Growing up in the foothills of North Carolina, I spent a good deal of time with my maternal grandparents. Like many rural southern families the week revolved around church and the extended family having Sunday dinner together. (For those that don’t know, dinner is lunch, and supper is dinner, and breakfast is any time you damn well feel like it.) My grandparents were, to say the least, colorful characters. They loved basketball, family, and God and I’m not sure in what order you would put that. Known to me as Granny and Pop, I adored them. They spoiled their grandchildren within their means, but mostly it was with food and indulgence. Pop had a horse a friend stabled and he taught me to ride. He, allegedly, was something of a star point guard in high school, but showboating in front of a scout and the outbreak of WWII left him unable to attend college. He was a known by everyone in town and half the people in the county, and when he died 20 years ago, we were at the funeral home nearly 6 hours shaking hands with all the people who came to pay their respects. By the time I knew him he was a mostly respectable pillar of the church. But he had some wild moments in his past and one of those stayed with him.
Behind his house was a large section of undeveloped woodland. Though at the back of their property was a little dirt road not much more than a trail. And the cool, inviting, mysterious woods always beckoned to us youngsters. We were allowed down the road, but there was a path that broke off to the east that we weren’t allowed down. All we knew was that The Camp was down there. And while my Pop was a king of indulgence, he had a stern side, and it was clear that violating that rule would earn us a hidin’. It was important and as the oldest and most adventurous of our passel of kids, I didn’t lead to any peremptory explorations, so the rule stayed inviolate.
On my 16th birthday, however, Pop told me to come take a walk with him in the woods, which weren’t unusual. We often did this. But this walk was different. We veered off toward The Camp. I had gained enough wisdom to realize this was a momentous occasion, so I simply followed his lead. By this time, he had a walking stick that he used for support, though he was grinnin’ his Cheshire cat grin, clearly looking forward to what was to come.
We got to The Camp and one might think it was a bit disappointing. A fire-pit, a bit of a clearing near the fast-flowing creek, and a couple of shed type buildings somewhat rudely constructed. Until I saw the Still. And then much became clear. The Camp was where Pop and all his friends had their rig for making ‘shine. After the war, he’d actually run ‘shine and was part of that whole culture, but by this time in the late 80’s he’d settled down and only made small batches for his friends and a few select others. The other three or four guys I’d seen him around with were there. Overalls and trucker hats were still de rigueur for these gents. I was allowed to wander around a bit before Pop started teaching me a few things.
Now, this is imparted wisdom from my grandfather and is still, sadly, illegal to do. So fortunately the statute of limitations is over and even if they weren’t, it’s a bit hard to put a dead man in prison, though ‘the got damn revenuers’ would likely try anyway. Good luck to them if they do. You may have notice where I get some of my, shall we say lack of respect, for the law from. I am merely carrying on the family tradition in that regard.
Preparing the Wash
He taught me that making delicious white lightning is an exercise in patience, as much art as science, and that it took, like many of the best things, time to do it right. Distilling is in some ways easier than brewing beer, and in other wars more difficult. Making the wash, at least the way Pop did it, was pretty bullet proof. Really, you just wanted to use the yeast to make as much alcohol as possible. Now, cause Pop believed that all moonshine was made from corn, you were also trying to get some of the unique fusels that can bring in the mix, but that happens naturally. Before you can get to fermenting though, you have to prep things. You needed your ingredients; corn, sugar, yeast, and water.
As I said, only corn will do, and Pop was a little cavalier about what kind of corn, as he got it from the feed store. He often went for a medium corn meal. I imagine had it been available he’d have used something like https://www.bobsredmill.com/shop/gluten-free/gluten-free-medium-cornmeal.html instead. I don’t know if this is optimal, I just know that’s what he did, and it worked for him. Anyway, once he had the cornmeal he’d pour in some hot water with the cornmeal and sugar and let that soak for a good day or two. It didn’t have to stay hot, simply needed to be hot to dissolve the sugar. Then let it soak.
Next you’d put the yeast in some warm water. He told me he liked to keep it in that below 90 degree range as that was the right temperature for the type yeast he liked to wake up. Yeast varies, of course, and some like higher or lower temperatures so I reckon that is going to depend. Either way, he’d mix things in and add the yeast-water to the corn/sugar mix. Then add even more warm water that had been heated over an open fire, then wrap things in old horse blankets and let it sit. And since this is here the fermentation was happening, it would bubble and fart up a storm. Like an old lady with a delicate stomach that had a spicy Mexican dish three meals running.
I imagine, had the home brewing craze been on grandpas radar he’d have loved those, fancy buckets with spigots on the bottom and airlocks on the top. But he’d jury-rigged some old trash can with a hole in the lid, a tube through the hole, and the other end of the hose beneath some water in a different, smaller bucket. And he’d let that go on for four or five days until it had stopped bubbling the water.
Cookin’
So that lesson done, it was the next week after dinner that we went out to learn to actually cook a batch of shine. Now, a modern moonshiner would probably enjoy one of those fancy bags to put the corn in at the beginning, the ones with the fine mesh that lets water through just fine. I suppose one would be able to simply lift the spent grains up and out and only really have to filter the dead yeast. But Pop and his friends were dealing with a different eras techniques. He had multiple filters set up and would use gravity to drain it through. We spent quite a bit of time pouring wash through cheesecloth of different grades until Pop was satisfied it was filtered well enough.
Once that was done, we poured it into the copper pot still he had that sat on top of an out door propane burner. He claimed they use to use wood-fueled fires, but I can’t imagine that shit. Anyway, here’s a picture of a copper pot still for making distilled water that’s similar in design if not size to the one my Pop used.
It’s actual distillation stage where the patience and artistry comes in. That liquid sitting in that pot is a mix of water, various alcohols and fusels. Now, all those things have different boiling points. Methanol burns off first. You do not want to drink methanol. It’ll give you headaches and tastes like shit in low doses. In higher doses it can cause blindness or even death. Bad stuff that Methanol. Interesting thing is though, the treatment for methanol poisoning? Ethyl alcohol. Apparently the receptors that grab methanol prefer our good friend ethyl and will let those molecules go in exchange. Anyway, methanol starts evaporating around 150 degrees. So now is the time where you get busier than a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest.
Once the pot was up to that temp, based on the gauge we had, Pop would start diverting water from the crick into the tun. This cools the copper down and encourages the evaporated liquid to condense and run down the coils and out of the tun. Pop would turn the heat back what he reckoned was a good piece; wanting it hot enough to continue heating the wash, but at a slower rate. As about the time the pot hits 165 degrees, the methanol would have condensed and starts flowing out. Some math comes in and there’s a formula for calculating exactly how much methanol will be produced per gallon of wash. And it’s somewhere between .6 and .8 ounces per gallon. Anyway, Pop was the type who tended to free-hand things and didn’t want to poison no one. So he just figured for every gallon in the pot, he’d take 2x as many ounces from the beginning and dispose of it. Usually it got just tossed in the ground.
So once he was done with the Methanol, there’d be a tapering off and the temp would climb to the 175-180 degree mark. That’s where the Ethanol is being produced and begins to flow. The heat would be turned down to the minimum at this point and the water should be flowing strong and cold over the condenser coils. Again, if Pop were running a formal operation here, he might have gotten this down to a more detailed amount, but he’d collect a quarter of the expected run or so and set that aside, usually based on testing with his finger in the drip and getting a taste. Those were the heads and they were higher proof, and didn’t taste as good.
But now..now we’re into the Heart of the run and it should be the good stuff. Sweet and cool right out of the tap and small little taste of heaven. The pot would be sitting in that 176-178 degree range and the ethyl produced is about 10% of the total amount of the wash. (So a 5 gallon wash would make about a gallon run, with a quart of heads, two quarts of heart, and a quart of tails.) This is what you want to keep. And while a half a gallon doesn’t sound like much, that’s 130 proof sweet corn liquor and will go a ways. Especially as grandpa ran much larger batches and he’d do several runs from spring into the summer. More on what can be done with this later.
As the temp hit 180 or so, the proof fell off, and again more fusels are included and he was into the tails of the run. Usually this’d be about the same amount as the heads and would be combined with it. If you ever had turpentine tasting moonshine, it’s usually some cheap asshole mixing his heads and tails into his heart run, or simply selling that outright. As you might imagine, Pop, being a man who took pride in his law breaking, had no truck with such foolishness.
Afterwards
The heads and tails would be poured into the next batch of wash to up the alcohol content and extend out the hearts. Of course, with his experience at it, he could tell by dabbing his finger where things needed to change, as I mentioned. And he showed me how that would work. Again, it’s part of the art of it doing it this way. He’d also take the heart run and divide it up. Some of it he’d mix with apple cider and put cinnamon sticks in. Others spring or summer fruit and a bit of juice or water and put up to let it age.
Once the pot had cooled, often he’d simply dump the leftover wash in there. The heads and tails would get mixed into the next batch as I mentioned. And the spent grains would be used by Granny to make some outstanding cornbread. Fresh blackberry preserves on some moonshine spent grain cornbread that had just come out of the oven in a iron skillet was a consistent treat growing up. And while both of them are gone now and have been for sometime, any time I find some moonshine and some cornbread, it is a chance to connect with them, and that wonderful spring twenty odd years ago.
nice post. Although plums make far superior moonshine, it is mostly about the process and the rituals
+1 Slivovitz
I think your Pop and my Grandpa would have gotten along very, very well.
Mine too.
I imagine so. One of the things I learned from him and from my dad was how to get along with people and find the way you can connect with them, even if they seem different.
I wonder if those of us that were lucky enough to experience the way people were in that generation look at the world today and think “WTF happened?”
Err, not all people
To the extent that I knew him my “pop” (we just called him Grandpa) was hillbilly from upstate new york who wasn’t very likable didn’t command respect in anyone, had no real wisdom to impart, possessed no actual knowledge about how the world worked, and to make matters worse was apparently a pedophile that molested several of my female cousins.
Everyone remembers people like your grandfathers because they were memorable but they always forget that there were plenty of low information NPC’s running around in the 30’s and 40’s as well
My paternal grandfather shot Grandma and then suicided himself. Grandma lived another 3 months but not very well. 2 years before I came along.
Yikes…that’s awful.
Awesome.
Loved every word, CA. My great grandfather made grappa, which is Dago moonshine. He’s long gone, but I’m glad I got to try some of his work. Like your gramps, he was an artist.
Thanks for this!
My great grandfather made some kind of Dago moonshine too, out of these small, bright red cherries. Everyone who was around in his day swears by it. He died years before I was born, so I never had the real thing, but my dad’s cousin recently tried his hand at approximating it. He made a batch in honor of my grandpa’s 90th birthday a few years back, so I got to knock a few back then. I thought it was quite good, but dad told me that it’s definitely not as good as his nonnu’s.
Anyway, CA, lovely post. I enjoyed reading it.
Huh. My grandpa was a pipe fitter down at the Hamm’s brewery and simply brought home cases and cases of Hamm’s.
Think bootleg hooch would be better than that.
One of my granddad grew up on his grandfather’s Tennessee farm during the Depression. He didn’t talk about it much, but once in a while we would catch a hint that some stuff went on in those hills.
I thought Deliverance was in Maine? Or was it Massachusetts?
Georgia
Lovely – thanks for sharing!
Wow! Very interesting. It’s always interesting/amazing to me how deep both practical skills AND anti-statism run in American society.
Predictable, but obligatory, song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
Great song.
I love that song. And I may have played it when using the pot still to distill water or essential oils.
Nice post!
Great article.
That said, I still wouldn’t want to try it. Every time I’ve had the commercially available stuff, I couldn’t stand it. Not that it was rough or harsh or anything. It just tasted like….canned corn. And I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why anyone would voluntarily want to taste that.
It aint shine if it’s legal. Also commercially produced corn liquor is all science with no art. The crazy hill folk who make real shine know their still and their product very very well. As CA mentioned they often doctor it up with fruit/spices/etc and make a pretty tasty product.
+1 Apple Pie
Great story. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome! Thanks.
*adds still to hermitage wish-list*
Dad’s dad was far too much a straight arrow to do anything like this. He was the kind of guy who found a twenty in a parking lot and gave it to the store manager for safekeeping. He and dad had a falling out when he wouldn’t help dad pad his finances to qualify for a mortgage.
Mom’s dad’s idea of rule-breaking was smoking with his emphysema mask in the other hand.
Having a still for a hermitage is a good idea. As mentioned it can be used to distill water, just takes higher temperatures. And that is practical and legal.
Thank you! You have an engaging voice. I keep saying that about the folks around here, but it’s true.
I agree. There are more and more good things to read here.
You’re very kind. Thank you.
If I had a heart, I imagine it’s cockles would be warm right now.
I AM NOT MISTING UP, YOU ARE MISTING UP!
I just took a swig of the shine in my fridge in your Pop’s honor. Good story, and good stuff!
My FIL and I have been talking for years about getting a still and making brandy from my homemade wine. He also wants to make whiskey.
Whiskey would be a hard one to make at home. Same as brewers make wort and yeast makes beer, distillers make booze, and barrels and age make whiskey. You’re talking about sitting on barrels for 3-7 years, and hoping you have enough to make a good blend at the end.
You can make some jack-leg whiskey by getting these: https://www.amazon.com/whiskey-sticks/s?k=whiskey+sticks
I’ve used them and they work surprisingly well. Also distilling some brandy from homemade wine sounds delicious.
Having had the rushed mess that was Cleveland Bourbon, I’ll be patient and purchase mine. But I have used the charred oak sticks and chips for aging home brew. The bottle of Cleveland Bourbon I had was one of the worst I’ve had in my life. I’ve had people (who’s tastes I trust) say they enjoyed it, but I’m not taking another chance on a bottle (QC is important people).
Yeah, I get you. And for commercial stuff, no, that wouldn’t cut it.
I did it as an interesting experiment, but I wouldn’t use those whiskey sticks for any thing I purchased. They also now have small 1 gallon barrels you can buy that aren’t terribly expensive. I don’t know that I’d have the patience to age it though.
Hell yeah, love me some brandy. Dangerous stuff.
Kirschwasser FTW!
There’s some good articles out there about using toasted oak chips to speed aging. They do it already commercially with white wines (I can’t remember, they may use raw wood chips in white wine). The chips give you way more surface area per alcohol, so it is not unreasonable to expect that you can get about a year’s barrel aging for every month of chips. Having tasted raw corn liquor and then the aged product six years later, it is not perfect, but not far off.
I’ve long wanted to have enough land to run a still without any nosy neighbors. But then again if there aren’t any revenuers to shoot at then really what’s the point? At the very least I need to go fishtailing around dirt roads like Bo Duke.
So I guess I really just want to LARP
It really doesn’t take much land. I know people who have run a still in a backyard in the middle of the city. Mostly you just need privacy. Esp. the smaller 8-10 gallon ones. Not to encourage being a scofflaw, but…
Is it still illegal if you’re only making it for your own consumption?
Yes. Yes it is.
That seems particularly silly
As mentioned downthread, essential oils and water are legal.
But no spirits. Freeze concentration is permitted at the present.
It is. It’s partly typical gov’t fear mongering. OMG you might get methanol and blind someone. Or blow it up. The dangers of that are somewhat exaggerated I think. But there’s lots of advocating of something like the home brewing stuff from the 70s.
Yes. Distilling any quantity of alcohol is illegal in the US, even if it is all for personal consumption. The ATF has, generally speaking, bigger fish to fry though than true home distillers, so there’s been something of a boom of it lately from what I understand.
Err… if you denature it immediately it is legal.
Umm, I have “heard” that you can run a 2 gallon pot still on your kitchen stove. You can even buy one with hose attachments for a chiller that will run right off your kitchen tap and drain into the sink. Make a 5 gallon batch, run 1.5 gallons at a time, pour your heads and tails back into the still with each batch, et voila, you get about 2 quarts of good product. So I have heard. I think I still have some around. Wood chip aged, barrel strength.
There may soon be a push to make home distilling legal, the equipment is being openly sold in homebrew stores more and more now.
Nice. I was told my someone in law enforcement that they generally don’t bother going after distillers unless you are making a lot and/or selling it. At least in Indiana.
It’s not just a state crime though, it’s also a Federal one. I know there were reports of some homebrew shops being asked by the Feds to provide names and information on anyone who purchased distilling equipment from them.
“I was ferrying all my distilling crap with all my guns across the lake, see…”
“That pot still? That’s for making essential oils for my wife.” There’s also how to guides on turning an old water heater into a still and the like. I would like for it to be completely legal. I think that’d be good.
There’s only a couple places where home distilling is legal. One is New Zealand.
Essential oils and water are legal in the US, at least when I did some research that was the information I got. Any spirits though are illegal in any quantity.
Essential oils and water are legal in most countries. But having a big pile of homebrewing equipment and a still would start getting questions asked, and I prefer to stay off the enforcement radar of the feds as much as possible.
New Zealand allows full distillation of spirits as well. I think there’s one or two other countries that allow it as well.
Even school spirit?
OT: beer question for the beerheads congregated in this thread.
My Belgian blonde ale is really cloudy and tastes a bit like kombucha. Infection?
When you say it tastes a bit like kombucha, can you pick out any specific notes? Tart, sour, funk, horse-blanket?
The cloudy part could just be sediment stirred up, it’s kegged up, right? Was this the first pint or was the keg recently moved?
Tart is the note coming across. It’s not an unpleasant flavor, just a bit overpowering. We’re not gonna dump the keg or anything.
The cloudiness persisted when I poured another glass 2 days later, and it’s so cloudy that I can only see vague diffused light through it when held up to a light source.
Relatedly, I need to go to one of the off-flavor classes at the local brewshop.
Tart sounds like an infection. Assuming there was no acidic malt in the mash (which would be really out of place for a blonde), and it was a pure yeast strain that was pitched. The cloudiness may be due to the infection, or something else entirely. If it’s carbed up and cold, there’s not much you can do to clarify it now or kill the infection. I’d stay away from bottling any of it (since you don’t know what may be lurking, nor what it can break down), and drink it relatively quickly. If you lower the temp, you’ll probably slow down any further flavor changes.
Tracking down where the infection came from can be tough, you may want to go through the steps with a smaller batch next to see if it also gets infected. I had two friends who brewed together that kept running into infection issues with the later carboys they filled out of the kettle (they had a 10-20 gallon system). The cause was tracked down to their plate chiller, which wasn’t a brewing one and wasn’t properly cleaned. I was told when they boiled the plate chiller in a kettle of PBW, the water turned black.
Tracking down where the infection came from can be tough, you may want to go through the steps with a smaller batch next to see if it also gets infected.
I have a sneaking suspicion I didn’t get all the coils of the chiller 100% clean.
Assuming a standard coil wort chiller, it doesn’t need to be 100% clean (thought the cleaner the better). That’s why you put it in the boil with about 20 minutes to go. It’ll be sterilized then.
Ah, i had it sitting in starsan during the boil. That’s probably at least part of the issue.
Anyway, the nice thing about the keg is I don’t have to wait very long to do the next batch.
I do need to get a kegerator instead of relying on the cold basement to keep it chilled, though.
Says is a tart NEIPA, sell them for $10/pint and call it a win. Haze is all the rage these days.
Great article, CA ! It wasn’t the ‘shine making that warmed me up but the relationship you had with your grandfather. The world some of us live in didn’t allow that opportunity. I didn’t see my grand children very often and now they are grown up and off on their own. I took (take) them fishing and wish they would visit more often but we don’t always get what we’d like. The days are getting shorter and fewer. Your experience is a good lesson for all.
Thank you. Growing up we were really close to the entire extended family. I didn’t realize til much later how much of an honor and good fortune that was. Both my grandparents passed away when I was in my 20s. I broke a speed record getting home from Chapel Hill when he went into the hospital and made it in time to be there with him at the last, same for granny. I still miss them enormously. I hope your grand kids cherish the time they do get with you.
Coincidentally, mom and dad are out today with my niece and nephew. It’s the first time they’ve spent more than a few minutes together in probably fifteen years. Certainly the most amiable visit since the divorce. (I hope.)
This is what keeps me in Virginia despite this state rapidly going full prog. I spent 12 years living far from my family and I don’t want to do that anymore. I’m glad my parents get to spend lots of time with their grandkids and I cherish our Sunday dinners.
We’re gonna end up back in TX for exactly this reason. 2/3 of my wife’s family lives in a 25 mile radius of north Dallas, and that weighs heavily against us staying here in VA. That and she refuses to learn to drive in the snow.
Neither of my grandpas were around for much of my life, so I didn’t have much of a relationship with them.
One of the best things in my life is the fact that my boys have a great relationship with my father. The trips we take hunting together are some of the best things ever. Watching the Old Guy impart wisdom to the Punk Kids is great.
Even if sometimes the only thing those two camps agree on is that I’m an idiot.
*To this day, I’m sure both boys would tell you that one of their favorite memories of those trips is when they were 13 and Grandpa let them drive his truck around some field in North Dakota by themselves.
“The reason that grandparents and grandchildren get along so well is that they have a common enemy”
The wisdom of ages…
My paternal gramps dropped dead at 60, when I was 7. I remember him only vaguely, but I do remember his Chesterfields. He was a really nice guy who had a really shitty early life.
My maternal gramps lived nearby and we were very, very close. He taught me a lot. When I was 12 or so, I sorted parts in his warehouse (they even let me unload trucks with the forklift), took care of his house and spent many hours with him. He mixed me my first Manhattan and gave me a beautiful shotgun because he stopped hunting. I lost him in 1998 and miss him every day. His old briefcase sits by my desk and is a good reminder to take care of business, just like he did.
Good article CA! When I lived in NC I came across a still while deer hunting deep in some swampy land. I just cleared the area and kept a mental fence around the area on subsequent hunts. It is good to know that your grandfather’s spirit lives on.
My great grandfather immigrated from Calabria and made wine and grappa until shortly before he died. Growing up I had his well watered wine during dinner when we would visit. I didn’t think anything of it when we would bring gallon jugs of it home with us. It wasn’t until well after he was gone that I heard from others that what we called “Dago red” was actually very highly regarded wine. It sounds like his ‘shine was equally respected.
I don’t doubt it. There’s plenty of them still operating there. Most are likely to be guarded if they spot someone they don’t know, but yeah, depending on the size of the operation, probably best to simply stay away.
And that wine sounds delicious. Homemade wine can be amazing.
My grandfather still drinks wine that’s half wine and half water because that’s what they did growing up with his father’s homemade wine. There’s no point to it now – they did it because the homemade stuff was so strong, but he just has had the lifelong habit.
Thanks, CA, excellent read!
Nice article CA. I enjoyed it.
Nice article CA.
IAm I the only one who thought Pops was going to show CA his rope set up?
LOL nope
I think that is a hobby Pop might not have approved of. Though, one never knows.
I thought it was going to be a high-end call girl to teach him how to be a man, but along the same lines.
Dear Penthouse,
I never thought this could happen to me….
Good stuff. Thank you.
My grandfather was a shiner as well. Never met the man though. He died from injuries sustained in a coal mine collapse.
My father has pictures of him as his kin sitting on their mules in front of the still with weapons drawn.
and his kin
That sounds like a bad-ass picture.
Sorry, can’t hold off, even if one is a site author…
*narrows gaze*
I was waiting… 🙂
Your grandfather was Popcorn? *wide eyes*
I can’t tell how much of the show Moonshiners is fake. I suspect about 80%.
Great article, CA.
I think that show is about 95% fake. I think some of the folks on it are genuine, but my understanding is they were distilling water just in case and the majority of it was staged.
You just summed up all “reality” television.
Yup. They filmed an episode of My Name is Earl in my shop, once. Paid me really well.
In the story line, the OCC guys pretended my shop was theirs and had a minor argument.
It took them all day and a crew of around 100 people, and the actual air time was a blink of the eye.
Anyways the “fight” was exactly like every other “fight” they ever had on their own show.
Funny thing that happened. The Producer asked me what the difference between my builds and the OCC builds. I told him that the OCC builds all seemed to have a theme, where mine all had budgets. He laughed like he meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5yZkYS5oak
Fun fact- I met Paul Teutul once in the Stewart airport in Newburgh, NY while waiting on my flight home. Aside from being a pretty big dude, he seemed genuinely nice, and entertained everyone’s requests for selfies and autographs.
They still kick around the area. I think Paul jr. has a shop in Montgomery, though much smaller than the Newburgh one.
A friend of mine and his brothers film commercials and short films. Someone did a pilot of a reality show based on them. My friend was happy it never went anywhere, because it was exhausting filming the reality show and then having to do their actual work at night. They don’t just follow you around with cameras, they make you re-do scenes and they want to pump up the drama. “Reality” shows are just as scripted as anything else on TV.
+1 Gold Rush Alaska
A friend of mines sister was on House Hunters. The house she eventually selected was the one she had bought 6 months previously.
When she “moved in” it was with furniture the show rented. She was offered to buy any of the pieces at a discount.
When she “moved in” it was with furniture the show rented.
How did that work? Move everything of theirs out and move all the designer stuff in?
Yes. Then she didnt buy anything so they moved her stuff back.
I can’t imagine the paycheck for that show is all that lucrative.
I’m going blind and feeling warm inside just reading this.
Sounds like you may be suffering from methanol poisoning. Quick, drink this shot of vodka!
Are your palms hairy, too?
I dunno, I can’t see them.
Hey OMWC, now that you’re in Phoenix, might you be attending an event at the Arizona Biltmore over the next few days? I will be there, if you are coming perhaps we can meet. You can email me at C dot Anacreon at gmail dot com. Thanks!
You’re going to Phoenix to celebrate the annual “we don’t do daylight savings time” party? Make sure to take some time to shoot out in the Tonto National Forest or BLM land as well.
You have mail.
OT: In other news, Krugabe is still a piece of shit hack “economist” who contributes nothing of value. Last year it was “only whites can be racist”, now here we are at “only conservatives can be racist”.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/44358/leftist-economist-krugman-excuses-dems-anti-hank-berrien
Christ, what an asshole.
He’s a guy who cashes checks feeding his readers’ pieties back at them. Has he said anything in the past twenty years that is either a) controversial to his audience, or b) interesting to his critics? It seems like he’s engineered intellectual pandering to assembly line perfection, like a Stephen Colbert without the clown nose on mode.
Yeah, pretty much. The most controversial thing he’s done recently was to (tepidly) come out against Modern Monetary Theory. But that’s really only controversial if you’re a leftist
An asshole indeed. But he’s a great example of what happens when you put your political party above all, even your own self interest and safety.
Putting his political party above even his own chosen career and educational background. There’s never any real economics going into his screeds, and he’s one of the most famous economists in the world right now!
I had a Keynesian Cambridge educated professor who hated Krugman with a passion. One of the major mortal sins in the eyes of many economists is when you sell out to the political establishment.
Krugman’s work on trade theory back when actually was an economist was actually pretty interesting. It addressed the question of why, in a world with comparative advantage, countries would import and export the same products to one another (it’s because the products aren’t perfect substitutes). But, the stuff he’s writing for the Times now is just garbage.
And speaking of distilling, has anyone seen Gbob around? I don’t think I’ve seen a post from him in quite some time.
Several months ago he was trying to lead the second group of RPGers. Then there was radio silence for a week or so then he said he got busy with something but would things together. Then nothing again.
I assume he got super busy
I think he’s doing a lot of podcasting.
How’s the first group or RPGers doing?
Was that us? We had a ton of fun but cut it a session short because we all got busy and we’re having a hard time finding a mutually agreeable meeting date/time.
OT: Michael Cohen wants Trump to pay his legal fees: Michael Cohen sues Trump Organization for breach of contract related to payment of his legal fees
After he broke client confidentiality. And he wants a pardon….though to be fair his ‘cooperation’ blew up the whole Russia collusion nonsense.
Came here to say that. I don’t know where he stands on violating client confidentiality. I’m not sure he or the prosecutors want that looked at too closely.
His violation of attorney-client privilege is not a criminal act in any jurisdiction I’m aware of. However, it is a quick ticket to disbarment. That didn’t matter to him because his multiple felony convictions virtually assured his disbarment.
If somehow there were actual impeachment proceedings and the Dems called Cohen as a witness then it gets interesting. In California (which doesn’t apply here) the privilege is held by the client and the attorney has a duty to assert it. Cohen clearly won’t but Trump can on his own or using new lawyers. If that rule applies during an impeachment proceeding it may not be admissible.
A source close to the Trump Organization called the lawsuit “laughable” on Thursday and went on to add “I guess the GoFundMe page didn’t work out so well.”
This is the best timeline.
He’s no Christine Blasely.
Great story, Creosote. Thank you.
Great article
Also Go UNC!
Prepare yourself to be shocked!
The real minimum wage equals zero.
At least in 8 European countries.(Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Switzerland) Germany introduced the minimum wage in 2014.
And Cyprus too evidently.
“We’re gonna do x.”
“Don’t do x because y will happen.”
“You’re just a bunch of haters.”
*y happens*
“Well this just proves our point about the need for x.”
oh great. so i can expect a mass of progs staging a sit-in at WFs now?
You know it is funny that no one calls this what it is.
They are not cutting shifts, they are cutting workers, they are just doing it in a fractional way so that people remain employed. The stores are basically going from say 27 people actively working at one time down to 24 people working at one time so that each worker is now expected to do the work that 1.11 workers used to do
And when it doesn’t work, is that when they raise all prices by 11%?
No that comes after the government passes a law to prevent under staffing in the wake of a minimum wage increase and just before the price fixing law. Then there is a few more steps before you get to the law where it is illegal to even go out of business
Are you suggesting that to a business labor is an expense and that it needs to work toward holding that steady or decrease it in order to continue to grow?
growth and profits are #s 6 and 7 on a business’s list of priorities.
this weeks econtalk was on seattle min wage.
same result there. The big losers are low wage workers of the future, who cant get hired without experience.
Good read, thanks CA!
Great story. It’s always interesting getting those types of tidbits from the days of yore.
Untertitten!
http://archive.is/l5KDa
JA!
your story gives me that sad nostalgic feeling as i recall my great uncle Cookie who was missing several fingers from bricklaying and died miserably from oropharyngeal cancer owed to a life of chawing.
Who would’ve thought!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/health/opioids-pain-cdc-guidelines.html
heroin use skyrockets.
El Oh El.
http://www.michellesmirror.com/2019/03/the-making-of-limousine-liberal-12-step.html#.XIF3W_ZFxPY
OT random thought in my head:
Roberts is going to fuck conservatives on abortion (June Medical) and guns (New York State Pistol and Rifle) in the interest of “maintaining the integrity of the institution”.
you have been forewarned. and Ginsburg can’t die soon enough.
It’s funny how lefty justices never “evolve” on the Court.
After Zerocare, I became convinced they have some kind of dirt on Roberts.
I used to think that, but now I think he is just more liberal and interested in cocktail parties. He doesn’t want to rock the boat too much
He’s very, very concerned with how editorial page writers view the Supreme Court. Mustn’t rock the boat, you see….
Le Monde wrote “Thank you Justice Roberts” in English in its editorial the day after the Obamacare decision.
Chief Justice Penaltax is going to have some new and interesting monikers.
I’m not betting against that.
No argument here. He obviously puts Court before country or Constitution.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/who_is_paying_for_sandy_o.html
i’m going with the alternate theory that her Brooklyn constituents are mostly NPCs and she out-OrangeManBad’d the incumbent. and now that her stupidity is front stage, she’ll be primaried next go around.
That is a lot of accusation thrown about with what seemed like zero backing it up.
I’m with Raston on the how-it-happened theory.
Yeah, #metoo. Fits with my mental map of how Justin Trudeau managed to get into the PMO.
Cool story. Thanks for sharing.
Somewhat related… PBR is partnering with New Holland to release an unaged whiskey. From the article, New Holland went to Pabst to distribute Dragon’s Milk, and pitched this idea. I’ve liked the spirits from New Holland distillery (especially the Beer Aged Bourbon), so this may be interesting.
Interesting. I dunno about buying it though.
I’ve gotten on an aged rub kick of late and have found it truly delicious.
er *rum.
I was curious, but wasn’t going to question. 🙂
For me it’ll depend on the price point, If it’s under $25 a bottle, I’ll probably take a flier on it.
Probably a wise decision. And yeah, I may do the same as a novelty. I mean, if you can’t waste money on boozes…
I’ve got one more bottle of New Holland’s Hatter Royale stashed away. It was a dry hopped bourbon. They used so many hops, the bourbon has a pale green color to it. It’s good for about one pour before the hops take on too much of a medicinal note, but it’s a great one pour bourbon. The Beer Aged Bourbon is finished in the barrels they use to age the Dragon’s Milk, so it pulls a bit of malt and roast out from that, making a really good bourbon.
aged rub
Is that where you leave your hand in a bowl of water until it gets all wrinkly?
Well. Shit. thanks for spoilering my next column!
Great bit of family history. Thank you for sharing this.