We all count the time until we can retire, cut the cord, turn out the lights or whatever we call the end of a career. We think about it, make some non-binding plans and dream, dream, ’til we finally fall to sleep. Then morning comes with a WTF? How am I gonna do it? Where am I gonna do it? Will I be able to do it? When? All these unanswered questions.
Well, maybe for some its too early to even think about such long distance planning but those of you (I’m excluding myself) in your mid-40s, 50s, and 60s will be celebrating your birthday at a restaurant and its gonna be a big 5-0 or 6-0 birthday party and damn, what happened? That was quick.
We’ve had discussions here about what we want to do at retirement but “Awh, its too early to worry about that” That’s not a helpful attitude so I’m here to help or not. First, answer the questions in the first paragraph. Got that? You’ll be asking yourself these same questions again and again and perhaps the answers will change but that’s OK too.
When do I want to retire? When can I retire? Where do I want to retire?
I decided about my 45th birthday that I wanted out at 55. I started looking towards that day and what I had to do to make it happen. Where? I had grown up in the woods of Minnesota, with the fishing/hunting and liked being outdoors, I still had a few friends there, my folks were buried nearby and a brother lived about 30 miles away so that’s where I thought I wanted to be. I owned a house in Texas but really no friends other than those I worked with and the Texas heat was not something that I enjoyed. Nothing permanent was holding me in Texas.
I was working in the Midwest, living in the Twin Cities and spending time reading the country newspapers and visiting my brother when I could. I found some property that I liked, made a low ball offer that was rejected and kept looking. Found a 40 acre spot, with a terribly run down small house and a yard full of junk that had been on the market for a couple years. Price was high but evaluating the negatives I made an offer of about 1/3 the asking price, keeping in mind those negatives. The owner countered with an offer of about ½, I suggested we split the difference, he bumped me a little and we made a deal.
I cleaned up everything that was burnable, old buildings/sheds/fences and clothes. I spent the winter hauling van load after van load of trash, mostly metal scraps, every week end for 6 months or more. By spring the yard was cleaned and time to tackle the house. The previous owner was a Copenhagen chewing bachelor and his habits were visible. The house was a kit, 18 X 26, costing 1200 dollars plus delivery and was about 30 years old. The sidewalls were 6’4” and I was 6’5” at the time. The roof was sagging badly, hadn’t been painted since the first time 30 years early and needed a total remodel and upgrade. I kept telling Mrs Fourscore that it was beautiful, she kept checking the yellow pages for psychiatric help.
Anyway, I got my best friend to help me, we tore the roof off, raised the walls 20” and put new trusses and plywood on. I spent the rest of the weekend shingling and I was on my way. I took a week’s vacation a few weeks later, put on siding on the newly raised walls, new windows, sliding glass door and lastly primed the outside.
I called my boss that Sunday night, he said, “Good, ’cause I have reservations for tomorrow for you to go to Berkeley, CA, we just bought a store and you ( meaning me) need to complete the deal and stay as long as necessary.” I was there for 5 weeks, remodeling, hiring, training. Fortunately after a couple weeks a good manager arrived.
I then spent about 4-5 months’ worth of week ends gutting and remodeling the inside of the cabin, as we called it . My wife took back some of her doubts of my skills when she stayed in there for the first time and the shower worked and the lights turned on when she threw the switch.
So now, we have a small place to live on weekends, modern, clean and warm but not very big. And still 7-8 years away from the magic 55 year mark. For now, though, a place to use for hunting/fishing and relaxing. Still a few years from retiring at this point though. It was great, nearly every week end and vacations would find me at the cabin, relaxing. Deer season came and I had a super hunting shack with all the amenities.
Then the years rolled on and I explained to my wife that we should build our retirement home, our property was actually in 2 parcels, easy peasey to use the second parcel. It had been an old homestead with a big field and so I chose a spot near the back edge of the field. She was not super excited but after my whining and crying she finally gave in. So I started, two years before the date set for retirement.
I won’t go into detail about the permitting but it wasn’t fun, had to be rezoned, etc. The good part was at that time there was no requirements for inspections other than an electrical. Had to have a well and septic system permitted. I contracted the basement, I had drawn my plan on graft paper, no blue prints since I was going to be flexible.
The missus and I had agreed on 3 premises or requirements.
- It had to be warm (i.e. well insulated)
- The kitchen had to face the east, for harmony with Asian customs
- Every room had to have a window, including the basement.
I contracted the basement block work, went a course higher (13 rather than the usual 12) because I was a pretty tall guy at the time and I wanted all the duct work under the basement ceiling. At that point I started nailing stuff together, every week end, leave work early and put 2 long days in over the weekend. That went on for two years, slowly, slowly a house took shape. I always took my tools with me but left the building supplies and fortunately had no theft.
I pretty much did everything, I contracted the roof/shingles and steel siding but learned as I went for the rest. Retirement day came, I was 55, we were ready but there were still some finishing to do inside but at least we could live there and I was closer to my project. For a couple weeks dishes were washed in the bathtub, cooking was done on a hot plate and counter top oven. Master bath was finished, carpeting was not yet installed and the basement beckoned
I finished out the basement and its sort of a man cave. I had planned on a pool table but that space got filled with an extra refrig and freezer and now the computer. Probably took another year to wind up everything, had to build a garage and then another one.
I made some mistakes that I wished I hadn’t made but not too many. Some things were done twice, some things never have been done.
Besides the what and where of retirement comes the how. In any case, my opinion is that one must have one’s retirement home paid for before retirement, unless you are fortunate to have a good income. House payments, along with taxes/insurance and maintenance will eat up a lot of most people’s monthly retirement income. On the other hand, there are options available to enjoy without the burden of worrying about your abode.
My wife and I are rather frugal but she does like to travel. Living in the country we don’t need a lot of ‘nice’ clothes. I got by for several years wearing out the clothes I had worked in and mostly wear jeans now. We don’t spend a lot of money at restaurants, maybe a couple lunches a month while we’re shopping. We have dinner out with friends for birthdays and anniversaries but all in all mostly we eat at home. A big garden in the summer provides therapy and fresh food. Mrs Fourscore cans and freezes a few things. We enjoy fresh fish but I can’t get her to eat venison, too bad, ’cause she can really cook. More for me is all I can say.
Our friends are similar, old, reclusive and comfortable being left alone. We help one another, drink a little coffee and socialize fairly often, more so in nice weather as opposed to winter. It was an easier transition for us because we moved back to where I had grown up and knew a few of the families. Trying to retire in an unfamiliar rural area would have been more difficult as folks tend to leave one another alone unless there is a commonality such as a church or club. We have great neighbors, in that no one bothers anyone.
A couple of my neighbors shoot a lot. If I don’t hear them shooting I begin to worry that something has happened.
There has been a lot of Glib discussion about retirement. If you have your place picked out and can negotiate a good bargain think about starting your new life. If it happens to have an abandoned old house perhaps the foundation can still be used, or the well, etc. Don’t worry about the grown up brush, 2 weekends and a fire will solve a lot of problems. All that junk on the outside has kept prospective buyers away and can be used to your advantage.
10 years pass quickly. We’ve owned this property 33 years now, been retired 27. We had to say good bye to a lot of friends over the years but way better to have had them along the way than have had to live somewhere else with out them.
The first ten years, 55 to 65, we were pretty much the same, physically. Then some tasks began to take longer, stuff got heavier, places got farther away. If you wait too long you may not be able to do those things you had planned to do when you retired. Good luck to all.
Make sure you have something to go to when you retire.
And even if you do, the first six months is weird. But by the second year, you will be wondering how you had time to work.
Also make sure it has good fung shui.
I always thought “feng shui” was Chinese for “big scam”.
Exactly
I know a few people who had that problem, one of them went back to work. I have plenty of hobbies so I had no trouble filling my time with something besides work, although I did some part-time consulting for the first few years.
No matter how old you are, start saving money now. Cash money, invested in real investments – not your house. Money is the hard outer bound on your retirement; it will define your options. And what you want will change; be careful about committing to a Place too early.
This. I put a bunch away in my 20s, but my two business ventures meant my 30-45 time frame didn’t have a huge amount put away. I am building fast now, but I ain’t gonna be retiring at 55. Right now my spreadsheet (with some pretty conservative estimates) says 64 and 8 months.
There are so many things that affect that though. I have a bunch of scenarios, so somewhere between 62 and 67 is about right. And at age 49 with an autistic 3 year old throws a bunch of wrenches into the gears.
Speaking of the latter, my daughter is coming up on 1 year of ABA therapy. I am planning an article on it, just because I find it interesting. I know others on here have dealt with this kind of thing longer than me, so probably know more, but I was going to describe the first year. I am waiting for them to finish her 1 year VB-MAPP update before I do the article.
Sneak preview: results have been amazing.
That’s great to hear about your little girl, rob.
The she-spawn wasn’t considered autistic, but on the spectrum with exec function and oppositional defiance disorders. It wasn’t an easy task raising her. *Very* prone to sudden outbursts and was juuuust different enough for the other kids to notice. She developed some serious “fuck off” vibes as a defense mechanism against the rejection.
She’s 20 now and the only thing that really helped was time. She needed to physically develop out of the problems she had; they’re just shadows now. Still, she’s never had a boyfriend (or any other kind) and seems content with short-term friendships with like-minded co-workers and invisible Internet friends on a Dischord server devoted to Gorillaz fandom. She’s met a few in meat space and really hit it off with a couple.
Still, I worry about her and her future. I’m sure she’ll eventually meet someone that she’ll let the defenses down for, but I’m not sure how much of that is just lacking confidence in herself or lacking the actual skills for a serious relationship. I didn’t really develop mine until recently, solidly in my 50’s. Now, I’m playing catch-up with the not-wife-unit.
The Boy is still amazingly normal and I’m so relieved. He missed all the genetic shit that got dumped on his sister.
Since I moved out of the house 3 years ago, I only see them a few times a week now, but we’re still close, if not closer. I do miss them when I don’t see them, but they’re both young adults now and developing new lives, albeit slowly. But, it’s nice to know that they still need the old man around.
And since I’m a certified idiot, I’m now the step-dad (to be) to not-wife-unit’s kids, 8 and 11 years old. That wasn’t in the plans at all at my age, but they love the hell out of me and are glad to have a man in the house again. They’re pretty cool, but it’s hard to love them like your own. I muddle along and just try to not be an asshole, like I was to my kids (now there’s some serious guilt). And I got their mom to stop yelling so much, particularly at the girl, that things have gotten better in the house. I’ll take the wins where I can get them.
Now, if I can just get the wife-unit to finish the fucking divorce…..
i have some cash but it is not invested in anything…
You’re investing in the government
Ouch
You’re by far the coolest old dude I know.
Seconded
Thirded, and this was an inspirational article. My retirement outlook is not rosy, and I’m not getting any younger. I’d like to wind up out in the country, somewhere mostly warm but not too far from stuff. The big question is whether I go country-coastal or country-mountains. I’ll likely stay on the east coast so I can have a little of both.
I’m looking at land about 2-3 hours drive from NYC and Philadelphia. In the mountains while 10-20 min from small cities with stuff to do.
There are a lot of options near the Poconos in PA and I imagine similar locations in VA and the Carolinas.
Heh. OK, my question was answered.
I’m partial to the endless mountains over the poconos. Less to do, but fewer people in general, and far fewer New York and New Jersey expats specifically. But I’m a misanthrope.
I’m looking in your home area (Poconos reference was for the out of staters). Susquehanna County in particular.
The area’s around Montrose are nice, and easy access to 81. My parents bought their retirement home out on a private lake a few miles south of Montrose, and they love it. Fair warning, as you start going west of Montrose the IQ level starts dropping and the chromosome count rises. By the time you get to Bradford county you can constantly hear out of tune banjos if you stop and listen.
I’m aware. I was born and raised nearby..
PA’s nice, but too cold for me. And for some reason it’s too…weird. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I’m from Maryland and it’s too similar, so it just seems like Maryland but slightly off. Like walking into your house and seeing one piece of furniture you don’t recognize.
I’ll likely try for North Cacky. We’ve got some friends who are moving out to the coast, and it’s close enough to MD that we can come up and see family without too much trouble. I could do Tennessee in a heartbeat but the wife won’t do it; same with Texas. I’d like to be far enough out that I don’t run into people unless I want to, especially if I can shoot guns on my property without people freaking out, but close enough that I can get to a decent-size town in a half hour. Bonus points if I can drive easily to a city I like, such as Savannah, maybe New Orleans, Virginia Beach.
Weird to Glib?? I’m going to have to reassess my life choices.
Weird to a Glib.
That weirdness is Pennsylvania’s defense mechanism. It’s how we’ve kept ourselves from being overrun by people from New Jersey, New York, and Maryland. Just stay out of the center of the state. Even other pennsylvanians find the center disconcerting.
It’s all mine fires and cousin brides.
I got 60 acres with a gas lease I’ll sell ya!
Fourthed. (Ifeel the shame…)
This a very timely article Fourscore, thank you for showing us your approach. I’m in my late 40’s and the wife and I are looking for the same type of country home that might be our weekend place at first then transfer to a retirement home.
We are close to paying off our primary home and are looking to buy ~40 acres in the country to put a house and barn/garage on. We have a good friend interested in sharing the land purchase to do the same. So we might get twice the land to ensure isolation.
Good luck. Looking at rural Penn? We’ve been living in a modest condo for the past 10 years and have been squirreling away cash and investing in safe bets for the past 15. The plan is to retire around 60ish and move to … Thailand? Indonesia? Taiwan? Hard to say right now given how those areas could change over the next 10-15 years. We’ve set up our investments so that we’ll be liquid and able to get out of Tokyo relatively easily.
I think you mentioned that your wife’s English skill is right in line with Japan’s nationwide average.
Is she OK living somewhere where she might not be able to communicate well?
The wife’s English is much better than average. She’ll be fine.
So able to say more than “this is a pen”?
I still scratch my head why that particular phrase was used in lots of English learning material.
Naturally, it was one of the first things I learned to say in Japanese.
But it’s actually a fine point felt-tipped marker.
マジックインキ
(majikku inki)
This is a pen..is?
当たり! (Atari)
Very similar to our approach. A lot of options open up when you have your home paid for.
I couldn’t be more excited to have our house paid for. 13 years unless earlier payments start being applied.
I got in my house in TX before the inflation really started in the ’70s. I was paying 8 1/2% interest, then the inflation came, my first payments I was only putting $20 a month on the principal, as I got my adjusted pay raises I kept raising my payments, with the extra going on the principal, an extra $80 and I was making 5 payments a month. After a few years I asked the bank if I could pay off the last few thousand. What a great feeling that was ! 8 years in and I was a real homeowner (minus the government’s interpretation).
We have been paying extra on a 15 year mortgage. It helps that we went with a older house that needed work in a good but not fancy area. I can not believe what some of my coworkers are buying. 2-3X the cost of my home, just to have new construction in one of the “new” hot developments.
That was a good read. Thank you. I had planned on retiring at 52. Between my wife’s investments and my pension, we would be okay over the long run. My knees had other ideas and I was pretty much forced to retire out on disability at 48. At a point where many have hit their stride, I was done after 30 years. On the plus side, it got us out of California. It’s been seven years and a lifetime since then.
Sooner retired is better than later, especially when all the bases are reasonably well covered. Walk slowly, smell the roses, Spud.
very nice except the getting old part…
\When do I want to retire? When can I retire? Where do I want to retire?
tomorrow… never… I dunno Teneriffe or something
You can push back on the calendar but it doesn’t seem to change too much.
I am 35 and I wonder where the years went… I am not at all at peace with the concept of aging (except for scotch) although it is irrelevant in the end
Nice article to read after diving into that crazy’s writings. Thanks Fourscore.
Now, to figure out why my house doesn’t have water. I’m figuring my pump is flooded. BAH.
Update on my water situation: Over a foot of water by the outside door of the basement, have to pump that out before I can even get in to see the rest. I have a high volume pump, but someone else borrowed it, they’re bringing it over.
pumping has commenced. Over a foot accross the entire basement to pump out before I can even get to the water pump. yay.
Good luck! That sounds fairly awful!
Upside is it’s a dirt basement, nothing much to ruin that way. Downside the furnace, water pump and water heater are down there. Last time it flooded only the water pump was damaged, hoping that’s the worst case now.
Thanks for the article, Fourscore! While country living isn’t for me, it’s still pretty cool to have a relaxing and quiet place to go to after being in the workforce for 30-40 years.
My wife and I are both in our early 30’s and we’ve discussed at length when we want to retire and also how will we try to save up for our retirement. I saw members of my family who spent like there was no tomorrow, who are now in their early 60’s with nothing saved up for their retirement and now are faced with the prospect of working like a mule into their 60’s due to a lack of foresight .
It scares the shit out of me and made me more mindful about my finances.
We’ve been abandoned by SP and OMWC and it’s like you people don’t even care. Now it’s just Brett and Swiss.
You’re back!
They are finishing up a move and getting adjusted to new jobs. I expect to see OMWC back soon, and SP to follow as she gets settled.
Wait, what?
*pushes OMWC back into the box*
Nothing to see here.
Better Brett and Swiss than Sweat and Bris.
I’m pondering some of these things on my 44th birthday. My wife are in the ‘batting ideas around’ stage of trying to figure out where and when exactly beyond “as soon as possible”. I want out of Portland for sure, and most likely out of Oregon all together, but there’s some contention there. We’re closer than we expected though, and could likely make it happen in the next five years as our timeline was moved up in a positive way recently.
Thanks for the article and inspiration.
“Freedom 55” looks like more of the same until I just peter out… Wifey has a good job and pension and we do own our home. I’m still pretty spry at 54 but I can’t do the things that I used to be able to do.
It doesn’t get any easier but the effort is well worth the results. My problem mostly is the knees don’t work as well as they used to.
I’ll be gone for a couple hours but I’ll be back to answer any questions anyone has. Thanks.
I want you to be my Dad, Fourscore.
You’re on, Festus, but I’m telling you now that getting adjusted to your new brother and sister is gonna take some time.
Did you have lots of prior construction experience? I’m fairly handy; I’ve odne various home improvement projects like small wiring, putting up sheetrock, laying hardwoods, installing tile, etc. But I don’t know shit about plumbing.
Hi CA, here’s the incentive that gave me hope. My skills were about the same as most others, pretty limited. At my 25th high school reunion I was talking to a classmate that had built his own house in AZ. He said, “If I can do it, you can do it”. I remembered Jim from wood shop in high school and started thinking, “ya know, Jim’s right”. He was a pretty average guy that didn’t make the Honor Roll.
I did have an electronic background so the wiring part was time consuming but not real challenging. Plumbing was just sort of intuitive but I had a contractor friend to bounce ideas off. Also, now is the time to steal ideas, every time you visit a friend make a mental note of those things you like about his house. A restaurant? Check the tile work. Home Depot, walk around and see the different things that you think should be incorporated.
I was the proverbial “grasshopper” in my youth and I’ll die with a broom in my hand.
#metoo
+ No progeny. It’ll be like I never existed at all.
Does that bother you? My dad told me a man wants a son to carry on his name and his genes. He always said it in such a wistful tone of voice (he has two sons, so I don’t know what the problem was).
I donno, are your brothers unworthy of carrying his name?
It was more of a “leave something of myself behind so people know I existed” sort of thing, not so much of a worthy to carry on the name thing.
I never knew that all this time you were Chinese.
I was so glad when my son was born. /shitlord
I’m not Festus but…
This is something I’ve had to make my peace with. My wife and I weren’t able to have to kids. I have no single thing, or even combination of things in my life that was more disappointing or crushing than that discovery. We tried fertility treatments right up to the point of ‘well, we can do some stuff, but basically we’ll be turning her womb into a clown car if it works”. Adoption wasn’t right for us. While it’s allowed us lots of freedom to do some thing we wouldn’t have done otherwise, I think it’s a burden we both carry on our shoulders that I don’t know can ever be relieved, only ameliorated.
When we first found out, I was quite vicious with friends who did have kids that would express the normal parental bitching. I’ve learned to tone that back and have had several friends tell me that when they feel like they are at the limit with their kids, thinking about my situation helps them pull it back together.
What I’ve come to help ease that yoke is that I have touched other people, tried to make a positive influence on family and friends and their kids as much as I can with what I have. It’s the best I can do with the cards I have. Maybe that’s enough.
Oh, that bites. I’m so sorry.
My kids give me fits. But I think back to the time I was in despair because I thought I would never get married and have kids, and I wanted that so much.
So when they’re on my last nerve, I remember, “You got what you wanted.”
Maybe I do hate my house and we’re strapped because of it, but I DO have a wonderful husband and good kids, so I have the LIFE I wanted.
I never wanted kids until I did. I was happy to be a Step-father to some pretty awesome children (not for the squeamish) but The paternal instinct hit pretty hard about 15 years ago when my Wife’s children started having babies of their own. Just call me old dusty balls…
I guess I’m lucky that I couldn’t care less about that.
I used to get some grief from the parents about not having kids, but not that much. Having a younger sister get pregnant at 15 probably helped with that.
I was happy that my mom finally got to dote on my older brother’s kids for a decade or so before she checked out. I think she knew not to pester me but I bet my brother got an earful of that.
I’ve now got two nephews and a niece (and only one sibling).
Thankfully the only other one of my cousins with the same last name has already reproduced, so I don’t need to worry about any guilt about “keeping the family name alive”.
Lol I got some of that. Turns out that even with 14 grandkids there is only 1 who could carry on my fathers name. There are 7 boys and 7 girls of the 7 boys 2 of them are my stepsons (one from each marriage) and so not technically biologically related, 4 are my sisters kids and so carry their fathers last name not mine. That leaves only 1 of my sons who is biologically related and can carry on the name, only since my wife and I did not get married until he was almost 2 he did not have my last name he has my wifes name
My grandfather c has 10 great-granddaughters and 2 great-grandsons, and neither of the great-grandsons has the c name.
I guess I failed in my part, having only a daughter, but I think he would be okay with it. He only got to meet about 4-5 of them, all girls at that time.
I’m with you. Lotta up side to not spawning (and some down). But, everybody’s different.
Yeah, sometimes but I think I’d probably break him (or her). We don’t need any more Festus on this planet, they don’t quite fit.
My family name will disappear in another generation, at least in the descendants of my great-grandfather. Among my relations either men didn’t reproduce or their sons managed to kill themselves off.
Strangely, I had 2 brothers (gone now), between us we had 4 boys. My oldest brother’s son never married, my other brother had 2 sons, each had 2 daughters, I have 1 son, married for 15 minutes, now too old to think of a family. My only paternal male cousin died in WW2 so our family name is going to disappear in the US. After its gone who will care?
Nice work 82, I hope to live to be 100, then, maybe, I can retire……….
Yeah but you’re one of those gracile ones *Turns head and spits*
The things I learn here.
Hey, Yusef, speaking of working: How’s your new gig?
Ears perk up
OT: So, the NZ psycho was a collectivist, obsessed with environmentalism and population reduction, revered Mao’s political strategies and hated free markets.
That’s, like, totes straight from the GOP platform. The only possible explanation is that he was being mind-controlled by Trump and the NRA.
(Forget about the fact that he openly stated that the primary reason he used firearms was to try and sow discord in the USA, which the Dems are only too happy to provide)
The media is really outdoing itself at this time. They are plopping everybody that isn’t an intersectional feminist into the killer’s camp. It’s just amazing.
I like to think that the increasingly unhinged rantings of the MSM are akin to a death rattle right before they expire for good. However, the reality that there are still many people out there that actually listen to them is disheartening.
One of the problems, in all seriousness, is that for many people outside the US, CNN is their only window into US culture, politics and current events. CNN International is pretty much the only game in town in global airports, hotels and satellite packages. Not that Fox News is ideal or a panacea, but I’ve been saying for years that they need to try and make inroads in those markets if only for an alternative viewpoint.
The alphabet soup networks are hopeless.
This guy sums it up nicely. I’m hoping non Americans everywhere can see what is happening.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1106423667897049088
Have no doubt. The ugly will become uglier as the day wanes. Bad Orange man will become a nothing-burger if what I’ve read so far is any indication.
link?
CPRM posted relevant excerpts from his manifesto in the Morning Lynx; I’ll try to dig up the transcript in toto.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html Is the one I dug through.
The whole thing is…odd, to say the least. As many have said, stick to the 72hr rule before casting any serious judgement.
And I’ll note that the authorities seem intent on preventing anyone from seeing the video evidence of the event. Not that I care to see people getting mowed down, but we should be able to see what really happened. I have very little faith in the government/media framing of such events, especially after the Las Vegas shooting (and I didn’t have much faith before that either. I half-expect media types to claim there is a such’nsuch New Zealander in the Colorado Tea Party…).
I doubt I’ll ever retire completely. I kind of enjoy my consulting work and occasionally get to go to some neat places (New Jersey isn’t one of those.) But I can see myself at, of, 77, twenty years from now, getting a call from someone asking “hey, can you go do a gap assessment in Flagstaff/Tokyo/Auckland?” And off we’ll go.
But way before then we’ll have our house in Alaska, and don’t ask me to go on the road when the salmon are running or moose season is open.
My Dad was a travelling salesman in his salad years and he loved being on the road away from the family. He went back to his first love after his second marriage fell to pieces. 78 years old and he sped up the wrong lane of a freeway, nearly killing three people but definitely ending himself. The last time I spoke with him he asked that “Let’s let bygones be bygones” and “Let’s not hold a grudge”. I stand by my chilly reception. I hadn’t seen the guy for ten years. He could have been a millionaire like every one of his siblings but he gambled it all away for spite. He ripped me off. Ten years of supporting his company and nothing to show for it. I miss the idea of my Dad but I don’t miss the man.
Have you ever watch Steven Rinella’s TV show “MeatEater”? He and his brother own a cabin on the shores of Prince of Wales Island. That seems about perfect to me. Salmon, shrimp and crab from the sea and venison from the land.
I’m planning on being the same way. I want to keep doing something technical and will travel to wherever, but with the ability to say no.
Go Fourscore!
I retired last year and am still unpacking from downsizing, figuring out my next step, etc. Totally agree about keeping active.
Fourscore, I just love your articles. Thank you.
As usual, I feel like I’m in my own category.
I have a couple properties in the Tokyo area – one commercial, one residential – paid off and bringing in rent income.
I have three probable (small) retirement checks that should begin paying out when I sign up.
I am rolling into my 60’s trying to move from “full time employment with one entity” to “multiple contracts/ventures” which I can focus on as opportunities present. I am trying to capitalize on a toolbox of skills/knowledge which I have cobbled together over the decades to have an active income stream (aside from investments/property) which relies on my abilities more than how some corporate entity choses to value my contribution.
I would love to chart a course to finishing life in the US southwest but I see that as something I will only be able to do in short spurts.
So what do you pre-65 retirees do for medical insurance?
Catastrophic care was semi-affordable pre Obama-care, but now thanks to DC and your state I’m going guess your basic plan approaches $500/month. So for a couple that is $12k/year for 10 years.
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/average-marketplace-premiums-by-metal-tier/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
Given my experiences actually pricing policies at various states I feel the KFF data above is light. I’m assuming it includes state and federal subsidies for lower income purchasers.
I’m sucking off the public tit, so I have retirement medical. A friend of mine who retired out on disability from LAPD is on ObamaCare and absolutely hates it.
It doesn’t cover his fake disability?
You’d have to read it to understand it.
That’s one of the reasons I went back into the military reserves. The primary reason was so my wife would have something “when” we retired back to the US – we are covered in Japan. In the meantime things have changed and we most probably won’t be retiring to the US.
Things have changed, meaning…
The country sucks now?
I think at 60 reservists qualify for Tricare for Life, spouses add on at 65? I could be wrong. We have Tricare but luckily we haven’t had serious health problems to date.
The only way we’re going to get passive income into our later years is if I ever learn how to market my books. No, I’m serious. I want Mr. Mojeaux to go to business school (“But when do I have time to do that?”) and he wants me to go to marketing school (“WTF is that and where would I look and no, I’m totes scared to put myself out there!”). I gotta learn to market.
There are some online courses and such that I think can be helpful in learning marketing.
Only slightly related: Can you confirm you got my email from this user name at gmail dot com?
Yes, and I replied with the copy of the book. Spam filter? (Some people might call it spam.)
Ohhh, good point. I’ll check that…
…and there it was. You’d think an email I’d initiated would get through the Spam Filter. Stupid google.
Ah marketing… That’s a curse and a burden. I could “market” pretty well when I was young and in the midst of my powers but boy-oh-boy, hit 45 and it all slows to trickle.
And marketing books you’ve put your heart and soul into is so PERSONAL. I don’t read reviews anymore, but it still is like walking on eggshells.
If I knew a competent salesman I’d be rich. Me, I’m not a salesman, dislike people too much and have a compulsion to be honest (when I’m not bullshitting here)
My parents tried to make a salesman of me when I was an 18 year-old ne’er do well. Stoner hippy kid selling insurance was not a good fit. I made three sales in my first week but it just was not for me, Man…
Same.
I just inflicted 3 Glibs with a hot mess of a book that I didn’t realize was such a hot mess when I inflicted them.
Hell, even selling myself for a job is all too often ruined because I try to answer honestly instead of going jingoistic. And I know that’s where I fall short, but like I said honesty is a compulsion.
One time I was interviewing for an admin assistant position and said very proudly that I have tunnel vision and I am dedicated to a project until it gets done.
Oops.
I once had a supervisor tell me that of all the people they’d interviewed, I was the only one who’d been honest on their resume.
It’s probably why I didn’t get a lot of callbacks at the time. (I haven’t actively job searched in a while).
After I completed the technical interview at my current gig, and I got hired, the supervisor told me that I had undersold my technical skills on my resume. So it appears I need to update my resume better for the next job hunt in a couple of years.
That’s… disturbing…
I may have a couple 3-week projects trumpeted on my resume, but nothing’s false on there. I’m also flat honest when I interview. Since I have a job, there’s no pressure to get into a bad situation just to get a paycheck. If they’re not interested in my skillset, then I’m not interested either.
Not precisely passive income but Wifey is going all in on her side-line. She’s a couple years older than I and probably doesn’t want to share the Fancy Feast in our dotage.
Current plan is in 28 years (60), but that is with basically an infinite lifespan 1:1 income replacement, terms of my pension make it difficult to change this without losing out on stupid amounts of money. trying to do my budget this weekend to get a better idea of when the house will be paid off. Been paying it at more than double the required rate so far.
“…Been paying it at more than double the required rate …”
Very good strategy. Cancel all loans as soon as feasible. You never know when your cash will be required elsewhere.
Just checked the amortization schedule. 6-7 years ahead, only 2.5 years in right now. *does happy dance*
The first ten years, 55 to 65, we were pretty much the same, physically. Then some tasks began to take longer, stuff got heavier, places got farther away. If you wait too long you may not be able to do those things you had planned to do when you retired.
Should be in letters ten feet high.
Thanks Fourscore for the great article. Busy day today, so not much time.
My reflections on that transition period– don’t put off something as “I’ll do XXX when I retire”. Start today and work it into your life now. Build up your non-work life so that you have a framework when you do retire and there’s a giant hole where work used to be. Take care of yourself, physically and mentally. Once retired, it’s easy to coast without many commitments or responsibility. You won’t notice for a while, maybe even until it’s too late.
If I prepared for retirement, I would almost certainly be dead by 60, so I feel my lack of preparations are the surest possible way to ensure longevity.
Retirement is a topic of interest to me. My wife and I are looking to retire within the next three years. I’ve done my own calculations and planning, but have started interviewing financial planners to pick one who can help cross-check my numbers.
My retirement plans are very loose – depending on some inheritance, 20 acres I own in the country, and my mediocre 401k. Also my house is situated in the most overpriced and wealthiest suburb in the area, which has been that way since the 1890s and I have a hard time seeing changing any time soon. So, minus some major political upheaval or natural catastrophe, I’ll make out okay in that department. I was lucky to have been able to sneak into the neighborhood.
Now my special needs son future is another thing – he already has several investments that were set up by old man and with money used by an inheritance that my mother received. $$ accumulation over years and in the future he’ll end up being wealthier than I ever will be but – being a single child – I’ll have to find a relative I can trust to handle his money. That’s a scary idea – giving someone a bunch of money and saying: “Make sure you spend it on my son!”
Or else some legal firm or uh…
That’s the kinda shit that snaps your asshole shut in the middle of the night. Choose wisely, LH.
Set up a trust, and use a specialist.
I have a relative who’s on the BoD for the Special Olympics. He probably knows dozens of people who have done so. I’ll ask around.
My plan is looking something like thus – finish paying off the house I’m living in (5 more years).
Buy a retirement house in a better jurisdiction.
Rennovate/rebuild to my tastes (easy since I’ll still be resident in the current house.)
Accrue as many different channels of retirement savings to safeguard against theft of one or more. (State pension, deferred comp, etc)
Retire
Move to proper jurisdiction house.
Either rennovate and sell or dump the existing house.
Use whatever funds are acquired from that sale to buy an annuity to supplement the existing requirement accounts.
If I add enough pittances together, I can afford to write full-time.
I’m not seeing a “glove budget” line item. Obviously a Tulpa.
I also didn’t list clothes, food, or other specifics.
Sweat pants and delivery menus are not a recognized line item.
So yeah that kind of life works for you which is great and all but reading your story the only thing I am thinking is….
I spend 40 years racking my brains in a high paying intellectual career and my pay off is spending my retirement living the grueling life of a subsistence farmer who gets to travel every now and then.
Gardening, carpentry, plumbing, those are not hobbies, those are work.
That said no I do not think about retirement, ever because I know I will never be able to retire.
I am fixin to turn 50 I think I might have around 20k in retirement savings. Just a guess on that I haven’t checked my 401k in more than 3 years but the problem is I only reached a point where I even could contribute to a retirement plan about 6 years ago so there just isn’t much there. I still have 4 kids living at home, 1 has graduated from high school and is the epitome of failure to launch, he has done nothing but hide in his bedroom and play video games for a year and literally just got his first job ever this week working night shift at a gas station. The next 2 are Sophmores in High School and one of them probably will be going to college the other probably not. Then there is the youngest who is is a 5th grader and will likely be going to college. This means I don’t get the last of the kids out of the house till just before I turn 57 and will probably be supporting at least one kid till I am 62.
Given my age, weight, and physical condition the odds of my living past 65 – 68 are slim at best, even going on a crash course to lose weight at this point in my life statistically will not help me live longer so at best I will be child free for about 6 years and if I am lucky will have about $120k in retirement savings when I get to that point. I could try to retire at some point after that but there wouldn’t be much point and if instead I just work until I am no longer physically or mentally able to then there is a decent shot that I could leave my wife who is 8 years younger than me and can probably expect to live into her mid to late 70’s enough for her to have a decent retirement starting around age 62ish.
So yeah, my retirement plan is to hopefully keel over on the job sometime in my mid 60’s
yeah, um… *looks around sheepishly* That’s not so good.
The sad thing is It is not like I ever really “lived it up” when I was younger.
A lot of dumb mistakes to be sure but I wasn’t blowing my money on hookers and blow, the biggest problem is that I have been a parent raising children literally non stop since 1992 and I basically had to restart life over from nothing thanks to the Dot Com Crash.
Went into it living in Atlanta married to wife one with one kid, came out of it 27 months later living in Cincinnati with wife 2, 3 kids and having been unemployed for 20 of those 27 months
Preach!
“1 has graduated from high school”
How much room and board are you charging him? Especially now that he has a job.
When I was 12, my old man told me “When you turn 18, you start paying rent. If you want to go to college, you have to pay for it yourself but I won’t charge you rent as long as you’re going full time. Here’s $2,000 from grandpa. Handle it wisely. I’ll help you put into a safe, interest bearing account.”
All 4 siblings before me got the same speech, except the girls didn’t get the money from grandpa. All of us had jobs in high school, Dad opened bank accounts or all of us by the time we were 6 or 7 and we were always instructed to put half of our Christmas and birthday money in the bank. So we instinctively put at least half our high school job money in the bank.
Of the six kids, some handle money better than others, but even the worst ones (aka, those who married deadbeats) have managed to avoid major debt other than mortgages.
“except the girls didn’t get the money from grandpa”
Tough, but fair.
Bwahahahahahaha.
I’d actually rather he be saving his money so he has enough to move out. That said I have zero ability to “charge” him anything because I know for a fact that if I pushed my wife on this it would be ME and not HIM looking for somewhere else to live. He is technically my step son and she babies him way more than the other three who are my biological children. To the point where they all know that she favors him to massive degree over them. I know she feels guilty because she thinks that by getting knocked up by me that she somehow ruined his life.
She actually brags about how proud he is because he came out of his bedroom to wash a load of dishes without being asked, even though he only manages to accomplish this a few times a week as doing the absolute bare minimum occasionally is somehow an actual accomplishment but god forbid I fail to congratulate him on it.
I have told her flat out that he constant coddling of him and protecting him from any consequences for his actions is hurting him, I have told her she is enabling him in several unhealthy behaviors and it would be exactly the same if he were a junkie and she just kept giving him cash and making excuses for him but when I bring this up I am the problem and it is always turned back on me and I am somehow the problem not him.
I have come to terms with the fact that there is nothing I can do here except shut my mouth or get divorced because she will not listen to reason where he is concerned.
The idea of a fully grown adult living in “his room” and playing video games all day is utterly foreign to me. I have no idea how it’s even possible.
Turns down GTA V so Playa doesn’t hear it and complain.
Oh he doesn’t even have his own room. He has to share one with his 16 year old brother.
He’s never been on a date or had a girlfriend, he barely graduated from highschool even though he has an IQ well north of 100. While he is totally not violent or politically radicalized he very specifically went out of the way to dress and act in such a manner that the other kids at the school nicknamed him Columbine.
We had him in therapy for a while but the therapist fired him as a client because he basically refused to talk, at all.
If I could rather than charging him rent I would tell him that a condition on his continued living with us is that he will go to therapy and he will actually work with the therapist to get over whatever is wrong in his head and if we do not get good reports of his being receptive to the treatment then he is out on his ass. Unfortunately I do not have that power.
I threw my daughter out of the house at about age 20, she wouldn’t work or go to school. She started working, living with a cousin and the cousin threw her out. She finally married a mirror of herself and is now (at 53) divorcing the bum after 30 years.
Yes.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20190314/do-social-media-hurt-mental-health-of-us-young#1
Agreed, and not just the younglings.
RE: Retirement.
Lottery tickets or marrying into money or you’re a pussy.
I’m going the long lost rich relative’s will route.
You know better.
Lottery winners always end up poor again, no matter how much money they win.
Except for the ones who weren’t poor to begin with.
I wouldn’t mind testing that theory out, though.
It’s because I’ve never won a jackpot yet.
That just means you’re not investing enough in your lottery.
When I do take the time to purchase a lottery ticket, I brag to people that Im a “venture capitalist”.
True. It only occurs to me to buy a lottery ticket when people here or on TOS would suddenly start talking about Mega Millions or some such.
They don’t always end up poor, some of them manage to kill themselves.
Nah, it’s like the full moon canard. You just hear about the ones that end up poor because it is sensational. Some percentage of them just fall off of the radar and live their lives though granted it is a minority of them.
Wife and I bought a ticket yesterday and discussed what we would do. After the discussion I asked her “Yeah, but what would we do with the other 99%?”
Mostly sock it away for the grandchildren I suppose.
I have already done everything there is to do, been everywhere there is to go and had everything there is to have. I dont have any grandiose dreams of blowing money. We dont gamble, fool with dope, run around on each other and already have every kind of junk imaginable piled up to our eyeballs.
I would cook for my wife and go fishing with my brother…the same stuff I already do. Ok, I might buy a couple of Glibertarians.com coffee mugs too. And a Steve Smith T-shirt.
I’m too lucky, if I bought a ticket I might win and destroy the life I have now.
I think it was Foxworthy who said something like: “White-collar workers have their 401k, rednecks have the lottery, “
I “retired” from the military in ’13, and stopped working for four months. Found out my military retirement is more than enough to survive off, but not quite enough to live off.
I kinda went stir-crazy, too. So now I’m doing the intellectual portion of my last military job (analyst) and working to pay off the house.
I recently turned 54, so I’ll probably work another 8 years and hit real retirement at 62. In the mean time, we’re gonna start traveling more (went to Vegas last week).
We’re leaning toward AZ as retirement destination. My Mom retired in the Prescott area, and my Brother is leaning in that direction as well.
is AZ the home of the Glibstate project now?
Recently traveled there (Phoenix & Sedona). What’s with all the f#@$ing roundabouts?
I’ve thought about retiring a few times. Money isn’t an issue, but I need somewhere to go and something to do in addition to my hobbies. Otherwise, I think I’d go crazy.
I’m the opposite. I could find plenty of stuff to occupy the 50hrs/week I currently spend cooped up in a
cubicleopen concept office. I’ll build things, grow things, program things, shoot things, and spend some time doing nothing.The best thing I look forward to in retirement is getting to choose what I do each day.
Maybe it’ll be different when my kids are grown.
I’ve taken a month off at a time, and it sucks.
I’ve been assuming that the next civil war will take care of my retirement plans for me.
Killed in Pickett’s Charge?
Fever dreams.
You ain’t the only one. I figure the government will confiscate 90% of my retirement savings and I’ll still be better off two years later that the people they give the money to will be.
Two years later I’ll be dead or leading a guerrilla unit.
I don’t plan ahead because every single time I’ve planned anything in my life, it gets nuked. It’s rather amusing.
I’m lucky in that my only expensive tastes are guns and scotch and I make good money so what I don’t spend piles up when I’m not looking. I don’t count on that though, it could change at any second. Life will anally fuck you with no lube regardless of anything; how negatively it impacts you, however, is completely within how you respond. I try to land on my feet no matter what happens and find humor in the absurdity of human suffering.
Retirement is also a question of lifestyle. If I desired, I could liquidate everything but the essentials right now (I have to keep my guns), buy a property in the boonies outright and live off what’s leftover till the big sleep, whenever that is. I work because I have nothing better to do and I enjoy it well enough. It gives me money to buy guns and travel. The concept of “living your dream” is a lie; live a life you can tolerate and strive to be an island of contentment in an ocean of absurdity, pain, pointlessness and death. Not that I’m in a hurry to clock out; life is too much fun and there are so many tits I haven’t seen yet. I also finally got Tensorflow working on my AMD GPU, so I have to see how that pans out.
You’re underestimating self worth. Being paid to do something because you’re good at it and take pride in doing it is a cornerstone of long term mental health.
Sitting around bored? It’s really not good for you.
Not that I’m in a hurry to clock out; life is too much fun and there are so many tits I haven’t seen yet.
Your epitaph is going to read: “My only regret is the tits I did not see.”
And titties.
I’m a little bit on this train. I make plans, and they rarely seem to workout as planned, but I manage to stumble into something good anyway. Almost every major success i had was the result of being flexible and prepared to seize an opportunity when circumstances changed around my plan. I think I am more comfortable with calculated risks because of it. If things do’t work out, I’ll make it work.
My wife and I have consistently lived a life where we could afford all of our necessities on one or the other’s income. I’ve got some expensive tastes like guns and bourbon, but even that isn’t all that expensive compared to our income and I could could back a little on either one if I needed to.
But I think Playa has a good point about working to keep you healthy too. That’s part of the long-term plan; have a job, but have one that’s on our terms and where we aren’t reliant on the income to get by. That’s the idea life.
. I make plans, and they rarely seem to workout as planned, but I manage to stumble into something good anyway.
It’s interesting reading your perspective because mine is very much opposite. However, we get to the same endpoint.
I’m working in the career field that I planned to be in during high school. I’ve checked all of my aspirational boxes from when I was a kid, some due to good planning, some due to finding the finish line in a roundabout way.
After spending my teens planning and my 20s executing, my late 20s was rocked by the realization that I don’t really like sitting behind a desk doing hardly-consequential paper pushing. It’s too bad, because I’m actually quite good at it. I’m not sure what that means for me long term, but my retirement dream is to retire early and work with my hands in retirement. Whether that be a hobby farm or a woodworking shop or an aquarium maintenance service or whatever, the goal is to be physically tired, not mentally tired, at the end of the day.
Yeah, same hear. Retirement to me is getting away from my desk and computer. I’ll still work, but it won’t be about the benjamins anymore. Maybe something seasonal outdoors like at a gun range or a park.
I knew a colonel in the air force who lived his retirement dream…he did grounds maintenance on a golf course. No pressure, no dealing with people, just good outdoor views and the satisfaction of putting things in order all day long.
I would be totally down with that.
Dream job. That or restocking shelves at the hardware store at my leisure.
This seems to be hidden in the subtext of this thread, so I’ll just come out and say it.
Don’t get divorced. Strategies for avoiding divorce may vary.
Not getting married is the only 100% effective method.
Beyond that… lock her in the basement?
Bury her in the basement.
That took a dark turn. He’s a glib.
I’ve found that is effective. Though usually it requires some tying up as well… wait. Wrong thread.
Fuck. If I were to get divorced Wifey would pay alimony and I’d keep the house.
I’m actually in the same position. It’s great to have leverage; not that I want to get a divorce.
I paid for my wife’s law school, so I own half of her law degree.
I helped pay for my ex’s Degree and when she was within a cunt-hair of Graduation she gave me the boot. Good times.
My wife got a much bigger bonus than me this year. She’s upstairs talking to an interior decorator right now (over my protests). I’m in the basement working and reading Glib comments.
“working”
#1. Marry the right woman. Been working for me for 46+ years.
I bought used but 23 years on the odometer and she’s still purring along…
I’ve been married to the worst woman in the world and the best woman in the world. Fortunately in the right order. Divorce is a killer in many respects but not getting divorced when necessary is worse.
Need a Friday giggle from a decade ago or longer? Try this:
http://www.thesneeze.com/steve-dont-eat-it/
(with 2 special-interest Glib entries with reviews for “homemade prison wine” and “natto”)
My doggy won’t even eat “Beggin Strips”! That’s the nickname I gave to one of the girls at the plant. She’d always leave a swath of fecal matter on the toilet seat. #Girlscanbepigstoo
Wait seriously the guy had a hard time with human breast milk?
That stuff is delicious, especially straight from the source
Maybe dick was part of the potted meat?
“…old, reclusive and comfortable being left alone.”
I didn’t write this?
*wakes up from drunken stupor* What did I say now?
Sounds like my retirement plan. Of course, I have always been a cynical old man at heart.
https://twitter.com/landlineben/status/1106610232137080833
What would we do without our brave free speech defenders? WokeHat in with the hottest of takes
“Make it so!”
I don’t get it.
It’s because there’s nothing to get.
Popehat thinks that talking shit on the internet is the same as shooting up a mosque.
It’s just plain stupid.
That is stupid.
He had my sympathy yesterday, and he went and pissed it away.
(Michael Avenatti allegedly called his office and yelled at him).
How can someone so smart have such a stupid take? This smear by spurious association nonsense really needs to stop.
What the hell happened to that guy? Did he fall and hit his head?
Thanks for the article! I’m going to bookmark it as inspiration. I’m around 7 years give or take away. I hate suberbia. I really want a little elbow room and enough land to shoot. BUT I also don’t want to be more than 30 minutes from stuff to do. Makes it kind of tough since I’m not rich. Wife and I haven’t agreed yet on where to live but were not that far apart on our ideas. She would like Knoxville which I like but we’ve looked and am not sure I can find what I want close enough to town for my liking.
As to UCS’s complaint the other day about the janitorial staff – we don’t set the schedule and damned if I’m gonna keep scrubbing away whilst you are trying pinch a loaf. Every time someone needs to use the facilities I’ll find something else to do. You have bad janitors.
I am the Janitor. I sweep and I wipe…https://youtu.be/hM7LCXiWOSI
My retirement plan involves a warehouse fire, an orgy, and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.. just sort of all at once.
Solid.
OT
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html
reading through that fucker’s manifesto, found this gem on page 11:
I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United States and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United States will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.
This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.
The funny thing is he comes right out and says what his goal is, how does the mainstream media respond?
Doing exactly what he predicted they would
Actually today on the car radio CBS did report that his goal was to set the right and left against each other in the US over the gun control issue.
I was shocked.
So he was trying for a modified Manson. Cunt.
Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China.
Were/are you “right wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.
Were/are you “left wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.
That’s going to give the media fits. No it won’t, who am I kidding.
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.
I’m just going to post any tidbits that I find interesting.
Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes.
No wonder Candace Owens LOL’d her mentioning in his manifesto.
https://www.thewrap.com/candace-owens-ripped-for-lol-reaction-after-new-zealand-massacre-suspect-named-her-biggest-influence/
AOC nailed
https://babylonbee.com/news/op-ed-the-key-to-stopping-mass-shootings-is-to-pass-sensible-legislation-against-thoughts-and-prayers
That’s great:)
See, I read the link and that wasn’t at all what I expected.
Not the link, your text.
Our retirement plan:
1. SP wins the lottery.
2. My ex-wife dies.
Other than that, it’s work until I drop.
Eerily similar to mine except I don’t pay alimony. Bitch just needs to have a few niggling things happen to her.
Well your ex-wife is what 14 now? So prolly be around a long time.
Web-dom has powers.
Fd’A’s secret to a happy life…
Live where you play!
Realize this isn’t always an option while working, but it’s the most important factor, IMHO, when it comes to selecting a retirement location. I see these guys from NYC come out here to fish every year. They save up all year for a trip, dream about getting here, and then it’s over in 10 days until the following year. I, OTOH, live it every day. It’s out my back door.
Doesn’t matter what it is that blows your skirt up, skiing, the beach, boating, hunting, family… live near what you love
My .02
We live vicariously through the other glibs, Mister Has-a-life.
Seconded. And thirded.
I sorta retired about 3 years ago, in the sense that I’m doing harder and more productive stuff than most of my paid gigs were.