And Now… The Present
I’m a little surprised, given the current state of affairs in the United States with idiots screeching like retarded banshees about “assault weapons,” that someone has not yet introduced a medium-caliber lever gun that will take, say, an AR or AK magazine. That would be an effective weapon in the hands of even a halfway-competent shooter. But in this modern era, the makers of lever guns have given over to the Tacticool craze – but not all of them, and for those that have, they still also make some traditional models. In fact, there are some new faces in the lever gun game, and some new combinations of old faces as well. So, let’s look at what the lever gun market looks like right now.
Winchester and Browning
The relationship of Browning and Winchester is complex, somewhat incestuous, and requires some unraveling. As this installment is looking at the present state of affairs in lever guns, we’ll only examine the most recent parts of that relationship.
Remember Winchester’s failure, the sale to New Haven employees, the final collapse and bankruptcy of US Repeating Arms? In 1989, when US Repeating Arms went bankrupt, it was acquired by the Belgian Herstal Group, which owns several other gun companies, including Fabrique Nationale d’Herstal (FN) – and the Browning Arms Company. This didn’t immediately affect lever gun production, which was limited to the Model 94 at that time; but in March of 2006, the company decided to shut down production of the Model 94 along with the Model 70 bolt rifle and the Model 1300 shotgun.
This was a sad day for American shooters; fortunately, the situation didn’t last. In August of that same year, the Olin Corporation, who still owned the Winchester trademark, announced an agreement with Browning to manufacture the 1886 and 1892 lever guns at the Mikoru plant in Japan. In 2010, FN began manufacture of the 1894 Winchester at Herstal. The new lever guns replaced the original stupid cross-bolt safety with a stupid tang safety that, while still extraneous, at least did not screw up the lines of the guns as much.
Now the picture for American lever-gun fans was improving and would continue to do so over the next few years as the Herstal-owned Winchester gradually reintroduced the Model 1866, Model 1873 and the great Model 1895.
Modern Winchester lever guns command a hefty price, with the all models running well over four figures. But with guns as with so many other things, you get what you pay for, and after their trials and tribulations – and bear in mind this is coming from a pre-64 Winchester snob – what you get from the new Winchester is damn good.
In a final and interesting twist, Winchester has now began once more offering the 94 chambered for the .32 Winchester Special, just in case you’re among the folks who doubt that this newfangled smokeless powder is really here to stay. And if a more modern gun is to your taste, Browning still makes their excellent BLR.
Winchester and Browning’s relationship began with the 1886 Winchester and continued through the effective merging of those companies. In recent history, though, another big lever gun manufacturer went through another acquisition, albeit not with a company bearing such a long history of association.
Marlin and Remington
While Marlin finally outpaced Winchester as America’s number one lever gun manufacturers in the 1990s, and while Marlin didn’t suffer the perception of quality lapses in the 1960s that Winchester did, that didn’t withhold them from being caught up in the round of company acquisitions that so many gun companies went through in the 21st century.
Late in 2000, Marlin bought out Harrington & Richardson (H&R), a company best known for inexpensive single-shot shotguns and the budget single-shot Handi-Rifles. But only seven years after this acquisition, Marlin would themselves be acquired.
In early 2007, the great American gun company Remington was struggling. The company had been operating at a loss for years; longtime corporate owner DuPont had divested itself of the firearms manufacturer fourteen years earlier. In June 0f 2007 Remington’s recovery began with their purchase by Cerberus Capital Management, later renamed the Freedom Group. In December of that year, the Freedom Group-owned Remington bought Marlin, bringing the country’s second-oldest lever-gun manufacturer under Big Green. That situation continues as of this writing.
Marlin today offers a larger variety of lever guns than the reconstituted Winchester. The great old 336 is still available in blue and stainless trims, as is the old Model 94. The 1895 and 444 are still available, the 1895 likewise in stainless and blue. The Marlin 39 .22 rimfire is still made and is still an excellent shooter. Marlin has also brought out a couple of new offerings recently on the great old 336 action, that being the 308 Marlin Express, chambered for a sort of rimmed .308, and the Marlin XLR, chambered in the .30-30, .35 Remington and the .308 Marlin Express. The XLR was purpose-made for Hornady’s Leverevolution ammunition, designed to let tubular magazine lever guns use pointed bullets.
While this ammo is turning in some pretty good performance by all accounts, one must be cautious with older Marlins. Overall cartridge length is critical in making lever guns run well, and the Hornady stuff seems to run long. While my old .30-30 336 feeds my handloads with the Hornady bullets just fine, I bought some factory rounds to try in the Bullwhacker, and the .45-70 versions jammed up on the cartridge lifter; they were just a bit too long for my mid-Nineties 1895G to feed well, although it digests every other factory round I’ve tried just fine, including some pretty incredible Garrett and Buffalo Bullet Company loads.
Marlin today is, like the new Winchester, a great company offering great products. Their rifles, like throughout their history, are a bit cheaper than the Winchesters, but that makes them in no way less effective.
But Winchester and Marlin were about to get some company in the lever gun market. There were some new kids on the block, new kids bearing an old name; there were also some old kids bearing an old name who were looking to branch out.
Henry
In 1996, a guy named Louis Imperato and his son Anthony Imperato obtained the rights to use the name “Henry” in relation to lever-action rifles, and proceeded to do so, launching the Henry Repeating Arms company and shipping their first model, a lever-action .22 rimfire, in March of 1997. The .22 Henry was followed by the Henry “Big Boy” in a variety of revolver cartridges, after which the Imperatos topped things off by resurrecting the original Henry rifle in .44-40 and .45 Colt calibers.
Henry adopted a marketing tactic that wasn’t exactly new but did set them apart from the Mikoru-made Winchester offerings; they heavily advertised their guns as completely made in the USA. That resonated well with a lot of American shooters and Henry quickly realized success, leading them to expand their line.
The Henry centerfire line was expanded to regular lever gun rounds including the .30-30 and even the .45-70. But like the original, the new Henry rifles have a weakness; the magazine.
While tubular-magazine lever guns from Winchester and Marlin load through a spring-loaded, hinged gate in the receiver, the Henry’s centerfire offerings copied the loading feature from their original .22 and, indeed, from all lever-action .22 rimfires; they load through an aperture in the underside of the magazine tube.
Not only does this seem a rather cheesy cost-cutting feature in a rifle that otherwise seems to be very solid and well-made, it has two other significant disadvantages; first, it requires dismounting the gun and removing the magazine tube to reload, as opposed to poking fresh rounds in through the gate, second, it allows dirt, dust and grit to get into the magazine tube, possibly jamming the gun up in the field.
But then Henry had a stroke of luck with a new rifle called the Long Ranger.
This new offering was something different, a modern lever gun broadly similar to the excellent Browning BLR; the Long Ranger has a gear-driven, short-throw lever driving a rotating locking-lug bolt, a detachable box magazine, and comes chambered in .223 Remington, .243 and .308 Winchester and the 6.5 Creedmoor. This gave shooters a chance at a fully modern big-game lever gun at a much lower cost than the Browning BLR.
While Henry was plowing and sowing this fertile new ground, though, a much older but still family-owned company was looking at the lever gun market and seeing some potential for their own offering.
Mossberg Enters the Market
For a complete story here, we must cast our optics back a few decades.
In 1919, the Great War had just ended, and a company named Marlin-Rockwell that manufactured machine guns duly closed their doors. Among the employees laid off from that company was a 53-year old Swedish immigrant named Oscar Frederick Mossberg.
Since Mossberg had some experience in firearms, going into business for himself seemed the logical thing to so, so he took his sons Iver and Harold and formed the O.F. Mossberg and Sons company. While they started with the .22 caliber Brownie pocket pistol and then moved into rimfire rifles and shotguns, including eventually the famous Model 500, they dabbled in the lever gun market with a .22 rimfire gun, the Model 400, which was manufactured from 1959 to 1964, never achieving much success. But in 1972 Mossberg entered the centerfire lever gun market with the Model 472, essentially a clone of the popular Marlin 336, chambered in .30-30 and .35 Remington.
The 472 was rather more popular than the rimfire 400 had been, but it never approached the very similar Marlin in sales. It’s still a good solid rifle, and it’s not hard to find used examples on the various auction sites; if one is looking for a very reasonably priced, solid and reliable .30-30, there are plenty of worse choices you could make.
Still, one good clone deserves another. In 2008 Mossberg brought out the Model 464 lever-action, in calibers .30-30 and .22 long rifle.
Mossberg and Henry have some interesting things in common. Both companies manufacture only in the U.S; both are still family-owned. But while Henry built lever guns mostly to their own pattern, Mossberg went in for adapting other designs. The Mossberg 464 in centerfire and rimfire versions were a thinly veiled copy of the Model 1894 Winchester and the 9422 Winchester.
Mossberg remains today as it always has been; an American company producing solid, reliable arms at reasonable prices. They may not have the fit and finish of more expensive guns, but if you are afield with a Mossberg in your hands, you can be damned sure it will go bang when you pull the trigger.
Also, Mossberg has one other talent as a company: They can see trends and take advantage of them. As the first decade of the new century ended, they did that with their 464 lever gun.
The Tacticool Lever Gun?
In 2013, Mossberg introduced another version of their 464 lever gun.
The SPX lever gun was, to put it plainly, something of a parody of the Tacticool craze. It used the 464 action, but appended a telescoping stock, a synthetic fore-end with several Picatinny rails and a muzzle brake.
By this point Tacticool-izing lever guns (along with every other kind of gun) was becoming all the rage. Black plastic replaced polished walnut as the stock-making material of choice, while Picatinny rails rather than Redfield or Weaver mounts the choice for mounting optical sights. I’ve relented myself to the extent of placing a Picatinny rail on the forward receiver and barrel of my own Bullwhacker, the better to mount the IER scope that the lightweight .45-70’s recoil warrants.
Still, as noted previously, there may be more thought going into this than old walnut and blued steel-worshipping stick-in-the-muds like me might at first consider. Consider for a moment the state of the gun rights controversy today, and how much of it focuses on “scary” black rifles. Consider the number of jurisdictions who have banned, partially banned or tried to ban scary black semi-autos.
Now, consider how little difference there is for an experienced shooter to deliver aimed rounds from a semi-auto vs. a medium-caliber lever gun. I can tell you this, having served in Uncle Sam’s colors and also having spent damn near fifty years in the game fields, were I in any kind of scrap, had I to choose between a military POGUE who hasn’t fired a rifle except for annual qualifications in his career, or an overweight mall ninja, or an old coot who has owned the same Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 for forty years and is a wizard at using it, I know which one I’d want on my side.
So maybe there’s a bit of smarts behind the Tacticool lever gun thing after all. If there are any Glibs with a good machine shop at their disposal and a head for business, it might be interesting to see if one could come up with a lever gun firing the 7.32x39mm round (which is close to the .30-30 in power) and that accepts AK magazines. Three may be a market for just such a gun.
The continued expansion of the replica market shows that there is an ample market for those guns as well.
More Replicators
Boy howdy, are there ever a wealth of replica guns of all kinds out there today, including many lever guns. While some of them are cheap knockoffs, many more are excellent, finely crafted and beautiful guns, enough to warm any old codger’s heart. Virtually all the Winchester models as well as the 1860 Spencer and the 1883 Colt-Burgess are represented, as are the 1860 Henry. Uberti, Chiappa, Rossi, all are represented, and there are new players that build some neat niche pieces. An outfit called Big Horn Armory is making a copy of the 1886 Winchester they call their Model 89, shooting the thumping .500 Smith & Wesson round. Taylors & Company makes some very fine replicas indeed, including an all-weather takedown clone of the Model 92 Winchester.
In fact, there’s one replica than, in reflection, makes me a little embarrassed that I neglected discussing the original on which the replica is based. I’ll do so now.
In the late 1880s, Winchester was thinking of getting into the shotgun business. They had previously had a contract manufacturer produce some side-by-side doubles known as the Winchester Match Guns, but these were pricey items and only a few hundred were made. An old buddy of mine had one, one of the two Match Guns made in 20 gauge, and in fact the very first 20-gauge shotgun to ever carry the name Winchester. Someone eventually made him an offer he couldn’t refuse, one good enough to enable him to considerably expand his collection of unfired NIB 1940s and 1950s Colt revolvers.
But in 1887 Winchester wanted a repeater. Remember that famous Ogden gunmaker Winchester had just signed a contract with at that time? The company asked him to design them a repeating shotgun. John Browning advocated the pump-action, but Winchester said no; they were a lever gun company, and their repeating shotgun would be a lever gun. In due course Browning designed and Winchester introduced the Model 1887 shotgun, a big, blocky lever gun firing the 12-gauge and 10-gauge rounds. That gun was refined somewhat a few years later and re-introduced as the Model 1901 in 10-gauge only.
The 87/01 was blocky and awkward. Browning continued his insistence that a pump was the way to go, Winchester relented, and Browning gave them the slim, handy Model 1897 pump gun, which Winchester engineer T.C. Johnson refined into the Model 1912, or just the Model 12 – arguably the finest pump shotgun ever made.
But I digress. The Model 1887 lever-action shotgun is made in replica form today by two manufacturers; Chiappa, who makes as good a gun as you can ask for, and Norinco, most of whose products are best suited as boat anchors. Chiappa even makes a version their 1887 replica with a rifled barrel and rifle sights, making it a very fine deer gun for states restricted to shotgun slugs for big game.
And, as usual, the lever gun market has some outliers and oddballs.
And a Few Others
In 1996 Ruger pitched in with their Model 96, a slick little full-stocked lever gun chambered for the .44 Magnum. While the 96 was a handy little thing with some good short-range punch, it didn’t last; Ruger wasn’t known as a lever gun company, and the 96 just kind of faded out.
From 1961 until 1979 shotgun maker Ithaca also sold the Model 49 lever gun, both as a tube-mag repeater and as a single-shot with a false magazine tube. I had a Model 49 for a while, and while Ithaca has always had the reputation of being a solid gunmaker, the 49 is in my experiences something of an exception, being whippy and rather cheap-feeling. I eventually traded mine off for something else, and the fact that I can’t even remember the details of that trade may tell you something of the esteem in which I held that little .22.
And Then This Happened
Another series ended.
I confess to being at a bit of a loss as to what types of guns to write about next. Pump shotguns, maybe? The history of pump-guns goes back nearly as far as the history of lever guns, and there are sure some standout examples (Pre-64 Model 12) from some names (Winchester) we’ve already studied. Maybe a series on shotguns in general, although that’s a wide time-span from the first matchlock fowlers to the present.
There are also some tiny niche gun companies and oddball guns out there with interesting histories. Ever hear of a Hilton revolver? Remember the .22 caliber Daisy VL? The Crosman Trapmaster CO2 shotgun? The GyroJet pistols and carbines? The gun world is an embarrassment of riches for the aspiring historian, and I’m just getting started. Hang in there, True Believers – you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
I first heard of Gyrojet pistols from Larry Niven. He used them as murder weapons in a couple of stories.
They were neat, but the lack of close-in hitting power really didn’t help them any. The manufacturing defects in the projectiles that resulted in occluded ports and bad flight paths just finished them off.
I read about them in Popular Science. Wanted one badly. Still do.
They are still available. The ammo too, but it’s aging badly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJAXpyt8-oQ
I wonder if 3d printing might be a way to manufacture new/better gyrojet ammo.
Our space force might need something along those lines – I don’t even know if regular ammo will fire in a vacuum, but recoil in zero-g would be a bitch.
Guns work in space. Gunpowder is self oxidizing, and doesn’t require atmospheric oxygen to react. Due to a lack of an atmosphere and the much weaker gravity ballistics will get weird so aiming will be different, and as you pointed out recoil will be an issue, but the gun will fire perfectly fine. Semi and fully automatic firearms might have trouble cycling properly, but any manually cycled action like lever or bolt will be fine.
Firing a gun on a spaceship risks explosive decompression if the bullet goes through the hull. That’s why PPGs will be used. H/T Babylon 5.
Can I get a high five Nephilium?
A great series Animal, thanks!
Shotguns!!!
Seconded, and seconded!
First gun I ever purchased myself was 12-gauge pump action shotgun. I was walking back to my apartment when a cop pulled up, saying someone had called. The gun was in a soft case, and I showed the cop the paperwork. We chatted for a bit, and he gave me a ride – back to my apartment.
The benefits of not living on the West Coast or NY.
Very informative, in-depth and enjoyable. Hope we see shotguns, too…Thanks, Animal
Again, I cant pick a favorite author from our lot but I dont think I could do better than Animal. I love these. Keep ’em coming.
ALLOW STEVE SMITH SHOW DISAPPOINTMENT…
AND BY “SHOW DISAPPOINTMENT” MEAN….
Speaking of guns: Californians Flood Gun Stores When Magazine Ban Is Lifted For One Week
Late last month, federal judge Roger T. Benitez struck down a California law in place since 2000 that banned the sale of gun magazines holding more than 10 rounds. The next day, San Diego firearms owners were jamming the phone lines of every gun store in town, desperate to lay hands on the larger, freshly legal pistol magazines before the People’s Republic of California pulled new shenanigans and made them illegal again.
When Gunfighter Tactical on Miramar opened at 10 a.m. on Saturday, the line at their front door stretched around the building. They were sold out within the hour.
In his decision, Benitez excoriated California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and the state for “turning the Constitution upside down” with the magazine restrictions. Benitez said, “Individual liberty and freedom are not outmoded concepts.” The question will likely go to the U.S. Supreme Court, one of several California gun control laws headed there. Hence the hurry: Within a week, Becerra won a fresh injunction banning standard-capacity magazines again while the ruling appeals.
My friend Al Forrest owned a gun shop. Before he passed away I spent a lot of time in there. I drank a lot of coffee, shot a lot of bullshit and bought more than a few guns. One thing that always irritated me was the 11×17 portrait of Obama hanging on the wall with the inscription “World’s greatest gun salesman”
I had not purchased a new fire arm in over a decade and was content with the arsenal I already, but when Obama got elected I bought 4 new ones in the span of 2 years, then got my son to get a concealed carry license and bought him his first gun (he bought 2 more after). In my specific case it seems Obama did make those sales happen.
Yup. I bought my battle rifle and 2 concealed carry pistols shortly after Obama was elected.
I told my wife I was contemplating buying a gun a few years back and she wasn’t super jazzed with the idea (not opposed, just lukewarm). But about six months ago she asked me if it was still on my mind. I told her yes and asked her what she was thinking. She’s now encouraging me to buy one and one of her reasons is “before you’re not allowed to do so.”
I think if I wanted to buy a gun my wife would be of a similar mind.
My wife is lukewarm about gun ownership but she recognizes that it central to my being so there isn’t any discussion about it. In fact one time when we were back in the US driving around Albuquerque she said “Hey! There’s a gun store. Don’t you want to stop and take a look?”
Definite keeper.
I am hoping it does make SCOTUS and we get a proper response of “No, you can’t ban magazines based on the number of rounds they hold”.
I would rather see RBG playing checkers with Hitler before that happens, just to be on the safe side. It wouldn’t bother me if John Roberts had a stroke first was well.
Yeah, Roberts is completely unreliable and his political approach would likely see him wanting avoid opening the door to overturning “common sense” regulations.
That’s kind of been the dominant SC legal theory for almost a hundred years, after Owen Roberts switched his vote.
SFed link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_switch_in_time_that_saved_nine
I thought magazine bans were already ruled unconstitutional in Fallwell v. Hustler
10-round limit is the law in NJ right now. I think about zero gun-owners have turned in mags so far. I would be thrilled if the Supreme Court struck the limits down hard.
It is also the law in “The People’s Republic of Connecticut”.
Drake keeping his straight man part of the joke on point, nice.
That’s Drake, he isn’t playing the straight man…
I thought it was jesse who couldn’t play a straight man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jv_XR6RMAI
*applause*
with several Picatinny rails
No way, I’m going there in today’s racially charged times. Now I understand what people were talking about when they mentioned scary black guns.
The whole point of a lever gun is to have the wood and brass (or nickel) finish. That’s the aesthetic appropriate for the action. Tacticool just looks wrong with a lever-action.
It is a crime against nature.
I agree 100%. I like a rifle that looks like a Transformer as much as the next guy, but some things Are Not Done.
Fourthed.
Or Fifthed. Whatever.
Outstanding!
Now do bolties!
Well, when a Gyrojet and a Grenade Launcher love each other very, very much…
Oh, did you mean Bolt-action rather than Bolter?
Maybe bolt-ons? No, it’s Drake, not Q.
The L in Mikoru stands for lever action?
What you did there is seen…
*narrows gaze*
Racist!!!
Miroku?
I’ve enjoyed this series of articles, Animal. Looking forward to whatever you do next.
The SPX lever gun was, to put it plainly, something of a parody of the Tacticool craze. It used the 464 action, but appended a telescoping stock, a synthetic fore-end with several Picatinny rails and a muzzle brake.
A bayonet would be tacky and old fashioned, I suppose.
Spike bayonet or Rambo knife bayonet?
Chainsaw bayonet.
The AR15 bayonet beats the chainsaw bayonet.
Thank you Animal. I learned a lot and now have yet another fund going!
I have heard complaints about Henry’s quality. The sources may be… unduly finicky.
I dont own any Henrys but the last one I looked at…a golden boy 22…was smooth as silk and the fit and finish were excellent. The tag on it was the only thing putting me off.
The prices at my LGS are going down for them. It made me seriously consider one in .44 magnum
And then of course, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1IV_72M3zQ
44 Mag turns out to be an excellent cartridge for deer. I have two that I hunt with – A ruger carbine in semi-auto and a Winchester 94 with the extra long 24″ barrel. I prefer the Winchester but for extended stalking that light ruger carbine is hard to beat. Inside of 200 yards the 44 mag is a good brush busting deer slayer. It aint bad on hogs either.
My 6.5″ model 29 hits a 12″ plate with at least 4 out of 6 rounds at 100 yards with standard S&W target sights. Pissed off my buddy with his FAL and bipod/scope who missed a whole ten rounds in a row. The ringing started just after miss number ten, then he turned around and saw me firing from a standing position. It was fun.
I’ve been busy, so I haven’t commented much, but I did want to say I loved this series.
Very informative and fun to read, well done Animal.
Thanks for the series.
^^ditto^^
I love me some history – cars, guns, planes – heck I once watched a documentary on the making of player piano rolls.
< Comment 55 in the previous thread.
This Site about the history of specific cars ate up many of an hour.
Bookmarked. Thanks!
It’s the nitty gritty inner politics and design decisions. I find it fascinating but others may get bored knowing about the background how and whys the Mustang or Mini or Cadillac Seville or etc was created.
+1 What is a Camero? Something that eats Mustangs.
We toured the QRS factory in Buffalo NY back in the mid 80’s.. The family’s player piano is still at my mother’s house.. They need major TLC to keep running, very susceptible to humidity and drying out.
https://www.qrsmusic.com/history.asp
Oh man, I can’t wait. Everything you mentioned at the end sounds like great topics. Keep ’em coming!
Agreed. Gun magazine writers are put to shame by Animal’s articles. They are excellent. The problem is that there are so many topics to go into you could spend a lifetime writing and not hit all of them. I have one nearly ready on casting bullets and about to start another on basic accurizing of rifle ammo.
Let’s see: history of cartridges, calibers, gunpowder in general, big heavy bullets vs smaller fast bullets, jacketed vs cast, every shotgun is a law unto itself, relative effectiveness of pistol rounds,…I could list these out all day long and I could spend all day reading them if someone wrote them.
I missed the morning links. Don’t know if this was discussed. And sorry to go off topic already.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/08/barack-obama-democratic-party-purity
The former president says he’s worried about ‘purity’ tests in the Democratic party. What he’s really worried about is his surrogates losing control of the party.
Like those who think “Uncle Joe” Biden is our only way to stop Trump, Obama is stuck in the past. The Democratic party has been transformed. Formerly fringe ideas are now winning ones. Obama and the centrist Democrats he backs are something like the old “Rockefeller Republicans” of the 70s and early 80s. They didn’t realize how out of step with the times they were until it was too late.
Burn, Baby, Burn!
Disco inferno?
*laces up platforms*
Even the Chicago-School politicians are afraid.
—DNC headquarters next election
“Why did we loose that idiot Trump, AGAIN?!?”
“Formerly fringe ideas are now winning ones.”
That is yet to be seen. Popularity among the party elite doesnt necessarily translate to ‘winning’. Oh, and those fringe ideas are not new and edgy, they are old and stale. They have been tried before. They were relegated to the fringe a long time ago for a reason.
Ugh, it’s that Jacobin idiot. I think we can safely assume he’s full of shit.
Winning among primary voters, especially those motivated enough to turn out vs. those driven out by this new “liberals get the bullet, too” ethos, is a guarantor of nothing.
You’re livin’ in the past, man!
Did he say “winning?” I’m pretty sure the only winning is by a couple of outliers for a couple of house seats. There’s no evidence that these ideas will win in any substantial way. Most of the new reps are only famous for hilarious gaffes and anti-semitism. I doubt any “democratic socialist” can win in a nationwide election, ever.
The dems have went so far left, they think Obama is a centrist now. Hilarious.
Chocolate Jesus’s shine is starting to melt.
I am fairly certain he will be blamed eventually, when the woke crowd no longer can use the “you don’t love him because you are a racist” to protect him, for the demise of the party. I am fairly certain pehnoms like AOC and others of that ilk, as well as the derangement caused by Trump, come from the crooked, inept, and corrupt administration he ran.
It’ll be conditional, just like it is today. To the left, he was an ineffectual centrist. If the right dare criticize him, however, he morphs into a demigod. The left will do or say anything that centralizes power and will do or say anything to tear down institutions that try to decentralize power.
Yeah, I am afraid that once the general public finds out how corrupt and criminal that administration was, on top of being a ineffective and disastrously poor one, the left will not want to fight that fight anymore. Shit even Bill Clinton, whom was the real first black president, eventually lost his luster. But what do I know.
Well, Clinton realized the leftward lurch was going to be a disaster so he did rein them back in to a more centrist set of policies.
These fuckers all dream of being Stalin and are going break-neck speed to full communism.
What I find funny is that I remember Clinton saying some of the same thing Obama is now saying about his successor wanna-bes. Clinton felt Obama was too radical. Now Obama is saying the new crop is to radical.. Shit. I have felt the democratic party was home to some of the most stupid and evil people, mostly marxism peddling, fascist economic model implementing tools, for 5 decades now. These radical fucks have no problem playing dirty to get their way. Team red on the other hand is full of fucking pussies.
When you don’t have any real underlying principles other than the accumulation of political power, it’s always going to creep towards authoritarianism/totalitarianism. We’ve just picked up the pace in recent years.
Obamacare repeal
National reciprocity and other roll backs on gun control
Estate tax repeal
Bigger tax cuts
Defunding NPR, Planned Parenthood, a plethora of other lefty trojan horses
Immigration reform
Criminal Justice reform
As soon as the spineless, useless fucktard republicans get the house, senate and oval office they are gonna get right on that stuff.
As for the radical fucks, they dont just have no problem playing dirty, they prefer it that way. Every goddamned word out of their mouth is projection and lies. Every single bit of it is designed to deceive. Not one single thing they stand for isnt calculated to increase their own power at the expense of the citizenry. They have crept along so far now they feel comfortable saying this:
“During an interview with the Washington Post, the potential 2020 contender was pressed on whether he believed the U.S. could reinvent how it approached divisive issues that have contributed to current political paralysis or whether he thought it was impossible for the country to introduce any reforms.
“I’m hesitant to answer it because I really feel like it deserves its due, and I don’t want to give you a — actually, just selfishly, I don’t want a sound bite of it reported, but, yeah, I think that’s the question of the moment: Does this still work?” O’Rourke replied. “Can an empire like ours with military presence in over 170 countries around the globe, with trading relationships … and security agreements in every continent, can it still be managed by the same principles that were set down 230-plus years ago?”
America needs a strong man and Beto is just the man for the job.
“As soon as the spineless, useless fucktard republicans get the house, senate and oval office they are gonna get right on that stuff.”
Yeah, fuck them in the ass with a rusty chainsaw. The fact that I am forced to vote for these asshats to block the left basically deciding they want to recreate the USSR or Pol Pot’s Cambodia here in good old America as part of their fundamental change, really chafes me. Fuck team red.
“America needs a strong man and Beto is just the man for the job.”
BETA IS YOUR MAN!
They never really had the senate. They had it in name only. Barely.
I mean now they do, but no house.
The former president says he’s worried about ‘purity’ tests in the Democratic party. What he’s really worried about is his surrogates losing control of the party.
Was that the one by the guy from Jacobin? By all means, DNC, take your marching orders from the staff of Jacobin.
Those guys know what’s what.
‘You didn’t build that’ O’bumbles steered the party in this direction. Ooops! Took a wrong turn, didja? Who would have thought a brainwashed idiot that thinks socialism is a good idea would fuck things up? Whodathunkit?
a lever gun firing the 7.32x39mm round (which is close to the .30-30 in power) and that accepts AK magazines.
I would think the getting the magazine and the lever to get along might be difficult. They seem to want the same real estate under the receiver.
Unless you set it up as a bullpup, somehow. Which would be a crime against nature.
Put the magazine in the side, like the Sten.
or on top like a Japanese Type 99 light machine gun 😉
Can’t have one of things that goes up on a compliant gun.
To be a pedant it was a shoulder thing that goes up.
Winchester model 1895. Browning BLR. It can be done and done well. The only problem with the BLR is that it is heavy. The ’95 is nothing to sneeze at weight wise, but it can be done. I dont think I would choose the 7.62×39 (actually much lighter bullets than the 30-30) and short, straight walled, rimless cases are easier to work with. .308 winchester? 7mm08? 300 blackout is too feeble for my taste.
I am probably not the guy to ask. I dont do the people-guns thing. I prefer sporting arms for taking game.
6.5 Creedmore is what all the hipsters are into this week.
They’re are AR magazine fed bolt actions I believe. So it’s not entirely implausible.
*there
Kill me now. All week training delivered by a non-native English speaker with a heavy accent via a speaker phone.
Dood or lady?
Dood. Apparently knows his stuff but it’s tiring to listen and otherwise not a great instructor.
I had one of these guys that would utter the word “Uhmm” after every forth or fifth word…. That experience almost cost me my sanity.
I once had an interview with a heavily accented Indian dude – I really, really had to concentrate to hear what he was saying and often had to ask him to repeat the question.
Not one of my better potential job prospects.
Did he smell like curry or tumeric?
I once had a long distance Singaporean boss who lived in Singapore. It took me about a month before I didn’t have to interrupt every other sentence for clarification on one word or another. “Wait, after you said ‘get’ what did you say? OK. Yeah, the manual… OK. What? Make it do what?. OK… Yeah. See the finance manager? No. Oh, I see. OK. What? Take the what?…”
Great article, Animal! I bought an inexpensive Henry .22 and put an equally inexpensive caliber specific scope on it. Great fun for plinking and whistle pigs.
On a side note, Swissie nailed the morning links.
Dad hunts groundhogs with a .22-250
All you have to do is graze them. At that velocity it turns them inside out.
Yeah, that would do it. I have a cousin who uses 17 Remington. Same thing. I think you can miss them by a hair and the shockwave alone will send them off to play harps.
Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range?
I miss Mr Lizard.
Off to destroy other planets I suppose.
Every conceivable thing has been tried. I once suggested that perhaps rifling just the last 12 inches of a barrel might be a good way to squeeze a substantial amount of more velocity out of any cartridge. Turns out that’s been tried too. It works but the extra velocity causes the bullet to strip through the rifling.
“Ok, how about graduated rifling? Start out slow in the breech end and speed up the spin as the bullet approaches the muzzle?”
Well that’s been tried too. Oh well.
*You can lube jacketed bullets. You can also wrap bullets with teflon plumbing tape. Both of those techniques will give you up to 250fps more velocity out of standard rounds. So much so that it will change your point of aim.
All of these are interesting subjects to me.
I present the .17 Incinerator
I was fooled for a second. All I could think was that looks like a receiver explosion.
I am looking at load data for 220 swift now. 40grain Barnes’ jacked up to 4400 fps.
Good lord I bet you can shoot a barrel out inside of an hour with that.
I guy I knew in undergrad loaded his own ammo for a 22-250. With one loading he wasn’t even hitting the target anywhere. Turns out he had loaded it so fast that the copper jackets were stripping off as it left the muzzle – the lead cores were flying off in all directions and the copper jackets were lying on the ground a few feet ahead of the rifle muzzle.
Back in the mid-Nineties, when a gazillion surplus Mausers were being imported from the newly-freed Eastern Europe, I ran a little email newsletter on those guns called The Mauser Monthly. One of my regular contributors used to tell of the exploits of his wildcatter buddies Aimo and Delbert. I should see if I can find some of those old stories.
Just what you see here, pal.
I bought an inexpensive Henry .22
I’m very tempted to buy one of their .22 pump repro carnival guns. I have never seen one in the wild, though. Only the .22 lever.
Cool series, Animal. I sent all of them (I think) to my brother.
I wonder how much it would take for Henry to make a Glibs edition? Failing that, there is this one: https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-american-oilmantribute-edition/
Every town has an engraver/jeweler who would be happy to engrave a standard rifle. They usually do trophies and jewelry but would probably jump at the chance to custom engrave a rifle.
I should have read further down. Minimum order 10 guns. Now I’d have to find 9 glibs with a couple grand lying around who would all agree on the same model and caliber. And we can’t even agree on pizza.
Can I get mine engraved with a pineapple?
I’m thinking the Glibs logo, with “The Orphanator” for the gun’s name.
I might be amenable to kicking in on a .45Colt carbine with “Fuck off, slavers!” engraved on the receiver.
I would go with “Molon Labe” in the original Greek script
I liked this series. Thanks Animal!