The year was 1955, I had graduated from high school that May. I was a month shy of 18 at the time. I had joined the National Guard the year before, a lot of my friends had also joined as soon as we could. At the time the draft was still going on and by being in the Guard we weren’t draft eligible.
I lived in a northern Minnesota community, on the Cuyuna Iron Range, the smallest of the three Minnesota ranges. Many of my friends and classmates’ fathers were miners. Jobs were scarce and because I was not 18 I couldn’t even apply. I went off to Guard camp and was 18 when I came back at the end of June so I applied around but because I was late all the vacancies had been filled, but some of my school friends had gotten on. Nepotism was useful, having a family member working in a mine was a real help.
Anyway, I soon got a call at one of the mines, the father of the girl I had been dating was hiring foreman and my brother also worked at the same mine so the nepotism was alive and well. It was one of the smaller open pits. My first day on the job was blaster’s helper which allowed me to fill the charged holes with the handy wheel barrow and a #2 long handle shovel I’d been provided. Not romantic but still…
After one day I’d pretty well mastered the shovel/wheelbarrow operations so I got transferred to driller’s helper at the same pay level, #5. This was not a promotion. I carried water by the bucketful to the driller who seemed to not care how much he spilled as he was using it. I helped empty the mud from the drilled holes, meaning I got in the mud’s way as it splashed out of the mud bucket. I took samples and recorded the info in a log book. Hey, I was a high school graduate so I could do that administrative stuff. If you’ve ever met an open pit iron miner his clothes are rust color, his car is rust color, his wife is rust color, his kids are rust color. A driller is the top of the line rust color because he works in red mud all day.
I was like a pig in mud, so to speak. I had a job, I was making $1.86 @ hour, a grown up wage. Now I could get a car, some beer and with a little luck a girl friend since my old one had gone to school in Minneapolis and didn’t get home too often. After a few weeks I noticed my pay check had been docked a few dollars, I can’t remember how much but I’m thinking about 4 bucks. I asked the guys at work why that happened and they told me, “Oh, union dues” WTF is up with that? I don’t remember joining a union. “Oh, we have to belong to the Steel Workers Union to keep our job, it’s a closed shop”
“Well, what do we get for our money?” The driller said, “We are protected, no one can bump us, unless they have more seniority” “But” I said, “you may have noticed that I’m the youngest guy working here, everyone has more seniority than I have”. He said, “Yep, everyone here can bump you but since drilling is the crappiest job here and no one else wants it, you’re safe.”
Anyway, I was now a union member. The weeks went by, uneventful, pay was good, work was dirty but after Monday one didn’t get much dirtier the rest of the week. My mother took my clothes to the laundromat ’cause she didn’t want to get her wash machine filled with the red color. As we entered into fall the discussions were “I wonder when we get our pink slips” since the open pits didn’t work in the winter after freezing set in. Sometime around the first of November the foreman met us after our shift was over, handed out the pink slips. At that point many of the miners were happy, get their rocking chair money, do a little logging, fishing, many had small farms and could wait out the winter. I was not happy, I didn’t want to work in the cold but I still wanted a paycheck.
Then, sometime in January/February I got called back to work, we couldn’t drill but I got assigned to an older guy to lay a pipeline from the bottom of the pit, up the side and over the edge in to a holding pond. Every thing had to be ready by spring when the snow/ice was gone. Pipeline was about 4 inch diameter, maybe 20 ft long to a section. It was unbelievably cold, trying to work in the snow, climbing the sides of the pit. The other guy knew what was going on, I did what he told me but mostly I stayed in the little shack we had and kept throwing coal into a little stove to keep warm. I think it took us (the other guy did 90% of the work) about 2-3 weeks to do the job, I was miserable.
Then I got put on a jack hammer crew with my brother and a couple other young guys. We drilled holes in a road bed that was then blasted and dug out so the ore below the road could be mined when spring came. After one day on the jack hammer my wrists hurt so bad I could hardly work. The next day I shammed it, pretending to do a little and after 3-4 days I could actually produce a few holes in the frozen dirt. We did that for about 3 weeks and got laid off again, probably about the first of March, 1956. Jack hammer operators got driller’s wages so I was getting about $2.25 @ hour.
Finally, Spring came and we got called back to work, the company had a contract for the type of ore we had so a second shift was put on, a third shift on the drills. I was promoted to driller at 18, working with the old guys. The proverbial pig in mud, now I had a helper. Overtime, week ends, etc, money was good for a kid. Then Guard camp came and I needed a break, took my vacation so I got paid for both work and Guard.
Then strike talk! Our contract was over on June 30th, for the whole Cuyuna Range. Most of the old timers weren’t concerned, they lived like that their whole lives, a few days unpaid summer vacation and go back to work.
Not me! I ran around telling everyone that I wasn’t going to put with this crap. If the strike lasted over a week I was going to Man Up and join the Army! Well, the 8th day came, no sign of the strike being over. I convinced my brother that we both should go in the Army. We were both in the Guard so we volunteered to be drafted, that was only a 2 year commitment plus it allowed the draft board to meet the quota for the month a little easier.
The strike lasted 5 weeks, then back to work for 5 weeks before we got our military orders. Now I wasn’t too happy, we’d lost 5 weeks pay, got a modest pay increase, like 20 cents @ hour. The older guys got another week or two vacation but I’d lost 500 bucks at a job that lasted about 7 months a year at best and some years never saw the mines open for lack of a contract.
We did our Army time, I ended up in Germany, my brother in Greenland. When we go home the mine was closed that year, as were most on the Cuyuna Range. I walked across the street from the State Employment office to the Army Recruiter, got lined up with a long tech school and re-enlisted, my brother hung around, thinking something would change.
I did my 20 years Army time, a lot of it overseas. I had started going to college while I was in service and when I retired finished my last two years with a BS Ed. I never taught, my kids said I had no class. I was able to turn my education into second career in business.
If it had not been for the union and going on strike I might never have had a reason to leave Podunkville and learn all the things that experience and travel provide. I went from being a farm kid in the woods full circle and ended up about 4 miles from where I’d started in 1955. Now though, my wife and I are comfortable as the years pass us by. I credit the union with giving me the reason to look beyond the limited horizons that I had at 18. I can not thank the union enough. I never looked back except to wave good bye.
My union is more like a religion. The believers are insufferable. Hint at a slight annoyance with the union and they go to defcon 3.
Sounds like they are compensating for some repressed cognitive dissonance.
I’ve never been in a union or worked in a unionized company. Two things early on put me on the anti-union side.
(1) When I was in school in Boston, there was a union worker on the subway who let slip that everybody worked at the pace of the slowest worker so nobody would look bad. There were things he could do faster by himself, but he didn’t.
(2) My first job after law school was with a big firm that represented a lot of coal mines. I heard firsthand about the violence and thuggery involved in unions, especially during strikes. One of the partners had a big display in his office with probably 40 company logos on it. They were all unionized coal companies that had gone bankrupt.
I can’t stand to work at a pace other than my own. Slowing down to keep up with the slowpokes would have me gouging their eyes out before lunch.
Similar here. I’ve never been in a Union but I did work in a Union shop once.
It was at the Thermo King Air Conditioner plant in Montgomery Alabama, I was hired as a temp for what was apparently the worst job in the plant, sanding excess welding material off of Aluminum air conditioner frames (the big ones that go on trucks and trains and such things) and prepping them to be painted.
We had a mandatory 58 hour work week, 10 hours a day M-F and 8 on Saturday and since the plant was not air conditioned work started at 5 AM so it would be out before things got really hot. Me and the guys who worked on the paint line were isolated all the way off to one side of the plant, the guys closest to us were the welders who were about 50 yards away and my job was to take the assembled frames, each of which weighed between 50 and 120 lbs, drag them into my work area and then sand them so the edges were smooth with no bulges from the welds then move them over to the staging area for the paint line. It was hot sweaty manual labor that was every bit as dirty as working in the open pit mined described above and to keep the amount of lead dust you were inhaling to a minimum you had to wear protective gear including a pretty hefty air filtration system and you still managed to go home with silver metallic powder ground into your skin everywhere.
According to what I had been told they had to hire a new person for that job about every 3 weeks and the record for anyone holding it was 6 weeks because it was such a shitty job that people would just quit once they got their first paycheck. I didn’t mind it though. The hourly rate wasn’t great but the 18 hours a week of overtime made the take home pretty decent for the area and I was generally left by myself to work at my own pace, I’d only see the plant foreman every few days to get instructions on which frame styles were the priorities.
A couple of weeks in the guys on the paint line actually started talking to me and the one thing they kept saying over and over was “don’t work so fast, they’ll expect that out of all of us”. Thing was I didn’t think I was working partcularly fast. I was clearly keeping up with them and could easily have increased my output if I had needed to. 3 months in I caused quite a stir for 2 reasons. I did something that had never been done before. I caught up to the welders, there were no more frames ready for me to sand, more than that though I did the unthinkable, I left my station and headed off across the factory floor looking for Sully (I now cliche but yes the factory foreman’s name was Sully) told him I had finished everything and what did he want me to do next. The dude was flabbergasted, he had never seen such a thing, walked back over to my station to verify that yes I was in fact caught up and then told me to hang out for a few minutes and he’d come up with something.
Eventually he came back with the keys to a company truck, turns out that one of our frame models was too big to fit through our painting machinery and we had to send them out to an outside shop to be painted and we had a few that were ready to come back so I could drive out and get them.
After working with those union guys and watching how fundamentally lazy they were I determined that I would never be in a Union and I would never work for a Union shop again
I just love that the air conditioner plant wasn’t air conditioned.
Haha. You beat me to it.
My most vivid experience with union workers was going on a tour of a US Steel plant in Michigan City. I was interviewing for a controller engineer position, and the absolute disdain I saw toward me and the other dressed up candidates on the site tour was incredible to me.
The only person who wasn’t a complete asshole during the entire experience was the bus driver.
Great story! Thanks for sharing.
I worked alongside some union folks when I was an undergrad. I wasn’t allowed to join the union as I was a part-time employee. The union guys were the laziest SOBs I ever had the misfortune to work around. It was a very weird experience reading your descriptions of union guys working. I guess times were different back then.
I like your account of your life.
Night shift drillers had a little ‘down time’ ’cause there were no foremen around. Always left night shift refreshed. Foremen were company and not union and got bonuses based on production, I’m guessing.
My union activly agitates against the interests of its members.
I want to see how the leavers are punished come next contract before leaving, now that closed shops are outlawed.
That ought to be interesting. Let us know how that turns out.
What a great story, Fourscore!
Thanks for this, man. Glad you got out (and back in).
Nice article 4score.
My first union experience was at a foundry in Wisconsin. Another engineer and I were automating a propane tank farm. I need to install some relays in an electrical cabinet. I opened my tool bag and took out a screwdriver. The union electrician’s eyes got wide, his face got red. He shouted at me, “If you so much as touch that cabinet, I’m gonna report you to the union steward!”
So I handed him my screwdriver. He refused to use it because it wasn’t union made.
I had to wait 20 minutes for him to come back with his own tools. Then it was break time. He came back an hour later. It took him another hour to install 4 relays. Then it was lunch time. It took him the rest of the day to install the rest of the relays. Then it was quitting time.
After he left, it took me another hour to fix his wiring mistake. We verified that everything worked with the PLC program and headed out into the blizzard. It took us 8 hours to drive back to Minneapolis. If not for that fat union electrician we could have beat the blizzard and been snug in our beds.
Your mistake was not shivving him with the screwdriver when he said that.
He refused to use it because it wasn’t union made.
That can’t be real.
Totally true
Realistically, what could the steward have done? What would the actual repercussions have been for telling him to take his steward and go fuck themselves?
Cut tires, broken windows keyed doors……
Yup. Plus whatever they could do (and it would be a lot) to make your actual work day miserable.
Shit man, you CA people really are soft.
The Molly Macguires are still treated with the same reverence in coal country as Washington and Lincoln.
Nope, seen it myself.
Oh yeah it is real. I have seen worse.
One of my friends had a union say they would not support a candidate he was a worker for (the day they were supposed to walk several precincts) since his chief of staff owned a foreign made car. My buddy (after almost passing out) corrected them about where it was made and managed to get them back walking the precincts, but that was how far they were ready to go in the late 1980s.
I was a contractor to GM for a short time and it went from “foreign-made bad” to “not UAW bad” because of the new practice of domestic-made “foreign cars”.
I’ve heard those stories out of Chicago. I was wiring my brother’s garage, went to Home Depot in Waukegan. They didn’t have plastic outlet boxes, I asked why? The clerk said “Its a union town, metal boxes take longer to install”. I explained that code encouraged plastic, he shrugged and said, “I know”. We went out side of town and found what we were looking for.
The Chicago plumbers union has been pretty effective at keeping PEX completely prohibited by the city’s building code. Awesome for guys that make $35 an hour to sweat copper pipe together, sucks for homeowners dealing with said copper pipe when it busts open in the dead of Chicago winter.
NYC – (the 5 boroughs) requires BX (i.e. armored) cable in everything. The argument is that it is more resistant to rodents, the reality is that it harder to install and requires more labor.
Are you a communist carrying Wiha tools? (Probably made by unionized Germans of course.) Or are you a red blooded American carrying Klein tools in bag?
Full disclosure I like and use both!
Also was a member of the United Food and Commercial Workers’ Union when I worked at the local supermarket which was a closed shop. Even as a teenager I hated that union.
I went to graduate school and the professor of one of my management classes had the union spokesperson for my particular union give a talk in my class. I knocked him for a surprise when I identified myself as a former member and started asking him how all the bizarre work rules I was quoting benefited labor. He wasn’t used to somebody who knew the work rules in public forum.
How much did the guy end up stammering?
It was rather humorous watching him spin. I was all of 23 years old or so and he was an experienced spokesperson so I wasn’t able to really go toe to toe with him.
Great story 4×20! It must have been pretty bad to join the Army. I hope I get to 80,
Cheers
You’ll get there, walk slowly and jangle to paraphrase Satchel Paige
Fun, travel, adventure. What’s not to love about the Army?
Getting yelled at, getting shot, getting no say in your own existance.
And that’s the best part! After that is breakfast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_OCDJIT344&app=desktop
It has to be said after the last comment.
Good article Fourscore, mahalo.
Is that a #$%&ing Gamma Goat they are unloading?!
I arrived at my unit right as the transition from Gama Goat to HMMWV as prime mover for the Vulcan was starting. I REALLY miss that goat. They were tremendous fun to drive.
*internet searches “gama goat”
I want one!
Critically marred by John Wayne not calling his 1SG “top”.
Note to Uncivil, FTA has other meanings but only fun travel adventure if pressed.
Mustangs/retreads know other defintions
I may have been an LTC at retirement, but I was a Private at the beginning….
*grins at FTA*
Getting stuck at fort Campbell for six years.
When i was in high school, I was involved in community theater, and when there weren’t any roles for teenaged males to be found, I worked the technical side of things. I got certified as an electrician at the biggest Performing Arts Center in Tulsa, but was never allowed to work In the biggest “house” because it was reserved for union members. Since I was still in high school and only “working” for fun and access to easy women, it made not a bit of sense to shell out for dues.
When I saw the title I thought you were going to regale us with your time spent in the war of
northern aggressionreunification. Always next time I guess. Good story.Thanks Fourscore, you are writing some great stuff.
I’ve never been in a union, but a good friend of mine retired from the local police force and is now a union operator. He basically drives a big truck at a landfill, though he’d rather be the one doing the digging. His stories sound a lot like yours, with the seasonal time off and seniority issues. Interesting how in some ways not much has changed in 60+ years.
Union music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtiaReNsHOo
Excellent article, 4×20!
My one and only union experience: my first job after my post-doc was working for a scientific instrument company. We had developed a state-of-the-art system for doing particular chemical characterizations. And of course, it was expensive and not trivial to use. This was in the mid-1980s. And at that time, defense contractors were absolutely flush with money, enough so that when a giant aerospace firm (unionized, of course) bought one, they also hired me away to run the instrument and do some research with it.
I arrived in California at the same time as the crate. The crate was unpacked by the receiving crew, and the plumbers and electricians set up the required utilities and hooked it up to the compressed air, electricity, water, and gas lines. I turned it on, ran through the basic alignment, and started getting data during my first week. Then my boss asked me to come over to his office to have a talk.
He looked unhappy and had several sheets of paper. “Guess what? You just had a union grievance filed against you.”
“Whaaaaat?”
“Did you set up the instrument?”
“Not really, I just adjusted the mirrors because they go out when you ship the machine.”
He dialed a number and a couple of other guys joined us.
“These are the crew from the calibration shop. They filed the grievance.”
“What was the problem?”
One of the guys responded, “You were doing something with that new machine. You’re a scientist, so you’re not allowed to do that, it must be done by the calibration shop.”
“Have you ever seen one of these before?” I asked.
“Nope.”
“Do you know how to do the alignment?”
“Nope.”
“Do you know how this instrument works?”
“Nope.”
“Then how are you supposed to do this?”
“Union rules. Anything involving alignment or calibration has to be done by our shop.”
I got hit with a $500 penalty, and a “suggestion” from my boss that in cases like this, call the calibration shop, they’ll send two people up who will sit and watch me do the work while they’re on the clock.
That was the day I decided that I was getting out of aerospace and would never, ever work in a union shop again.
You should have broken the faces of the guys who filed the grievence, their steward, and shot the union’s mob boss sixteen times.
Just to send a message. That’s how you survive in a unions shop.
Takes a union guy to move a boat at a sports show. I hope you were able to pass on the 500 to the contract. OMWC
I can imagine them trying to fine the river current for moving the boat without a union guy on board…
My favorite are the unionized electricians plugging in extension cords at the show.
Yep. Was just about to mention that. Paying a small fortune to have some extension cords plugged in at a convention.
Step 1 – wrap the cord tightly about the union “Electrician”‘s neck.
Step 2 – tighten until airways are closed and “electrician” expires.
Step 3 – Unwrap cord.
Step 4 – plug in the extension cables.
Union riggers are my favorite “you will not believe what we’re paying for’ story here. Especially they they caused the only fatality we’ve had here.
Vegas is notorious for this.
So…you have been to McCormick Place in Chicago then?
I used to work for a small software company. We used to do a trade show in Chicago every year. Then we got bought out by a larger southern company. We did the trade show as usual after getting bought and forwarded the expense report to HQ. That was the last time we did that show. Then they wondered why our sales dried up. We were like, “Yeah, it’s fucking expensive. Don’t you think we did that math on that when were a rinky-dink small shop?”
Wait…you actually had to pay $500 out of your own pocket? To who, the union coffers, I suppose?
Yes on both counts.
That is perverse. Gawd I hate unions. I’m so happy to have never been in one. I was however a
picket line crosserscab for about 3 weeks once. One of my prouder moments.At my Large Aerospace Co the union factory workers went on strike. Mgt and engineering kept the plant going – with increased productivity. We also discovered that some testing had been signed off as completed even though the necessary equipment wasn’t working.
Strike only lasted two weeks.
To get parts from the development site to the test site was about a 20-minute drive. We (engineering) weren’t allowed to deliver it ourselves. We had to take the stuff to the loading dock for the union toads. No telling how long they would take. UNLESS the delivery needed to be make on second shift after the union guys had gone home then we could do it. Funny how everything not needing a fork lift moved after 4:30.
He looked unhappy and had several sheets of paper. “Guess what? You just had a union grievance filed against you.”
I worked at a defense contractor after I received my undergrad.
I don’t remember what it was I was going to move. It might have been a computer monitor. Or a table. I don’t remember. Anyways, my coworkers warned me not to move it or the union would file a grievance. “Only they can move stuff like that!”
When I left, I was happy. My last boss called me up about six months after I left to get me to come back. I told him no.
LOL, sounds about right.
/experiences with General Dynamics
Being in the rust belt, most of my encounters with unions have been… less than positive. Lots of places going on strike as I was growing up, only for the strike to end, and the company to go under in the next couple of months (or close, or relocate, etc.). Several of my friends got part time jobs in the supermarkets (which were union), and got paid minimum wage, of which they had to pay union dues. Then there was the time I was working a retail job, the company was remodeling the store, and went with the lowest bid (which was non-union). For the next two days, as a teenager, I got the joy of crossing a picket line outside the doors to the store. The union people would also come into the store, fill carts up with merchandise, take it up to the register, then ask what the pickets outside were about. When they were told it was union picketing, they would loudly proclaim how they couldn’t shop here and their family was union supporters for the past X decades, and walk away from (or dump) the carts. They were disrupting the business enough that the company sued them and got them banned from the stores, and sent to “designated picket areas” which were at the entrances to the parking lot for the mall the (free-standing) store was located in.
“Lots of places going on strike as I was growing up, only for the strike to end, and the company to go under in the next couple of months (or close, or relocate, etc.). ”
Happened to my best friend’s dad. Twice.
I was once working as an engineering at an electronics company. I had a prototype that wasn’t throwing exceptions on the bench the way it was on the factory floor. I knew I was crossing the Teamsters to do it, but I threw it in my trunk and drove it a few miles the the factory and did some QA there. Do not recommend.
So what was causing the problem with the prototype in the factory?
The Users, or some unaccounted for condition in the area?
some other unaccounted for condition. Turns out a supply closet in the corporate building doesn’t have the same power supply or EM noise that a manufacturing shop and distribution hub has. Who knew?
I had to know from a curiousity perspective.
Also, it’s not unknown for unions guys to sabotage any attempt at updating tech if they think it might change how things are done.
Happened to my dad, but he was management (at an auto plant). Every day on my drive home I get to pass a billboard put up by the unions saying “Right to Work is a LIE”. One of the call centers I worked at had some people decide to try to organize a union there. It failed, there were grievances filed with the NLRB, and the call center was closed within the year.
“got paid minimum wage, of which they had to pay union dues”
This also happened in my town. A bunch of people I knew in high school agitated to get unionized, and it worked, and the only change was that they made less money every month. No change to working environment or pay.
Hopefully they learned something from that lesson. There were several of us working at a McDonald’s in High School that were there when the minimum wage was bumped up. The stores response was to raise everyone below the new minimum wage just to the new one (instead of adding on our raises we had earned previously). I don’t think any of us were there two months after that bullshit happened.
Several of my friends got part time jobs in the supermarkets (which were union), and got paid minimum wage, of which they had to pay union dues.
Yeah, the union really earned their dues for the entry level workers, didn’t they?
Rainbow Foods, Twin Cities, strike, out of business
There was a Swift’s turkey processing plant in my hometown. It was unionized. Swift’s sold that plant to some other company and the union decided to squeeze the new owners. The new company told them, that the plant was hanging on by a thread and that there was no money for raises. And if they went on strike that would be it. They’d just close the plant.
Union called a strike and learned the hard way that the new owners were not bluffing. About 100 or so people lost decent paying jobs because their national union forced the issue.
Most of them ended up working in a non union plant that was 20 miles away for less money. Wonder what they think of their union reps?
It turned the youngest Altar Boy into an anti-union zealot. Cashier at Cub Foods and was PISSED the union would take his money.
Unions are the #2 reason for illegal aliens. Minimum Wage laws are #1, although the unions were behind that so there’s basically no difference.
Then there was the time I was working a retail job, the company was remodeling the store, and went with the lowest bid (which was non-union)
A company I worked for did that. In Massachusetts. Not smart. The union picketed the building for a while.
One of my coworkers commented about how the picketers were blocking traffic at one point and weren’t allowed to do that. I remember laughing at him. He wasn’t as bright as he thought he was. He was on his local school board, but I’m repeating myself.
Great article Fourscore! Keep writing, I really enjoy reading your articles.
I grew up in a town where the big employers were union. My grandfather was union. A couple of uncles were union. A cousin was union. I was still a teenager when I decide unions were terrible things. Note, there are fundamental differences between collective bargaining and government-protected unions.
I watched the unions destroy a couple of local industries before I got out of college.
I’ve been in a couple unions – they got their hooks in some of the larger supermarket and hotel chains. An absolute joke. You’re making pennies over minimum wage, all of it goes back to the union, and the work environment is toxic. Yay? Became a cubicle drone a couple decades ago and never looked back.
Nowadays my only interaction with unions is living with the shitty public services they feed off of and slowly destroy.
Great story Fourscore. It sounds reminiscent of my father and his experience with the coal mines in Southwest VA.
He says he lasted two weeks before he said “That’s enough of that.” and joined the AF. Best thing that ever happened to him was leaving.
Sounds like my father and his 6 months of railroad experience, too. Except that about a year after joining the AF he said “Wow, this is nearly as bad as the union.” Basically they both want to see how much shit you’ll eat, and once you’ve eaten so much shit that they have your loyalty, they give you a cushy job for a while knowing they have you by the balls. My dad got out of the AF at his first opportunity, about 1955/6. Some of the old-timers told him “Relax, you won’t get sent to Korea, you have specialized skills we can’t risk losing.” Which he knew was complete bullshit.
Yeah, dad never forgave them for gassing him in boot camp. Once his four years were up, he was gone.
I still don’t know how people can operate in that shit…I still have nightmares of getting CS’d.
Ahh, yes, CS gas. What a joy.
What I like is how the NBC NCOs are all just dying to gas three classes of people, in order:
(1) Officer Candidates
(2) Officers
(3) All other humans
“SidestraddlehopssandpushupsnowMOVE! Get those masks off! GET ‘EM OFF!!!” (while the fog billows from the utterly excessive use of CS gas in the single-wide trailer).
I loved the gas chamber. Went back several times without my mask.
It wasn’t boot camp, he knew what to expect from that going in and he understood it. It was the lie upon lie afterwards that pissed him off.
Sometimes you are a Union man until you aren’t. Then you get a statue. Then you get your name dragged through the mud and history distorted to the extent of being propaganda. Then you are erased from history.
Charlottesville’s Confederate monuments are here to stay, a Virginia judge ruled this week, reigniting debate over whether statues of Gens. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson deserve a place in the public square.
“While some people obviously see Lee and Jackson as symbols of white supremacy, others see them as brilliant military tacticians or complex leaders in a difficult time,” Judge Richard E. Moore of the Charlottesville Circuit Court says in a letter detailing his decision. “In either event, the statues to them under the undisputed facts of this case still are monuments and memorials to them, as veterans of the Civil War.”…
“It’s based on a flawed law, so the law doesn’t make much difference,” Bob Fenwick, a former Charlottesville City Council member, tells the local CBS affiliate. “It was a public process, it was a lawful process, so that’s our case.”
The law is flawed, and it should be amended. If a local governing body may erect monuments without state approval, it follows naturally that the exact same officials should be permitted to follow the exact same processes for their removal. They know the needs of their constituents far better than state officials, who are further removed from the daily goings-on in local communities.
Charlottesville’s leaders have spoken, and they believe the monuments should come down. And they should.
a Charlottesville resident—notes, those concerns are misplaced when considering the historical context, much of which is unknown among many people born and bred in the South. He writes of his experience in 1963:
My third grade Virginia history book referred to the Civil War as the War Between the States and asserted that that conflict was chiefly over state’s rights. Virginia Generals Lee, Jackson, and Stuart were portrayed as honorable and heroic defenders of Southern rights.
Not much has changed. I grew up in Virginia a few decades later, and my teachers up through high school described the Civil War as a violent skirmish waged over federalism. It wasn’t until after I graduated from the University of Virginia in 2013 that I learned the central role played by slavery.
I’m going to call bullshit. In fact, my experience is the exact opposite. It was always “muh slavery” until I grew up and started actually reading more stuff from different sources (including the first inaugurals of Lincoln and Davis, which provide a lot of insight to motivations/goals). The nuance of history does not exist in gradeschool.
I’m actually willing to give that guy some credit on his story. Living in Memphis during the ’80s and ’90s, I ran into some hard core Southerners who still referred to the War Between the States (or the War of Northern Aggression) and celebrated Robert E. Lee Day instead of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
They knew about slavery aspect. But 30 years earlier? Yeah, I can see them acting like a Japanese history teacher and glossing over some ugly parts of their history.
BTW, the vast majority of the hard core Southeners I met weren’t racists. They just didn’t like the way they lost the war and now are portrayed by Yankees as backward losers. They were people who liked where they lived and wanted to put the best shine on their history.
“Shine” – Racisss!
Hard to argue with that. If those idiots want to take them down, I don’t see why the state should stop them. (assuming they still belong to the city and aren’t part of some state historical site)
Thanks for the story 4score, Im a younger glib so I always appreciate a firsthand account of things that happened before my time.
Very OT, but I’m preparing a (very) short talk and decided to talk about how FDR is one of the most overrated presidents in US history. I wanted to ask the glibs here some examples of the evil shit he did. I’ll be talking about the internment camps and the court-packing, but wasn’t sure if yall had any other recommended topics.
Talk about the internment camps, but don’t use FDR’s name and don’t specify the ethnicity. Just say that you want to talk about the president’s plan to find every resident that looks like they belong to a country we declared war on after a surprise attack. Describe the peace-loving American citizens that were pulled out of their homes and put into camps. Talk about how he has a plan to stack the Supreme Court with his allies so that his “put citizens in camps” plan is never ruled unconstitutional. Basically, make it sound like Trump.
Then make your last line “And that is why FDR is the worst president ever.”
^ this would be really great ^
YAAAAASSSS….
Worse than Wilson (spits)?
I watched the Obama administration deal with its recession in the same manner FDR dealt with his. Every time the economy tried to struggle back to its feet there was a new policy there, ready to knock it back down.
For example, during the great depression the banks had worked out a way to recover. Then FDR closed them and instituted a whole range of banking regs as a 1-2 punch.
The entire New Deal was a Bad Deal for freedom and economics. The depression didn’t really end until the bastard died and most of the regulations were repealed.
Reminds me of this gem
https://imgur.com/a/EPRXx2p
Unfortunately, the format of the talk doesn’t really lend itself to that kind of twist.
That’s easy:
– As mentioned, internment camps
– Gold confiscation (with specific attention to how he screwed over owners on the pricing)
– Packing the court
– His treatment of Jesse Owens
– His racism in general
Not to mention his management strategy was from hell. He liked to reserve the right for a final decision on everything to himself so he would give subordinates with different opinions overlapping responsibilities so they would have to come to him for a final decision. This also carried over into the war.
Burning food, to “support prices” for farmers.
Wickard v Filburn
Imitating the totalitarian states with the CCC, WPA, etc.
Giving “Uncle Joe” Stalin everything he wanted.
That was particularly egregious, imo. Artificially inflate the price of food in a time when people are starving. What an asshole.
When is your talk? I wrote a paper about this in undergrad. Now if I can find it…
Monday. I’m a bit of a procrastinator. Don’t go looking for it on my account, but I’m sure others here would love to read it in article form.
FDR is responsible for Wickard, which codified the ridiculously expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause and effectively negated most limits on federal power.
Not sure if Ill have time to work Wickard v Filburn in as I’m going with things he did that don’t need much explanation so to why they were bad policy. However, how much of Wickard can be blamed on FDR? Was it decided by justices he nominated?
I was briefly in a union – in high school I got an after-school job at a warehouse at a measly $3.25 (or was it $3.35?) an hour. Not bad/not great – enough $$$ to put gas in the tank and buy the occasional quarter of weed. And then I noticed the union dues coming out of my paycheck. Enough that once a month my paycheck would drop from (this is from memory) from $50 a week to $20. Needless to say that pissed me off to no end.
What did the union do for us? I have no idea but we did get a turkey (in a can) for Thanksgiving. And I voted for Union prez, treasurer, etc even though I had no idea who anyone was.
An aside – my old man was a strike breaker at a big local retail chain. Union refused to work? He, along with a team of other managers brought in, would take over the store and run the cash registers, stock the shelves, etc until the union folded to the demands. Funny thing – my grandfather was a GM union man; managed to get some good disability benefits that he needed because he was essentially crippled.
There was a point where unions went from being worker-protection organizations to protection rackets. Basically, once the really egregious stuff was codified into law, the union leadership realized they were no longer necessary unless they upped the extortion stakes.
For most of the history of my union, the membership vote on a contract was basically a rubber stamp. Low turnout, little opposition.
Then came the first contract in its history to be rejected by the membership. Something like 70+% turnout in the vote and 70+% “No” vote. The response of the leadership was not to find out why the members didn’t like the contract (It was basically a big double middle finger to the people who actually did work so the ‘leadership’ could cozy up to Andy) Instead they doubled down and campaigned against the members, trying to pressure them into voting yes. The “revised” agreement squeaked past a ‘yes’, but the leadership who’d been in office for decades got voted out, then every election since has had anti-incumbent results.
OT: Get Your Pork Belly Futures Now
TRUMPZ TRADE WARZ DONE IT!!!
Uffda. Given the title of this piece, your age and where you live Fourscore, I came in here expecting to read some account of how you defected to the CSA during the War Between the States.
Good story. And I’m glad to hear that I won’t have to learn the words to Dixie before this year’s Honey Harvest.
” I won’t have to learn the words to Dixie”
If your company decides to go union, with the support from the MN capitol you may have to learn “The Yellow Rose of Texas” and a little two steppin.
At least the BBQ is fantastic.
*Memphis Elvis Sneer* at the idea that Texass has BBQ that would be a patch Memphis BBQ.
*Will grant the fact that Texas at least has BBQ (unlike those knuckleheads in Kansas City)
*plants Ohio flag down*
Hell, we’ve even got BBQ here in Cleveland.
Although, I did like the Commissary.
Memphis BBQ is the nation’s worst. Bar none. Carolina style is better, and it’s not even BBQ.
I’m a BBQ slut. I haven’t eaten BBQ that I didn’t like. Now, there are some that are better than others, but I like it all.
If you ever find yourself down South Miami way, this place is well worth a visit. When I was a kid, they didn’t have walls, just picnic tables under a big awning. Hurricane Andrew flattened them so they rebuilt and now you can eat swine in air-conditioned comfort.
https://shiversbbq.com/
What gets me is that with all the ass-raping of taxpayers that the pubsec unions practice, there is no shortage of media attention being paid to all the waste and fraud – whether it’s 20% of the bus fleet out of service every day in SF because they get unlimited “sick” days or it’s Long Island railroad workers padding their pensions with 16 hours of overtime 365 days a year, ad infinitum – and yet… absolutely nothing changes. Oh sure, sometimes a big-wig “vows” to “fix” things when the heat gets too much. Until the next union contract is signed which gives them everything they ever wanted and the ratchet tightens further.
Repeat after me: Concentrated benefits, diffuse costs.
I’d like to see some studies and subsequent media coverage on what what pubsec union workers tend to do at retirement. A popular thing seems to be to move to states where their pensions aren’t taxed.
Most IL pubsec folks seem to end in FL, TX , AZ or TN. 3 of those have no income tax – however, IL does not tax retirement income….I expect that to go away, as the state approaches bankruptcy. Then, IL will lose 250K residents in 2-3 years.
I was surprised to note recently that PA doesn’t tax retirement income either. Several others too.
If IL and PA were to do so, they would lose a large amount of people, very quickly.
Pennsylvania wouldn’t lose as much as Illinois. Pennsylvania’s government philosophy is to be marginally better than our neighbors, so even if they decided to tax retirement income they would keep the rates lower than the surrounding states. The only people that would leave are retirees that are willing to move a few states away to save money, and most people that fit that description already leave for more southern climes already. Everyone else would grumble, say “well it’s still better than Maryland/ Jersey/ New York/ Ohio” and stay put.
Thus the poconos. Plenty of retired people from New Jersey and New York. Lower cost of living, lower taxes especially on retirement income, but still close enough to family.
Hell, in NYC I have had several coworkers living in the Poconos already. It’s like a 2-hour commute but hey why not.
It’s common enough that Pike county is considered part of the NYC metropolitan area, the only county in PA considered as such. You can go really far on a NYC salary in suburban Pennsylvania, if you can deal with the commute.
One of my coworkers on the grocery night shift has sizable spread in PA. He works days slinging baggage at JFK (been there almost 30 years), then nights slinging groceries in the Rockaways (been at our store for 25 years). He often sleeps in his car in the parking lot.
Great story, Fourscore.
When I was still in high school my dad enlisted me to help him set up his company’s booth at a trade show. We arrived at the convention center and made our way to the area where the booth was being set up. It was all complete save for the tables and an extension cord to power the lighting for the product displays. I thought nothing of it, grabbed the extension cord and started looking for an outlet. My dad looked at me in horror, but before he could say anything some guy immediately came running up furiously yelling at me. I had no idea that extension cords could only be plugged in by union electricians. Once that was done, we waited for another guy to set up the folding tables and staple the decorative fabric to the sides. Sometime prior to this I had to take a standardized exam in school that was somehow supposed to help you choose a lifelong career path. It was long, painfully monotonous and often bordered on nonsensical. One of the questions that I distinctly remember to this day was, “Are you interested in tying strips of leather into bundles?” I remember reading that and thinking, “man, there sure must be some sad sack losers out there,” but after that day at the convention center it all started to make sense.
When the Marines were teaching me to repair navigational aid equipment at NAS Memphis, you had to get a union guy to move test equipment between labs. So if you wanted to move your oscilloscope across the hall, you had to wait for the hack to show up.
The union was almost 100% old retired ex-military guys. They spent almost all their time drinking coffee and telling sea stories to each other. So getting them to move stuff had to wait until they were done with that.
I had no idea that extension cords could only be plugged in by union electricians.
One of my grandfathers had a story like that. He used to sing with a chorus that would do carols at Christmas, stuff like that. So they were warming up before a performance once and their mikes go out. He looks around and sees that someone has tripped over an extension cord and unplugged it. He goes over to plug it back in so they can continue to practice. From across the room some mook starts screaming at him “NO NO NO! PUT THAT DOWN!!” He runs over and says that a union man has to plug it in.
Grandpa: “So plug it in then.”
Union mook: “That’s not my job, you gotta find the guy who plugged it in the first time.”
Grandpa: “Well where is he?”
Union mook: “How the hell should I know? That’s your problem.”
OT, though somehow seems appropriate:
Florida Man and Florida Woman joining forces.
http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/key-west-exposure-278495
well they did forma union
Never been in a union myself. I’m guessing my mom’s dad was, being a factory worker at the Grumman plant on Long Island, but he certainly never said anything about it so I’m guessing he viewed it as a necessary inconvenience of the job. My other grandfather owned a garage with his brother in law, so they were management, and later on he moved into white collar jobs.
One uncle used to captain a tugboat in NY Harbor. They went on strike against Moran in the late-80s, which dragged on for a long time. Money ran out, the strike continued, so my uncle considered crossing the line and going back to work like a lot of the crewmen did. He got nonstop threats for it, phone calls in the middle of the night, etc. So he said “fuck it” and got a new job. Never went back to the water even though he loved that job. Never wanted to deal with union bullshit again.
I have worked in factories that are union shops. My father worked as a Tech in a non-union factory most of his life and had no love for them.
Most of my interactions with unions were neutral, but some were really volatile.
My first real job out of college I was hired to develop a line of products that used thin film deposition processes to create their active elements. The primary process used a ancient Physical Vapor Deposition machine that was custom made by this company 20 years ago and another that was retrofitted 10 year old machine. These machines crated a vapor of metal and ceramics that is generated by a plasma created in a vacuum chamber. It deposits films on everything inside the machine including your product. The rest of the machine is shielded by Stainless steel or Aluminum barriers that get coated extensively as well. The targets of the material to be deposited wear out and have to be replaced on a routine basis so the shields needed to be cleaned off and replaced at the same time to reduce build up and dust.
The union tech arranged that the machine would be down for 2 days when this maintenance was needed and that it was on a weekend, hello built in OT. I was in-charge of the process development and improving the existing ones. I found out that the tech would keep the machine down while he changed the targets, cleaned the machine, and shields. I purchased replacement shields and target assemblies, and instituted a counter on the Amp hours used. So the machine maint. could be planned for and done in 2-3 hours and the machine brought back to production in less than 6 hours instead of 2-3 days.
The maintenance tech tried to justify to his boss why it should still take him 3 days of OT every 3-4 weeks, but eventually I became the guy who had grievances filed every time I touched a tool. I really had a FU attitude about it. There are several more instances of this type at this company during my time there.
Its normal that I get an erection when reading about how PVD works, right?
I don’t know about “normal” but it definitely results in a much nicer finished product after the film of vaporized metal and ceramics is applied to it.
There is several vacuum pumps, high voltage, and a lot of sputtering involved.
One of my grad papers was on organometallic vapor-phase epitaxial deposition.
Wanna go on a date?
Sweet,
I can whip out my thesis on pulsed laser deposition of YBCO thin films. A Beer maybe.
My favorite is the giant inflatable rats they set up in front of businesses that don’t sufficiently cave to their demands. That’s like a flashing sign encouraging me to shop there.
I usually feel the urge to find a pellet rifle.
LOL. My buddy who’s a project manager with a large roofing company got hit by the union up outside of Philadelphia last fall.
He was working with non-union labor on a building behind some trees but didn’t get it finished before the leaves came off. Some union guys came in and trashed the jobsite and rolled over a boom forklift. He knows it was the union because they took some specialty equipment only a roofer would want.
When I was a young newlywed, I lived in a shitty little apartment. The guy across the hall worked at one of the big factories in town — a union shop. We would play cards on the weekends in the middle of winter when there was really nothing else for broke people to do. One weekend, he was joking about getting an unexpected two-week paid vacation. He had been caught smoking pot in the restroom on his morning break. He worked on a sheet-metal stamping machine that could remove someone’s arm. He was written up and given a two-week, paid suspension. He explained that he could get suspended a couple more times with pay before he would get suspended without pay. Only then, would he be on a track to get fired.
This was when my hatred of unions really crystallized.
Man. Union stories turn me off unions faster than divorce stories turn me off marriage.
Over/Under on when IT becomes a mature enough industry to be infested with unions?
I really, really hope that I’m done and retired by then. One of the best things about IT now is that a) if you are good you can rise as far as you want and b) if you are bad you will be run out of the shop.
As IT shops transition from a wild west mentality to a more conventional work place, I think the also rans will start to agitate for a union. For sure the govt IT shops will be the first. But once the slugs see what is possible they will try it in the private work places too.
The idea keeps popping up every couple of years. Thankfully, I think most IT people (myself included) think that they’re in the upper percentile of their team, and see the union as catering to the weakest link (the person who’s making all those mistakes that have to be cleaned up). I’m sure it’ll happen at some point, if I had to guess, it’ll be networking/data/telecom first with coding going last.
Boeing engineering is unionized.
Craft or industrial?
The guys and gals that design, integrate, and test the aircraft and its installed systems.
My question was more oriented towards the type of union. Although few and far between, some craft unions still exist and serve some purpose in helping train the next generation of workers.
We’ll see if any data-workers ever unionize. I’m not sure how it will go. I know when the VFX industry was pushing for that a few years ago, all the shoppes in the west ended up closing and the Reserve Army of Labor in the East does all the VFX now.
It appears that western developers thinking that they are irreplaceable by the Reserve Army of Labor in the East as well.
TW Kotaku
https://kotaku.com/unions-stole-the-show-at-last-nights-gdc-awards-1833478003
Well, that’s depressing. My field is finance – good luck trying to get your hooks into us, you fucking bloodsuckers.
Yeah, the one thing that keeps it from happening is that the first shops to be unionized will see insane amounts of brain drain as people flee in horror.
Like Neph says, good people will see the union as a way to harness themselves to the shitty people on their team. Why stick around for that?
Yeah, I’ve been reading about this threat for years. And you are absolutely right that it will be the dead weight voting for it. No one else in their right mind would want this.
I belong to the UFCW. I am a shop of one and seeing as the company took over the contract, they took me on at union rate but I essentially work on a day rate. Four hours, ten hours, all the same. Totally against union rules but fuck them sideways. They’ve done nothing for me except garnish my pay and send me a calendar, once.
Undocumented Foreign Colored Women.
I think if it was to ever happen it would have already. IT is too segmented and specialized for unions to take over, and whatever aspects they might succeed at can pretty easily be outsourced to overseas data centers.
I can see it now. “Hey, you know some Java. Wanna work on this project?”
“Yes, but I only do C#. Find someone else.”
–Sorry, but I’ve hit my limit of lines of code today.
–But they were all comments!
–Take it up with the Union Rep.
Even unions won’t be able to get programmers to actually comment their code.
Over/Under on when IT becomes a mature enough industry to be infested with unions?
Hopefully never.
Whenever I hear IT folks talk about wanting a union, my first thought is that person is incompetent.
My union stories are similar to those described above.
1) The summer after high school I worked as a framing carpenter. After a couple of months the steward came bad, noticed that I wasn’t a member, so had me fired. They mailed me a note: “The company has gone bankrupt and we are unable to pay your back pay.” Backpay? Then I realized that they were keeping the tax bucks that they had withheld.
2) Working a remote EMP test in California. I set up my equipment and then go to attach the ground cable. Looks of horror all around. “That’s a union job and has to be done by a union electrician.” So we waited for him to show up and, sure enough, he’d left his tool bag at home. I loaned him my wrench and he finished the two-minute job.
3) There is a molybdenum mine in a small town in northern NM. For many, many years it provided jobs to a remote area (my grandfather and grandmother met while they were working there). Union decides to strike and management was forced to close it down. 30 years later the mine is still closed and the town is a poverty-stricken shithole.
the town is a poverty-stricken shithole
In New Mexico!?
Heh. Kinda describes a lot of towns here, doesn’t it?
Questa.
Hey 4Square, great stuff.
I take a perverse pride in being a former Jimmy Hoffa Teamster. Drove a truck for a Bay Area newspaper while in college. The company convinced the union to hire a limited number of college kids part time to compensate for the uneven work flow. Real sweet gig. Full union scale $4.50/hr when my friends were working for $1.25 min wage. Double time for delivery of the Sunday morning paper. Got to drive a truck all over the East Bay with no supervision and just enough physical work to not become a couch potato.
First day on the job I came back to the dock after the second run and said “What’s next?”. “You’re not supposed to come back after the second run – take your time and get back to the barn just in time to clock out.” Spent the next hour and a half driving the four miles to the garage.
The paper had like a dozen different unions and it was clear they had no interest in the paper’s economic survival.
Our union “Business Manager” was right out of central casting. He’d show up at the loading dock every so often in his big ass green Caddy coupe wearing tailored suits that would change color with the light when he moved. I’m sure Pomade was a major expense for him.
That was great, Fourscore! My Dad grew up in a company town and his story was much the same, save for lack of the happy ending.
Been in railroad unions ever since I was 18. Great pay and great benefits. I’ve watched some horrible things happen to non-unionized colleagues and I’ve seen some really dangerous situations get resolved because someone could stand up to management and say ‘no’ knowing they had the backing of the union.
I find public unions abhorrent. I think private unions definitely have a place in capitalism.
Have you been in long enough that you’re in the grandfathered rates, or young enough to be one of the non-grandfathered?
I think private unions definitely have a place in capitalism.
Agreed, although the fedgov’s weighty thumb on the scale produces many poor incentives.
The labor laws generally force any union into a very particular form that, if we are being honest, is more of a guild than a union. If we applied basic anti-trust principals to a union like they were any other corporation, they could still offer collective bargaining (and support for e.g., people complaining about safety problems) without allowing a union to cartelize an entire industry. Which is what most of the bitching here boils down to.
I’m fine with unions, government giving them more ‘rights’ collectively than each individual has is where the problems happen.
OT: A Guy can dream, can’t he?
Okay, they’re on a roll.
” “Trust me: my ideas for what to do with the Fed are explosive,” he added, before descending into mad laughter.”
Lmao
god I wish this was real
My favorite was, “I have lots of sensible policies when it comes to monetary policy on our fiat currency. These ideas are all gold.”
Oklahoma Teen: Florida Man’s long lost illegitimate son?
Jumping fences naked. Ballsy.
Oh like you’ve never…
https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/7bmdjo/psbattle_deer_testicles_hanging_on_a_fence/
Elsewhere in Olde Tyme O/T Theater…..Well now! This is interesting.
Maybe she was a “Treasury agent”.
I’m sorry, but I don’t even know what this is talking about
Cliffs Notes version: NYT story the other day had the FBI admitting that they sent a woman who is an “investigator” undercover to approach minor Trump campaign functionary George Papadopolous in London, ostensibly to discuss foreign policy positions but actually to ask him about whether Trump’s campaign was working together with Russia. She was working alongside known CIA asset Stefan Halper, and now this NYT reporter is obliquely suggesting that she isn’t FBI but actually CIA.
The guy she met with is dead certain she was CIA and maybe Turkish. No way was she FBI. The FBI is taking the fall, in his mind, because having the CIA spying on Americans is even worse optics.
I would think a simple inquiry to accounts payable and payroll would straighten out who she worked for.
Not necessarily. The Agency will set up dummy companies and pay folks ‘off the books’ through personnel corporations and the like to keep their hands clean. And deny the person ever worked there if asked. It creates very real issues come tax time and the Agency’s position if the person gets audited is “oh, well. Tough shit.” Don’t ask me how I know all of this.
Here’s a link to the original story
Holy shit. I saw it on Tucker last night but if the NYT is reporting this there may be hope, yet.
It looks like the lid is about to blow off all of the shenanigans.
They sent a honey-pot to seduce a guy that already has a smoking-hot Russian bride. Smahrt.
When I was in high school I remember a story of a playwright in Sausalito trying to stage his own play. The playhouse was unionized. The union said he had to hire musicians ( a 3-piece combo, I think).. “But the play has no music.” “No matter – have to hire them or there’s no play.” Playwright says “OK, I’ll add some music then.” ” In that case you’ll need a 7-piece orchestra.”
Mmmmm, Sausalito!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMAGI7zRqj8
I was elected employee rep at one company and fought tooth and nail against unionization. We didn’t need it. Our company paid better and the bennies were much better than any of our competitors. After I got downsized out of my job, the place I worked at went to shit and shuttered not long afterward. You need a middleman, someone who can talk to the guys on the floor and still raise hell in the boardroom. I worked my way up, so I could do pretty much what every schmoe on the floor was doing. The guys listened to and respected what I had to say. I wasn’t some shiny-suit asshole that just flew in for the day. Fuck, I loved that job.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/05/03/hide-yo-groundhogs-bill-de-blasio-reportedly-just-days-away-from-announcing-his-potus-run/
ROFL. Another Dem candidate. Stop it…I can’t take it anymore.
The scary part is that Biden, being the sanest of the bunch is basically incoherent. Who’s going to pick up the flag? Harris? Butt-plug? Hillary?
I was thinking that someone needed to run on the Sandinista ticket
According to that dusty old document, she’s too young.
“Fairness PAC” ?
AKA gibmedat.
Good story!
Hey Muppet, what if any of your memories do you have of your city circa 1979? I was there on an exchange program and it was the heights of the secession debate. Seemed to me that most Quebecois that I met could give a shit, more or less. I met some angry rural dwellers but the city folk were pretty sanguine.
Excellent story Fourscore! Living on da range is certainly an experience even though I’ve only been here 20 years. Funny how everyone still calls themselves miners even though not many do it anymore and the controversy over new mines is quite strong.
My experience with unions is limited to when I worked for a guy who traveled around the country installing walk in coolers and freezers. I enjoyed that job immensely. Great gig for a kid fresh out of high school. But that’s a story for another time…
We had to join the carpenter’s union (go figure) in order to do the installs since many of the jobsites were unionized. Ran into many similar issues mentioned already. My boss didn’t like the unions, but it was a cost of doing business. He paid our dues. My best friend and I were his only employees. We busted our ass even though we got paid hourly. Most of the union guys we worked around hated us for being so productive. Even got a job offer one time down in Biloxi working on the new casino boat (non-union) since the foreman was so impressed. Said he’d never seen anyone work so fast and hard before.
I’m pretty anti-union, though I think they do have a place and they did help in the early days, but my dad was vehemently against unions. He (and my mom) worked for Andersen Windows in Bayport, MN back in the 70s and 80s, which was not a union factory. They paid employees well and had pretty good conditions generally. They got profit sharing up to 85% of yearly earnings in some of the really good years in the 80s, but usually more like 20-40 percent. Getting one check in low to mid five figures at the end of the year was always a happy time!
Anyway, my dad and his cousin, who was a school teacher (very pro-union), would get into some epic arguments at family gatherings back in the 70s after several hours of drinking. Some came real close to fisticuffs and most times they had to be told by others to STFU and separate. As a young kid it was strange to hear these adults arguing so strongly. I never understood it.
Excellent story! Thanks Fourscore.