History Repeats Itself
Meanwhile, in Switzerland
When most folks – well, most non-gun folks – think of Switzerland, they think of discreet banking, skiing and chocolates. But Switzerland is a country with a martial tradition as well as a tradition of turning out fine firearms; for example, the Sig P-210 may well be the finest semi-auto pistol ever made.
In 1866, well before the P-210 came into being, the Swiss Federal Council were looking around their neighbors and seeing the various brass-cartridge, single-shot breechloaders that were coming into vogue in military circles. They looked at the Dreyse and Gras bolt guns fielded by the Germanic states and France. Being Swiss, they figured they could do the others one better; being Swiss, they were right. But the original idea came from an American innovation. Being Swiss, they would never admit that.
At the time the Swiss Army was using the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 (Federal Carbine 1851) which was an Amsler-Milbank metallic cartridge conversion from the previously used muzzle loading rifle/musket. The Federal Carbine 1851 was a trapdoor action roughly similar to the U.S. 1874 Springfield rifle, but firing a 10.4mm (.41 caliber, more or less) cartridge. This single-shot arm put the Swiss on an even footing with their neighbors, rifle-wise, but that situation wasn’t destined to last.
In 1867 the Swiss military adopted the Repetiergewehr Vetterli, Modell 1867 (Model 1867 Vetterli Repeating Rifle). The 1867 and the various iterations of the same rifle that followed, the 1868, 1869, 69/71, 1871, 1871 carbine, 1878 and 1881, all had several things in common. First among them was a different locking mechanism; unlike the guide rib-locking lug combo seen on the Dreyse, Gras and early Mauser rifles, the Vetterli guns had two locking lugs at the rear of the bolt. While the 1867 version had an external hammer, the 1868 and later models used a coil spring-driven striker inside the bolt. But the major innovation was an 11-round tubular magazine under the barrel that was loaded through a loading gate on the right-hand side of the action.
Sound familiar?
Now, I’m not saying the folks at Vetterli looked across the Atlantic and noticed the feeding setup of the highly successful 1866 Winchester repeater, but if they had, it would certainly explain their adoption of a very similar mechanism for their repeating rifle.
The Vetterli was very successful but had a few drawbacks. It fired the .41 Swiss rimfire cartridge, which only developed slightly more performance than the .44 Henry round used in the ’66 Winchester. Its tubular magazine worked well but limited the soldier to topping up the magazine one round at a time. For a hunting rifle this isn’t anything more than an inconvenience, but in a military weapon a fast reload could literally be the difference between life and death.
But in 1870, an Italian artillery Captain named G. Vitali looked at the Swiss Vetterli and had an idea; what about a box magazine under the receiver, rather than a Winchester-style tubular magazine? The result of this was the Modello 1870/87 Vetterli-Vitali, an adaptation of the Swiss design with a fixed box magazine, which was charged with a four-round stripper clip. While this innovation reduced the rifles’ capacity, it greatly reduced reloading time. This was the first mass-produced bolt-action repeater with a box magazine.
Mauser Steps Up
Over in Oberndorf, Paul Mauser wasn’t missing the trend.
The Vetterli rifle had given a European power a bolt-action repeater for the first time. Mauser was at that time cranking out the 1871 Mauser single-shot, but the engineer in Paul Mauser saw room for improvement; it took an alliance with an Austrian to make that happen.
Alfred Ritter von Kropatschek was a general in the Austrian Army as well as a weapons designer of note. One of his own designs, the Kropatschek rifle, a bolt-action repeater with a tubular magazine, was adopted by the Kingdom of Portugal in 1886; Kropatschek also dabble in revolvers, and had several other rifle designs used by France and Portugal manufactured at the Steyr/Mannlicher works in what was then the Austrian Empire.
In fact, one of Krotpatschek’s contemporaries in his affiliation with the Steyr company would soon have significant impact on the bolt gun world; that contemporary’s name was Ferdinand Mannlicher. We’ll talk more about him in a later segment.
Back to Mauser. In 1884, Mauser-Werke updated with 1871 Gewehr 71 with an 8-round tubular magazine designed by Alfred von Kropatschek. This new rifle became known as the Gewehr 71/84 and was the first production Mauser repeater.
Peter Mauser, the marketing side of the Mauser family, had died in 1882 but Mauser’s marketing effort before and after the alliance with von Kropatschek had led to company to look beyond the military market. Germany has a long-standing outdoor tradition as well, with German sportsmen going afield after red deer, roebuck and wild boar; the powerful 11mm Mauser black-powder round was well suited for the larger game of the German states.
Speaking for myself; I’ve never fired one of the black-powder Mausers, but I once had the chance to examine a very interesting sporting rifle, this one a 71/84 repeater with a carbine-length barrel, butter-knife bolt handle, a nice European walnut stock with a half-length forearm that left much of the 6-shot magazine tube exposed, and some kind of aftermarket open sights that I couldn’t recognize and which were presumably contemporary with the rifle’s origins. I would have loved to have fired it, but the venue (a Denver-area gun show) and the difficulty in obtaining 11mm Mauser ammo in this modern era precluded it. But I would have enjoyed taking this carbine into the game fields. The rifle was light and handy and, in a tribute to Mauser engineering, even after well over a hundred years the action was still tight and crisp.
The 1871 and 71/84 were the first big commercial successes for Mauser. Beside civilian sales, the 1871 and its descendant saw service in the German armies as well as those of the Ottoman Empire, Serbia, Transvaal. The 1871 was used by the Irish Volunteers in the Easter Rising; the Japanese samurai used 1871 Mausers in the Satsuma Rebellion. Other nations that used this rifle included Honduras, Venezuela, Ecuador, Uruguay and on the other side of the planet, China and Korea. All in all, almost two million of these guns were made.
With the 71 and 71/84 Mauser had made their mark in the military world as a bolt gun designer. That mark would only broaden and improve as the world turned into the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
Speaking of Japan
Its important to remember that Japan was a country with a proud martial tradition and was, in fact, a rather militarized culture up until about 1945, when the thrashing they received at the hands of folks like Douglas MacArthur, Chester Nimitz and Curtis LeMay forced them to re-think that stance.
But in 1880, Japan was just pulling their military structure and equipment into what was then the modern era. They had been importing various weapons for their army, including French Chassepot and Gras rifles, British Snider-Enfields and even some American Spencer repeaters. The experiences the Japanese Army had in the Boshin War brought home the need for a domestically produced, standardized infantry weapon.
At this time a young fellow named Murata Tsuneyoshi was a Major of infantry in the Japanese Imperial Army, and in addition to his military duties, he fancied himself a designer of infantry rifles. He had examined a number of French Gras rifles and adapted their design to local production, producing a single-shot bolt gun that became the Murata Model 13, named so as it was adopted in the 13th year of the reign of the Emperor Meiji, the standard by which Japan reckoned calendar years.
Like their European counterparts, the Japanese were not long content with a single-shot rifle. The Murata rifle went through several innovations including experimentation with box and tubular magazines; these experiments culminated with the Murata Type 22, which had a tubular magazine under the barrel. The Type 22 entered service in 1889. Murata rifles saw service in the first Sino-Japanese war, the Donghat Peasant Rebellion, the Boxer Rebellion, the Russo-Japanese War, the Siberian Intervention and the Great War.
Meanwhile, in Russia
The Russian Empire’s first breechloader was known as the Berdan 1, another trapdoor breechloader which was manufactured in the United States by our old friends at Colt. Adopted in 1868, the Berdan 1 fired a .42 caliber Berdan-primed (obviously) black-powder cartridge. But in 1870 Russia adopted the Berdan 2, a single-shot bolt gun. As seems often to be the case with Russian designs, the Berdan 2 was something of an odd duck. Like the Dreyse, Gras and 1871 Mauser, it used the guide rib as a locking lug; unlike the other guns, when the action was closed the bolt handle projected upwards about 30 degrees above the horizontal. The reasons behind this are unknown.
But in the meantime, the French were once again about to set a new standard for martial bolt guns.
The French Break New Ground
In 1884, the same year that the brothers Mauser were converting their successful 1871 model into a repeater, a Frenchman named Paul Vielle was experimenting with cartridge propellants based on nitrocellulose. In case you weren’t aware, this was the basis for the first smokeless gun powders, which was what Vielle came up with, inventing Poudre B, which packed about triple the punch of black powder. Two years prior to that another Frenchman, this one an Army Captain by the name of Eduard Rubin, had come up with a rather interesting new bullet that had a protective copper jacket completely wrapped around the lead core, allowing the bullet to be fired at high velocities without deforming.
In 1886 the French Minister of War, one General Georges Ernest Boulanger, determined that these two French inventions, combined, could be the basis for a fine new infantry rifle. He wasn’t wrong. The result of his intentions was given form in the 1886 Lebel rifle, a bolt-action repeater with an 8-roung tubular magazine under the barrel. The Lebel used the 8mm Lebel cartridge, which fired a fully-jacketed spitzer bullet at about 2200 feet per second, a pretty impressive performance for the time.
Incidentally, it’s a common worry among those who shoot guns with tubular magazines that a pointed bullet in the magazine may set off the round ahead of it under recoil, which in spite of a lot of ink spilt on the topic, most gun cranks can’t produce an example of this actually happening. The Lebel used just such a pointed, full-jacketed bullet, and got around it with the expedient of a groove around the primer of the 8mm Lebel cartridge that caught and held the point of the bullet to the rear in the magazine, preventing any possible chain fire. This was a solution that, while awkward, would appear to be successful inasmuch as there are no known examples of a chain-fire in the Lebel rifle.
The Lebel proved popular among the soldiers of the French Army despite the difficulty of loading its tubular magazine one round at a time. The rifle and its 8mm smokeless powder cartridge were clearly superior to the black-powder 71/84 Mauser, the Swiss and Italian Vetterli and the Russian Berdan rifles in use elsewhere at the time. The Lebel rifle was used to good effect in several pre-Great War conflicts such as the Boxer Rebellion, the first Italo-Ethiopian War and the Monegasque Revolution. When the Great War broke out it was still the standard French infantry rifle and turned in a good performance in that war to end all wars. Lebels found their way into military service from Algeria to Vietnam, and civilian versions without the bayonet lug and stacking rod were sold all over to sportsmen as well.
But while the Lebel denoted the entry of bolt guns into the smokeless powder era, it was soon eclipsed by developments in German, Russia and elsewhere.
And Then This Happened
We’ve already examined how the introduction of smokeless powders and the resulting increase in performance and chamber pressures changed the lever gun world. The changes were even more dramatic in the bolt gun world, as the simple design of the bolt-action repeater allowed for some very tough actions capable of withstanding serious chamber pressures.
Both military and civilian arms would take advantage of this innovation. Rifles were now built for the new propellants whose names would live on in gun making history; besides the Mauser folks, such names as Mannlicher, Lee-Enfield, Mosin-Nagant, Krag and Springfield were now about to come to the fore.
Also, in 1914, the Great War would begin. This, the world’s largest war of attrition in history (so far), would be more than any other the war of the bolt gun. Big things were about to happen – but that’s a story for Part 3.
*snicker*
Another great article Animal.
I hate cliffhangers!
Nevertheless, it’s a terrific article, Animal!
Relevant
This, the world’s largest war of attrition in history (so far)
Interesting. I would have said WWII. WWI military casualties are around 11mm, as near as I can tell, and WWII military casualties are in excess of 20mm (with the Soviets losing the most, by a lot).
I read that “so far” as to mean in 1914.
Makes sense. Carry on.
This – also, WWII was much more a war of maneuver, rather than a war of attrition.
Sorry to go OT, but do you have time for a quick Pharma question?
I’m mostly a device guy, but I’ll give it a shot.
I FOIAd the 483 for one of the pre-approval QA site inspections. Inspection was for last August, a few weeks before the NDA submission was RTFed. NDA was re-submitted at an unknown date, accepted and filed for priority review in January, PDUFA in early July.
Anyway, there were 4 observations listed on the 483, and 3 of them were very obviously easy to fix (i.e. setting up appropriate user permissions and security on Open Lab software).
The 4th seemed slightly more complicated. There were problems with their PMP (preventative maintenance program), where, in one case, they had an equipment failure (a transducer that heats up the polymer before extrusion), and they replaced it without initiating a deviation. They only initiated the deviation a year later when it was noted in the inspection.
Is a mistake of that magnitude usually indicative of bigger problems, such as a poorly run lab? This is an Evonik facility, but it’s the first time it has had a GMP inspection…
I’d want to know what kind of investigation they did, the results of that and what corrective action they took, but on the surface here, I’d say yes, that could be an indication of a QMS that isn’t very robust. The initial failure isn’t a big deal, but their failure to follow their own deviation process could indicate a bigger issue.
Mind you I’d be doing a lot more digging myself before reaching any conclusions.
Thanks. Almost everything is confidential/proprietary, there’s no realistic way to dig any further at this point. It will all end up in the drug master file, but by then it won’t matter.
Boulanger…..geez, a weapon-designing general really should have been named Boucher, not Boulanger.
I have a spitzerized Gewehr 88 that I would bet still fires like a champ. I need to slug the bore and pick up some appropriately low-grain ammo, but it’s in great condition still. Not a Mauser, but it’s an interesting gun.
” it took an alliance with an Austrian to make that happen.”
You know what else happened when someone allied with an Austrian?
WW1?
The Glock 17 was born?
dammit, thought of a better one after posting this – the Mercedes G-Class
Marie Antoinette?
A few consecutive years of F1 WCCs?
Joseph Baena?
Maria Shriver became First Lady of California?
Very nice…
The art world lost a mediocre painter and the wide world gained a monster.
I had a bizarre experience today. I watched Hogan’s Hero’s dubbed into German. I don’t know how they can broadcast this here considering their rules around swastikas.
I started taking Vienna sausages on camping trips?
Spread-spectrum technology led to the cell phone?
Animal,
I really like the slow approach you have taken. I feel your articles have a great balance of depth and breath. The subject matter is very interesting to me personally, but I think the content is accessible to laymen as well.
Thank you.
Sincerely Jet Lagged Timeloose.
Sort of on topic:
Need an opinion from Swiss on “Swissploitation”.
https://www.thelocal.ch/20190405/zurich-police-dismiss-staffer-for-taking-part-in-horror-film-mad-heidi
As stated in the article:
Alles muss in ordnung sein.
I must be misunderstanding the good professor. He seems to be saying that cops should be held to higher standards, but that can’t be right.
OT: In a world of lies, truth is radical.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/expert-psychologist-blocked-on-twitter-for-expressing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism/
Transgender activists are evil, pure and simple.
when prepubescent children are prescribed hormone-blockers by their trans therapist, then a certain ethical line has been crossed.
“Green took her 15-year-old son Jack to Thailand, where she had his testicles amputated on his 16th birthday”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/trans-activists-went-after-this-womans-husband-her-kids-even-her-ex-for-opposing-transgenderism/
Keep in mind these are the same people freaking out about neo-natal circumcision. If this isn’t evil, I don’t know what is.
In a few years, she’s going to wonder why her new “Daughter” killed himself.
Only if he doesnt kill her too.
Great minds.
Or everyone else is going to wonder why her new “daughter” went all Ed Gein on her.
I’m sure they also believe that the State should step in and take children away from parents who want the kids to attend gay conversion therapy.
That sort of behavior by the parent is beyond the pale.
But no way the State should ever stop any trans treatments.
“But no way the State should ever stop any trans treatments.”
I wouldn’t put a blanket statement like that on it. I doubt it has happened, but what if the kids was against the treatment? How about a one year old?
Both are wrong. *shrug*
Or when elementary school teachers start pressuring kids to identify as the opposite sex without any parental involvement, as in that recently publicized Oregon story.
when
prepubescentchildren are prescribed hormone-blockers by their trans therapist, then a certain ethical line has been crossed.I think there is a very serious ethical (and potentially legal) question around doing any kind of medical or surgical intervention on a minor based on their belief that they are trans.
talk about buyer’s remorse.
Genuine question here: I don’t understand what they gain by this. Is it some effort to normalize transgenderism in society by just making more people transgender? It seems like if that were your goal you’d vastly prefer more people who successfully transitioned as adults following therapy and such, with the odds much better for them to remain psychologically healthy, than to press people into making hasty, uninformed decisions that will cause them horrible psychological trauma down the line.
It’s kulturkampf pure and simple. These activist-types want to impose their worldview on everyone and don’t care about the collateral damage, even it it’s to their own children. It’s about dominating your enemies, nothing more, nothing less.
You are wrong. The collateral damage is the whole point of it. It is part of getting people to accept absurdities as truth, destroying propriety, the family etc.
It is about brainwashing people into useful idiocy. You see damage, they see a goal.
How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’
Suthen is exactly right. This is all about power.
They want to have the cred of being parents of a trans child.
It’s a narcissistic desire. The whole ‘trans’ element is irrelevent, as is the welfare of their child.
I really hope this isn’t true but I fear it is.
It’s all about destroying Western civilization. You can trace all leftist bullshit back to that. And what do they gain from that? Well, they actually lose like everyone else, but they’re too stupid to know it.
Yep. They hate Western culture and morality and want it eradicated, with a giant freak show to take its place. Now, I don’t have a problem with freaks when they’re doing what they do on their own dime, but I’m not going to be browbeaten into endorsing their ludicrous dogma.
Yeah, you can be as freaky as you want on your own dime and minding your own business, but when you think your free expression includes taking mine away, we have a problem, Houston. They’re going to start a civil war sure as shit and it is going to go very badly for them. But we’ll get a preview when it start happening in Europe first.
Komrad, “endorsing” would only be a half-hearted effort. We need enthusiastic celebration and nothing less.
It seems like if that were your goal you’d vastly prefer more people who successfully transitioned as adults following therapy and such, with the odds much better for them to remain psychologically healthy, than to press people into making hasty, uninformed decisions that will cause them horrible psychological trauma down the line.
It would. If ensuring that those who transitioned remained psychologically healthy was their goal. Increasingly, I’m convinced that the leftists’ goal is nothing of the sort. Almost exactly the opposite, in fact. The social justice cadres are psychically damaged. For whatever reason, they hate being itself. They can’t bring themselves to acknowledge as much. To do so would leave a rejection of their own existence as the only moral option. So, they settle on a compromise. They wage war on being and call their war “justice”. Recreate to rules such that existence is impossible and watch as the rest of mankind descends into their own madness and hatred of existence.
I’m increasingly convinced that what the social justice cadres are after is not the destruction of Western Civilization, but the destruction of the very fabric of being.
^^^Agreed. They are at war with objective reality. The puppetmasters exploit the useful idiots because once objective reality is destroyed, they can rebuild it any way they like.
Honestly, I don’t even think that is the case, although they may well rationalize their motives accordingly. I’m increasingly convinced that even the puppetmasters want existence, even their own, erased. They just can’t come to terms with that.
So a death cult?
David Thompson likes to refer to them as acting like Mean Girls, using the language of “social justice” to rationalize their nasty behavior toward others.
There are multiple things at play:
1) The truly gender dysphoric, ie mentally ill are acting like they’re mentally ill
2) Teen rebellion and attention-seeking
3) Virtue signalling parents
4) The postmodernist social justice warriors that want to destroy all semblance of objective argument
5) The cynical leaders (and doctors and hormone manufacturers) that are exploiting the situation for maximum benefit
I have varying levels of empathy and outright anger for the different groups.
The DSM has always been highly charged politically. In this case the twits are the ones being evil, but given their blatantly partisan behavior lately this comes as no surprise.
What will be interesting to see is how / if this hurts the twits in the end. I would love to see the evil fuckers go down in flames.
History will not be kind to these people regardless of the medium-term outcome. I predict that this will be looked upon in a similar light as non-consensual human medical experimentation. You are permanently disfiguring and mutilating children; it’s not a good look.
And there’s going to be an epidemic of suicides amongst formerly trans children.
^THIS THIS THISITY THIS THIS.
I tend to agree point for point with the doctor’s position, and in particular I agree with the concept of the postop sex as a legal fiction. Indeed, I’d refer to it as a social fiction as well, in the sense that in the interests of being polite I’m happy to refer to someone as the gender of their choice provided they in turn don’t put me or others in a position where we have to confront it as a biological question. I will pretend someone who’s calling themselves a surgeon is a surgeon provided they don’t insist on performing surgery on me.
This is particularly acute in health care. Sure, we’ll call you by whatever name (and, if we can remember, pronoun) you want. But we’re in the biology business, and your biology matters to what we do. A lot. Even if you are post-surgical, depending on what’s going on, your treatment will be affected by your biological sex.
“your treatment will be affected by your biological sex”
Not if you wanna keep your job it won’t, shitlord.
/trans activist
*physician disregards biological sex of patient*
*patient has bad outcome because physician disregarded biological sex*
*patient sues*
The incredibly controversial ideas he was blocked for:
I’ve worked with 2 people who were in the process of going through this. For some reason, a couple of the call center supervisors thought that those of us in IT really cared about what name people had, and asked if we could have it display the person’s chosen name. We all just kind of shrugged and said, “Why don’t we just put that in as the First Name? The name fields don’t matter to us, and it doesn’t change the username.” They were shocked that HR didn’t offer that up as an option. One of the people left the company before going in for surgery, the other was still working there post surgery, and seemed happy with the outcome.
I think I heard all of one disparaging comment from anyone about it, and it was related to bathroom use. He got mocked pretty harshly for it. There were several people who would slip up on pronouns once in a while, and no one blew up about it, and apologies were accepted.
Most people don’t care what you do with yours as long as it doesn’t affect them. When you start making rules and laws that affect these formerly not caring people they start getting pissed off. That’s when you get a knee jerk reaction.
So, what you’re saying is we’ve transitioned from talking about bolt guns to talking about bolt ons?
*narrows gaze*
I thought we were talking about how a slug fired from a shot gun isn’t as effective at long ranges as a rife. No matter how many modifications you make to the slug or the shot gun.
My middle daughter (now 18) recently told me she wants to transition (start hormone therapy). To me, it’s a fad. As someone else stated here, trans is the new goth. It’s a way to shock your parents but still belong to a group. Fortunately the place where she has been receiving counseling sees things my way. She hasn’t talked about it much in counseling, but she does talk about it with friends at school and online who all consider themselves “trans”. The person I talked to at counseling said they recommend 5 years of therapy before any medical treatment. I am very thankful we found them, and not a trans activist who would rush her into surgery.
Now’s the time to start charging her rent.
Not yet. Our house policy is, we will help financially and not charge rent as long as she’s going to school. We went through this with my oldest. Once she dropped out of school, we started charging her rent. This one is signed up for community college, and as long as she’s enrolled and doing well we won’t charge her rent until she graduates.
We had a couple of sisters as foster kids for a year. Both were pretty good kids, just in a tough situation. The younger one was as feminine as you can get, The older one was as butch as you could get.
On the way to my wife’s parents for Christmas, we stopped at a truck stop for a break. The older one sidled up to the urinal next to me. Shocked the hell out of me. She passed as male in public and still does to this day.
She/he never felt comfortable as a girl ever since she/he can remember. Luckily, she/he is not the abrasive, in-your-face type and is content to live and let live.
Excellent article. I am also glad to see that someone is putting the SIG P-210 in its rightful place. Indeed, it is the only thing better than a Browning P-35.
The world would have new meaning for me if somebody would make a Browning P-35 in 10mm Auto.
Fortunately you no longer have the power to do jack shit you slaver motherfucker.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/john-paul-stevens-theres-no-need-for-all-the-guns-we-have-in-the-country/
“There’s No Need for All the Guns We Have in the Country”
Well, why not just volunteer to go help confiscate all of them, door to door? Do it, or you’re a fucking pussy.
Is that like the pope?
Worth noting that Stevens was on the majority in Deshaney v Winnebago County. So the government has no duty to protect you, and you have no right to protect yourself with guns. Neat needle-threading.
Fuck that asshole.
Social contract: where you implicitly consent to it and we have no positive obligation back to you.
The scope and meaning of the Second Amendment are utterly unchanged by whether we have school shootings or not. But, its a nice insight into the mindset of pro-state Justices; jurisprudence and the law have little to do with their decisions.
Exactly this. Stevens obviously believes the SC is there to legislate.
Die soon you old bastard.
So would he allow a law that made it illegal to report on or publicize the names of school shooters in any way? Because I guarantee that would get rid of more of them than just banning guns would.
Not Kelo? Or Gonzalez v. Raich?
He voted in the majority in both of those case so why would we consider them to be incorrect?
i can’t wait to hear Thomas’ senile rantings in another 20 years.
Mmmm. Grab em by the [CENSORED]
Query: What about the inherent dangers of depending on TOP MEN to define the law and our rights? This is okay if we agree with them but if we don’t then not so good. Also who will appoint these judges and how will they learn of the “right” legal theories?
Massive case of sour grapes.
He was appointed by Gerald Ford by the way. One of those Sensible Republicans before Trump and Reagan.
Who’s Gerald Ford?
An amiable guy that played football without a helmet a few too many times.
A lot of folks here are right, Animal, these really are some nice, well articulated, well written articles. I’ve never been that much into guns. Growing up, a lot of my friends were so into guns and cars, while I was more into nerdy science stuff. Don’t get me wrong, I like guns, I have several, including my old bolt action Remington 22, which I got when I was 10 years old. I of course love them for home defense, but I was never a hunter. Always loved fishing, I just have a problem shooting defenseless animals for sport. Well, unless they are deer or squirrel, I’ll gladly gun down every last one of those spawns of Satan on the planet.
I just have a problem shooting defenseless animals for sport.
Aside from a few things like prairie dog shoots, practically nobody shoots animals for “sport”.
I’ve done Jack rabbit hunts, but they too are varmint.
“Aside from a few things like prairie dog shoots, practically nobody shoots animals for “sport”.
I have to politely disagree. The inbred hillbillies I grew up around would shoot deer and other game and just let them lie there, just for sport. They got off on it. I don’t think that is that atypical for hunters. Now if they are destroying your garden and/or landscaping, sure. But to just go into the woods and put a bullet into the head of an otherwise harmless animal for fun, I don’t get it.
I don’t think that is that atypical for hunters.
I’ve never met a hunter who would shoot a deer just to watch it die. I can’t think of a single exception to the rule that hunters shoot (a) varmints, which could include prairie dogs and/or (b) for food, with the bragging rights of a nice set of antlers being basically a bonus.
I’m with you RC. I can’t think of anyone I’ve run into in my life that would shoot something just to kill it.
The hillbillies you describe would all be asking for a beating from any of the hunters I know. In fact, if I saw it, I would be very tempted to rat them out to the game warden.
Have to say the same. Every hunter I’ve ever known would be appalled at this.
What you’ve described is illegal in all fifty states. Those assholes are poachers.
I don’t own any guns – but I do enjoy shooting, but my $$ goes to other hobbies like stereos, music, clothes, cars, ‘n’ booze. If I added something else I would uh go broker or have to retire later.
I understand the self-defense thing but I’ve never been in a situation where a gun would have helped – being tall and over 200 pounds plus the narrowed gaze stops most of the idjits from bothering me. Once – long ago – I faked having a gun. Standing in line at a rundown Mickey D’s in Jackson, MI I had someone giving me – along with EF and my then best friend – the stink eye. Mr. Stinkeye and his buddies kept staring at us freaks until I leaned over and whispered rather loudly into EF’s ear: “This new gun is a lot heavier than the old one.” And then I shifted and imaginary object under my armpit. The stares stopped.
This was pre-cellphone days, mind you.
The problem is if the other guy has a gun…
^this^. I would really prefer never having to kill someone, but if I ever have to make a split second decision upon awaking in the middle of the night to confront an intruder, the odds are not favorable for them not dying. I’ll leave it at that. If you are really against having a lethal weapon for defense, I would suggest a really good home security system and maybe some sort of high velocity pepper spray weapon. I just don’t trust that, myself. And it’s not all about me, I have to protect my wife above all else.
How do you rule the post apocalypse wasteland without a gun?
He has people for that.
I enjoy shooting but I’m like you – I have no real desire to kill any animal unless it were necessary for my own survival. Just isn’t my bag, baby.
Fishing Hurts!
I’m not judging. I like torturing fish just as much as I like killing defenseless animals.
Spawn sent me pics over the weekend of some beautiful trout. Poor bastards gave their lives for what looked like a tasty meal.
Stopped at the river by my house on the way home from the post office. Northern fillets for dinner. Two nearby friends sent email pictures today of bear in their yard, one on the deck lying down, looking through the glass door. Not the same bear since they are 25 miles apart.
Can a NYC glib please explain Deblasio’s malfunction
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/05/13/blacks-attack-hasidim-brooklyn-deblasio-blames-trump-white-supremacy/
He’s a fucking idiot?
White supremacy had been so ingrained and effective in the US that these African Americans are perpetrating these crimes to get credibility. Why it’s impossible to get a job or a promotion as a black man without committing a hate crime.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-courts-conservatives-overturn-precedent-as-liberals-ask-which-cases-the-court-will-overrule-next/2019/05/13/b4d3c4f8-7595-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html%3FoutputType=amp
SCOTUS overturns ruling regarding states being sued in other state courts. I’m opposed to sovereign immunity, but this makes sense, as states at equal to each other. Of course Breyer snides ‘what else will the court overturn’? I don’t know, hopefully a lot of the shit you’ve sided with.
‘what else will the court overturn’
Sovereign immunity, the deference to administrative agencies, and the delegation of legislative power to administrative agencies?
Oh, he wasn’t asking for my wish list, was he.
I don’t think the courts can kill sovereign Immunity. The legislature have to give it up.
Now qualified Immunity and absolute immunity are just made up by judges, so they could overturn that.
I don’t think the courts can kill sovereign Immunity.
I’m no expert, but I thought sovereign immunity was created by the courts – it certainly isn’t in the Constitution. The states (and the feds) have statutes on the process to follow to get around it. But if the courts said no, there really wasn’t sovereign immunity as a fundamental matter, then I think due process would require that all those statutes limiting cases against the states be overturned.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#Federal_sovereign_immunity
You’re right, it’s not in the Constitution, but it’s so established that as a practical matter it will only go away if the legislature waived it.
Not so sure. I’m thinking states just exempting themselves from liability creates due process problems unless the Supremes conclude that there is an implied/underlying doctrine of sovereign immunity.
Well, its never going to be changed in my lifetime, so nothing to worry about.
Sorry, but this one seems to extend sovereign immunity.
That’s how I read the crappy article, which admittedly was about 90% pearl-clutching over the “new conservative majority” running roughshod over the rule of law.
Yes, though specifically that you can’t sue a state in another states courts. Like I said above, it kinda makes sense, but I could be convinced otherwise.
yeah a law school friend of mine linked to this earlier in the day. Opinion by Thomas :-0 zomg!
It is “dangerous to overrule a decision only because five members of a later court come to agree with earlier dissenters on a difficult legal question,” Breyer wrote
I wonder how many times a precedent has been overridden by a 5 vote majority. I’d bet there’s a few of those that Breyer agrees with.
Man, this ice pack feels nice on my lower back. I had to visit our ortho doc this morning and seems the images indicate a lower back pinched nerve because of some spinal compression. Dam shit is fucking painful as hell. I turned the heated seats on in my car and rode around a bit. Took a long but casual pace walk, and now have the ice pack on my back along with the corticosteroids and the Alleve. Not sure about tomorrow for work, all according to how long I can tolerate sitting or standing in one place long enough to get work done. Gah, when can we replace these defective human bodies?
Isn’t Ron Bailey working on that?
As long as the cocktail party invites keep coming while he attends the annual global warming/ transhumanism convention in Rio, then I’m sure we’ll all be saved soon.
what was your spine compressed?
I’m sure it’s running on pavement. I’m going to have to replace it with lower impact aerobics.
Excellent article Animal!
You skipped the Lee-Metford with the first detachable box magazine. True, the British didn’t take advantage of the detachable box magazine, but that was due to cost cutting measures and the difficulties in resupplying troops spread all over the world.
Incidentally, it’s a common worry among those who shoot guns with tubular magazines that a pointed bullet in the magazine may set off the round ahead of it under recoil, which in spite of a lot of ink spilt on the topic, most gun cranks can’t produce an example of this actually happening. The Lebel used just such a pointed, full-jacketed bullet, and got around it with the expedient of a groove around the primer of the 8mm Lebel cartridge that caught and held the point of the bullet to the rear in the magazine, preventing any possible chain fire. This was a solution that, while awkward, would appear to be successful inasmuch as there are no known examples of a chain-fire in the Lebel rifle.
The British ran into this problem during their magazine rifle trials. A tube magazine fed rifle blew up, and the British dropped all tube magazine fed rifles from consideration. Skennerton covers it in his Lee-Enfield book. It’s also covered in this thesis in the section on the Lee-Metford right around page 107.
Col. Eduard Rubin was Swiss, not French.
Despite my criticisms, I like this series.
Late as usual but I read the article slowly to enjoy it more. Very enjoyable and enlightening, good job, Animal.