Sometimes I consider what would happen if I took that flight attendant job, but then I wouldn’t be here, reading this asshole.
I made a bad economic call on election night 2016, predicting a Trump recession. But I quickly realized that political dismay had clouded my judgment, and retracted the call three days later. “It’s at least possible,” I wrote on Nov. 11, 2016, “that bigger budget deficits will, if anything, strengthen the economy briefly.”
What I didn’t realize at the time was just how much bigger the deficits would get. Since 2016, the Trump administration has, in practice, implemented the kind of huge fiscal stimulus followers of John Maynard Keynes pleaded for when unemployment was high — but Republicans blocked.
NO.SHIT.
Contrary to what Donald Trump and his supporters claim, we are not seeing an unprecedented boom. The U.S. economy grew 3.2 percent over the past year, a growth rate we haven’t seen since … 2015. Employment has been growing steadily since 2010, with no break in the trend after 2016. Still, the long stretch of growth has pushed the unemployment rate down to levels not seen in decades. How did that happen, and what does it tell us?
The strength of the economy doesn’t reflect a turnaround of the U.S. trade deficit, which remains high. Nor does it reflect a giant boom in business investment, which proponents of the 2017 tax cut promised, but didn’t happen. What’s driving the economy now is, instead, deficit spending.
Nice deflection on the unemployment rate, which is indeed at near unprecedented levels. At 3.8%, it is the lowest since 1969. I should also point out you are citing the GDP growth rate. What Trump and his supporters are pointing out, is the GDP itself is at levels we have not seen, as this graph suggests. The truth is, citing either of these statistics without any further context is disingenuous.
Economists often use the cyclically adjusted budget deficit — an estimate of what the deficit would be at full employment — as a rough measure of how much fiscal stimulus the government is providing. By that measure, the federal government is now pumping as much money into the economy as it was seven years ago, when the unemployment rate was more than 8 percent.
The explosion of the budget deficit isn’t just a result of that tax cut. After Republicans took control of the House in 2010, they forced the federal government into austerity, squeezing spending despite high unemployment and low borrowing costs. But once Trump was in the White House, spending was suddenly O.K. again (as long as it didn’t help poor people). In particular, real discretionary spending — expenditures other than those on Social Security, Medicare and other safety net programs — has surged after years of decline.
So there’s really no mystery about the economy’s continuing strength: It’s a Keynesian thing. But what do we learn from the experience?
Politically, we’ve learned that the G.O.P. is deeply hypocritical. After all that Obama-era shrieking about the dangers of debt and the looming threat of inflation, the party cheerfully opened the spigots as soon as it had its own man in the White House. You still see news reports that describe prominent Republicans as “deficit hawks,” and puzzle over their relaxed attitude toward the current flood of red ink. Come on, everyone knows what that was all about.
*Yawns*

We already knew that. Try to keep up, cunt.
This has been said for years by people you have publicly decried as fanatics. Glad to seen you took time away from massaging your prostate with your Nobel Prize to notice. Once team icky is out of power, I suppose you will just shove the prize back up your ass.
Beyond that, we now know that the long period of high unemployment that followed the 2008 financial crisis could easily have been avoided. Those of us who warned from the beginning that the Obama stimulus was too small and short-lived, and that austerity was hobbling the recovery, were right. If we had been willing to provide the same kind of fiscal support in 2013 that we’re providing now, unemployment that year would probably have been under 6 percent, not 7.4 percent.
But at the time, what I used to call the Very Serious People offered many reasons we couldn’t do what textbook economics said we should be doing. The V.S.P. said there was a debt crisis, even though the U.S. government was able to borrow at incredibly low interest rates. They said high unemployment was “structural,” and couldn’t be solved by increasing demand. In particular, workers didn’t have the skills needed for a modern economy.
None of these claims were true. But together with Republican obstructionism, they helped postpone a return to full employment for many years.
If only we tried to prog harder…you sound like that old joke about a medical intern that was visiting a psych ward. He came across a patient that was furiously masturbating and asked the doctor what his problem was. “Oh, he has a condition where he needs to constantly ejaculate, it keeps him busy at least.” Then they came across another patient getting fellated by a nurse, and the intern again asked what his problem was: “Same condition, he just has commercial insurance.”
You’re the first patient.
So are the Trump deficits a good thing? It turns out that two years ago the U.S. was further from full employment than most people thought, so there is a case for fiscal stimulus even now. And the risks of debt are far lower than the Very Serious People claimed.
PROG HARDER!
If we’re going to run up debt, however, it should be for a good purpose. We could be using deficits to rebuild our creaking infrastructure. We could be investing in children, making sure they have adequate health care and nutrition, and lifting them out of poverty.
But Republicans are still blocking any kind of useful spending. Not only are Senate Republicans opposed to infrastructure investment, the Trump administration is proposing big cuts in aid to children, especially health care and education. Deficits are apparently good only if they’re incurred giving huge tax breaks to corporations, which use the money to buy back their stock.
So that’s the story of the economy in 2019. Employment is high and unemployment low, because Republicans have embraced the kind of deficit spending they claimed would destroy America when Democrats held power. But none of that spending is being used to help those in need, or make us stronger in the long run.
Wait…Team Red is opposed to funding infrastructure? And again with the goddamn stock buybacks. Does the Times give you a 401k? If the Times (FINRA Symbol NYT) buys back some of their own shares on the open market, that creates scarcity for their stock, which in turn raises the price of their stock…assuming anybody wants to buy shares in the New York Times. This in turn adds value to any firm or individual that invests in NYT. Given that such investment vehicles, like a 401K, are provided as a source of compensation by many companies, it stands to reason this benefits an awful lot of working-class schlubs.
To continue to promote the fallacy that stock buybacks only benefit the wealthy suggests you are either you are a shitty economist, or a disingenuous cunt. I’ll let you decide which.
Mmm. Winston’s Mom.
The switch between the main page image and the article image is still disturbing to me.
It’s the difference between 2 am and 7 pm.
I’m good either way.
But the blonde in the article image doesn’t even know how to light a cigarette!
I’ve been that drunk before.
At least she’s trying to light the correct end.
Yeah, filters do not taste good.
I don’t know how many times I’ve done that. And not always drunk, either.
There’s a reason part of my routine involved tapping the filter end of the cigarette on something before putting it into my mouth. Being a creature of habit can be helpful.
That was to pack the tobacco in tighter and prevent cherries.
I don’t recall doing it sober (may have, just don’t remember) but I certainly did it a handful of times while drunk. I haven’t lit either end in 8+ years.
Rhywun: I packed the cigarettes when they were still in the pack, before it was opened. But when I pulled a cigarette from the pack, it would be a couple of quick taps on a flat surface (filter down) before putting it in my mouth.
Yeah, I did both.
Back in the days when I smoked cigarettes, I smoked unfiltered Camels, knowing then as now that you can hide some really shitty tobacco behind a filter. Nevertheless I still tapped them down before smoking.
I smoke cigars in the summertime. The last time I took a drag on a cigarette, all I tasted was chemicals.
I smoke cigars in the summertime. The last time I took a drag on a cigarette, all I tasted was chemicals.
I smoked a cigarette once. I said, “Blech, how does anyone do this?” Many years later I tried a cigar. I said to myself, “I could get to like this.”
“I don’t know how many times I’ve done that. And not always drunk, either.”
#metoo
” smoke cigars in the summertime. The last time I took a drag on a cigarette, all I tasted was chemicals.”
Try Sherman.
Although their website sucks, as it requires registration for some stupid reason.
Based on my time in the ghett-oo, to properly smoke a Sherm, I would need to lace it with pcp.
I smoked a cigarette once. I said, “Blech, how does anyone do this?” Many years later I tried a cigar. I said to myself, “I could get to like this.”
Same. I’ve smoked one cigarette in my life, and it was 15 or 20 drinks in. Even in that hardly standing up state, I remember thinking “this is thoroughly unpleasant, I’ll stick to hookah”
Cigars werent bad, but I enjoyed my pipe while I had it. Only issue was I didn’t like feeling like I had chewed fiberglass for the next 6 hours.
There’s a line in a Prodigals song that always sticks with me:
It’s the difference of before and after I’m done with her.
You beat hookers?
Oh, she got beat all right.
/euphemism
Spud is distressingly familiar with being asked, “Is it in yet?”
At our last soiree I asked him that when he took me to Steak & Shake.
I brought plenty of shake, but there was no steak.
There was more tube steak than you knew what to deal with. There’s no shame in admitting that, sweetie.
To be fair, most girls would get a bit flustered seeing you with a ribeye tied to your pecker.
That was how he got the family dog to lick it.
Joanna Lumley was a featured portion of 12 year-old Festus’ spank bank when she played “Purdy” in The New Avengers.
I only know her from AbFab and the wonderful must-have Sapphire and Steel, where she is quite the knock-out if you’re into that sort of thing and I think you are.
“How old do you think I am?”
That’s an actual quote, isn’t it? I think I remember it.
The V.S.P. said there was a debt crisis, even though the U.S. government was able to borrow at incredibly low interest rates.
“Even though”. My wife said she was unhappy, even though I was getting all this pussy on the side.
Not from me, you’re a lousy tipper.
Fuck you, cut spending.
You kiss your mama with that mouth? (Call me)
?
Paul is a big believer in the “if you still have checks you ain’t broke” style of budgeting.
And who precisely are they buying those stocks back from?
Oh right, people who now have more money in their pockets to spend.
Corporate stock buybacks have zero net macroeconomic impact
Same as stock splits. I had a few shares of something or another, can’t remember which company but they did a twofer. I had twice as many shares, same value as before.
At some point the spigit has to get turned off or we will see higher inflation.
To quote the Waco Kid from Blazing Saddles, “when?”.
I’ve never understood why a 2% inflation is a ‘target’? I know the affects of any inflation. I think its because we have gotten accustomed to it (the 2 % BS) and don’t see the devaluation as readily. Personally I wouldn’t mind a little deflation but logically a consistent value of a dollar would be the ideal, then we could do a better job of saving for our future.
No inflation, no reason to buy bonds, no money for the gubmint outside of taxes.
Oh, completely unrelated, but I’ll be down in the Buckeye Lake area in two weeks. Mainly for Camp Anarchy, but the girlfriend and I will be down there Thursday, if anyone wants to meet up in the area.
Give me enough lead time, and I’ll grab some beer from my cellar to share.
I guess crime in the UK is stamped completely out and police need something to do.
Or the UK just keeps getting more pathetic.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/05/uk-cops-look-to-crack-down-on-distracted-drive-thru-payments-among-other-things/
Enh, pay-by-brain will eventually render this issue obsolete anyway.
I had an attractive young (Korean?) woman visit the house earlier. She was canvassing to limit pesticides to save the bees. I buckled instantly and signed the thing. She was very attractive.
Then I did some reading on it. Apparently colony collapse was massively oversold by the media. One source claims pesticides account for only 13% of CCD. Quelle surprise.
So did you at least get her number?
No, but I have to think environmentalist canvasser is second only to pro-abortion rallier for meeting the wrong kind of chick. I just don’t have it in me to maintain that much performative wokeness.
I buy bees every year, the price always goes up but there is never a shortage. Every year everything increases in price. Its called inflation.
The media oversold catastrophe? This is my shocked face.
Niceeeee.
How did she compare to this woman?
I’d have liked to find out!
What about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI
Bees are highly sensitive to poisons but is a smaller problem than it was sold as. The biggest problem around here for bees are varoa mites and small hive beetles. I may have inadvertently discovered a partial solution to the small hive beetle problem. Apparently they also prey on fire ants and given the prolific nature of the fire ant here there is an overabundance of small hive beetles invading bee hives.
Kill the fire ants. Kill them all. You will have far fewer small hive beetles.
For those of you who give a damn here’s Razorfist’s breakdown of Blade Runner:
https://youtu.be/E_JxmCZKF-w
I wish he’d shut up about BR2049. You hate it, you think it’s the Worst Movie Ever, we get it, you’re making me like it more just out of sheer spite, STOP ALREADY.
I don’t say so, because he doesn’t give af who I am, but his haterboner for that movie is out of control.
An hour and ten minutes?
Razorfist is exactly right about both movies. Also, his critique is an hour too long.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Yeah, that Venn diagram is usually a circle.
Nice deflection on the unemployment rate, which is indeed at near unprecedented levels. At 3.8%, it is the lowest since 1969.
You can’t argue with jobs.
I had some beer at the local brewpub tonight. I am now at home continuing drinking with some Laphroaig.
I love Laphroaig.
I’ve gone through a couple of pints and I’m on my second Manhattan now. Tomorrow will be the time to hit up the last two breweries to complete my Cleveland brewery passport.
I’m into the whiskey portion of the evening. I did finish a very nice bottle of Pinot with dinner that I had opened last night.
I’m more annoyed that the ryes I’ve got are either bottom shelf or top shelf. I’ve been mixing the mid-shelf one now (that I’m not impressed with, the liquor store didn’t have the Rittenhouse), and will not be picking up another bottle of it in the future. At least it can be mixed into something tolerable.
What is it? A little spendy, but Knob Creek Small Batch is my mixer.
It was Redemption Rye (Pre-prohibition recipe). It is… mediocre at best. Bulleit (bourbon and rye) are my standard for mid-shelf drinking and mixing (points here for Rhywun). I’ve got some Knob Creek Single Barrel, but it really needs some water to open it up, it’s hot out of the bottle.
I’ve got some other local distilleries ryes that I would put above it, but they’re too pricey for everyday drinking.
What does High West Double Rye run in your area?
High West Double runs $39.99 in Ohio.
A little pricey for a Manhattan but worth an occasional splurge.
What shelf is Bulleit on? At one of my stores, it’s the cheapest I could see on the shelves. I really need to start asking the shopkeepers for help.
Middle.
Yeah, that’s what I figured.
Agreed with MikeS – it’s mid-range Bourbon (they also make a rye that is quite tasty, ya know).
For me, it’s a great midpoint between cheap and good. Good enough to drink straight, but not so good that you’re being wasteful if you mix it.
Yeah, I’m not even a big whiskey person but Bulleit rye is ?? ? with me.
Because of the pricing here in Ohio, the 1 liter bottles of Bulleit (both rye and bourbon) only cost about $3 more then the 750 mL bottles. I’ve refused to buy the 750 mL bottles ever since I noticed that.
Dang, Neph. That’s a good “problem” to have. What’s Bulleit run there? I can get it on sale for about $26 a 750. I believe regular price is about $30
MikeS: Both are $23.99 for a 750, and $29.99 for a liter. So I was wrong about the $3 difference. It’s a $6 difference.
Jesus Christ. The 750 rye is $37-something by me. Fuck.
A Manhattan sounds like a capital idea.
Are you going traditional or perfect on your Manhattans? And have you tried different bitters yet?
I have no idea what that means.
I considered the orange Angostura just now, but went with the regular for now. That Jäger-tasting stuff I found last week can piss right off – we’ll see how drunk I have to get before I try using it in a drink.
OK, remember it from wikipedia. I only have white sweet vermouth so that’s what’s in there.
Ah, the traditional is a 2:1 ratio of whiskey (rye) to sweet vermouth. The perfect modifier changes the 2:1 to a 4:1:1 with whiskey (rye) : sweet vermouth : dry vermouth.
Which bitter is it that you’re calling the Jager-tasting one? I’ve found cocktails that will even make the anise flavored gins taste good (and I hate anise).
My Manhattan recipe is 2.5 ounces rye to 3/4 ounce sweet vermouth. Two dashes of Peychaud’s bitters and a slice of orange peel.
Underberg. I’m mostly kidding, it actually tastes kind of pleasant. Just not what I expected.
I’ve mentioned this before, but shoot an Underberg and hold it in your mouth for about 20 seconds. Then sip a Guinness.
Woof. Underberg I’ve only seen in belts on the walls of local bars. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone order one either.
Spud:
I lack Guinness, but even so I don’t see what would possess me to do that.
I want to use it as a bitters anyway. It was amusing to find it on the supermarket shelf – it was one little bottle and the price tag on the shelf was wider than the space reserved for it.
When you follow that formula, the Guinness has the texture of heavy cream. I will admit that it’s been about 30 years since I’ve done that.
Huh. Dad mentioned sazeracs, so I looked it up. So that’s twice in one day I’ve heard of Peychaud’s.
That’s how I started this evening.
I probably had a little too much at the brewpub. I started during their happy hour special (have one drink, get the next at a penny). I had my third beer just after the happy hour special ended. Shit. Oh well. Dinner was good, a chorizo based dish. Good beer too. Now some hard liquor.
The unemployment rate is a BS stat. What’s the labor participation rate, and what direction is it heading?
It’s around 63% where it’s been hovering for the last 3 years, which is down from 67%. It dropped about 1% during the first decade of this century. Then since 2008 fell off a relative cliff to current levels. There seems to be a slight upward trend the last 2-3 years.
The interesting thing is though, if you dig into it, this is primarily being driven by teenagers (16-19) going from over 50% particpation rates to around 30%. There were some smaller falloffs of whites, blacks, and asians while hispanics, have maintained their participation rates. I suppose one might argue that is indication of them ‘takin our jerbs’, but really, my “pulled out of my ass” guess is that there’s some relation to minimum wage hikes and other labor regulations increasing. THe resulting higher cost of labor has driven the marginally employable out of the work place.
Anyway, if you have both unemployment numbers headed downward, and participation rates going up, that’s a good sign.
After Republicans took control of the House in 2010, they forced the federal government into austerity,
WTF timeline is Krugabe living in?
Imagine what would have happened to the national debt if the Dems had maintained control.
I only have so much booze.
If only we tried to prog harder…you sound like that old joke about a medical intern that was visiting a psych ward. He came across a patient that was furiously masturbating and asked the doctor what his problem was. “Oh, he has a condition where he needs to constantly ejaculate, it keeps him busy at least.” Then they came across another patient getting fellated by a nurse, and the intern again asked what his problem was: “Same condition, he just has commercial insurance.”
Fitting with the earlier comments on another post about hyperspermia.
Empty house means I’m writing a glibs article with the 1982 Indy 500 running in the background. I wish we had booze in the house, but alas we are dry today.
I’ve been contemplating putting together a series on old cocktails, but I fear I won’t do enough research on them.
And I do have favorites.
Wanna bet? I’ll give you really good odds.
Except on that one guy.
I’m starting the evening with a Mike’s Hard Black Cherry Lemonade. OK, guilty pleasure.
Annie Green Springs on deck?
MD20/20.
I thought you only wanted to pick up the young girls, not drink like them?
Someone get OMWC some burn ointment!
After sucking one down, I feel a pleasant buzz. And this being Arizona, cold, wet, and easy to drink are sines qua non.
De gustibus non est disputandum,
I’d recommend a light lager, or a nice wheat beer. But to each their own. Only place I’ve burned my legs getting into a car was in Arizona (Scottsdale).
Phoenix is a monument to man’s arrogance.
I’m currently overstocked with booze… A jug of Arnold Palmer with Ketel One peach vodka, gin and tonic, red and white wine, and about 1/3 of a bottle of Glenfidditch 15 Year. Decisions, decisions…
If it doesn’t rain tomorrow, some friends and I will be eating keema aloo on the back patio and depleting this alcohol overage.
I’ve read some strange shit on this website, but I believe that the strangest thing ever.
My wife says that every time she looks at the liquor shelf. Me? I think of the labels I don’t have at the moment and note how empty some bottles are. The stuff that isn’t going as fast is the stuff she’s asked for- brandy, liquor for bananas foster, etc and she’s never drank more than a capful.
Thankfully the girlfriend knows how I approach alcohol. I may have a lot, but certain ones only get opened on special occasions.
Is that like calling four guns and 200 rounds of ammo an arsenal?
OMG!
Oh, you mean after that horrendous boat accident…
What does she get after that?
/surprised you guys took that long to make the obvious joke
The graphics update in the latest Tropico 6 patch is awesome!
Haha damn, took me a second to realize the siren sound was the old guy whistling.
I’m almost exclusively into old music (early 1900s – 1940s) and enjoy some Lecuona Cuban Boys now and then.
You’re better than me. It took me almost the whole song!
Pretty awesome to see all these great guitarists come together and do this
https://youtu.be/6i0a7RDPkM8
I own the S01 soundtrack… awesome music even though I stopped watching in S02.
That was pretty fucking cool.
Those guitars are amazing. Would love to have them.
Is it time to shoot out music links yet? Here’s a fine country song with a hell of a guitar player:
https://youtu.be/xzImpR_HF7U
Saw him live right around that time with Tony Rice. Holy shit, what a great show.
I am finished my Laphroaig and will get some Bourbon.
I’ve lately been binge watching Candrsenal’s “Small Arms of WWI” Primers. I’m up to the Lee-Metford and MLE episode. It’s not badly done.
I started watching “girls”. Lena Dunham is an honest writer. She does not make her character a good person. Write what you know.
Probably a good thing I never watched that series.
I used to think that people don’t eat sweets while on the shitter but experience emptying the waste bins in the women’s loo has taught me otherwise. It’s fucking disgusting.
Bourbon time.
Noice!
I’ll have to pick up more on my road trip. I’m just about out.
I’ve moved on to Funkworks saison now. As I wait for the fire to die down.
I need to stop. I have work to do tomorrow.
I thought that’s exactly what it was.
https://mobile.twitter.com/abc/status/1129360388091523072
My friend aimed her phone at me with that filter activated, and I’m not gonna lie – I looked fucking hot.
Would you do you?
Well seeing as how I’ve already given myself numberless handjobs over the years, I might as well…
What a slut.
https://pics.me.me/putting-lotion-please-wait-while-windows-puts-the-lotion-in-49676675.png
Time for some Greenskeepers.
That was fantastic! I’m going to Hell, aren’t I?
Sure you did.
Ugh. https://media.tenor.com/images/4a7037efdf2e08767739bf9732051a1f/tenor.gif
According to the replies (not reading the article) ABC found exactly one person who complained.
ABC seems to be the most woke of the networks. *CNN not included.
I posted that earlier, not that anyone cares.
Nice – Pies/Saints at 11:30 tonight on Fox Soccer Plus.
Bought Tullamore Dew on sale. I can taste the night I split a bottle with my brother on the Pecos Baldy saddle watching a lightning storm roll over Santa Fe.
Hiking out the next morning was not fun.
Tonight is slow for a Friday, so I pulled my bottle of Remy Martin VSOP out of the safe. They say to draw high end clientele a lady has to act high end.
But I’m too drunk to give a shit anymore.
Finally broke down and opened the mini bottle of Dickel Tabasco variant. Actually not too bad. A little peppery flavor. I still maintain that their new master distiller is too wet behind the ears and has no business in the position.
Speaking of ears, just back from the vet’s. Doggy has yeast infection in both ears and now drops for the next week to clear it up.
I never did get the BOGO deal my local had on that. Was going to for bloody marry’s, then realized that I drink a bloody marry about once every 5 years.
If I weren’t cutting out sugar I’d drink them all the time. Or just Clamatos all day long.
Bloody Mary’s should have very little sugar, because the only sugar is what’s in tomato juice.
Doggy has yeast infection in both ears and now drops for the next week to clear it up.
Sorry. I hope doggy gets better soon.
Thanks. She’s such a trooper that it was hardly noticeable that it was infected. Just a little shaking and scratching every so often, usually when she she woke up in the morning. But when she started scratching, she’d do it to the point of yelping. And it wasn’t clearing up from usual ear wash.
If you would keep your junk out of the dogs ears, that wouldn’t happen.
Yeah, I’m drunk.
Sick dogs and sick kids. Two things that tap my near empty reservoir of sympathy. *Howls in solidarity*
My mood tonight.
https://youtu.be/ZWSPItDCOkI
Grrrr.
For dropping the ball last night, I Apologize.
You know who else’s balls didn’t drop in time?
Is there something you want to tell us?
aww nuts!
Don’t be testes.
I had something to add, but on second though, scratch that.
You are a true gentleman.
Warren Zevon, the guys from REM, and Prince’s song: what a fine combo:
https://youtu.be/jRMjSGBHz7E
Damn. Thanks for that. I didn’t know that existed.
A funny Warren story from the Wiki page:
Kind of quiet around here, so I’ll toss this out. My nephew in the states has been coming around to a more libertarianish way of thinking. His mom (my sister) is a fucking car wreck of wokeness. He was indoctrinated in leftist BS his whole life, but now at age 22 he’s rejecting some of it. He’s coming to liberty, but from the left. Oh, and he came out as gay a year ago.
I went from left to apathy to anti left to libertarian. The nephew is eager to have discussions with me and keeps messaging me on FB. I’m hesitant to push him in my direction. I’d probably fuck it up.
Then don’t push. Just answer his questions and let him know you are always available to talk.
Seconded.
I’m just asking if anyone here has flipped a lefty. I’ve flipped 3 or 4 conservatives, but never a lefty. Go with finding common ground or directly challenge his wrong id as. Scott Horton says to attack the left from the left and the right from the right. I’m not sure about that.
I haven’t flipped a lefty, but I think Mike’s advice is the way to go. Answer his questions, let him work from the answers to come around.
Yeah, don’t nag.
I’m not nagging him. He’s the one who’s instigating the conversations. We’ve debated min wage and other things over the years. Something clicked in his head recently and I’m not sure what it is.
It sounds like you have a good handle on it. +1 libertarian
I can’t I’ve “flipped a lefty” but I’ve found common ground quite easily and got them to think.
Sometimes, just planting a seed of doubt in someone’s mind can have a big effect years later.
My brother is a pretty hardcore “progressive”, but a few times I’ve gotten him to admit that many regulations are counterproductive and cronyist in purpose. He even said one time, “I wish there were fewer regulations on dental care; I think I should be allowed to just see the hygienist for a cleaning without having to pay for the dentist, since most of the time the dentist doesn’t actually do anything.”
At the very least, I try to present a well-reasoned case for libertarianism so that I deny them the chance to think that all libertarians are just atheist, basement-dwelling, fedora-wearing neckbeards.
(OK, I may be an atheist and the owner of several fedoras, but I live in my own house and shave every day!)
Well, I don’t know if I’ve completely flipped anyone, but when I do proselytize, I really focus on liberty and the NAP. Like I said, I don’t think I’ve completely flipped anyone yet, but I’ve certainly made some inroads with that. If he’s a smart kid, and apparently showing some signs of wanting to leave the reservation, that might be all he needs.
I’ve never seen a lefty accept the premises of the NAP.
Fuck no I can’t even get one to debate me unless it’s in a comments section. Several of my wife’s friends are lefties. I get along with all of them except one, but avoid politics to keep the wife happy.
Will he read Quillette or Areo? You might send him there to read some articles that tend toward the anti-prog and esp anti-university-prog which he probably already has experienced. Not ‘libertarian’ as such, but it seems like anti-programming/red-pilling is the first stage minimum. Some of the cult-like features of it become quite evident once you’re able to take a step back from it.
I don’t know if he’s ready for conservative gays but later on, it might not be a bad idea to float that they exist and have written books and such, so he knows he’s not alone (and that right-wingers really aren’t the hideous anti-Gay monsters that the Advocate likes to pretend they are?)
My guess is that he has what Jonathan Haidt calls “the conservative mind” but due the BS he was raised in he concocted some philosophy to fit with the feminist lunacy (my sister). He values loyalty (a traditionally conservative value) and so he’s be betraying his mom if he rejected her philosophy. We know that rejecting manipulation isn’t wrong, but it’s still a tall order for some. Quillette and Greenwald have been useful. I suppose you gotta clear the junk out of his head before you put new ideas in. Thanks.
“Ain’t Nobody’s Business if You Do” is great. You can find a free download on the Download tab on under the hamburger at the top of the page.
Rand got me started, but I realized she was seriously fucked up when I found out she loved Vivaldi and hated Beethoven.
This book really made me a libertarian. I don’t think the author ever uses the word.
This x1000
It is one of the top 2 or 3 things that got me thinking.
Seconded. That is a great book. I was libertarian before I read it, but it was still a great read.
Thirded. There is a free pdf of that one I think.
How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World is also a great one, wished I’d read it at twenty.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/how-i-found-freedom-in-an-unfree-world-metaphysicspiritcom-e14371805.html
Link and all. Sweet.
And thx for the replies. Gotta get back to work. Check in later.
My sisters guy friend is a hardcore lefty, as is she. After a few drinks, we got into politics. I asked him several questions that got a “yes” answer. “Do you believe in the Constitution?”. “Do you believe in the rule of law?”. “Do you believe in the right of self determination?”. “Do you believe in a small government, responsive to the will of the people?”. After answering in the affirmative to all of those, I said, “congratulations, you’re a Constitutional Conservative”. I thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head.
In my experience, some Lefties can be brought around to admitting that big government has very harmful effects. The problem is that they think the only alternative is being ruled by corporations. That’s when you have to explain to them that the negative things they experience from corporations are due to the government stifling competition and picking winners and losers in the market.
Absolutely. His focus is purely on corporations, whereas I focus on crony capitalism. He just can’t deal with the combination of the two.
I came to libertarianism from a more liberal (never progressive) outlook. Going to UC Berkeley really turned me against leftism. Economics was the last thing for me. I’ve always liked self ownership, I was just never exposed to the economic arguments in a real way. If he likes to read I would recommend “Basic Economics” by Sowell. Or some of Sowell’s videos on Youtbe (even tho I’d say Sowell is more conservative than libertarian).
Lessons learned from day one of dehydrating food:
1) Consistency in thickness of food stuffs is paramount.
2) Don’t load up all the trays with many different foods. One type of food per tray, if not only one per session.
3) Dehydrated kiwis are amaze-balls
4) It’s fun and I wish I had done it years ago
1) Consistency in thickness of food stuffs is paramount.
If you don’t already have a mandoline, that’ll give you consistent slices.
I don’t, but I will. Thanks!
Just watch your fingers with that thing.
I’ve only nicked myself once, and I’m quite careful.
Fuck, I have one of those but I can’t work the damn thing. I’m not an idiot in the kitchen but that fucking thing just eluded me.
Whereas you don’t actually need a mandolin if you have excellent knife skills, that takes a lot of practice. Although, you can buy a food processor with a blade that pretty much does the same thing.
My knife skills are decent, so I just stick with that.
This is true, a mandoline is not required, given good knife skills – but it’s the consistency, especially with small cuts, that eludes me.
It’s also really fast – when I’m making cucumber salad, I love how fast I can just tear through the cukes – just have to watch your fingers as you get near the end.
(that’s a super-tasty salad – probably the only Betty Crocker recipe I’ve ever made).
I find it damn near intuitive, but maybe it’s just the one I have – the older Oxo with the straight blade; looks like they’ve switched to a diagonal blade or a V-shaped blade.
I think mine is an Oxo. Every time I tried it, I just wound up with a mess. I’m sure I was doing something wrong.
Deli grade meat slicer or GTFO!
I’ve honestly thought about getting one of those before. I’m big into making my own Canadian bacon, and I’ve been dreaming about how fucking good that would be if it were sliced paper-thin and piled high on one of my homemade baguettes.
My mom has one she never uses that I could have if I wanted, but I don’t buy enough meat to justify having it. Not that I don’t love meat, that I can’t afford to buy that much.
Yes, do it.
1) Consistency in thickness of food stuffs is paramount.
I think there is a euphemism in there related to girth.
+1 Short, but not too big around
That’s a good song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX28hdWBrhU
Rod (the real one) is a big guilty pleasure.
When you’re doing something like jerky, you want the meat close to frozen, just for slice consistency.
Yeah, good tip. But I had the butcher slice the meat on their slicer. It’s now marinating.
To keep me busy I did some fruit today. Strawberries, kiwi, banana, apple, pineapple, blueberries, and tomatoes.
Looking forward to your review. I’ve never done this jerky without three hours of smoke.
*hangs head*
My wife (who works in the meat dept of a grocery store) saw that they had some jerky seasoning on clearance, so she got it for me and I went with it to get my feet wet. I will be trying your recipe soon.
Ironic headline of the year nomination:
Stripped of women’s records, transgender powerlifter asks, where do we ‘draw the line?’
Science!
It really isn’t that complicated.
Very much this.
“biology and reality is not that simple”
I just lost 20 IQ points.
What, again? I keed I keed.
Here’s my one-line solution to solving the transgender sports controversy once and for all:
Sporting associations should all be private (since organizing athletic events is not a legitimate government function) and they should segregate based on what their paying customers want.
Bless your heart.
Wouldn’t it be nice…
I’m not even going to link the obvious musical reference.
But I will play it for myself and enjoy.
After you do that you should treat yourself to the heavenly vocals only of a song you know.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Um3MhkU0u7k
Nice.
Something different, but also soothing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=koa6olSfZ94
No idea what that is, but also nice.
The weird thing about this whole transgender mania that has gripped the culture is how the left have avoided applying it to race. Race is a far more of an invented concept than biological sex. And yet someone like that Dolezaal woman got pilloried by progressives. I know they are allowed to have totally contradictory views and not make logical arguments, but it’s kinda strange it hasn’t been thrown back in their face like it should.
THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!1!!!!!!111!1
I know exactly why the left doesn’t want to have that argument. I’m just surprised it hasn’t really been pushed by their opponents.
Umm…~0.1% (if that) of society is changing, transitioning if you will. Not sure if the activation energy is there to actually change the other 99.9%.
Late nighter perk.
Bernie Sanders 2020!
I always love Winston’s mom, but reading/thinking economics after dealing with finance/number crunching all week at work is a turn off. My lowly brain processor just can’t deal.
Stock buybacks perplex me. Dealing with this at work. It’s a freebie for Mgmt as they can meet their EPS targets that much easier. The money would be better spent on software, automation, staffing at a level that’s almost getting to be sufficient, etc.
Anyway, cheers! It’s a good night to get a serious buzz on.
Demolition Man is the greatest anti-progressive movie since long before progressivism was a thing anyone took seriously.
I forgot about that movie. I wonder how many proggies would recognize themselves in it.
Bernie gets a hard on with only one fast food option.
‘Nobody needs 35 kinds of Taco Bell!’
“Bernie gets a hard on ….”
I would bet it’s only figurative.
But what the hell do you do with the three sea shells?!
Snicker.
It was obvious…I thought you were an intelligent man, but obviously not.
I’d debate why the armory exhibit has ammunition, but you know what, after decades of progressive monoculture, sure. Why not.
This
LOL Taco Bell was changed to Pizza Hut in the European version. I only know ‘cuz I’m watching it on putlocker, ‘cuz I’m cheap.
Of course the meals are still tiny gourmet tacos.
Just ate Taco Bell for lunch. It’ll be another 10 years before I do that again. Yuck.
*pushes glasses up and raises finger* I knew that already.
Book now for reservations to the Taco Bell Hotel and Resort. Love me some t bell, but I don’t think I’ll be checking in soon.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/taco-bell-wants-you-to-spend-the-nightat-its-new-palm-springs-hotel.html
OT- But serious question for the Glibertariat. Can you have more than one female in a room before the situation escalates into petty sniping and hurt feeling? The reason I ask is that Wifey and her Horse Club are on a long planned vacation at a luxury resort in the Okanagan and the situation just blew up. Recriminations, tears, tire-squealing exits, the whole nine yards. These are all post-menopausal women that scrimped and saved all winter for their fantastic trip. Do they ever outgrow the lunchroom?
How post the pause you talking? Maybe they ain’t so post.
They’re all pushing 60 so not fecund no more.
In my experience there are women who really have grown up. The left the petty stuff behind and they are interested in building and maintaining bonds. What you described is very rare with this group.
Then there are women who have grown older but socially could go back to high school tomorrow. You already know what happens with them.
Wifey is one. She pretty much always sails on an even keel but her friends *shudders*
To them, what you described IS a “fantastic trip.”
Why can’t the wimmins cant just chill they fuck out? That’s a questioned I’ve pondered on occasion as well.
Horse trailers, livery, food and booze, scheduling and expense just gone like a puff of fairy dust. Silly wimmins. Oh I can’t wait for the old folks home, that should be pretty epic…
Did they all give up on the trip and head home?
Just one but it poisoned the well. I didn’t bother to ask what this trip set us back but I’m guessing a set of high-end golf clubs.
Horse people be nuts. That is why they own horses to begin with. The horses don’t drive them crazy, the owning of horses is a symptom.
This has been my experience, as well.
Some people create drama where none is required. This is known.
From your lips to Loki’s ears.
I hate to collectivize based on habits seemingly unrelated to personality, but… I can’t deny it.
Checking out for the night.
Night, Deg.
G’night DEG. Thanks for the parting tune.
FFS. Don’t you even fucking thinking about electing this POS, America.
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/05/17/politics/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FpWjjR1eK2p
In complete contradiction to what is actually happening e.g. in NYC, where charters serving mostly minorities have miles-long waiting lists.
But his base is white progs so who gives a fuck, right?
They wouldn’t choose such a bad option if they didn’t have the choice, amirite?
It’s crazy how hard Bern’s base is working against the people he supposedly champions. Astonishing, really. The power of propaganda, I guess.
Yes it is. I genuinely wonder if there are black parents whose kids go to charteschools who will publicly speak out against Team Blue candidates who are anti-charter school.
Choice is very overrated. Overrated, I tell ya! Just creates too much confusion. Bettah ta have one choice, that’s a good choice.
++ good
Texas woman taken off life support against family’s wishes – then a pro-life group stepped in
I dunno. If that ever happened to me I’d gladly let them cover my face with a pillow and then blow my head off with some double-ought.
Right. But it wasn’t her making the choice. It was a
death panelethics commission.Did they step in at two minutes to midnight? (See what I did there MikeS?)
Three minutes to midnight. We went over this last night.
Just about to live[n] after midnight.
By gump, I did, and logged in just to say, “Ha!”
https://youtu.be/kgAyiQgBL88
Hawt
I’m not much of a Dokken fan but they got this one right.
https://youtu.be/9maDHDtWo1o
Heh. Hair Metal, wherein the boys had tighter pants and larger “product’ budgets than the girls. I don’t miss it.
Why the majority of people in cities elect idiots.
Pollution causes depression which makes you want the rest of the country to be as miserable as you are. At least that was my take away.
They’re like rats in a lab. Free stuff is good! Y’know, I rebelled pretty hard against Skinnerism for a long time but the older and more jaded that I’ve become I think maybe he was onto something.
Just surgically cleaned the main bathroom in our house. I do this for a living but like the old cliche says, “The cobbler’s son goes roughshod”. Fuck, I’m a slob and Wifey is a flighty hoarder. Next stop, floors…
“Well I get up at Two PM and go to work at Nine” https://youtu.be/ndjCXG_c9kk
Night owl?
Night Custodian. I’m Nosferatu. Of course Wifey works opposite shifts so I might see her for about ten minutes before I leave for work. Yes, yes I do haunt these boards long after everybody else goes sleepy-bye. I worked a swing-shift in a mill once that was 2 AM to 10:30. Brutal. No life.
No life? That’s what you get for disparaging Big Hair upthread.
Tsk tsk tsk…
Allow me my prejudices in my dotage, Good Sirrah!
Well, if it keeps the peace…
And don’t call me Sarah.
up for golf
Does this involve prey animals, or, are you currently in Texas?
Question or statement? I used to love the game but all of my partners moved away or got busy having families and lame shit like that. I was never very consistent but did manage my handicap to a respectable level. Now I’m basically a shut-in. If I didn’t have to leave the house for work and beer runs I’d probably die right here in my chair.
My Spirit Animal. https://youtu.be/hM7LCXiWOSI “I am the Janitor and I sweep and I wipe!”
Carl is my spirit animal:
https://youtu.be/3CoIgQ4ZeKc
I know at least four guys that are Carl. They reproduced and I never did. Idiocracy, here we come!
That is….damn.
Hey, if I want depressive smart-asses I don’t have to build them. I just come to the Glib store and they’re free! Free, I tells ya!
So much this.
https://youtu.be/CIDDEIWhuRU
Okay, just for fun! https://youtu.be/pxaVQbi6m9c
Hi, Sammy! I’m Sir Digby, and, let me just say that those are beautiful, um, butterflies.
/ rockin’ the purple, indeed.
Hey, this is both the latest AND earliest I’ve been glibbing. Hmmm….
Welcome to my woooorld!
No offense, but, I would prefer to be in Sammy’s world. 😉
Fer sure! Did I mention that Wifey’s been away for a week?
Will you help her process her wonderful vacay? Returning with extra baggage is never fun.
Also, Sammy reminds me of the blue edit fairy that showed up here a few times last year.
She was, indeed, magical.
In my experience, chunky girls are the most vocal and demanding. YMMV
Really? I s’pose I’ve seen it, but not really the norm in my experience.
“Sammy” and blue fairy are models, though, so I can imagine that could go with the territory.
Still, wouldn’t mind the opportunity to test that…
The process is part and parcel. That’s why I’ve been cleaning like a demon before her Sister shows up on Sunday. Good times, good times…
Was her sister involved in that? Or, just handling household business and giving her less to concern herself with?
Or, both?
Devout Christian that ran away from her vows after thirty years of marriage for some dude that lived in Alaska. He promptly died so the family is moving her back to Sumas. Her son is still up there fighting a palimony suit.
From one Christian to another, I’d tell her I absolutely get it, but, maybe God is trying to tell ya something. Plus, what is it about Alaska and court-ordered payments to family members. Something in the snow?
It’s Canada squared, apparently. All of the touchy-feelly non-sense, lovely vistas and more assholes then you could shake a stick at. I used to live in the Queen Charlotte Islands and I’d imagine the similarities are striking.
How was that version of island life? Apart from what you described…