I am an engineer. That means I live a pretty boring life. I go to work; I sit at a desk; I stare at a computer; some days I write stuff. Occasionally, I have to travel somewhere to talk to people about the stuff I write.
In the middle ’90s, circumstances required me to travel to Moscow 19 times to talk about the stuff I wrote back then. Yes, it was exactly 19 times. After 15 or 16 times, I began to think that maybe I didn’t need to keep exact count. Then one day while waiting to clear customs to check in with the airline to fly home (yeah, you need to clear customs before you can even talk to the airline staff), I was chatting with another guy. He mentioned he was on his 35th trip to Moscow. So, I guess you never actually stop counting.
I was there during the boring times. In other words, the middle of Boris Yeltsin’s presidency. Some of my co-workers were lucky, they got to be in country when Boris was standing on the tank yelling at the people who wanted to overthrow the government. The leadership of the company we were working with took my co-workers out to the countryside and “hosted” them at their dachas for an extended stay. Somehow a work trip turned into a paid vacation. Lucky bastards. I mean, who gets to visit a real, authentic dacha in post-Soviet Russia?
In contrast, I only had to worry about the Chechens, who had started bombing the subways and buses while I was making multiple trips to Moscow. But the bombings in the middle ’90s were chickenshit; the real stuff with the Chechens wouldn’t start until much later, i.e., the late ’90s. Still, it was a recurring issue at the breakfast table each day — take a taxi to work and hope you weren’t robbed and murdered by the cabbie or take the subway or trolleys and hope you weren’t blown up by the Chechens. Realistically, it was a low probability either way, but at least the company insurance would pay out double for a death occurring on company travel.
This was also the time when the mob came out of hiding. One day, on the way back to the hotel after a day of meetings, I got to see a minor spectacle in the hotel parking lot. Some collection of mobsters had murdered another mobster in his Mercedes in the parking lot. The Russians have a slightly different take on human dignity. They don’t bother to cover bodies with sheets. Instead, the police just dragged the body out of the bullet-ridden Mercedes and laid him out on the lawn.
The bellhop in the lobby assured me that everything was OK, because the mob respected the hotel I was staying at as evidenced by the hit taking place in the parking lot instead of the mobsters shooting the victim in the hotel lobby like they did the month before in downtown Moscow (at a 4-star business hotel).
When I got back to my room, I could look down from ten stories at the Mercedes, the body, and the police who came and went for the next two hours before someone finally came to haul away the corpse. As usual, the end of the day in Moscow is the beginning of the day back home, so there was the normal phone call to the office to discuss status and talk about what little progress was achieved during the meetings with the Russians. The call started with the normal chit-chat, how’s it going, etcetera. So, I said, not too bad. The meetings were productive. By the way, I am looking out my window and staring at the corpse of a murdered mobster stretched out on the lawn in front of the hotel. And the weather is pretty good today, but I think will stay in at the hotel for dinner tonight.
By this time, I have made the transition from newbie who has no idea how anything in Russia works, to the old guy in charge of keeping newbies from getting into trouble because they have no idea how anything in Russia works. One piece of advice that I was given early on was to photocopy my passport and visa before traveling to Moscow and then to lock the real passport and visa in the hotel safe on arrival. American passports were a valuable commodity in Russia at that time. And after having my pocket picked on two separate occasions in Moscow, the wisdom of that advice had settled in. So, I passed that advice on to the new guy who was about to make his first trip to Moscow.
Ah, yes, the new guy. Imagine a ginger version of Alfred E. Neuman with less personality. He talked incessantly, while never, ever saying anything worth paying attention to. We were going to Moscow on a 9-day trip in late January or early February, meaning I was going to be trapped with the guy during the worst weather of the year over the weekend with pretty much nothing to do. So, it was going to be a long, long trip if everything went well.
Before we left, I gave him all the basics. Inflation is running rampant in Russia. The exchange rate has gone from 4000 rubles per dollar to 5000 rubles per dollar in about a year’s time. Only a handful of businesses will take credit cards. And when they do, they want to charge in dollars. And most Russian businesses don’t want to take rubles; they want hard currency – American dollars or German marks. Street vendors will take rubles, but you really don’t want to buy any food from a street vendor. So, you’ll have to carry several hundred dollars in brand new, small bills (the Russians will refuse torn and tattered bills). Don’t dress like an American. No blue jeans; no sneakers; no fancy micro-fiber, down-filled parkas. I don’t care how cold it is going to be. You wear a wool coat or a leather jacket, plain twill pants, and basic leather work shoes. Oh, and the Russians don’t wear hats in winter. If it is really bad they’ll put on a ushanka (the fur hat with the ear flaps), but they never use the ear flaps. {One day it’s -25 C, and the local engineer is not using the ear flaps. He says it’s not cold enough yet}. Don’t take any taxi from the street. Call the hotel and have them send a taxi if you really need one. And don’t forget, photocopy your passport and visa, then lock them in the hotel safe as soon as we check in.
So, I get Alfred into Moscow on a Tuesday and get him to his meetings each day and to dinner each night for the first couple of days. Finally, it’s Friday; the jet lag is starting to wear off; and we have a long dreary weekend ahead of us. Time for a decent meal and some American kitsch – off to Planet Hollywood Moscow we go.
I’ve been there several times by now, and it’s easy enough to get there. We walk half a mile from the hotel down to a major subway station that has five or six trolley lines radiating out. A fifteen-minute ride on one of the trolleys gets us two blocks from Planet Hollywood. Then it’s just a quick walk down to the restaurant. It should have been easy.
Alfred is a late 30s, college-educated engineer who is making the transition to project management. He is supposedly a bright guy that can understand and follow simple directions. And yet on this frigid Moscow night, the ginger with the big ears is wearing a lovely London Fog trench coat, pin-stripe suit pants, and highly-polished wingtips. He doesn’t exactly look Russian. And as we are walking towards Planet Hollywood, a young man in a military uniform steps out of the shadows and makes a beeline for Alfred jabbering in Russian all the way over. I have just enough Russian to understand he is asking for Alfred’s papers. I say hello or something innocuous to the officer, and he realizes that I am not Russian either. He demands my papers, and I offer up my photocopied passport and visa. The officer is not happy with my photocopies, but I explain that they real papers are at the hotel. He scowls and shoves my photocopies back at me, then turns to Alfred.
Alfred is staring blankly with a stupid grin on his face. I tell him to show his photocopies to the officer. Alfred says that he doesn’t have any photocopies with him. So, I ask him where they are. He says he didn’t make any. Ok, so where is your real passport and visa. Uh, they’re in the safe at the hotel. Why are they at hotel – you know you can’t walk around Moscow without these papers right. Uh no, why is that. Because you’re a foreigner in a foreign land remember.
While we are talking, the Russian officer is getting short tempered and demanding to see Alfred’s papers. So, I try to explain to the officer that Alfred’s papers are at the hotel. The officer has had enough, and he grabs Alfred by the arm and starts pulling him towards that back of the building we are standing in front of. I follow behind asking what is going on. The officer tries repeatedly to shoo me away, but eventually gives up.
We walk through a door at the back of the building, and I see that we have entered some sort of miniature police station. There is a counter on our left and a jail cell on the right. There are three grimy old dudes and one college student in the cell. It is still early on Friday night, and yet all are seriously inebriated. Behind the counter is the stereotypical police sergeant – a tyrant in his own little kingdom. He stands and walks to the counter, then he starts a heated conversation with the officer that has dragged Alfred into the station. The drunks in the cell are watching as intently as they can given their limited ability to focus.
Both the sergeant and the officer turn to Alfred and start asking questions in Russian. Alfred continues to grin stupidly while understanding nothing that is going on. The college student staggers over to the bars of the cell and speaks to us in broken English; he volunteers to translate for us. He tells us that the sergeant is asking for Alfred’s papers. I explain that Alfred has locked his papers in the hotel safe and does not have them on his person. It is his first trip to Moscow, and he has made a mistake. The student translates my answer for the sergeant, but the sergeant is visibly disdainful. We have several iterations of the sergeant demanding Alfred’s papers and me explaining that Alfred doesn’t have them on his person – all by way of drunken college kid. Finally, I get an idea, and I suggest the sergeant call the hotel to verify that Alfred is a registered guest there.
He stops talking for a moment as he thinks about my suggestion. While he is deep in thought, I reach into my wallet and pull out the business card for the hotel. There is paper and a pen on the counter. So, I write out Alfred’s name in phonetic Russian. The sergeant picks up the business card and reads Alfred’s name from the paper. He shrugs his shoulders, reaches for the phone, and dials the hotel.
Think of every old movie you’ve ever seen with a Russian officer bellowing into a telephone. It’s real. He stands up straighter, puffs out his chest, and raises his volume three notches. The only part I can understand is him spelling Alfred’s name over and over into the phone. Eventually, he stops talking and listens for a short while. He puts down the phone, turns, and starts berating Alfred. The drunken student can’t keep up, but it appears the sergeant is going to let Alfred go. The officer we came in with gestures towards the door. I start pushing Alfred from behind.
Once we are back outside, the officer is all smiles and wishes us a good evening. He even helps us walk carefully over some icy patches, then waves as we head towards the street. Alfred is still grinning stupidly; he is somehow blissfully unaware that he almost spent the entire weekend in a Russian jail.
At the street, Alfred turns to head down to Planet Hollywood. I ask him where the hell he thinks he’s going. He says to the restaurant. I say hell no, we’re going back to the hotel. Why he asks. Because, you almost got lost in the Russian legal system. Assuming we could even find you, it would be Monday at the earliest before anyone would be able to get you out. Nah, he says, everything worked out fine. I tell him whatever, but I am taking him back to the hotel. Once we’re there, he can do whatever he wants. Back at the hotel, I make Alfred get his passport and visa from the hotel safe while I wait with him. I tell he can’t leave the hotel without them. By the way, if they get stolen, you’re really fucked. So be careful.
We have dinner in the hotel bar. I explain, as though talking to a 6-year-old, that logic and reason don’t exist in Russia. I remind him that Winston Churchill said Russia was a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. I get blank face and a stupid grin in response. I don’t think he ever got it.
Every time we leave the hotel for the next week, I ask him if he has his passport and visa. Surprisingly, he doesn’t complain; he just nods yes and grins. I got him home in one piece at the end of the trip. I never traveled with him again. He made a couple more trips to Moscow without getting himself arrested and starting an international incident. So, he must have learned something. Or perhaps the gods occasionally take pity on the idiots of the world.
I only made one or two more trips to Moscow after this. My boss picked up a new project to watch over, and he dragged me into as punishment I suppose. There’s no other justification for being forced to work with the French. On several occasions, with important people in the room, I said the French made me miss working with the Russians. Although, the wine was much better.
There are ugly Americans and there are dumb Americans. Sometimes, there are ugly dumb Americans.
Ugly Americans was a good show.
*adds Russia to list of items that won’t ever make it onto bucket list*
I’m sure it’s completely different now.
Probably worse.
I would add China but I’ve already been there. Won’t go again.
Two trips to Guangzhou. Combines the worst elements of Moscow with the worst elements of Hong Kong.
Sounds like Russia is a shithole.
Haven’t you ever read the Russian bride sites? Most of the girls say the same thing –
“I will do anything, just please for the love of God, get me the hell out of here”
There needs to be Shitholedating.com.
Let’s Kickstart this shit.
Isn’t that already being served by farmersonly.com?
Do people in the suburbs kinda get it?
Where do I sign up? I mean to invest or work on the site. Although we could have one of those commercials about how we are not just clients, but actually owners like the hair club guy used to do…
Ditto. I’m sure it’s a lovely place. That’s why there’s such a thing as photography.
Meh i would like to se sankt petersburg
Oh sure, I’d like to. But I won’t. Not under the current regime or any that seems likely to succeed it.
I read through that and no one woke up in a Russian hospital.
I demand a refund of my $0.00
The nurses are hot but it is a trap
Don’t settle for just your $0.00. Demand double your money back!
I have a bunch of meeting this afternoon. I will check in when I can.
if you were savvy in 90s Russia you would not need to work today.
Or I’d be dead.
get rich or die trying amiright?
Oh I left he 1980s behind in Thunder Bay, and found myself in the 1970s in Superior. And this time, yes, it is the aesthetic of the hotel room.
So what is on your agenda?
I have no idea.
I can probably give you a tour of an aircraft manufacturing plant. Unless you are foreign-born (ITAR restrictions and Homeland security, donchaknow)
Do you like airplanes?
Ever been in a Turkish prison?
I am a seventh generation US citizen, so put me down as “Native American”. I’ve never been to turkey, let alone one of their prisons. However, I have recently interacted with foreigners and recently returned from a foreign country.
lucky_nickel at proton mail.com
I sent an email.
It was nice to meet you in person, UCS.
Good luck on the rest of your journey in flyover land.
The Anchor Bar has good burgers
Thirsty Pagan Brewery has good pizza
On the other side of the bridge, in Duluth:
Pizza Luche has good pizza
Northern Waters Smokehaus has excellent smoked fish and dried sausages
Breweries everywhere
The lift bridge
Gooseberry falls park is up the shore
Split Rock Lighthouse is further up the shore
Sorry not much going on around here at the moment. We are just waking up from hibernation. It snowed less than a week ago.
Duluth Pack store. Or Frost River.
Buy yourself a new backpack.
Still here and 100 miles from Superior, UCS. A place to sleep and all by your self so you won’t feel lonely.
Go to the the Lake Superior Railroad Museum
And go wander around Canal Park. See the lift bridge, go to the Maritime Museum and if you’r lucky, watch a big ship come in.
Fitgers is kinda cool, too.
There are some places near here that I swear could have been used for the 1970s scenes in Godfather II.
Superior is the land that time forgot. So dreadful.
Say what you will, Duluth caught which way the wind was blowing and changed.
Too much. Our progressive city council does some really stupid shit: Restrictions on flavored tobacco, buying the downtown strip club and spending hundreds of millions to make it ADA compliant so that it can compete with all the rest of the theater / movie houses, land swaps with the local native american casino (one half of a block of downtown Duluth is tribal land), spending $8 million to fix a stupid pedestrian bridge. BUT THEY CAN”T FIND ANY MONEY TO FIX THE STREETS!
At least you can drive in Superior without your fillings falling out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/duluth/comments/bu119m/driving_over_a_pothole_after_the_city_authorities/
Exactly how many Russian bots are in this chatroom?
All of them
We are not Russian bots, we are merely here to inform you that you could be earned 8,000$ per day from home working.
Amerika best country!
The question is, how many Tulpas are in this chatroom?
There is only one Tulpa. Tulpa is a collective.
TICKNOLOGY!
Ah good ol russia. Romania had some weird times post commie but nothing like that. You should have help ol alfred get laid with a nice russian lady as reward for not getting killed on your watch.
Also
Inflation is running rampant in Russia. The exchange rate has gone from 4000 rubles per dollar to 5000 rubles per dollar in about a year’s time.
That aint rampant inflation my American fruend
The exchange rate under the Soviet Union was roughly 1 ruble per 1 US dollar. In three years, it went to 4,000 rubles to 1 dollar. A year later it was 5,000. The next year, the Russians dropped three zeros from all their paper bills. Didn’t change the design, so you would see 1 ruble notes that were otherwise identical to 1,000 ruble notes.
Other places have been worse, but none of them were nuclear powers.
Romania dropped 4 zeros at some point. Although more than 20 years later some people still say a million lei instead of 100
I have been fortunate enough to travel and work abroad extensively. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve been to Prague and Tokyo and Lyon and Luxembourg and Santiago and Capetown and Beijing and… but never been to Russia and if I have my way, I never will. You have reinforced all of my prejudices- it’s like Wisconsin but without the veneer of politeness and cheese curds.
you never met a Russian 6 year old I see
I can get a Moldovan cheaper.
It is easy to do dumb stuff in a strange country but Alfred sounds like he has the syndrome where you assume that everyone is like us. They aren’t and it is their country, not yours. Your rules don’t apply.
I’d say more spectrum than syndrome, IYKWIM.
Intercultural competence is an aggregate of traits that are advantageous for successful interaction with individuals from other cultures. These traits include a) being cognitively aware of how context contributes to meaning in communication (pragmatics), b) cognitive flexibility in reclassification and recategorization of novel information instead of forcing it into pre-existing schemata, c) a high tolerance of ambiguity, d) the willingness and ability to adapt one’s behavioral patterns to accommodate the norms and expectations of the host culture, and e) the ability to empathize with individuals who might have a completely different value system and world perspective than you do.
When it comes to your typical engineer, I think of only “b,” (sometimes) with “a,” “c,” “d,” and “e” as the antithesis of traits that attract one to that profession (particularly “c”).
Jus’ sayin’.
Have you… actually met an engineer?
Because a) and c) are pretty much required for the job. Without a) you can’t have any form of transduction, and the literal definition of “tolerance” has to do with ambiguity/uncertainty.
Now a lot of people like to accuse others of not understanding ambiguity or context when what’s really going on is they are being called out for changing definitions of words between/within sentences to falsely sustain an argument. Which leads to things like the sum of all positive integers being -1/12
I see (once again) my dropping red pills touched a nerve.
I’m not sure exactly how you are using transduction (I assume as it is used in logic and AI?), but I was referring to natural language communication. Considering that digital circuits and torsion bars don’t have cultures, one who is cognitively aware of the context in which the utterance was spoken/written would grasp the entailment. So thanks for providing evidence to support “a”.
As for “c,” I agree, which is why the word tolerance is modified by “high”. Are you saying your typical civil engineer would be comfortable if he asked what the load bearing tolerance for bridge’s girders and the answer is “I dunno, 0.001 to 10,000 psi? Give or take 1,000,000 lol?” I wouldn’t hire that guy. Having a low tolerance for ambiguity isn’t a bad thing. I want my bridge builders and neurosurgeons to have a low tolerance of ambiguity when they are working at their jobs.
And as for your first question, I know plenty of engineers – most of the ones I know have senses of humor and thick skins when busting balls.
And as for your first question, I know plenty of engineers – most of the ones I know have senses of humor and thick skins when busting balls.
The Engineers I deal with fall into two broad categories regarding sense’s of humor:
1. Evil practical joking bastards
2. Autists who find hu mor confusing and disruptive of proper data exchange
The best kind.
I remember the time I switched the Windows 95 loadup screen image on a college buddy’s laptop to that of a midget getting a blowjob. Now, I did make a backup and had it on floppy disk waiting for him to call me…but no, he decided to spend like 3 hours with Microsoft support first. He was going to kill me when I asked him “Well, what did you tell tech support was the problem?” He then just smiled and we had a good laugh.
A couple of coworkers and myself got into a war of homepage/wallpaper resetting (which I won thanks to suicidesuspenison.com and BME.com). This ended when our female boss walked in one day to a hypercloseup image of a guy with a full bifurcation on one of their computers.
Oh jesus, that reminds me of “beepware”. A friend from high school wrote a program that, when run, would do two things: 1. fire off the PC speaker and 2. disable the keyboard. So, the challenge became coming up with increasingly annoying ways to trick people into running the program. His crowning achievement was to get a mutual friend to accidentally run it in a community college library.
Bear in mind, this was in the 90s, and he’d dropped out of high school in his junior year to take CS classes at said community college, which quickly became skipping classes to hang out with the campus sysadmin who he knew from a bbs and screw around on the various Unix boxes.
First of all, I expect more from you than “lol u mad?”
I am using transduction to mean “the transformation of one signal form to another.” Or in other words, the derivation and preservation of meaning between different physical states. A change in pressure gets changed to a change in electrical current, gets changed to a meaning in a human mind. Yes, maybe there are some stupid engineers that actually think they are concerned with the shape of the curve on their monitor, but I’m sure there are stupid professors of linguistics out there too. In other other words, context.
And thank you for proving my point — The actual context of your statement was simple tribalistic outgroup bashing not elucidation, but when called on it you quickly hide behind “lol, engeneerz so stoopid lol”
Try being a lawyer for a day if jokes about your profession and its stereotypical attributes bother you this much.
*ahem* I work for the DMV. Lawyers ain’t got nothing on us – you get jokes, at least. I just hear anger.
*ahem* I work for the DMV. Lawyers ain’t got nothing on us – you get jokes, at least. I just hear anger.
and everything they are angry about is probably a direct result of some lawyer somewhere creating a rule. I din’t say we didn’t deserve the stereotypes 🙂
I had an extremely pleasant experience at the AZ MVD a couple months ago. Fast, efficient, helpful service, all while smiling. The clerk even helped me with something she didn’t have to when I asked a question. She handled it then and there instead of making me fill out another form or stand in another line. (They even have expeditors while one stands in a preliminary line.)
AND they have desks at which one sits across from the clerk. No standing forever.
Even DMV clerks like SP. How did this band of curmudgeons get so lucky?
I would like to apologize for being
an asshole, a bigger asshole than usual, a different flavor of asshole than I usually amirritable.It was not my intention to bring negative vibes into this little bit of zany heaven, nor to detract from Kinnath’s excellent post.
I do however, reserve the right to respond to HM’s “city mouse/country mouse is soooo tedious” shtick with “tell us about engineers.”
No way. Having or not having “c” is the difference between a good engineer and a shit engineer.
Ambiguity tolerance is a psychological construct that purports to measure an individual’s comfort with uncertainty, unpredictability, conflicting imperatives, and multiple demands. I agree with you that a good engineer understands cybernetics, systems thinking, etc.. But when I mentioned the traits, I wasn’t talking about the ideal, but the typical. And you know there are a lot of shitty engineers out there. Furthermore, you can understand something, but it doesn’t mean you are comfortable with it. Einstein certainly understood quantum mechanics, but deep down inside he still maintained that ‘God doesn’t play dice’ as an expression of his discomfort at the notion of a universe ruled by probability and uncertainty.
This reminds me of the joke about a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer being asked to describe pi. The mathematician says, “Pi is the relationship between a circle’s diameter and circumference. The physicist says, “Pi is 3.14 [blah blah blah blah out to however many places]”. The engineer says, “It’s about 3.”
This was told to me by a friend who’s an aerospace engineer for the Navy.
Yup. Sounds about right.
While I certainly knew engineers who fit the autistic mold, most of them adapted pretty well overseas.
The harder part for most engineers is admitting they’re wrong in a meeting… about anything. Oh, the full-blown drag-out fights I’ve seen.
The biggest difficulty I had was with foreign engineers who considered themselves to be of a higher caste and would not associate with lower-level workers or get out on the production floor as it was beneath them.
Yep. In Thailand, I was on the faculty of an sciences and engineering university that was a cooperative venture between the Thai and German governments. As such, there was a large contingent of German and Austrian engineering professors. Both Germans and Thais have a hierarchical society when it comes to those things – and many of them were perceived as insufferable to us Americans on the faculty. Yes, Yes, Herr Doktor Professor Ingenieur Schmidt, sorry for calling you “Paul”. It’s not like we’ve worked together for the past 4 years.
Germans…. ’nuff said.
Swedes are almost as bad. I haven’t met one yet that would change a design based on feedback from an end user.
I did some work with Bosch in another life. As a non-engineer, working with their engineers was an eye-opener in stereotype reinforcement. Complete assholes who had no interest in what our team had to offer.
Damn, Alfred was one stupid git.
Nice article, Kinnath.
Alfred was frustrated he couldn’t get anything like a Bud Light.
And thanks.
Bud light? Why bother at all then?
Great story Kinnath. I never traveled to Russia, but I came close in the mid 90’s.
I have followed the same process for my passport after having a ex-pat tell me I could go to jail for weeks for not carrying my papers. Now the passport is in the safe and I carry a photocopy miniature in my wallet and another in my work bag.
I used to work for a company that made glass making machinery. Glass is a very energy intensive industry. Coal is cheap. China has lots of coal. Therefore most of our equipment went to China.
The veterans told me about the photocopying of passport and visa.
Also that hotel safes are pretty easy to open (a thin aluminum strip from a pop can will open most barrel locks).
Also the ladies of the evening will knock on your hotel door late at night. Do not let them in no matter how horny you are. They won’t leave.
There was a legend of one guy giving his passport to his local chinese handler for “safekeeping”. They kept it safe alright. They held it (and by proxy, him) for ransom until they got a discount on equipment.
I don’t even remember what I did with my passport in China. I didn’t have any veterans to tell me what to do with it, that’s for sure. I *might* have locked in the hotel safe which means I was walking all over multiple cities with no papers. Which seems kind of dumb of me.
The thing that you
lose is the thing your supposed to have with you.
I’m guilty of that as well when I visit Korea or Japan.
The only time I was ever worried about not having my passport on me was when my brother in law was nabbed at a checkpoint for drinking and driving. Luckily he bribed his way out of it, so they never bothered to ask me for my papers.
We always locked ours up at the plant. Didn’t trust the hotels.
I have heard a zillion stories like this from lots of people but hands down the worst were from Saudi Arabia….oh and that one guy in Indonesia who was going to be sentenced to death for getting caught with a Penthouse. magazine. That dude actually stole a small boat and made it to Australia in the middle of the night.
So now we know who colluded with the Russians.
And by “colluded” you mean?
Always the serious one, eh Heroic?
You’d rather SF be the clown prince of Glibertarians? Do you know what his humor does to your frontal lobes?
H lp m I r ad a SF story y st rday and th r ar t ntacl d things coming out of my k yboard.
Do you know what his humor does to your frontal lobes?
The same thing your links do?
You win the internets!
SOVIET SMITH COLLUDE…
[wild applause]
“So, you’ll have to carry several hundred dollars in brand new, small bills (the Russians will refuse torn and tattered bills)”
I’ve heard this is fairly common in other countries, even with their own currency.
The currency exchange used to give me all 2000 yen notes during my trips to Japan. They are equivalent to 2$ bills in their usage. Everyone used to eyeball the bills and me every time I used them.
I hate Japan (and other countries) that have high value coins. My SOP is to come home from drinking and randomly throw whatever change I have in my pocket toward the dresser. Fine in the US where that might end up being a couple bucks tops. But after drinking in Japan, you can easily be tossing $20 of money away.
500 yen coins are great. I like to be able to carry the equivalent of $20 in my pocket and know where it is. The one yen coins are like pennies and clog up my bags, pant pockets, and dresser (garbage coins).
Need to have a coin purse for those. Best thing I do was pick up one from some random station shop. Internally divided so 50/100/500 goes in one side, 1/5/10 in the other.
I like that no one bats an eye when I give some random amounts that leaves me with a larger single coin or in bills.
Also came in handy in Europe for the coinage there.
My vote for most annoying currency is Mexico due to devaluation is the other extreme. Wads of bills for very little value.
I do not understand why anyone would want higher value coins instead of bills. Bills are lighter, stay sorted, and don’t make gobs of noise.
When Australia switched to $1 coins, the government said it was to keep costs down. Although the coins cost more to produce, they last substantially longer.
That’s because they get tossed in jars and forgotten until the jar gets turned in because coins are useless and just weigh down the pockets.
Not in Australia. See His Holiness’s comment above. When I visit, I keep the small change in one place where I’m staying and the $1 & $2 coins next to the keys so I take some with me when I go. After a week, it’s not uncommon for me to be able to buy lunch from coin.
I say we bring back salt sticks!
Coins don’t transmit herpes as easily.
I autoclave all my legal tender fortnightly.
Same thing! I always enjoyed paying with them.
It was fun watching them try not to react to using them.
Thanks kinnath!
You all should visit Bucharest. You can be close to Russia without the danger and better wine
But should you photocopy your passport?
no. just keep it in your underwear
Did that once when in China.. Got complaints at the airport when the lady that handled the passport told me it smelled familiar and she was wondering what sort of food it was in broken English. When I told her it likely was cockmeat sammich before I realized what I was doing I guess I ended up lucky that she thought I was talking about chicken….
I blame the lack of cheese consumption there.
In all seriousness, we badly want to visit Romania.
In all seriousness, admit that the reason you don’t want to go to Russia is because of all the competition there.
Huh, I’d invite myself along on that trip.
I always wanted a houseboy. Especially one I know won’t hit on SP.
Fine, fine. I’d just need enough time to fuck off and meet a cam-ho acquaintance.
Hire him (as a local translator) and upgrade yourself from houseboy to majordomo.
I wonder if he’d charge. We’ve been running in the same circles since the Yahoo! Messenger was a thing.
Do these circles involve some sort of jerking motion?
Do these circles involve some sort of jerking motion?
I wouldn’t describe them as such, no. Standard cam-ho stuff: individual interacting with group, occasionally individuals in that group are also individuals interacting with their own–sometimes overlapping–groups. Circle jerks are more a cohesive group event.
Party at Pie’s place once the kitchen and bathroom are done!
I’ll bring the whisky.
Road trip! What’s the number for the Glibs Travel Agency?
1-800-GO2JAIL
Although, the wine was much better.
I absolutely love these stories! Especially the ones that reinforce my decision to skip certain places in the world.
Thanks, kinnath!
I’d like to go to Moscow to spit on Lenin’s glass casket.
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I sure hope it’s woke.
It should be. Says #resistance right in the title.
Alfred sounds like a complete and utter idiot. The kind who might, just might, learn a lesson from a weekend in a Russian jail, but will not learn from anything short of that.
So, my question is, why did you go to such lengths to keep him out of jail, taking a not inconsiderable risk you, yourself, would wind up in jail right next to him?
Paperwork and hassle in addition to his regular workload.
The kind who might, just might, learn a lesson from a weekend in a Russian jail
I think one mostly learns to get in touch with one’s feminine side in a Russian jail, and not in a happy way.
Still grinding my teeth over that dirtbag Mueller.
If, as he claimed in his press conference, he could not indict Trump for obstruction because sitting President’s can’t be indicted, then:
(1) Why didn’t he say so in his report? Because he definitely did not. His only reference, as far as I have found, to the memo arguing that sitting Presidents can’t be indicted was to cite it for (i) President’s can be indicted after they leave office and (ii) impeachment is an inadequate remedy.
(2) Why did he investigate Trump for obstruction if he couldn’t indict him?
(3) Why didn’t he recommend indictment, and let the higher ups determine whether and/or when to indict him?
Attorney General Barr appointed John Durham.
i saw a clip of Gingrich (YMMV) saying that was absolute hooey. that Ken Starr said Clinton was guilty of several crimes.
I’ve had a hard time finding this info, but my impression so far is that Mueller can’t indict but he can recommend the POTUS be indicted by the AG. Failing that, Trump could be impeached and removed from office, at which time he could be indicted by any Tom, Dick, or Harry in the usual way, I think.
To me, it seems like he couldn’t find anything adequate to indict a sitting President or to push for impeachment, so the investigation at some point became a case of CYA. I think he’s trying to imply that as a patriot and servant of justice he did his level best to find evidence, and may or may not have been in some fashion stymied by the nefarious underhanded Russians and/or Trump’s own agents. This lets the Dems and NeverTrumpers hold on to the hope that something might come up that they can use, eventually. Sort of a Lost Cause type of thing.
A little more digging around shows that different both Ken Starr and Jaworksi (the Nixon special prosecutor) concluded that sitting Presidents can be indicted, although they chose not to. This is far from a settled question, apparently. And, notably, Mueller never quite takes a position on this one way or another. For good reason:
(1) If he concluded that a sitting President can’t be indicted, much of his investigation of Trump might be illegitimate. Of note is that the statute of limitations for obstruction of justice is five years, which would mean that, if Trump serves two full terms, he would be outside the statute and couldn’t be indicted even after leaving office.
(2) If he concluded that a sitting President can be indicted, then he would be forced to make a “clean” decision on whether to indict or not. At worst, he could make a recommendation and defer to the AG.
By being purposefully vague and elusive on this rather important issue, Mueller created the space he needed to run his investigation as a smear campaign. I don’t think that was accidental. Because he’s a dirtbag.
Mueller’s claim that he didn’t factor this issue into his investigation is very troubling, as this is a foundational issue for any criminal investigation – can the suspect be indicted? If not, there is no purpose for the investigation.
Clinton was indicted.
I read an article by someone (Andy McCarthy maybe?) over the weekend that said that, not only did Mueller not say that he could not indict Trump as a sitting president, but that he also explicitly said that he didn’t factor that question into his investigation at all.
Mueller wants to have his cake and eat it too. He keeps trying to hint and insinuate that Trump should be indicted without actually pursuing one. He holds that silly press conference because he doesn’t want to face questioning before Congress – because then he’d have to explain some things he absolutely does not want to explain – but he DOES want to keep playing footsie with the idea that Trump broke the law. He maintains the contradictory position that his report is his testimony, and that Barr didn’t hide anything or say anything factually incorrect about the report, but that Barr nevertheless has been “misleading”. Talk about a shitweasel.
Mueller wants someone else to risk their reputation and livelihood going after Trump to save him from the coming legal battle because of his involvement in the weaponized criminal behavior of the Obama administration three letter agencies.
Politics.
The entire investigation is theater. The original allegation was a complete fabrication and everything since then has been smoke and mirrors. They are trying to make an elephant appear out of thin air by wishing and saying it enough times.
Notice the short time between the end of Mueller’s ‘press conference’ and the responses from the Dems. The whole thing was scripted, their responses were written before he gave his statement. Notice the reporters just said ‘well, ok then, have a nice day’ and walked off after Mueller finished his statement with ‘no questions, no interviews, no testifying’. They weren’t even slightly interested. They howled at the heavens when there was talk of Barr not testifying.
Think Sandra Fluke on a massive scale. It is all a charade. They are hoping that something somewhere will magically stick. It is a new fantastical allegation per day now. I. can’t wait to see what they puke up tomorrow. At some point I suppose everyone’s head will be spinning from the furious storm of allegations no one will know truth from fiction.
I think they are desperately trying to run out the clock now that they failed to entrap Trump on obstruction charges, and hoping they can take back the WH or at least the Senate so they can block him from exposing how corrupt the Obama administration’s weaponized bureaucracy was and how it was regularly used to go after the left’s political enemies.
Consider this for next time: Hypothetically… Boss tells inexperienced two to talk to experienced one. Inexperienced ones goes to experienced one as though experienced one will set aside whatever is working on. Experienced one sets place and time. There is a fourth person there and then. Experienced one says, “This is [redacted] from HR.” Even though what you are going to tell them is not official company policy, approved as “training,” etc. Don’t use any language to pretend that it is, either.
Great story kinnath. I love a good working overseas story.
Never went to Russia myself, but I did have dinner with the president of one of the largest general contractors in Russia, a genuinely scary individual who radiated the calm ease of a mafia boss, and I’ve met Boris, who was totally blitzed of course.
The contractor, who his subordinates referred to as the Pope, was on his way to Vegas and then Costa Rica. I asked him if he was going to the Hotel Del Rey and he went from a fairly grim demeanor to that of an exuberant frat boy, “HOTEL DEL REY! HOTEL DEL REY!” He asked me if I wanted to tag along, to which I politely declined.
Shoulda gone man, you’d likely have some great stories…or you’d be buried in the desert somewhere. Either way, it would have been an interesting weekend.
Nope… I know when I’m out of my depth, and the combination of Russian mafia, 3rd world hookers, and undoubtedly a large amount of alcohol and cocaine is out of my depth.
“I love a good working overseas story”
Pull up a chair while I tell you my “working overseas story”: as an office drone in corporate America.
I already need a nap.
I don’t have any such stories, really, although the indoc briefing when you get stationed in Okinawa did a fair job of scaring the hell out of me regarding the Japanese legal system – fish heads and rice, 99% conviction rate, being held for weeks without being charged, all that stuff.
Regarding Russia…..it’s funny, I’ve known a few Russian immigrants who were good people. A bit crazy, because all Russians are apparently at least a little touched in the head, and drunkards, but friendly and fun. Maybe that’s why they left Russia, because it’s an illogical hellhole?
Your stories make me feel foolish for hitchhiking around Moscow.
It also reminds me of when my wife (then girlfriend) and I took the train from St. Petersburg to Tallinn. At the border we had to declare our foreign currency, and the form had lines for dollars, deutschmarks, pounds and yen. Because my wife worked in Austria, she had schillings, but she didn’t declare them, because they were not mentioned on the form. There were blank lines where she could have listed schillings, but she didn’t. The border guard comes through, sees my American passport and moves on without a word. He gets to my wife who had a Slovak passport, and he takes her form and demands to see her wallet. She pulls out her wallet and the guard grabs it. She grabs it back and says in broken Russian, “That’s mine. I’ll show you what’s in it, but you are not taking it.” As she leafs through the bills, he spots the schillings. “Where did you get that?” “I sure didn’t get them here”, she says. “Why didn’t you put it on the form?” She takes the form from his hand to fix it, and he grabs it back. “That’s mine.” He demanded that he get off the train. I tell her, you aren’t going anywhere. I’m American. They won’t mess with me. Maybe that was naive of me, but in my experience the American passport gives you a lot of liberties that aren’t afforded to people from other countries.
In the meantime, the lady guard was looking at the Slovak passport, and says “Slovakia? Where’s that”. It happened to be the 30th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, so I say in English, it’s that country you invaded 30 years ago. They took her passport off the train and called their superiors about what to do next. My wife was freaked out about the possibility of losing her passport, but I told her that we could always go to the Slovak embassy in Tallinn and get her a new one. That’s better than being in a Russian prison. After about ten minutes the guard came back, threw her passport at her, got off the train, and the train pulled out.
I’d go back to Russia. It’s a fascinating place, and we met a lot of nice people, just not at the border. I don’t think I can convince my wife to go again though.
“Maybe that was naive of me, but in my experience the American passport gives you a lot of liberties that aren’t afforded to people from other countries.”
Yeah, it does seem that way. US passport, you don’t get a second glance.
Unless you’re trying to enter the united states on a land border. Arriving at an airport it’s “Welcome home”, driving from Canada, it’s a lot of questions they really don’t have any right to ask and more hectoring.
TBF what would a true blood American be doing in Canada?
Smuggling Amethyst and Copper-nickel ore.
You know, I almost noted Canada as an exception. You get some real dicks on both sides of the border.
My experience was as per most people – getting into Canada was fairly normal with no real hassles, coming back you got the petty tyrant lording over her domain of this crossing post.
If they think you’re going there to make money, you will get hassled, big time.
The CBSA agent at the nexus interview accused my wife of smuggling firearms. I’ve gotten scolded by Japanese immigration officers (granted he didn’t do it the way the CBP officer did with the AUTHORITAY voice).
Did said CBSA agent have any actual proof of this, or was she/he just fishing for the Hell of it?
No proof, just using hyperbole. I think.
Wife was asked why she was applying for Nexus and she went blank deer in the headlights (even though we went over it several times before) and was kind of speechless so agent followed on with “are you some kind of gunrunner?” Which just added to the speechlessness. Still got approved and it’s good for a laugh now.
When my parents crossed over, the CBP guy saw their Texas passports and kept asking them if they had guns.
The two places where I routinely had hassles were entering Canada (they were always suspicious that I was going to somehow take jobs away from earnest hard-working Canadians) and entering England at Heathrow (because they were just dicks). Everyplace else ranged from routine (bored glance at my passport, typically going into Frankfurt, Amsterdam, or Paris) to nonexistent (Luxemburg, the booths were empty and green lights were always on).
I’d add Israel to that list, but otherwise agree.
Bored to almost non-existent: flying into Norway in the 1990s. Immigration checked my passport & stamped it, about 30 seconds. Non-existent: customs. There were people there but they were chit-chatting among themselves.
Honor system: driving from Norway to Sweden in the 1990s. Line of the road marking the border with a sign asking you to stop by the small hut if you had anything to declare.
Another time I was taking a train to Budapest, and the Gypsies in my compartment were trying to get me to claim that some of their luggage was mine, because they said the border guard wouldn’t even look at it if it belonged to an American. They were probably right, but I declined. What could go wrong? They probably were only smuggling electronics, since drug smuggling is done by the Kosovars, but it still struck me as a bad idea.
LOL, yeah, that’s got to be a hard no. Can’t blame them for trying, I guess.
That is what has kept me out of trouble most of my life. I may not know exactly what is going on cuz I am slow that way but my ‘something is wrong here’ radar is pretty good.
Later it will hit me…..oh, that’s what those bastards were up to.
A lot of you live exciting lives. Makes me regret some decisions in my boring life. I should have traveled more outside of the states before having kids. Antigua and Mexico just don’t create exciting stories.
Antigua and Mexico just don’t create exciting stories.
So?
Exciting stories are great in the review mirror – not so great at the time.
I love my boring life! And my trips to T&C, while not necessarily exciting, definitely make me a happier and healthier person.
Embrace the boredom, dude!
But
https://youtu.be/gKu3cg89Dxc
T&C = Turks and Caicos?
Yes. My favorite place.
We have a winner.
I will say it again: boredom is underrated. Adventure almost always means tears and an empty wallet.
The best stories come from the worst moments in your life. No one wants to hear about the day you spent walking around with your loved ones chatting happily and looking at the sunset. The time you ended up kneeling against a wall while Barney Fife’s idiot security guard cousin pointed his .38 at you… That’s a story.
These days I will take the wonderful moments and boring stories. I enjoy holding my granddaughter more than a story that begins with “Oh shit, remember that time…”
Apparently you haven’t been to Mexico lately.
I hear Chiapas is beautiful this time of year.
Already? Is it time for them to pull that shit again? It isn’t harvest time yet is it?
Harvesting easy targets for ransom money? I think that’s all year long.
It’s been a while since I was there. The kidnapping wasn’t as bad. Then it was land reform..movement no. 4562.
The push for land reform seems to always happen just before harvest time. After the crops are sold the new ‘owners’ just walk off and leave the land. I thought that was on a generational cycle and now that I think of it the last one was a generation ago.
We went on a day drinking trip to Matamoros in the early 2000s.
I’ve only ever been to Canada and England, and England doesn’t count because I was born there and left when I was 2. There are a few places I’d like to go abroad but most of my list is in the good ol’ US of A. And even then, there are plenty of places I can’t be bothered to go. I used to bore easily; now, gimme my own house with everything where I left it, a couple decent pubs/bars (depending) nearby, and I’m pretty happy.
My highschool English teacher told us a story about travelling to Mexico. When she got back she developed her film and noticed several pictures of her toothbrush (the one she used all week in Mexico) scrubbing the hairy ballsack of a Mexican dude.
Welp, add that one to my list of things to prepare for.
*adds decoy toothbrush to travel bag*
At least it was not stuck up someone’s ass….
No, it most likely was, it’s just that’s a tough shot to get and be able to tell what’s going on in the photo without a dedicated lighting guy.
I’ve heard way too many versions of that to believe any of them.
When I first visited Russia I remember the prices at the restaurants being in dollars. Before my second visit the government passed a law that prohibited listing prices in foreign currency, so when I returned the prices were in “units”. Amazingly 1 unit = 1 dollar.
I envision Russia as:
– Lots of hot women desperate to escape
– Depressed, alcoholic men
– Brutalist architecture
– Mobsters
– Corrupt, impenetrable bureaucracy
– Trees
Am I on the right track?
You forogt 1-2 stories of snow, bad roads and improvised vehicles/hardware
You forgot tracksuits, lots of tracksuits….
Your first item may be skewed by the women who think they can do better by putting themselves out there on the international market through various adult venues.
What you see on the internet.
What you get in Russia
Or item 4 using fake pictures to simulate item 1 for shakedown purposes.
My very limited experience in Russia–a VERY long layover in Moscow–was that there were a reasonable number of very good looking Russians sprinkled throughout a sea of whatever the Russian equivalent of chav/chavettes would be. My primary memory was that deep conditioner had not made it to Moscow yet, but then again this was over a decade ago.
Inexplicably the Britney Spears track Gimme More was playing constantly while I was there. Often times discordantly playing from multiple sources at different points in the song.
The women in Moscow when I was there were spectacular, and that was just the regular ones I saw walking down the street. That said, maybe the attractive ones move to Moscow in order to find a rich husband. Not sure what happens to them between the ages of 30 and 50 that makes them shrink into old babushkas though.
I’m sure you’ve seen this before. I’m curious to see what happens with the generations coming up in a more prosperous time. When I lived in Korea the little old women would’ve been coming up under Japanese occupation and then the Korean war. They were shorter and expected to labor harder than say their grand daughters were. I assume that not having had to do backbreaking labor from birth to death the current generation will age more gracefully.
I think it’s a Slavic thing. There’s a polish weather girl on tv here that’s going from pretty nice to babushkaland.
Am I on the right track?
Da, comrade.
And in Russia train boards you!
The Russians were experiencing freedom for the first time in the mid 90s. During the short summer, the streets were filled with beautiful Slavic women in see-through blouses. But they were far from the majority of women on the street.
I have a buddy who’s a longtime foreign service officer. His second station was in Moscow in the mid to late 90’s. He loved it. His take was as long as you could avoid being kidnapped, mugged, arrested, and/or shot, the women were incredible.
A long time ago, in another life, I was traveling with 4 other associates. We flew from Madrid to Casablanca on some important business. 3 of the boys had blue (tourist passports) and one other and I had red (official) passports . The tourist boys walked on in, the red passport guys got pulled aside, our luggage was separated from us. The custom guys took us aside and grilled us two, fortunately I spoke passable French and explained that we were there by invitation of the Moroccan government and that they would be terribly disappointed if we didn’t show up.
Finally we got cleared but then had to get our luggage from the tourist side. Usually the red passport was good to walk through customs with a nod and a smile.
Thanks for this story, Kinnath! Always interesting to hear about travel, especially to a time and place I have not experienced.
This strikes me as a poorly thought out booking
Only if you don’t consider her expertise in federal contract grifting.
What? She has loads of experience with security- securely deleting information, running a parallel email server to avoid unauthorized disclosures, even a bunch of intrusion and data exfililtration events.
The replies certainly start strong.
No shit.
Will that horrible creature never go away?
She’ll be going over cleaning techniques.
I figured she would be passing out memory sticks with state secrets on them.
Further proof we are living in a simulation and the creators are messing with us.
“Trump spread an avalanche of widely debunked lies in response to Mueller’s refusal to exonerate him. Here’s a fact check”
CNN alert on my phone just now. Shitweasels are gonna shitweasel.
I heard Trump’s response and didn’t hear anything untrue. Prosecutors don’t exonerate people, they prosecute guilty ones. What a shameful embarrassment our MSM has become. Soviet Pravda reporters are breathing a sigh of relief and showing their faces in public again.
FFS. JURIES don’t exonerate people. Nobody leaves the maw of the legal system with a declaration of innocence. You’re either Not Indicted or Not Guilty – you are never declared innocent.
BTW you’ll never see me use the term “Justice System”.
Oh, it gets worse. Out of morbid curiosity I took a gander at the article.
1. He lied about the cost of the investigation. He said 40M. It’s not clear where he is getting his numbers. Latest info from the Justice Dept. goes up to Sept. says Mueller specific around 12M and related around 13M but 7 mos yet to tally so unlikely it will reach 40M.
Ok, so just 38M or 39.99M. They are counting pennies and counting any rounding or estimating as a ‘lie’.
2. Cooperation with the probe. Trump said they had unlimited access. It’s wrong to say the access was ‘unlimited’ because Trump himself was not interviewed. He submitted written testimony and didn’t address obstruction. Plus some of the Trump team gave conflicting info and others lied and were charged.
I see. Trump was busy and the team members gave conflicting info and lied about things completely unrelated to Trump or Russia. They are playing semantic games here. He submitted written testimony and didn’t address the obstruction of an investigation into a non-crime that never occurred. Aside from the firing of Comey I haven’t heard any specific allegations of obstruction. Got it.
3. Trump said Mueller was conflicted. Nah uh!
I would think Mueller’s long time associations with Comey and others involved in the conspiracy to concoct the Russian phony-baloney plus his hiring of all democrat investigation team would be pretty strong evidence of conflict though no mention of that.
4. Trump claims Mueller would bring charges if there was evidence. He did not. He did not because policy of not indicting a president.
Then why have the investigation at all? If they knew from the start that there could be no charges, why investigate? No mention of this being a proxy investigation for impeachment. No mention of zero evidence found.
He spewed an avalanche of lies. I think what we are seeing here is the dying of both a political party and a political movement. Good riddance I say.
If we find out tomorrow that Trump’s tweets cure prostate cancer, the usual suspects will declare him evil and a racist misogynist. This guy will never be a good guy to these people until he is out of office and they have some other republican they want to tell you is worse than Hitler.
Fuck you, i’m still not getting on twitter, prostate be damned.
They prosecute (persecute) innocent ones, too.
I’d think that life would be much more enjoyable without CNN alerts on your phone.
I could also live without amber alerts from the area my phone number originated in.
You can turn those off in your phone settings.
Never been anywhere so exciting – a good thing. I have made a few business trips to Taiwan which is a wonderful place, IMHO the nicest people on the planet.
Working for a defense contractor we had to fill out a debrief form after every foreign visit. One of the questions was “Have you stayed in this hotel room before?” The implications of that are obvious. Hmmm. Everytime I got the same room. This was a huge 4-start hotel with hundreds of rooms. Same room four or five times in a row months apart? Not likely. Asked my [Redacted] collegues and they were often assigned the same rooms as well.
We never conducted any business from our hotel rooms.
But the hookers and blow were still ok, right?
Walked all over Taipei and so no evidence of such things. They were certainly there I’m sure. Publicly Taiwanese are relentlessly polite, discrete and law abiding. Maybe I should have have a local guide.
The hotel I stayed in in East Germany had closets accessible from the hall between each and every room.
For restocking purposes, you paranoid shitlord!
Huh. The original report I read said he apparently had a fire suit on. Apparently, it was a suit of fire.
https://wtop.com/dc/2019/05/man-sets-himself-on-fire-near-white-house-secret-service-says/
Yeah, the video looked like someone who wasn’t in any particular pain.
So, like everything else they do and say, theater.
Huh? No. He was wearing regular clothes which had been mistakenly identified as a fire suit. Burns on 85% of his body and he’s now quite dead. There was also no political manifesto as of the last time I checked, although one could probably infer one what with the self-immolation near the WH.
I’ve grown to like Jimmy Dore. Sure, I’m not a fan of most of his domestic and economic positions but he’s never shied away from calling out his own ilk for their bullshit:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pewTJMS6HTw
This was fun! Thank you!
So what circle am I going to for laughing uncontrollably when this appeared in my YouTube feed?
Any of you Glibs buy into this explanation by the Air Force for why it happened?
“Accidental Sky Penis”
dibs on the album name
Way to not link to the photos, reporter person.
https://mobile.twitter.com/stephenlosey/status/1134139680633556993?s=21
That’s a shitty dick pic, even by bathroom stall standards.