The Velocity Race Part Two
Consider this something of an epilogue to my History of Bolt Guns series.
The shooting sports is a place where one man can have a big influence. In the post-World War II sporting rifle market, few people can claim to have had as big an influence as Roy Weatherby. His iconic guns and cartridges weren’t to everyone’s tastes, but they made a big mark on the American sporting gun scene.
The Man
Born in Kansas in 1910, 1945 found the young Roy Weatherby in Huntingon Beach, California, fortunately before that state became a garbage- and feces-covered shithole. He and his wife Camilla had a house there, and Roy had a business – a 25×70 foot closet that bore the name “Weatherby’s Sporting Goods.”
Weatherby was an incorrigible tinkerer. It is not known if the late Charles Newton had any influence on the young Weatherby, but it would not be surprising if that was the case, because Weatherby’s first efforts were directed at the development of high-velocity centerfire rifle cartridges. In 1945, the velocity race that Newton had started was about to shift into high gear; Roy Weatherby was positioned to take a commanding lead in that race.
The Plan
In 1945, many gun writers like Elmer Keith were proponents of large-bore rifles firing heavy bullets at moderate velocities. The .30-06 was already something of a standard in the game fields of North America. A few people used the .300H&H, a real powerhouse for the time, and the .35 Whelen, using the .30-06 case necked up to .35 caliber, was a popular wildcat.
Around 1945, Roy Weatherby’s tinkering produced his first proprietary cartridge, the .220 Weatherby Rocket. This was something of an “improved” .220 Swift, based on that case but blown out some to increase powder capacity. Until this point the .220 Swift had been the velocity champion in bolt-action (and indeed, any) rifles, firing a 40-grain .22 slug at over 4,000 fps. The Weatherby round improved on this some, managing to drive a 50-grain slug at the speeds achieved in the Swift with a bullet 20% lighter; but the Rocket wasn’t to be the pattern Weatherby would follow.
The Cartridges
In that same year of 1945, Weatherby was looking to introduce his high-velocity ideas into the world of big game cartridges. He hit upon the big belted .300 and .375 H&H cases as the idea starting point, as they had considerably greater powder capacity than the .30-06 family of cases. To improve gas flow in the cartridge, he came up with a double-radius shoulder, something new that made forming the cases a little more complicated and therefore a little more expensive; but Weatherby rounds and rifles were never budget items.
In 1944 and 1945, Weatherby introduced three new cartridges:
The .257 Weatherby Magnum was based on the .375 H&H cartridge shortened to 2.5 inches, blown out with the double-radius shoulder and necked down. This round, rumored to have been Roy Weatherby’s personal favorite, can launch a 115-grain bullet at 3,400 fps. That, folks, is smoking, even by today’s standards.
The .270 Weatherby Magnum drove a 130-grain bullet at 3,300 fps, about 400 fps than the standard .270 Winchester load favored by Jack O’Connor. This round was, again, based on the .375H&H case shortened and necked down.
The .300 Weatherby Magnum is the most popular of Weatherby’s proprietary cartridges. The big .300, until recently the most powerful .30 caliber commercial rifle cartridge made, was based on a blown-out .300 H&H case and launched a 180-grain pill at over 3,200 fps.
Weatherby was looking for velocity, and his new cartridges gave shooters that, in spades. In marketing his cartridges and later, his rifles, Weatherby maintained that high-velocity cartridges gave more killing power than lower-velocity rounds firing bigger, heavier slugs. In this he ran afoul of some of the older-school gun scribes like Elmer Keith, but Weatherby stuck to his guns, and gradually his cartridges gained a following. Quite a few notable people endorsed Weatherby’s rifles, John Wayne among them; the resulting publicity sold more rifles and funded development of more high-velocity rounds.
In 1947 Weatherby came out with two more cartridges, again based on the H&H case:
The 7mm Weatherby Magnum was next; the big 7mm on the same case as the .300 Weatherby launched a 140-grain 7mm slug at 3,200 fps and would heft even the big 175 grain A-Frame slugs at over 3,000.
In that same year Weatherby broke into the heavy rifle market, blowing out the .375 H&H case with the double-radius shoulder and naming this the .375 Weatherby Magnum. In this round Weatherby actually missed the mark a bit; while the new heavy round would loft a 270-grain projectile at 2,800 fps, pretty respectable for a rifle intended for African plains game, its performance wasn’t enough greater than the time-tested .375 H&H to gain a lot of traction. The Weatherby did have the advantage of being able to fire .375 H&H rounds in the rifle, thus fire-forming the case to Weatherby’s specs for use thereafter, making it in essence a “.375H&H Improved,” but this wasn’t to prove popular; that may well have led Roy Weatherby to his next step.
In 1955 Weatherby scaled up, with two new cartridges based on a new, larger case of Weatherby’s design. As the basis of his new rounds, Weatherby basically took the .416 Rigby case, added a belt, and introduced two versions: The .378 Weatherby Magnum and the .460 Weatherby Magnum. The latter round was, at the time of its introduction, the most powerful commercial rifle cartridge in production. Now, at last, Weatherby caught the attention of the safari market. Within a few years, the big .460 was as popular among African safari guides and professional hunters as the old reliable .458 Winchester.
One other well-known dangerous game cartridge resulted from this, but it wasn’t a Weatherby product; in 1976 Colonel Arthur Alphin necked up the .460 case to produce his .500 A-Square.
1963 Saw the introduction of the .340 Weatherby Magnum, introduced as a response to Winchester’s .338 Magnum. This new round left the .338 Winchester Magnum in the dust, firing a 225-grain slug at over 3,000 fps. With my own .338, I’ve never broken 2,800 with a bullet of that weight, and I’m not shy about pushing my loads up to the line.
In 1964, Weatherby introduced the only .22 caliber belted magnum at that time, the .224 Weatherby Magnum. This foray into small bores finally displaced the .220 Swift as the velocity champion of the .22 calibers. And finally, in 1968, Weatherby’s last magnum, the .240 Weatherby Magnum, set new speed records for commercial 6mm cartridges.
Still, cartridges are of little use without a rifle, and Weatherby’s rifles were as distinctive as his cartridges.
The Guns
To be honest, I was never a fan of Weatherby’s style in bolt rifles. The appearance of his first rifles was very distinctive. Weatherby used beautiful wood and fine, high-polished bluing, but the stocks feathered a high Monte Carlo and a big cheekpiece, contrasting rosewood fore-end and pistol grip caps with white spacers, and white spacers on the butt pad. Many people liked them, based on how they sold, but even back in the Seventies when I was coming up, I always found them a little garish.
But you can’t argue with success. Shiny Weatherby rifles may have been, and on the expensive side to boot, but the combination of solid bolt actions and powerful, high-velocity cartridges was a seller.
Weatherby’s first rifles, the so-called “Southgate” rifles after Roy’s big new store in Southgate, California, were built on FN ’98 Mauser actions. Most of the Southgate rifles were built for Weatherby calibers, but old Roy would turn out a fine rifle in a standard caliber as a custom item if a customer asked for one. In 1956, Weatherby contracted with Schultz & Larsen to build rifles for the big new .378 and .460 Magnums on their beefy Model 54 bolt action, but that situation only lasted a couple of years, as Roy Weatherby’s crowning achievement was in the works.
In 1958, Roy Weatherby’s ideal rifle finally took form with the introduction of the Mark V. This was something unlike the Mauser 98 and Schultz & Larsen actions of previous Weatherby rifles; the Mark V had nine small locking lugs at the front of the big, hefty bolt. When carefully fitted, as was generally the case with Weatherby rifles, this made for a very strong action. The first Mark V actions were made by Pacific Founders, Inc and assembled at South Gate, but demand quickly outstripped Pacific’s capacity, so Weatherby moved production to Sauer, who was similarity unable to keep up, and then to Howa in Japan.
Mark V production muddled along unchanged from 1958 to 1963, the only notable difference being the relocation of the safety from the receiver to the bolt shroud when the manufacture moved from Pacific to Sauer. But in 1964, Weatherby determined the need for a scaled down version to go with the new .224 Weatherby Magnum, and so the six-lug “Varmintmaster” was born. The six-lug Varmintmaster was later offered in .22-250, the first production Weatherby in a non-Weatherby commercial caliber (the company would build a Mark V custom in almost any caliber) and later the full-size Mark V was offered in the immortal .30-06.
Some years later Weatherby would begin offering the Mark V in a variety of non-Weatherby calibers, but only in the six-lug versions. This has added some collector’s value to the few nine-lug .30-06s out there. If you have one, let me know; I’d happily give you a couple hundred bucks for it.
This new Weatherby had some significant things going for it. The nine locking lugs were placed on a reduced bolt head, meaning there was no necessity for locking lug races in the action; this made the action very smooth in operation. As the action was designed for high-pressure, high-velocity rounds, the bolt body had three holes to vent hot gases in the event of a case failure, and the oversize bolt shroud likewise shielded the shooter’s face from hot gas in such an event. The later bolt-mounted safety was robust, locking the firing pin in place – although I maintain to this day that the only safety that one should rely on is the one between your ears.
The Mark V was a fine rifle if a bit showy, but it was also expensive. So, in 1970, Weatherby made a deal with Howa to produce a rifle with the traditional Weatherby style using Howa’s Model 1500 action, chambered in standard, non-Weatherby calibers. This became the Weatherby Vanguard, and with this rifle Weatherby took aim (hah) at the market held firmly by the Remington 700 and Winchester Model 70 rifles.
Weatherby didn’t neglect the rimfire market, either. In 1964, Weatherby released the semi-auto Mark XXII, a slick, pretty rifle firing from a 10-round detachable magazine. My oldest friend Dave had one for some time and enjoyed it, but it was an expensive proposition for killing squirrels, so he eventually traded it off; but I remember it as a real tack-driver.
Current Mark V barreled actions are built by ATEK of Brainerd, Minnesota, while the Vanguard continues to be manufactured by Howa in Japan. The semi-auto Mk XXII, sadly, has gone out of production as of 1989, although currently Weatherby offers an Anschutz .22 bolt gun bearing the “Weatherby Mk XXII” label.
The Legacy
Roy Weatherby died in 1988 at age 77, having changed the American sporting rifle world forever. Five years earlier he had passed leadership of Weatherby, Inc. to his son Ed Weatherby, who still runs the company today. Last year the company announced it was finally leaving southern California for the more gun-friendly environs of Sheridan, Wyoming. A portion of the Weatherby estate went to fund the Weatherby Foundation International, a non-profit organization dedicated to educating the non-hunting public of the benefits of ethical, scientifically managed sport hunting.
Most of Weatherby’s current rifles – and shotguns – are a tad more subdued, most of the current production bearing synthetic stocks. These have many advantages on a hunting rifle, and indeed my hunting rifles tend to wear synthetic stocks, but I’m still pleased that Weatherby does continue to offer the Mark V and the Howa-actioned Vanguard, as well as the Orion shotguns, with fine walnut furniture as well. The same applies for Weatherby’s current scattergun offerings, which include the very fine Orion over/under and the 181, Element and SA-08 semi-autos.
And the Weatherby Magnum line of cartridges has been expanded by two, the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum and the .30-378 Weatherby Magnum.
The pairing of a Weatherby rifle and an appropriate Weatherby cartridge will still serve as a fine rifle for the game fields anywhere on the planet. John Browning or Sam Colt he wasn’t, but he broke some new ground in sporting rifles and founded a company that persists today. That’s not a bad legacy; not bad at all. And not too shabby for a guy who started building rifles in his garage.
“California, fortunately before that state became a”
A State that could be improved if they gave up taxation. Or is the problem that it is full of people who keep voting for more taxes and higher rates on new and old taxes?
There is an entire article about firearms and your first comment is about a throw away line?
I get your bone to pick here is about this, but seriously.
Also, nice article Animal. The fount of knowledge of firearms continues to flow.
And yet the first comment to address the firearms substance of the article is not until R C Dean on June 17, 2019 at 11:26 am (first chronologically).
Huh?
The mute button on Eyepiece works flawlessly. My first time actually using it (testing aside, of course).
Ah, yes. Kind of forgot about that. Thanks, Trashy!
I think you and I disagree on “substance.”
Another famous bald guy with glasses with a similar name:
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This article pairs nicely with my left over beef brisket. Keep going with the firearms articles Animal. They are enjoyable reads.
That over under is a beauty.
My first thoughts as well!
I’m a car guy, but I love stories of entrepreneurs in any pro-liberty products. The small scale car companies are all but dead now. – could Weatherby start up in today’s regulatory environment?
Thanks, Animal!
Are the tuners dead now too, the Callaways and Lingerfelters and Saleens and Hennesseys?
Nope. There are still tuners and a handful of boutique manufacturers, but the days of hundreds of independent and creative car makers are over.
I think a big part of the problem is the electronics coupled with emissions standards. Think about it – many new cars even have active suspension.
I read an article on GM’s new C8 Corvette where GM made a point to say how heavily they have locked down the ECM to prevent any unauthorized access.
This
Absolutely, but that’s my point. A lot of companies from the days of innovation couldn’t even get going today.
And the emissions and other shit sure didn’t come from the market.
Yup. And, indirectly, it’s the reason millennials are anti-car more than any previous generation. Take away the ability to tinker and you really limit the ability to grow new enthusiasts. And that’s true of any industry, not just cars.
And the stuff you can tinker on really isn’t tinkering. It’s all bolt ons.
Agreed.
I’ve also read several articles from multiple sources surprisingly including the WSJ how farmers have also become quite annoyed with modern farming equipment. Both servicing and modification.
Everything is computer controlled and locked down.
John Deere is really bad about that. Mahindra is making market penetration based their equpment being maintainable by the owners.
Yeah, my friend used almost exclusively green with the occasional blue tractor, but I haven’t asked him recently what he is using.
He had a mix of old smaller stuff that was full paid for that he has had for years and bigger equipment was usually leased.
I may never buy a new vehicle again. Too much electronic horseshit involved.
I hear ya. I’m thinking we could have another 2 – 300,000 miles, maybe more, on the FJs before they need to be rebuilt. I have a hard time believing I won’t need another vehicle for 30 – 40 years, though. Maybe my next new car will be a flying car, though.
Nah,you’ll be riding Green Trains by then.
If the Green New Deal crowd gets their way, we’ll all be pulling Green Trains by then.
We’ll be riding horses again
To camps.
I think he’d have a decent chance.
There’s enough in the Gucci Glock and ar variety stuff that seem to hold up. It’s not the same, but people clearly like unique things.
He probably wouldn’t have the same impact on the larger market though.
The big .300, until recently the most powerful .30 caliber commercial rifle cartridge made, was based on a blown-out .300 H&H case and launched a 180-grain pill at over 3,200 fps.
A quick check shows the 300 Win Mag has muzzle velocities of @2,900 for 180 grain bullets. The Weatherby is around 10% faster.
Were the Weatherby rifles sold mainly on the basis if better terminal ballistics due to speed, or was better long range accuracy (less bullet drop/windage) much of a factor?
Yes.
Honestly, I think both of those really did figure into Weatherby’s success, but as much as anything else, Weatherby rifles were a status symbol, and had a lot of “whiz-bang” appeal. The current gun market isn’t exactly immune to that last part.
Its been awhile, but I think I went with the .300 Win Mag over a Weatherby due to price. I was looking for something that would take care of an elk no problem and had good reach (hunting whitetails in North Texas, you get some long shots). In retrospect, I didn’t really need the long reach, as I haven’t (and won’t) take a long shot at an animal. But I do like that rifle – weighs a ton, but it eats everything and the recoil is quite managable.
Oh, and I’ve never taken it elk hunting, and likely never will.
I was fortunate, indeed,to get a .270 WM left hand and a Mark XX22 about 50 years ago. My ex father-in-law slammed the trunk lid down with several of my guns cased until he broke the pistol grip on the .270. It now sports a custom Bishop stock, similar but distinctive from the original, Kuharsky scope mounts and a 2 -1/2 X 8 . I started hunting with it, got a wear now but that’s what its for. I reload down, whitetails don’t need super power. Just broke out the .22 and shot a skunk a few days ago with it.
At least no one can borrow any 270 ammo from me.
Thanks, Animal, great article.
ex father-in-law
i assume “ex” b/c you beat him to death with the trunk lid.
That was a fun read Animal, thanks again!
Nice article!
I have to say, though, that I’m not a fan of Magnums. Even my hunting buddy’s .300 WIN Mag hurt to shoot after just a few rounds.
There’s not a critter in the state that I can’t take down with my .30-’06.
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AND BY LAUGHS…
Hobbit – what does your buddy have for a .300?
It was a low-end Winchester, if I recall. Buddy died about 5 years ago and the gun went to his brother.
The recoil on mine is very managable. Its heavy, which helps a lot. I believe that .300 rounds are typically loaded with slower-burning powder, which should reduce perceived recoil from a “shock” to more of a “shove”.
Honestly, unless you are really looking at taking long shots, I don’t think the .300 has much advantage at all for North American game over a 30-06, which should be plenty for moose and elk. I’d probably want to gun up if I was hunting Kodiaks or Polar Bears, but I have no doubt a 30-06 could do just fine on those as well. You’d be carrying a magnum revolver anyway, right?
I’m a small-framed person so it was uncomfortable for me.
To me the key is shot placement and to become a very good shot one needs to shoot often. I can shoot my ’06 or my 7×57 or my Swede all day.
Kinda gave up on hunting when Billy died. Actually haven’t even done that much shooting since then, either.
Same here, regarding the .30-06. But I really like my .338 Win Mag. It’s got authority, as they say, mind you I’m tall, heavy-set (52″ chest, 18″ neck) have long arms and am not exactly recoil-averse.
Thanks for another great article, Animal. You are rekindling my youthful interest in shooting sports, something I haven’t had the time to purse until recently.
“Pursue…”
We won’t judge.
It’s a European Carryall!
https://youtu.be/IC-2CDhquDs
Or, you haven’t had the purse to pursue.
I’m married, so I have to persuade the purseholder to peruse the purse prior to pursuing purchases.
Very prudent.
Thanks Animal. I’m not bitterly clinging to any firearms, but I always find your articles interesting and informative.
*insert Donald Sutherland Soylent Green gif*
*Edit Fairy Away!*
Body Snatchers
I stand corrected.
YESSS! *fist pump*
Not related to sporting rifles, so off topic.
I did some more looking at semi-auto shotguns that my wife should be able to handle. Here are the two top candidates so far:
– Mossberg International SA-20 Railed – Pistol Grip with a 20 inch barrel
– Remington 11-87 Sportsman Compact 20 with a 21 inch barrel.
I don’t think the local range has either of these available for rent. So going to have to make a blind choice I think.
If you don’t like whichever one you buy, my understanding is that Eric Swalwell will buy it back.
Always look on the bright side of life.
Remington 11-87.
thanks
Another fine article Animal. I echo your sentiment regarding the looks of the Weatherby rifles. I grew up reading about how awesome they were, but just didn’t feel it. I also think they are generally too much of a good thing. I guess if you are shooting prairie dogs at 500 yards and really need a flat trajectory they may be helpful, but my regular old Remington .270 shoots pretty flat with 130 grain bullets, even more so with the 90 and 110 grain Speer bullets I loaded up many years ago just for fun. Those rounds were also tack drivers.
As Brooks said, between my .270 and 30-06 I can take down anything short of a large bear on this continent and won’t beat hell out of my shoulder and ears doing it.
Crap! Sorry Hobbit I meant your comment. I blame failing eyesight, or something.
Years ago I had a buddy that was a hunting guide in bear country. He carried a Winchester 94 trapper in 30-30. He had taken several large grizzlies with it…one shot.
Your 270/30-06 are plenty of firepower.
You are correct that they can, I’d just prefer something with a bit more slug if I were in serious bear country. Even if I wouldn’t shoot without a good shot presentation, it’s the emergency situation I’d be concerned about.
Do we really need 23 brands of ammunition, 18 choices of caliber when kids are going hungry?
Doom,
I have a Medeco key code question. Are you able to tell me if a code would lookup in the book?
I had a pair of spare keys made through the official channels, and they don’t work. I’m wondering if the OEM shop didn’t miss a digit when sending the code on.
I don’t have a medeco book at this job unfortunately.
If it’s an older key I could probably get the cutting info though.
There are medeco code books around, it all depends on the blank or generation of that key.
Did the shop have your key or just try off the code?
The blank is restricted.. so my maintenance shop had to send out to the aircraft OEM.. for them to request their Medeco dealer to cut the key..
So the key shop only had what the OEM told them.. I thought they looked up the code from the serial# of the vehicle.. but now I think that they sent the code from my key with XBN##### where the real code was XBN###### (the last digit was under a rubber ring). I just wanted to see if the tables would have a match with only 5 numbers.. and the copies were based on that.
We just don’t want them to go through another cycle where I get the wrong keys again if we can’t figure out what went wrong the first time.
Yeah, as far as I know the code is to a page number, line number.
So there’s a 5 digit code and a 6.
If they were taught to hunt with those calibers, they wouldn’t be hungry.
Are you suggesting arming the children?!
Monster.
Relevant.
Hmm. Try again.
That’s a good one
SEXBOT APOCALYPSE!
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“In a new and unsatisfying reality, a talking, thinking, disease-free, guilt free and inexpensive relationship might be the perfect answer.”
Sounds like the perfect answer to me.
” If millions of us choose what seems like an easier, more attractive and much more satisfying alliance with a sexbot, where will that leave humans? Will birth rates fall catastrophically? Will fewer and fewer people even understand the complexity of human relationships and how to navigate them?”
Say it with me now: WHO FUCKING CARES?
“Make no mistake, this matters to us all. It is our obligation — to ourselves, to each other, to the people of the future — to get informed, so we can act responsibly in the years to come.”
Fuck off slaver.
Sounds like the perfect answer to me.
As long as the talking part is optional, I would agree.
“complexity of human relationships”
This irks me every time I hear it.
Human relationships are not complicated; they follow some pretty simple rules of economics and biology. People manufacture complications due to their neuroses or absurd conception of Judeo-Christian sexual morality.
People are bags of genetics designed to spread them as efficiently as possible. Due to the asymmetric nature of reproduction between the sexes, males and females have differing and competing strategies, but, again, compared to QCD, it’s not complex.
Humans are bacteria with oversized cortices convincing ourselves that we’re a lot smarter than we really are.
I think old Roy was ahead of his time. The fastest growing calibers out there right now are the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmores. Long fast bullets (not quite as fast as his) in considerably shorter cases. I’m seriously tempted by the Creedmore because prices are coming down.
That Weatherby .257 looks super cool but the ammo is way too spendy to shoot for fun.
I have enough ballistic diversity. I’m not looking to add more rifle calibers at the moment.
It’s great to have all these options though.
Good idea for a new “Celebrate Diversity” t-shirt: instead of guns, show cartridges.
I don’t have a centerfire bolt rifle – a situation I’ll rectify when my income resumes. A year ago I would have gone .308. Now 6.5 CM seems the better choice for several reasons.
Nice write up Animal. The 300 Weatherby was the first high powered rifle I ever shot. Before that I had only shot a 12 gauge and a .22 rifle. We were going pig hunting and I’m a lefty and my friend loaned me his dad’s lefty 300. Wow, I don’t think I will ever forget the first few shots that I took with that thing at the range. The only thing I have ever shot since that with that much kick is my 45-70 Marlin. I still have twenty 300 Weatherby rounds in my safe.
You might be of use slightly upthread.
Medeco Q.
This series is so, so cool, Animal. I can’t say enough good things. I’m learning a lot of really neat stuff about gun history and I really enjoy your writing style.
Also, I’m with you on the aesthetics of the Weatherby rifles. They’re pretty and all, they just seem a little, I don’t know…much. The Mark V looks like a gun you’d get in the video game Borderlands. I don’t mean that as hyperbole, either, I think there’s a sniper rifle modeled after that particular gun in the game.