As good glibertarians, I know none of you actually touch pocket change unless it is a gold coin minted in Galt’s Gulch. However, I also know all good glibs have an orphan with them at all times to carry your coinage in a monogrammed satchel. This short piece may give you tips to convey in your “Daily Instructions” to your change orphan on what coins to save and which to circulate.
Coinage is as old as the concept of money itself. In fact, it is thousands of years older than script, and until relatively recently, the most valued script was tied to specie. “In Specie is a Latin term describing the provision of an asset in its physical form rather than in the cash value of the asset.” (Merriam-Webster) The most common forms of coinage since ancient times have been gold and silver with copper reserved for small denominations. The same was true for the United States from 1793 until 1933 when FDR withdrew gold coinage and the death blow was in 1965 when LBJ effectively killed silver coinage. Today all general circulation US coinage, except for the nickel is clad. Some “real” money is still in circulation and I have given my change orphan “Warty strict” instructions to locate it and present it to me so I can remove these coins from circulation for the bullion value.
The US does still mint some silver and gold coins for collectors, but that coinage is not designed for general use so I will not discuss them. These gold and silver coins have nominal denominations making them legal for use- but if they enter circulation it is because of a FU in a bitter divorce or family members not knowing what the recently dead relative had saved.
I also won’t be covering obsolete coinage, it is still legal tender*, but your orphan won’t be getting any 2 or 3 cent pieces handed to them at your local store. So bellow for your orphan to “Bring me my change satchel most ricky-tic and then get prostrate in front of me NOW!” Let’s examine what we may find.
The Cent
The cent has traditionally been made of copper and Abe Lincoln has been going strong on the obverse (front) of the cent since 1909. Your change handling orphan will see plenty of these. The three versions are the Wheatback (1909-1958), Memorial (1959-2008), and the Union Shield (2010-date). There was a special 4 different design issue in 2009 for Abe’s 200th birthday. Most cents can be just put back into circulation without a second thought. Cents were copper from 1793 on, but since 1983 they are a minted with a very thin copper plate over a zinc (spit) core.
However, I advise you inform your coinage orphan to save all copper cents. The test is easy. All cents minted in 1981 and before are copper (with exception of 1943). Also test all 1982 cents by dropping them on something hard and listening to the sound made. A dull sound means it is zinc, a good clear ring means copper. If you can’t tell the difference- drop a cent from a copper year with any post 1982 cent-after a couple of drops, the difference will be clear. A copper cent has a $0.018 melt value so copper cents have almost doubled intrinsic value. (All melt values are from Jun 26, 2019)
Wheatback cents have an even higher numismatic (coin collector) value than their intrinsic (bullion) value. Older Memorial cents in a shiny copper state and with little wear also have a higher numismatic value. Among the zinc (spit) cents, only the 2009 series have any numismatic value.
Your orphan will probably not find a 1943 cent in circulation since they were steel with a shiny zinc covering. If one is found it will be nearly black. The War demanded required lots of copper and this was an experiment on saving copper which failed. The coin was hated by the public because of the similarity to a dime when new and turning dark quickly. This bad idea was ditched before the end of the year. In 1944 and 1945 cents were partially made with melted down shell casings from training ranges in the US in order to free up “fresh” copper. It doesn’t make them more valuable, but are interesting to see. If your orphan finds a 1943 copper or 1944 steel cent you are doing very well since these rarities are worth north of $1,000,00 for a 43 and over $100,000 for a 44. I will be called a softie for suggesting it, but you might consider giving your change orphan an entire White Castle burger for finding such a rarity for you.
The melt value of the current cent is 0.0067¢, but today the cent costs almost two cents to make, so make of that what you will.
The Nickel
TJ, the man and not the store, has been rocking the front of the nickel since 1938. The nickel has remained a 75% Copper and 25% alloy since it was first minted in 1866. The exception is during WWII. Then the nickel was minted with 35% silver and 9% manganese. More about this later.
The modern nickel hasn’t changed much with two exceptions. During the Lewis & Clark bicentennial years (2004-2005) each year featured two different reverses for the Corps of Discovery. They have a slight numismatic value so you might want your orphans to hold them out for you, but then again you may not. In 2006 the traditional Monticello reverse returned but the obverse changed to Jefferson facing the observer. This didn’t change the value but changed the look.
Have your orphan hang onto all 1942-1945 war nickels they encounter since their bullion value is $0.86. They are easy to tell since they have large mint marks (P, D or S) above Monticello’s dome on the reverse. (See picture above) War nickels also have what I would call a streaky or greasy look from their alloy. Your orphans may want to follow metal prices since the nickel may get the content changed because the bullion value hovers around the 5¢ face value. The mint has experimented with several designs but can’t get one that meets lifespan tests while being recognized by vending machines.
When I was a kid in the 60’s you would find an occasional “Buffalo” nickel (1913-1938) in the change. If your orphan finds one you might want to pretend to smack them for having a counterfeit, but then smile at them since the coin is real. But odds are the date is worn off and it is only worth face value. (You would think that with 120 years of minting experience the mint would have known not to make the date the highest point on a coin, but with government employees watchya’ going to do?)
The “Clads” or Former Silver Coinage
From 1793 until 1965 dimes and larger denominations were minted with a 90% silver content. The debasement of coinage in 1965 stemmed from the value of the silver exceeding the face value of the coins starting in 1963. By 1964 there were severe shortages of coinage since people were saving the coins for their bullion value and not using them. When the same issue happened in the 1800’s Congress just made the coinage slightly lighter. The new lighter coins were the same design but with arrows by the dates. The “with arrow” coins returned to a face value slightly greater than the bullion value so they remained in circulation-problem solved. In 1965 Congress went a new direction and just debased the hell out of coinage. Henceforth dimes and quarters would be cupronickel and the half dollar was debased from 90% silver to 40% silver. In 1971 the half dollar was further debased to cupronickel.
The most important thing about the older bullion coins is that they still have an intrinsic value that far exceeds their face value. Currently it runs about 11 times face value. Your change orphan can tell these coins at a glance because of two key qualities: 1) they have an obvious different color of real silver vice the current cupronickel tone which should attract their eye. (If there were any libertarian women they could instantly tell you the difference in look between silver jewelry and “silver” jewelry and be happy to explain it while beating you for trying to give them junk.); 2) silver coins have a single color side and cupronickel coinage looks like a copper sandwich. If your orphan’s eyesight is less than optimal (why is he your change orphan then?) just note the date. Save any dime or quarter minted 1964 or before. Again, silver is worth 11x face value and clad is worth 5-8% face value.
If your vending machine orphan notes a young lass running a coin through a vending machine over and it is rejected each time have them be a gentleorphan. They should approach the lass and ask if they could be of assistance. Have the orphan examine the coin and offer to trade the lass a shiny new coin to replace the icky old silver coin that stands between them and their stale vending machine Poptart. One of the last silver quarters I found in the wild was obtained with precisely this bit of generosity. (Yes, I told her, and yet her hunger was more important than silver to her.) That is correct, vending machines may take a credit card but do not recognize legal silver coins.
The Dime
While it is tempting to demand your change orphan never let you see the obverse of the FDR dime, scratch that. I advise you to tell your change orphan to never let you see this coin. The likeness of FDR has been polluting change drawers since 1946 without a significant change- boring. Have them save all dated 1964 and before since they have a bullion value of $1.11, the rest should be kept away from your gaze and returned to circulation.
“Two Bits” or the Quarter
George Washington has had his slave owning, cis-heteronormative face on the quarter since 1932 but the reverse of this denomination has been a palette of history in 1975-1976 and since 1999. This is the most interesting coin currently minted by the US. It is very common and you will need to give your change orphan clear instructions on which quarters to save and which to place back into circulation. The first instruction for your change orphan I recommend is to save all minted in 1964 and before since their bullion value is $2.77. Now the instructions will become more personal. The Washington quarter is on track to have over 100 different reverses since 1999. On one extreme is “Fey! All coins minted since 1965 shall be immediately returned to circulation less the cruel stench of cupro-nickel befoul me.” The other extreme is, “Save and classify each quarter then lay them before me on baby seal skins so I may admire them as I snack upon a bald eagle egg omelet and quaffing champagne.” I recommend having your orphan identify any quarters you may like and circulate the rest.
The first change was for the Bicentennial celebration. Special quarters, halves and dollars were struck with 1776-1976 on the obverse and a bicentennial themed reverse- the quarter had a drummer boy. Then in 1997, over the objections of the Treasury Department, the Congress mandated the 50 State Quarters program. Five states were featured each year, in the order of entering the Union. The program was later expanded to include the territories and DC. Congress liked the program so much it basically repeated the program with the “America the Beautiful” featuring natural highlights (national parks etc.) starting in 2010 and running through 2021. There are too many images to show, but here are links to the various reverse sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_State_Quarters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_and_United_States_Territories_Quarters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_the_Beautiful_Quarters
The interesting thing about the state program is that each state developed and nominated the design for “their” quarter. The mint then tweaked the design to meet the demands of mass production. Some states clearly put effort into it, others not so much. (I’m looking at you Michigan, Texas, and Wyoming.) The current quarters run to lots of damn birds looking pretty much the same, but the Louisiana quarter has a very good image of a wild turkey in flight. My only advice to my fellow glibertarians is that if a particular reverse is striking to you, go ahead and have your change orphan save your choices and keep the rest in circulation. In addition, you may want to have your orphan quickly check to make sure no silver proofs are in your change satchel. Proofs are struck in silver on specially prepared blanks and double struck to bring out all the details. No proofs are released into general circulation, but my orphan found a proof Iowa quarter which I kept. Evidence once again of a bitter divorce or a family not realizing what grandpa left to them in his will.
Half Dollars
This coin is rarely encountered in the wild. Because of that, it is one of the easiest denominations to find bullion coins when your change orphan gets one. I really dislike the Kennedy Half Dollar because it is an unapologetic suck up to the cult of the imperial presidency. The reverse is nothing more than the presidential seal. The Bicentennial version at least has Independence Hall on the reverse. The 1964 mintage were HUGE because of the recent assassination and were saved by the millions. I recommend saving them because they are 90% silver and contain $5.54 in silver. From 1965-1970 the coins were debased to 40% silver but are worth a respectable $2.26 in bullion. From 1971-2001 the coin was struck in cupro-nickel. Since then it is no longer minted for general circulation. If your orphan finds a recent year half is from a cut apart uncirculated set (matte finish) or a silver proof.
The half dollar was a popular coin and in wide circulation until the 1963 coin crises. The large quantity of silver made this denomination the first to leave general circulation. Then millions of the new Kennedy dollars went straight into collections for several years. With the shortages of half dollars in daily use Americans grew out of the habit of using them. The lack of coins in circulation meant vending machines stopped accepting them and the coin withered away. But this long term lack of use is a good situation for a glibertarian. When your minions do actual in the bank banking have them ask for a roll of half dollars. Chances are decent your help will identify some silver coinage. My monetary orphans have even found earlier (Ben Franklin and Walking Liberty) halves in a roll handed over by unsuspecting bank tellers as recently as three months ago. If there is nothing but Kennedy Halves in the roll, enjoy watching clerks look at your orphan with WTF? faces when they use these coins to purchase goods and services.
Dollars or “cartwheels”
The true “silver dollar” of lore was last minted for general circulation in 1935 (melt value $11.84) and will not be found in your change from the “Mexican Pot and Ass Sex Shop”. Your orphan might approach you with an Eisenhower Dollar (1971-1978). This coin features the patch from the Apollo 11 mission on the reverse (except for the Bicentennial version). Make a quick check for of the side to see if it is a 40% silver collector version and smile benevolently since your orphan found a $4.84 bullion coin; if it is a copper sandwich, curse them mightily for wasting your time.
If your change orphan has been hanging around Post Offices, NY, SF or DC subways and other suspicious locations, get them deloused and their rags promptly replaced before checking the change satchel. Inside you may find the modern small dollar coins. There is actually a law mandating that PO’s and transportation systems accepting Federal dollars must have vending machines able to accept and disburse dollar coins. Among the usual coins there might be some coins that look like a slightly oversized quarter with an angry woman on the front and dated from 1979-1981 and 1999. These are the Susan B. Anthony dollars. The “Susie” is one of the stupidest outpourings from the government. The vending machine and casino industries desperately wanted a dollar coin that was better sized for their customers and the government responded by making 1,500,000,000 or so coins that were almost exactly the same size and color of the quarter. Casinos, merchants and the public were not amused and the coin was rarely seen. Even today store clerks curse me when my change orphan offers Susies in exchange for a good or service.
Congress told the Treasury Department to try again with a “gold colored” coin and in 2000 the Sacajawea Dollar was released. Unfortunately, it is a clad coin of little intrinsic value. Fortunately, the mint designed well and this coin is quite striking. It is easy to use and tell from smaller coinage, with smart designs on both sides of somebody besides a president. In the 18 years since the Susie was thrust upon the American people the vending machine and casino industries developed other solutions to the shortage of dollar coins so the new dollar coin never became popular. Since this was an attractive coin, Congress mucked around again and decided to change the reverse each year starting in 2009. Now this dollar is the most PC coin the nation produces. Each year a new Native American theme is on the reverse. While none of the designs will make your orphan gag from ugliness (yet), they aren’t as striking as the original eagle in flight. (2019 features “Native Americans and the space program”) But the law since 2007 requires that 1/5th of dollars produced each year must be in coins- so these dollars are stacking up in vaults by the many tens of millions annually since demand does not meet supply.
The final coins that might emerge from the satchel are the Presidential Dollar coins. Why were these coins made? Because if a striking coin like the Sacajawea dollar isn’t being widely used it must be time to double down.** In 2007 the new coins were released with four presidents a year until they caught up with the last dead president. The reverse features the Statue of Liberty. The new coins caught fire like a water balloon and by 2011 there were 1, 400,000,000+ uncirculated coins stockpiled. So Washington (1) to Garfield (20) were released for circulation. From Chester Arthur on the mint struck only smaller numbers (still around 10,000,000 each) for collectors. These later coins are legal tender and occasionally found in general circulation as well. Reagan was the last president on a coin. To satisfy my Glib heart, Jimmy Carter was never on a coin because of the requirement that the ex-president be actually dead. My orphan has found an occasional proof version of a presidential dollar and brought it to my attention. They are worth about $2 each. So go ahead and circulate them freely since your tax dollars purchased hundreds of million extra.
The GAO has published a report that if the Bureau of Engraving stopped making $1 bills and the country switched to dollar coins it estimates a savings of at least $5.5B over thirty years. With the billions of coins sitting in vaults and already produced I think that estimate is probably low. The vending industry is now fighting retiring the dollar bill because it invested heavily in adding bill readers to vending machines.
That’s About It
One other place that I have found silver coins for face value or less have been estate sales. Families often don’t know what grandpa was saving so coins appear in a variety of ways. I once picked up eleven Standing Liberty quarters for five cents each because they were in a bowl as “movie prop money.” The selling agent clearly did not know what she had in the estate. Another time my ex came home from an estate sale with a few minor purchases. A few days later I needed some change and found two silver quarters that she just got as change at the sale. Of course it was too late for me to go back and get more real quarters in change.
The story of America’s money changing from representing Liberty as an ideal to a collection of small scale tokens of presidential worship is an interesting one and perhaps the subject of another article in the future. Now please excuse me while I go swim in my collection of gold coins.
Oh yeah. Here are a couple of websites to help you determine the melt value of your American coinage.
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/coin-melt-values.aspx
or
http://www.coinflation.com/coins/basemetal_coin_calculator.html
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*The Trade Dollar (1873-1885) was a dollar minted for overseas use, primarily in China. It was demonetized by Congress in 1876 to prevent their use in the US. Congress re-monetized the Trade Dollar in 1965 when it was too late to matter.
** Not really. The dollar and quarters programs rely upon seniorage to “make” money for the Treasury. Quarters cost around 4 cents to make, but the Treasury sells them to the bank for 25 cents. That means the Treasury has a reserve of 21 cents per coin which in theory reduces the amount of funding required from Congress. Collectors also create seniorage by removing coins from circulation and then they are not turned in as damaged for replacement. During the quarters program alone collectors have created an estimated $6B in seniorage.
I ? coins. I’m too lazy and tipsy right now to dig them out and post pics. Great article. ?
*crickets*
I have some Soviet 1-kopeck coins someplace.
I got a buffalo nickel last week.
Some kid must have raided grandpa’s stash.
Where is everyone?
Burying their coins with their guns? (See John Wick)
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Cookin’.
If Repairman Jack has taught us anything, it is that you hide your solid gold coins in the wall behind plumbing fixtures so that even the most sophisticated thieves will think it is only the supply lines setting of their metal detector.
that was pretty cool, but isn’t it illegal to melt coinage?
/not that I would ever do such a thing…….
There are plenty of videos to be found on the intertubes on how one may easily melt small pieces of copper and silver.
The disadvantage of prematurely melting silver coins into ingots is on how to get fair value for them. If we are in a dire situation where bullion returns to primacy then coinage with known weights will increase their value over an ingot.
I once picked up eleven Standing Liberty quarters for five cents each because they were in a bowl as “movie prop money.”
Now I hate you.
What a find.
As part of my SHTF deep insurance policy, I’ve been thinking about buying “junk silver”. I’ve got gold and silver bullion, but they seem impractical for day-to-day. With my goal of having 5% or so of our net worth in bullion, I’ve fallen a little behind and need to pick up some more gold and/or silver.
My favorite quarter. My mom had a little collection of those and Morgan dollars.
(All melt values are from Jun 26, 2019)
Which renders this exercise utterly meaningless since Trump imposed martial law last week.
*goes back to reading anyway*
We’re all dead from all the lack of net neutrality, anyway.
Those that didn’t have a stockpile of guzzoline or a gassifyer anyway.
My “woody” (caused by improperly mixed alloy) and de-laminated ’44 P nickel.
Obverse
Reverse
Thanks for a great article, dbleagle!
That is cool. Mint errors have some good values.
When I was little I used to obsess over my (and the rest of my family’s) coins, poring over the Red Book, looking for mint errors, etc. etc. Sadly I lost the bug. I never even finished filling out my state quarters collectors album.
And I had no idea they did the territories!
I did the same when I was in high school. I was still doing that when I was stationed in Japan back in the 1970’s. I figure that the micro-economy of the exchanges and commissaries must have retained a lot of the earlier coins. Back then I would find silver coins in my change frequently. One time I found two silver quarters in the change from a single purchase.
I was amazed to find a crisp 1936 Buffalo nickel (date clearly legible) in my change from an Air Force commissary here just a couple years ago.
while beating you for trying to give them junk
Tulip especially.
What you just did there….was noticed
“The story of America’s money changing from representing Liberty as an ideal to a collection of small scale tokens of presidential worship is an interesting one”
Even more interesting is the coming transformation of America’s money from being the world’s reserve currency to just another debased fiat currency in a world of debased fiat currencies.
I like Presidential dollars for vending machines. And for the lulz of using them in day-to-day transactions. I’m on the side of “get rid of $1 bills”.
Oh, I routinely get $1 coins and $2 bills to mess with cashiers
I use a lot of $2 bills with Jefferson’s picture on it. Lots and lots of cashiers have never seen one.
I’m not a Family Guy fan, but I thought this was good.
No love for Victor D. Brenner?
He got the opening photos. There was once a rumor that the JS on the FDR dime was for Joe Stalin. They are for the designer. But the “truthiness” of the rumor is of quality.
+1 Todate!
This makes me want to dig through our 1,347 still-packed boxes and see if my childhood coin collection can be found.
I routinely sort through change to grab all the pre-1982 pennies to make elongated coins out of them. They hold the imprint better. I have quite a collection.
Thanks for a great post, Dbl Eagle!
Thanks for the write-up, dbleagle. Well done as always.
Now I need to dig out my favorite US coins and gaze upon their silver content.
I used to collect coins of all kinds as a kid, but grew out of it and gave most away to a family friend for his kids. They were of no intrinsic value. I kept the silver ones and a few that I just happen to like.
One is the Panama Pill, so called because it’s inconveniently tiny, so much so that Panama quit making them. Another is a Canada WWII nickel with a big V on one side, for 5 cents and also for victory. Around the edge are small dots and dashes that spell out in Morse code “We win when we work willingly.” No metallic value, but fun.
Dang, the Canada nickel sounds interesting.
Our second nickel had a big V but no “cents” on the reverse. It was quickly gold plated and passed off as a $5 Half Eagle. The mint quickly added the “cents”.
Here is the link to the Canada coin and a couple of others, including a little one that appears to be A US colonial coin with that fat bastard King George styled as a Roman emperor on it.
Forgot the link. Duh.
https://imgur.com/a/HHzc1sI
I have a “Racketeer” Nickel. I can’t say if it’s an original, or one created many years later for collectors, but it’s pretty cool and the story associated with it is great.
Oh, that’s cool.
Any major gaps in your hunt?
Yeah, actually a lot, ha-ha. It’s an on again, off again hobby.
I have that Canada V nickel! Somewhere….
My primary collecting goal is the coins (and notes) of all the participants in WWII, during the years of their involvement. And even with all those possibilities, the Canadian Victory Nickel is one of my favorites.
Nice article. Of the 50 state quarters, the first two (Delaware and Pennsylvania) were so unexpectedly collected and not spent that the Mint subsequently made many more of the remaining 48 states, so those first two, I believe, have slightly more collector’s value.
Well, that’s a bummer. You got me thinking about my little collection, but I can’t find it and can’t think of when I’d seen it last. I wouldn’t mind except it started with a gift from my older brother when I was a kid.
Believe it or not, I got a couple of these in change over the years.
Wow. That’s amazing.
A few years ago I heard the unmistakable sound of silver hitting a stone surface. Looked over and saw a hipster. Decided he wasn’t worthy of his treasure, so I asked him for change for a dollar bill.
4 lovely silver quarters were changed for my plain Jane dollar bill.
I didn’t know I was supposed to feel bad about it.
Nope.
I had a hard time containing my joy when I got my latest silver halves. I peeked in one end and saw a Franklin so I kept calm. Once I got outside I found the additional silver coins.
If ever there was a fool and his money deserving to be parted…
Is the old US three cent piece nickel or silver? I have a couple of those.
Depends on the year. Some were both. Before the nickel we had the “half dime” which was silver. The three cent piece was the smallest silver coin produced. The $1 gold was almost as small.
This one says 1865. Sounds cheap on the table. Wouldn’t be surprised since the Civil War was not great for the Union’s coffers.
First year of nickel 3-cent piece. It still has value to collectors and by an act of Congress in 1965 it was restored as legal tender. Now what you can buy for 3 cents is in question.
MCI worldcom stock?
Sorry—still a little bitter about that one.
For three years after high school I was a mostly worthless piece of shit, I shared an apartment with god only knows how many other pieces of shit and the hanger-ons and layabouts that that kind of lifestyle cultivates, Anyway it wasn’t until after I got my shit (reasonable) together that I realized that the coin collection my father had given me was gone. I have no idea which roomie or roomie’s friend swiped it but I am fairly certain they spent it up at the corner store on cigarettes, munchies, or alcohol. It’s odd but i’d be less angry about it if I thought they at least knew what they were stealing.
“It’s odd but i’d be less angry about it if I thought they at least knew what they were stealing.”
I can sympathize with that.
#MeToo
My dad tells me that my grandfather had two very old samurai swords in the house that he brought over from Japan – a big long one and a shorter one. He never explained where they came from or where he got them. But some fucking lowlifes broke in one night and took them. Probably sold them for $50 to buy crack.
Whaddaya gonna do. The best I can hope for is that they ended up in the hands of some serious collector who truly appreciates them.
Oh, the things that could be done to the thieves with those swords….
A friend’s grand daughter stole his silver coin collection, she was about 18-20, and was trying to spend the stuff at the local convenience store, they alerted my friend and he recovered some of the residual. Surprising he has given up hating on that child. She had a lot of other problems (plus one orphan) and has been accepted back into the family fold. She’s in her early 30s now.
Huh. I recently got a stack of these buggers from a post office vending machine and *checks* every single one is dated 2000. People must be collecting these things.
Mammary Monday provides a plethora of sideways vaginas.
http://archive.li/axnZP
Me love you long time.
My dad had an extensive (and valuable) coin collection that got stolen same time his WWII Mauser got stolen. Fuck the guy who broke in.
And who doesn’t like “A Fistful of Dollars”?
Although keeping in my Glib character I should mention it was lifted from Yojimbo.
After a protracted lawsuit United Artists actually had to pay damages. I prefer the Western, but if you like it and don’t mind subtitles I can also highly recommend Yojimbo.
Second. Kurosawa is usually pretty good.
Dees pulled one out on Saturday.
From my reading tonight…
Marianne Williamson’s new campaign strategy: critical reads of Neon Genesis Evangelion
I don’t think somebody actually got the point. She views the “…the Human Instrumentality Project that ends Evangelion by forcing humanity to psychically merge into a single consciousness is clear when Williamson writes that “there is literally nothing we could not achieve were we willing to join with each other at deeper levels” as a good thing.
My in-laws picked up an old chest filled with WWI era
military sheet music and rifle manuals at an auction. They gave it to me as a gift. Hidden in the bottom were two Reichsmark coins they didn’t notice. I never checked if they have any value… I’m more excited about the sheet music and rifle manuals.
I have a few Reichsmark coins too. The only ones with intrinsic value are the big silver 5 Mark ones. Fat times didn’t last long for that messed up SOCIALIST government.
My fave is a pair from 1935 and 1936. They both have Hindenburg’s mug on the obverse, but the 1935 one still has the standard German eagle on the reverse, while the 1936 one has the Nazi eagle, complete with swastika in its talons.
The beginnings of the slippery slope…
I’m guessing they’re not very rare. I’d bet a lot of soldiers brought them home as spoils of war.
Especially considering that I picked them up at a thrift store near Ft Sill, I imagine you’re right.
-1,000 Lawton
(where I had basic)
No argument here. I grew up near there. May be why I still enjoy the sound of artillery.
The Hotter-N-Hell is just a few weeks away
https://www.hh100.org/hhh-endurance-ride
There’s a silver 2 Mark coins as well. And some of the immediately post war aluminum coins are worth money. And some of the more common coins but from certain mints. Many Third Reich coins (and paper money) have some decent value.
…have some decent collector value.
California couple finds $11M of gold coins in a coffee can under a tree on their property.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-couple-finds-11-million-worth-gold-yard-article-1.1808077%3foutputType=amp
Their biggest mistake was telling people. Especially in California. The stat is gonna come for their “share”.
State*
They were very smart about it, contacted a lawyer and coin experts right away to help establish their legal claim.
But yeah, I reckon California and the Feds took plenty of the soil.
From California soul the gold was mined, and into the California ground go again the taxes.
Gah. When I typed “spoils” it changed to soil and when I typed soil it changed to soul.
Autocorrect can bite me.
Very nice, thanks. I have always enjoyed having and using hard money, especially the dollar coins because they feel like money and rubs it in your face that the only thing the government does really well is debase the dollar. In my glibertopia all the coins are works of art or at least interesting and there are no paper bills. Paying for things with $100 gold coins…
I just found a 1936 Buffalo nickel sitting on a bookshelf – perfectly legible date. W00t!
For some reason I don’t quite understand but probably related to “laziness” I have this small collection sitting there – even between moves – which I never dumped in with the rest of my collection that’s sitting in a box somewhere.
Great article!
I have updated my orphans firmware.
I started collecting coins as a mere yout. When I worked at Baskin Robbins in high school (76-78) I routinely found interesting coins and probably 1-2 silver quarters per month. One time I scored an entire roll of uncirculated 1957D pennies.
I like spending coinage for small purchases since it makes the purchase “more real” than just dipping a card. Plus seeing people have to deal with dollars or half dollars can be a hoot. Several times I have been accused of “fake money” by young cashiers. It is almost more fun than handing a yout $1.08 for a small purchase so I can get 50 cents back in change. Their eyes glaze over until the machine tells them the amount. It was a prized skill to be able to quickly ask a customer for additional change so you could give them “better change” .
I’ll have to try to get some $2 bills to spend. The only place I routinely get them is overseas.
I feel like a shit “playing” with cashiers. Diff’rent strokes, I guess 😛
The other day, I had a young lady fish a dime out of the change tub in order to hand me an even amount in change and I almost fell over.
Yute is the correct spelling (per my Jamaican friend)
I have handed cashiers bills and coins (ie a fiver and a quarter to cover a $3.18 purchase) and had them attempt to give the coinage back. Zero common sense.
Had a you cashier look at me strange when I gave here the coinage and a one to make it come out even. I said “Try it and see what happens.” When the chage came out to $15.00 even she said “That’s cool! How did you do that?”
Facepalm.
I had to identify the cabbage in my supermarket basket because the cashier asked what kind of lettuce it was.
Heaven help anyone attempting to buy okra outside the south these days.
I had a brand new Sacajawea dollar on me when they first came out. I brought it in my wallet when I went to Aachen and there were half a dozen fellow pub patrons trying to outbid each other For it.
It was kind of charming.
Are you certain it was the coin they were bidding on?
Lol! Well, when you put it like that…
As far as they knew, a “Sacajawea” was $20, same as downtown.
Bob Kraft’s pic on the reverse
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/161710331513-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
NSFW?
I used to have one of those. I wonder where tit went.
It stayed in Vegas?
What is the exchange rate on titty coins?
Check the picture in the article above. The Standing Liberty Quarter in 1916 and most of 1917 had her breast exposed. The US minted titty coins.
My FIL worked at a bank and kept an eye out for unusual bills/coins that would pass through. He always kept some cash in his pockets to swap out for the interesting stuff. I’ve got the box of it around here somewhere. I think there were some weird Hawiian bills in the stash.
Your FIL is a thief.
*was a thief
Yeah. He was open about it. People though he was wierd (he was). The bank just wanted to keep the books balanced. They had no way to deal with a quarter other than as $0.25
If you’re exchanging a dollar for a different dollar, I’m sure the bank could care less. It provides a nice activity for workers too, I bet, in between the dull drum of work
I put a big jar full of coins into the automatic coin sorter at Wells Fargo, and it coughed up and rejected a couple of foreign coins that had made it into the jar.
I asked the teller if she wanted them, and she said no, but that there was a regular, a little boy who loved to crawl under the table that the change machine was on and find escaped or discarded (foreign) coins.
She said she couldn’t keep the coins but strongly hinted that if I dropped them under the tablecloth they’d be found by the kid soon enough.
I thought that was nice of her.
That kid must be swimming in Canadian pennies
Awww…nice of her!
Also, TGA, I think he probably has more nickles, if my experiences are any indication.
Oops my bad, Sorry for your loss Mikey.
NP it’s been like 25 years. He asked mgt about it and they didn’t want to bother with it. When I say weird – I think his Edsel station wagon must have altually produced gasoline. He had installed every “Imrove your milage 15%” gadget in J.C. Whitney catalogue.
How is exchanging one 25 cent coin for another 25 cent coin stealing?
Note to self: MikeS is an overly serious person
Just Hyperbole-ing The Hyperbole. 🙂
Value versus worth, also it’s not his 25 cent coin to begin with so whether he swaps it out for an identical one in both value and worth it’s still theft. The fact that he may know that the value is greater than what the giver thinks it is also comes into play, he is actually stealing from the customer not his employer, if he passed the coin on to his employer, his employer would now be the thief, the amount of culpability is proportional to the amount of knowledge you have to the actual value of the trade.
Face value is face value.
Not his coin ,not his choice.
From that perspective then a person who buys a product and knows that he could resell the item for more is stealing from the original seller. Value is relative. The costumer assigned a different value to the coin than what another might assign it.
He made change after the fact. Nothing illegal about breaking a dollar.
Hey, ‘Apologist; who’s the over serious one, now?
You win this round, MikeS.
He may be breaking rules the bank sets up. If I buy a Picasso at a yard sale and the seller doesn’t realize the value, it’s not stealing. A bit sleazy not to tell the guy, however.
I dunno. Are you responsible for a seller’s/buyer’s ignorance of the value of the object being sold or the media being exchanged. Sure, you’re being a nice guy saying “Hey Bud, that pile of rusty metal is really a Bugatti worth a couple mil.” But, is it really stealing if you tender the requested fifty bucks?
Same idea, different example. I should scroll more often.
Bank robber, not thief.
Reminds me of a story about a guy who went to see about a Porsche advertised in the classifieds for dollars – expecting to find a wreck he might salvage some parts from. He shows up to find ‘he car is in near perfect condition – and buys on the spot.
His conscience gets the better of him so he goes back a week later. “Lady, do you know how much this car is worth?” “Yes, I do” – and she quotes a figure close to the market value. “It’s my husband’s car. He ran off with his secretary a couple months ago.” “Last week he sent me a power of attorney to sell the car and wire the money to him.”
Wowsers.
Several adages come to mind.
“Revenge is a dish best served cold.”
“Hell hath no fury…”
“The female of the species is more deadly than the male”
And of course the first Mrs Trump’s own advice for soon to be ex wives:
“Don’t get mad; get everything.”
The reason I kept mentioning divorces in the article is that a guy I knew in the Army had that happen to him. He got his grandfather’s coin collection as part of the will. It wasn’t anything world class but had a very nice representation on most of America’s coinage. He didn’t know shit about coins so I told him what I knew. He didn’t add to it but was saving it for his kid’s college fund.
Fast forward a few years. His Korean wife got her citizenship and promptly divorced him. He came back from 30 days abroad and his home was empty. She knew the value of the coins and just used them at laundries, 7-11’s and wherever. They were gone gone gone.
Oh, God. How utterly depressing.
That’s cool.
I have an aunt and uncle who owned a small “general store” that serves rural West Arkansas.
They have a vending machine that was brimming with silver quarters because the area was so isolated, the coins had just kept recirculating in the local area.
Dad informed them of what they had on their hands there and was rewarded with several of his choosing.
Those bills were overstamped with “HAWAII” on them, used in WW2 in Hawaii, in case Hawaii fell the money would not be honored on the mainland. After WW2 they were reasonably common in the US.
I never heard that—I like the historical oddities.
That’s what they are. It was California in the 60’s and there was still a lot of Depression and WWII vintage stuff in circulation.
Why it was so crazy that the paper money even had a statement that it could be redeemed for its value in actual silver. Imagine such a thing.
And IIRC they are worth about 10X face value for circulated and up from there depending on condition.
In WWII it was feared that Hawaii would fall to the Japanese. To protect the currency the US replaced the currency with a variation with brown seals and the word “Hawaii” stamped on them. That way if Hawaii fell they would just demonetize e all those bills and protect the currency. The government also did this for soldier pay during the North African campaign with yellow seals for the same reason.
The Sacagawea coin was not very popular from what I remember. The Treasury Department was actually handing out one per customer at banks when they first rolled out. I remember seeing people passing on a free one dollar Sacagawea coin because they didn’t want it. When I was in college one summer I was delivering pizzas and someone paid with five Sacagaweas. My boss was a dick and he insisted that I keep the Sacagawea for my tip and give him the paper equivalent of the order. I went to buy smokes with the Sacagawea coins and the cashier said “what is this? You got to give me dollars, I don’t want this play money”. I went to the bank the next day and exchanged the coins I had for dollars.
There was no love for Sacagawea where I grew-up. Lewis and Clark hardest hit
I remember from a decade or so of manning various cash registers that they don’t even have a place to put dollar coins (or half dollars). Outside of a vending machine, I have never seen anyone give or receive either one.
Stupid Treasury trying to make us Europeans by creating dollar coins. Did we lose a war or something?
We lost the culture war.
*sheds single silver tear*
All I’m saying is if they start making paper dollars all colorful I’m going to lose it
*ahem* Jean Baptiste Charbonneau hardest hit
Scroll down for the comic.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/instagram-bans-babylon-bee-founders-pro-life-cartoon-as-hate-speech/
Interesting addendum, many booksellers refused to originally sell “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” because it was viewed as offensive by some. But, this is totally different, though, because reasons
TOO PROVOCATIVE!
*punch a Nazi!*
I’m not pro-life, and there’s absolutely nothing about that comic that strikes me as hateful or offensive. It seems like the standard is more about preventing anything that might challenge a particular perspective, frankly. The blatant double-standard is disgusting.
It had the words slavery, black, and abortion in it. Algorithm satisfied.
I’m more offended by the lazy art.
Heh I noticed that.
More evidence of Hayeksplosives’ Russia collusion
https://i.imgur.com/FxyACUX.jpg
I often get confused with the Romanov crescent and the Hapsburg crescent. Vienna and Moscow can’t both be the second Rome.
I knew that shlyapa was authentic!
Kulak! No,wait….Colloaborator!
Collaborator*
/dammit fingers!
Yeah, the hats are authentic. I have one black one and one gray. The black one had a CCCP on it that I replaced with a gold feather-shaped pin.
The gray one has an authentic pin.
To top it off, I have an 18 carat gold Russian Orthodox cross I still wear occasionally.
Certainly got the attention of the fed agent interviewing me semi-recently.
No wonder I had to do the double-take. That’s what I get for taking Russian at the end of the Cold War (who knew?).
Are they comfortable/too warm/itchy/etc ?
Definitely comfortable. In Minnesoda I even let the ear flaps down and tied around my chin, whereas Russians never do that (Russians like to suffer—they enjoy it).
Now I use them in Dugway when it’s bitter cold and I have to work outside all day. I do get a lot of questions/comments on them.
Nothing beats real fur for warmth.
I…….I better keep my mouth shut.
I don’t know the type of fur, but no itch.
I assume it is flying squirrel.
Fly away, fly away, little squirrel.
Also, agreed on the ‘suffering Russians’ thing. Heard a lot about that in class.
When I was younger my aunt like to give out gifts in odd denominations: 50 cent pieces, $2 bills etc. When they came out with the Sacagawea dollar coin she gave them out for a bit. My little brother saved all of his in a little silk coin purse. For some reason to buy replica swords you have to be 18 (ITS A WEAPON!) and he wanted one. So one time I was in a store and saw a replica broadsword I knew he would like and bought it for him. He pulls out his little silk coin purse and pays me back in ‘gold’ coins. felt very fitting.
Speaking of coinage, I can still use your help…for a
feehonorarium, if necessary.(upside down question mark) Que? Signing up for that site?
My email this morning. Need proofreading for the new article before submission, if you’re keen.
Yeah, I tend to not check email often on my days off, there might be something from work in there. Plausible Deniability.
Clever
girlCPRM!Oh, wait, no, ok just checked the email. Sure.
Done. Mucho….thanko.
The ¥500 coin is gold colored. It’s fun asking Japanese people why it’s gold colored yet has no gold in it.
That’s my favorite coin in Japan.
I think I told the story of using all the 2000 yen bills in Osaka. The currency exchange only gave out 2000 yen bills. The cashiers and bartenders kept looking at me and the bills strangely. They were not widely used like the $2 bill apparently.
I wonder what is the financial impact of all the billions of Sacajaweas and such just sitting unused in vaults. Maybe it’s couch-cushion money in the grand scheme of things? Still seems like a waste.
My uncle leaves them as tips. My family has a strange fascination with currency for a peoples who claim not to be (((them))) while sporting dark hair and large nose who emigrated from Germany in the late 1800s…
Now with imovie, cellphone cameras and youtube, people are way less impressed when you say you’re making a short film than 16 years ago. Get off my lawn!
16 Years??? Get a load of Malick over here!
16 since I started actually shooting films for serious, but 11 since I’ve shot one. Client work and life has gotten in the way. That’s why I REALLY want to make one this year.
I don’t doubt it. How is the endeavor coming along?
Still stuck looking for an actress. The sticking point for years. When some rando bearded fat guy approaches ladies and says ‘I’m makin a movie’, doesn’t get a great response.
Also, reply sent.
Ahhh, the Harvey Weinstein school of dating.
Thing is, it worked for him.
“Worked”, if you have a narrow view of life. And, no morals other than, “get the gold, make the rules”.
He got the ladies and got to team up with Ted Nugent for a buddy movie.
Ehh…point taken.
Weinstein never approached the girls, he had their agents send them to his hotel room.
Potato/po-tah-to
Alright–done, and done.
Hey, Poindexter–you’re doing it wrong!
Oh my word. Hard to believe.
Yet the outrage will be minimal.
https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c
https://archive.li/eZusa/d2262be5ba296b38b2af9c41f75a16a4156d2c31.jpg
NSFW.
https://archive.li/JoU20/3b3203f05738ff7299289f092a6a732955f0f5c6.jpg
NSFW.
https://archive.li/adogG/cba50e6840bd111b42f5da4dead9c3a66e64f85a.jpg
NSFW.
That’s not just a rock wall, it’s an outdoor shower!
That woven vase needs some willow branches or a bundle of bamboo.
Never change, Q. Never change. I mean yeah, Swiss may eventually convince SP to turn you into meat jelly with the Banhammer, but your work here will be appreciated in the meantime, and reminisced after.
Nice hat.
I just remembered that, when I was 10-ish, I found a 1917 British penny under an evergreen tree in the back yard. It was a big sucker, and I can’t imagine how it got there. I had an aunt put me in touch with someone she knew who was knowledgeable about vintage coins. He said it wasn’t particularly valuable at the time, and that I should just hold on to it.
Unfortunately, I left it in my mothers’ possession, and, she has since become increasingly forgetful due to dementia. There’s no easy way to tell if she even still has it, much less where it is.
::sigh::
At least he didn’t say, “Look kid, it’s worthless. Just give it to me, I’ll get rid of it for you.” Only to see him later on the cover of Coin Collector Monthly with it. Yes I see life only through movie tropes.
Well, lucky for me, I talked to the guy over the phone, so, no threat of that.
Although, it disappearing shortly afterwards would be a great twist……
/Make it so, CPRM!
Disneyland: Knuck if you Buck
If this is a gang war in Trump’s America, I think it’s progress. (Don’t tell me otherwise because it’s depressing)
Gang, as in, they’re all the same family.
So, there’s that.
Look at you assuming they’re a family because they have kids together, white cis gendered patriarcal piece of doodoo!
I’ll just leave this here…
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/07/08/police-investigating-family-brawl-disneyland/
/I do like the “patriarcal piece of doodoo” part.
The author seems a little naive if you ask me. “Oh my goodness – family members smacking each around? I do declare!”
Let’s be fair here: they were doing it
in the happiest place on Earthin public. They were being violently shit-headed. On camera.But, point taken about the pearl-clutching aspect.
I might be naive too. In the age of terrorism, I assumed Disney had some way of providing real muscle or armed response. Their security is pathetic.
It’s extreme, but I see milder versions of the same dynamic almost every day. Moms smacking or screaming at their kids in public. Parents fighting. And always “mind your own business” if someone dares call them out on it.
Yeah, and I just completed two days of training over family violence and sex crimes/trafficking, some of which I had already taken years ago.
My God, the curriculum–designed by the Feds and the State–still uses the “1-in-4 women” stat for college sex assaults. and the source, as foot-noted? Cynthia McFadden, from ABC Nightline.
They also uses at least one statistic from Every Town for Gun Safety.
We live in the best timeline, apparently.
Sorry, I had to vent.
I don’t know, that’s some next-level shit compared to the more typical stuff I see. I’ve seen parents giving kids a pop in public, or raised voices, but that’s about as far as it goes. In public, mind you; I’m sure there are families knocking the shit out of each other that do it behind closed doors.
That sort of behavior is, if we’re being honest, more common in certain socio-economic backgrounds than others. Not physical violence per se, but airing your laundry in public is more common the lower down the ladder you go. Of course, it’s a chicken-egg scenario, like with a lot of behaviors associated with the lower classes.
1. What is wrong with these people?
2. Disney security is slooooooow.
3. Disney security looks feeble.
Military vehicle porn
https://youtu.be/ratKBu2cRp0
It’s called a Bridge Layer.
I thought it was called a Tumbler…
I think I actually remember that commercial. I did have Shipwreck.
I had Barbeque. Never did get the Bridgelayer, but I remember using other things on top of other tank toys to play as the Bridgelayer.
My first Joe was Snow Job and first “vehicle” was this one
https://youtu.be/nBRpB0R0tpw
First self propelled one was this guy
https://youtu.be/psU5F7yD2ZM
This makes me pine for a nostalgia toys article. Let us commiserate about our favorite/most memorable toys.
Anyone around now that would be up for that? Anyone here deal with vintage toys now?
My cousins got all the fancy stuff, I never got anything until it was on clearance. Except, I got this when it was still new at the tail end of GI Joe.
Canadian stealth technology?
See, that’s the kind of stories I want to read about. I especially want to her about knock-off toys that we bought/were given.
You can’t beat cheap. Of course, kids don’t appreciate that.
I’m about to drift off to sleep, but I do have memories of my parents buying knock-off toys and hoping that would satiate my lust for things, and knowing that they were knock-offs, but still smiling and nodding because they tried.
Well, g’night, and thanks for all the fish…er, help.
Did you have Shore Leave?
I had a few Joes, but my interest didn’t last long. I know I had the chameleon dude that had the swamp runner/hover bike thing. I also had one figure whose thumb I broke off by trying to force a bazooka into his hand. I distinctly remember my mom laughing her ass off when I told her, sadly, that he “couldn’t hold his bazooka any more”.
I didn’t find it particularly funny at the time.
Hi five for The Venture Brothers reference.
That’s damn right. One of the finest cartoons and reference/nostalgia shows made.
Top-notch. Yuge. You’re all gonna love it.
/Sorry; don’t know why I Trumped out there…
I remember after we watched The Boy Who Could Fly my brother dug graves for all his GI Joes (like the Fred Savage does in the movie)
Damn–I forgot Fred was in that. Because, Lucy Deakins ::swoons::
Looks like something Michael Dukakis would drive.
LOL!!
Who doesn’t like waking up to breakfast made by semi nude thicc cooks?
I look a lot like that (except white and bearded), but it’s been a long time since I had a woman that looked like that here for breakfast.
The guy that forces himself to eat? He should absolutely come to the US and play football. Dude is a brick…wait, what’s Japanese for ‘shit house’?
Just… no.
Racist.
Damned skippy.
Today’s meal is chicken stew with vegetables
Spoiler alert: everyday is chanko nabe?
I like the rationale for using chicken.
Spoiler: It’s because the chickens walk on two legs.
Uggggh no thanks. One of Q’s could make me breakfast though.
These guys are pretty much vegetarian. What amazes me is that OMWC is vegetarian and these guys look anorexic in comparison.
Who…the sumos? They’re eating chicken.
Because we’ve touched on toys a bit, here’s something interesting on year-round Santas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxIUq8kNnyQ
I probably have $50 in AAFES tokens. I wonder what the intrinsic value of the cardboard is, since I can no longer get on to Fort Lewis to redeem them.
Are they transferable? I don’t have any knowledge about them, is why I ask. If they are, I would think someone would be willing to trade/pay for them.
I doubt it. They all say “gift certificate” on them. I was told that coinage was too heavy to fly into Iraq in the early days, so they gave us the “pogs” in change. Funny thing though, I went back in 2009 and they were STILL using them. I guess they’re kind of neat, something to show the grandkids that I’ll never have, but it was annoying at the same time to think that I was buying my soft porn and beef jerky with real money, and I would only get change back in cardboard tokens.
Well, you may never have grandkids, but, you got one helluva title for your memoirs.
That does seem like a screw-job, though.
Is everything still priced on 5 cents increments or has inflation kicked it up to $.25?
Probably, but I’ve been out for a couple years, and YTC was usually the closest I got the few years before that.
https://www.aafes.com/exchange-stores/faq/#6
Also, rip Ft Lewis. JBLM can DIAF.
Huh. Well that means I’m going to have to stop complaining.
Dallas. Of course. At least Tri has a way to get some $ back.
Chafed, if you’re still on, holla back, please.
I’m not Chafed.
But thanks for the new article. Read and much appreciated.
Thank you much!
I hate to make requests, but, is there any way to have it go out in the evening? Since I don’t get on until night time, I was hoping that it could go up closer to the time I’m usually on.
Sure. The schedule isn’t set in stone yet. I’ll see if we can move some stuff around.
Done.
Thank you so much for doing that!
I don’t do much baking at my age; maybe I can buy something from Tulip for you as a sign of gratitude…
I’m craving a patty melt. Tangy, thick rye bread, a nice blend of fontina and havarti, yellow onions (from central GA, natch’) sweated down until almost black, thick cut bacon, medium-rare patty… oh baby!
I used to collect coins – had a 1790 (from memory here) penny, various Civil War era coins, and lots of silver stuff. And then I got into Morgans. I sold everything else and just concentrated on Morgan dollars. Love ’em though I’ve stopped buying.
Damn. Missed this last night. I have a penny like the first photo, but it has a minting error. The cent is cunt. I shit you not. I’ll dig it out of our coins and upload a pic sometime today and try to get dbleagle’s attention to it.
Nice article. I have a steel penny that my mom saved from WWII (not sure of the year, offhand). I also have three Sacagaweas that are 180 degree die rotated. I thought they might be valuable but the coin dealer I took them to was not at all interested. Final comment: some ancient coins in small denominations were made of bronze, so it wasn’t just copper.
It’s a 1943. Pretty corroded, but the date is still easily visible with a loupe.
Very good article! I will have to have my orphans be more careful about checking coinage. I never heard of proof coins in circulation.