Social justice is a term that gets thrown around a lot these days, so it’s worth taking a little time to define it and talk a little bit about its history. In its original and broadest sense, social justice refers to the rights an individual possesses in relationship to the society of which the individual is a part. For centuries, to the extent that social justice was distinguished as a separate concept it had to do with the moral obligations that either institutions had to individuals within society or that members of society had to one another above and beyond their legal obligations. The Catholic Church in particular used the latter meaning to promote charity as a moral duty.
To sum it up, social justice is the idea that being a member of society entails certain obligations to society in exchange for certain benefits from society; social justice, then, is that state wherein an individual fulfills those obligations to society and vice versa. This isn’t just a matter of expecting that your garbage will be picked up because you’ve paid your bill. This has more to do with the individual’s role as a part of society, and the less transactional, more ephemeral expectations one might have of society. In some cases this overlaps with more traditional senses of justice, e.g. you would expect equal treatment under the law no matter your ethnic background, while in others it goes into ideas such as the expectation of being treated with dignity or respect.
The idea of social justice changed rapidly towards the beginning of the 20th century as the Progressive movement and the Socialist movement both seized it to add moral gravitas to their platforms. The idea itself is deliciously vague. If society has an obligation, who specifically has to fulfill it? Who determines if a person has fulfilled their duties to society? What are those duties, and what does society owe in exchange? As those movements and others since have adopted social justice as a moral justification they’ve offered their own answers, giving us social justice as we know it today.
Social justice in the modern era has a few key characteristics. It is first and foremost a revolutionary movement very similar to the Cultural Revolution. It is largely a vehicle by which a minority composed largely of young academics attempt to gain political power by breaking down traditional moral norms and establishing themselves as a new moral authority. Like the Cultural Revolution, adherents want to destroy tradition, which they see as a tool of oppression. Also like the Cultural Revolution, it is a movement based more on faith than evidence, and sees logic as a tool to be used or discarded depending on its utility in achieving goals rather than as a set of rules by which ideas should be evaluated. Finally, just like the Cultural Revolution, adherents use social pressure, fear, and shame to attack rivals or foes, particularly those who they perceive as being members of a cultural or political majority. It is this aspect in particular which makes social media, especially outlets such as Twitter, so appealing to the social justice movement.
One might think of social media in terms of eras. The ancestor of modern social media is the BBS, or Bulletin Board System, a simple, popular, effective format that lives on today in comment sections across the Internet, for better or worse. As access to the Internet became cheaper and more widespread and as web technology advanced, people began making their own websites. Later, services arose that offered an individual web presence without requiring any technical knowledge, with a heavy emphasis on personalization, such as MySpace and LiveJournal, and ultimately Facebook, which took the basic format of a personal webpage and added a social aspect. The prevalence of mobile devices brought us full circle with services like Twitter, which sacrificed some of the “webby” flavor of services like Facebook in favor of rapid broadcast communications not unlike the BBS of old. Social media started off with people talking to each other, then went to people advertising themselves, and has now arrived at people advertising themselves and talking to each other. Or, if you’d prefer, we talked to other cat owners about our cats, then made websites so that people we don’t know could look at our cats, tried to meet other people with cats, and now keep everyone updated about our cats whether they care or not.
An important trend in the development of social media is that the barrier to entry has lowered significantly. Access is dramatically cheaper and easier than it was thirty years ago, for instance. This means more people have access to social media, which means more cat updates, more responses to cat updates in terms of volume and frequency, and faster responses to the responses. Instead of sitting down at a computer, dialing the modem, waiting for the connection, and downloading text, anyone with a smartphone can post something in seconds while doing something else–unthinkingly, one might say.
This has not been an unvarnished blessing for humanity. It has, however, done wonders for the adherents of the modern social justice movement. Modern social media, in particular Twitter, is arguably the lifeblood of the social justice movement as it exists today for a number of reasons.
Recall that the social justice movement is motivated by a desire to attack and displace what it views as the dominant power structure using tactics such as public shaming and ridicule, upsetting traditional social structures and values, and replacing them with its own, with social justice adherents taking political power from the old guard. Now, consider a platform such as Twitter. It’s a free communications service that lets users broadcast short messages to groups. It offers an extremely low transaction cost, which is to say that a person can broadcast a message instantaneously without fear of interruption, immediate physical reprisal, or damage to reputation–provided that the user has insulated himself or herself by using a pseudonym. Contrast this to, for instance, public speaking, where a person can be shouted down by a crowd, threatened with physical violence, or attacked.
Consider also the nature of social media as its own parallel social environment. Social connections made via the Internet differ from those made in any other venue not just in geographic distance but in the way in which Internet societies tend to exist in isolation from other traditional societies. In every other context, be it face-to-face, print media, television, or radio, participants maintain a connection to their personal lives. On the Internet it’s much more common, in fact it’s the default condition, that people create a separate persona. How many people reading this are using their real names as user ids, for instance? It’s not a coincidence that the phenomenon of “doxxing” didn’t arise until social media, despite the fact that for centuries now people have been able to write something anonymously and send it to a printer for publication.
One way to think of social media is as if it were taking the game of traditional social interaction and shaking the board. In this new environment you can recreate yourself. A cat may look at a king, as the saying goes, but even further, the cat can become a king. Clout in social media is largely based on one’s ability to attract attention. There’s also a deep personal investment that’s encouraged by the medium despite the potential for anonymity. Social media attention is measured in metrics such as “likes” or followers or friends. It is an environment that is extremely personal and driven by noise, rather than truth. It is, ultimately, a clamoring mob looking for direction from the loudest member, without regard for credibility. And the emotion that it evokes has consequences in the real world.
If you’ve observed discussions about topics of social justice in person, you may have noticed that they tend to falter once they start to get to details. The inability of the term itself to support any rigorous defense quickly leads to a situation where advocates must rephrase their argument more specifically and lose the moral cushion of the broader, meaningless term. In a social media context, however, the medium lends itself to an emotional argument to the crowd. Most people can explain why, for instance, a minimum wage is counterproductive to the people it’s supposed to help, but if forced to do so in a Facebook comment or a tweet, that’s a much more difficult proposition. Anyone who has tried to explain to a toddler that they can’t have ice cream until tomorrow has seen this first-hand.
So, how do you handle social justice and social media?
Ideally, don’t. Don’t engage. Social media’s low transaction cost means that people who don’t value your time or attention can throw a thoughtless comment out and go on with their day. It also means that people who have more energy and vitriol than sense and responsibility can occupy the field longer than you. Bear in mind also that these people are trolls. The goal is to get attention, not to resolve a conflict or arrive at a deeper truth. There is no scenario in which you engage in reasonable debate and both arrive at a better place.
If you absolutely must, however, never–NEVER–apologize. Never concede the point. Never even concede the terms of the argument. This not only lends credibility to their argument but it puts you in a position of guilt you won’t escape. Celebrity after celebrity makes the mistake of offering a conditional apology–”If I’ve offended anyone I apologize…”–and suffers for it. You will not be forgiven just because you did nothing wrong. The point was the attention. Therefore, if you must engage, ridicule. Poison the attention they’re getting. If there’s one thing that is absolutely deadly in the world of social media, it’s humor. Few survive becoming a laughingstock.
The shame of the modern social justice movement is that they took a benign but meaningless term and used it as a hammer for socialism and radical Progressivism. A society can neither be just or unjust; only people can be just or unjust. To say that a society can act in that sense is the same fallacy that lies behind people saying that a market failed to do X; it’s no coincidence that these same people tend to advocate for statist solutions, believing as they do that the state, whether it’s called “society” or “the market” dictate human choice. Social media is dominated by statists because statists dominate social media. In this sense it’s no different than traditional media.
Social media means idiots and morons I never had to pay attention to now have a voice and a platform.
First, bitches!
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This guy gets it. Ego, satisfied.
I take it you haven’t read the latest Babylon bee expose on Firsts!
Spud doesn’t care about heaven. He’s already there.
“Is this heaven?”
“No, it’s I
owadaho.”If I recall correctly, you and I first met via the earliest version of social media, and we had our little following. So, the important question is, which of us is the moron, and which is the idiot?
Yes.
Damn your eyes. I got nothin’.
Bah. It was like he teed it up for me.
Somebody had to take a swing.
Talk about social justice and social media
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/07/11/of-course-aocs-chief-of-staff-just-spilled-the-beans-on-the-green-new-deal-and-we-were-right-all-along/
well that was a shock. I know I have that old shock face somewhere down here among my collection of used panties.
Does EF know about your collection?
She buys them for him, so he doesn’t have to be seen buying women’s lingerie.
Can I get a price check on the crotchless panties for the gentleman on aisle three?
Wow. The humor there is about four levels deep. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Twitchy is getting annoying with the adblock thing. It counted reading the same page as two.
What a terrible little toad. Napoleon complex?
Napoleon was a pig.
I thought he was Corsican?
nice article!
Thanks, man!
Solid advice. I’m going to go share it in Twitbook right now!
A society can neither be just or unjust; only people can be just or unjust. To say that a society can act in that sense is the same fallacy that lies behind people saying that a market failed to do X;
I made this exact point in a college class. It did not go over well.
This is the point Margaret Thatcher made with her famous “There is no such thing as society” comment which, unsurprisingly, has consistently been taken out of context over the past 30 years.
I dunno that I agree. Just because individual components have a characteristic independent of one another doesn’t meant that the aggregated system can’t be generalized as having or not having that characteristic.
There’s a hole in the floor mat of my car where my loafers have worn it down. The floor mat is broken. Is my car broken? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what standard you measure it by. My wife hit a deer last Christmas and it caused $3000 worth of damage to the front end bodywork of my car. The bodywork was broken. Was my car broken? Obviously, yes.
I think it’s really easy to overgeneraluze, but I don’t buy the argument that a society can’t be labeled just or unjust. Heck, half of Tom Sowell’s books make value judgments about various societies.
I would say North Korea is an unjust society.
A market can be unjust as well due to government interference. For example the drug market in the the U.S. has a massive amount of prohibitions, regulations, etc.
One day I’ma have to do an article on what a government/society/state is, and does, and ask a few questions about how the stated purposes of the aforementioned so seldom match the real world results (full disclosure: I’m about three millimeters from being a rational anarchist).
That would be wonderful.
There is no scenario in which you engage in reasonable debate and both arrive at a better place.
Bullshit.
He didn’t say anything about unreasonable debates
My snark aside, Naptown is using a very broad brush here. Social media are what you make of them, I have seen numerous reasonable discussion on both Facebook and Twitter. Any idiot may be able to throw out a thoughtless comment, but these are just as easy to ignore as they were to cast, yes don’t feed the trolls as they kids used to say, but the mere existence of trolls is no reason to shut out an entire medium of communication.
I saw it more of it’s hard to have a good outcome over social media. I’ve had many reasonable discussions with people i fundamentally disagree with. The internet has rarely been the forum for it.
not necessarily commenting on the article:
I use twitter and fb; it’s great because I follow and enjoy reasonable folk
fb is for graduations and baby pictures
twitter is for certain reasonable folk to help alert me to certain goings on
as in all things, humor and patience are indispensable
I like twitter for customer service with large companies when their normal channels aren’t working.
You’re taking what I said out of context. What I’m saying is that engaging with people pushing a social justice agenda via social media is fruitless because the purpose of the initial post is not generally to engage in discussion. I am not saying that reasonable discussion cannot be had via social media, nor am I saying that there are not reasonable people who use social media.
“Ideally, don’t. Don’t engage. Social media’s low transaction cost means that people who don’t value your time or attention can throw a thoughtless comment out and go on with their day. ”
This is important point. I’ve been perusing Facebook a bit more lately and everyone who posts a lot you can tell has nothing important to do.
I dumped FB a few months ago and don’t miss it one bit.
Also Twitter, although I only posted on it a couple times.
I have an account I log into every few months to check messages (some friends/coworkers don’t use email regularly and others have their “work” email changed when they switch [military] assignments) – it’s a good way to stay in touch with a few people at least.
But yeah…I enjoy some stuff on Twitter….but scrolling through the new posts first thing in the morning is a really easy way to get a bad taste in your mouth and a bad attitude to start the day off – not cool. Much less stress to avoid it. (two edged swords and all that jazz)
I dumped Twitter six years ago (roughly). Don’t miss it at all.
Painfully low signal-to-noise ratio.
I like twitter because I can still shitpost there while at work.
I still have FB mainly because it’s my main means of keeping in touch with some relatives and friends. I do nothing with it other than talk to them/share pictures with them/etc. My privacy settings are pretty high and I only interact with a small handful of people, usually no more than a few times per month.
I participate here, and on a teeny, tiny martial arts website I administrate. I pretty much look at social media as a cesspool I choose not to be involved in.
But, where do you get likes from?
My dog. 😀
So you are saying you fight midgets?
Those little fuckers are vicious. They can punch you right in the knee cap.
Riiiight…..“knee cap”.
Yeah, I joined FB to find my brother who I hadn’t talked with for about a year. I abandoned my page right after that. I post here and… well, I post here.
Well, to be fair, I do have an Instagram account. But that’s for my portrait stuff and to look at other photogs’ and models’ work.
WinkwinknudgenudgesaynoMORE!
Yeah, actually I have one too. I use it to buy and sell MC parts. Although, I haven’t done a lot of that for the last few years either.
I waver on Instagram. I’ll get on for a few weeks to see old friends’ babies and vacations and whatever, and then my feed gets filled with the movement/outrage/whatever of the weel, and I get annoyed and uninstall the app. I wish I could just have the keeping up with old friends part and leave the rest.
I post here and a few hobby sites. One of which happens to be auto related.
Ford, who I generally prefer to the General, did not make me happy in the early part of this decade. I can’t stand the infotainment system on my Explorer, but I’m quite happy I never bought anything with their dual clutch transmission.
This just made the Detroit Free Press
https://www.freep.com/in-depth/money/cars/ford/2019/07/11/ford-focus-fiesta-transmission-defect/1671198001/
Ford? #NeverAgain.
Fix Or Repair Daily
Or
Found On Roadside Dead
Yup. I take it you know the pain of that ownership.
Sweet JC…I can’t even, right now.
Found On Res Dump
That’s a new one. Probably won’t get much traction around here…
/get it??
plethora of Res dumps round here, at least Res’s, not sure where all the dumps are anymore. *reminisces about the old days of going to the dump and seeing the big pit where all the trash was burned*
From the article:
“The 2012-16 Focus and 2011-16 Fiesta equipped with the DPS6 have been the subject of 18 recalls for a range of defects, but none for transmission repair.”
BS. my wife has the 2013 Focus and my Mom has a 2012 Fiesta.
Both have been recalled for transmission repair/recalibration. My Wife’s car did have a control module go bad, but it was fixed under the extended warranty.
Mostly the first two years had software and controller problems.
This article reads like it was written by a law firm for the plaintiff.
Just made the Detriot news? I thought it had been comon knowledge for years that that DCT was trash. Ford hasn’t done too well in owning up to problems. See Focus RS head gasket.
The Fiesta 6 spd manual is sweet.
All 3(?) American car manufacturers produce really good vehicles, and all 3(?) produce garbage. I think the Japanese and Koreans make only good stuff, but maybe their low end vehicles just aren’t worth exporting. I like cars from the East, but for trucks… I want a 350 minimum. Gimme a big block, something that makes the ground rumble a little. Something that’s got almost a liquid kinda purr idling at the stop light… yeah.
Speaking of social media, this (IMO) particularly bad take by suderman showed up in my feed.
https://reason.com/2019/07/10/will-another-court-vote-to-strike-down-obamacare/
He does some hand wringing that conservatives are going to successfully overturn all of Obamacare.
I understand the “right outcome for the wrong reasons “ is bad when it comes to legal matters, but I think that the fundamental reasons are correct. Obama and congress argued that the individual mandate was inseparable from the law. It really is for it to function feasibly at all. Just because congress was able to neuter the provision does not change the fact that the law has to live with the wrong reasons provided by Roberts to keep it alive.
Too inside-baseball for me. The real question is, what is the federal government doing mucking around in something it has no business to?
That too. The whole law is unconstitutional, but the state of things is we have to argue about saving constructions given by One Man In Robes
That’s an argument I used to expect Reason to make. Not anymore, it seems.
I’m not sure that’s a fair argument. Duderman made that argument for years and happily reported on that argument from Cato scholars, among others. He doesn’t like the law. He’s making the narrow point that the procedural posture of this case is irregular, in part, because the Supreme Court has made a mess of things.
You are right it’s inside baseball.
OK, fair enough. I still think this article could go a little more “big picture”. Maybe it did and I was nodding off and missed it.
OT: Better than a woodchipper?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npA-CD9xIwI
I want one.
On the side bar was a video of a guy restoring a 100 year old Chinese cleaver he had bought for $2. Piece of crap became a work of art.
Well, that thing is kind of terrifying.
It’s somehow soothing watching those things.
Here’s one devouring engine blocks.
https://youtu.be/bJ-7N67eTiE
Sorry to be that guy, but that was a transmission, akshually. 🙂
Akshully that was a whole power-train from a 4 wheel drive. Engine with accessories, transmission and transfer case.
Good thing that propane tank was empty.
They fed a vampire into one of those in “30 Days of Night”. Turns out it’s more effective than a wooden stake.
Man, the gear ratio driving those chewing wheels…
Figure I might wind up preorder KDW’s new book. Hell, he’s got an endorsement from Krugman:
LOL
Heck, I’d get my publisher to add that to the next printing as a blurb!
I’ll take two.
Thank you for the article, I was greatly looking forward to it! It really is amazing how much disconnect there is between twitter/socmed and the real world. It’s been refreshing when I go back stateside and not having to deal with the nonsense I see on twitter daily.
Speaking of manufactured social justice outrage. It’s also used to sell shit.
“”If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f*ck out of you.” Tim Miller on why #TerminatorDarkFate will have internet trolls shaking in their boots:”
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1149053177100042240
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-scares-internet-trolls-1202156922/
Another word that doesn’t mean anything any more.
This and The Little Mermaid’s faux outrage were such jokes.
That was totally manufactured.
They’re weren’t even trying to be subtle about it either. Fuggin hell, at least give me quality bait.
But c’mon, I think in today’s world gingers get it worse than blacks, thanks to Cartman; missing out on the oppression rodeo with The Little Mermaid.
Linda Hamilton is like “Hello?”
Summer Glau is the best Terminator.
They’re getting roasted in the comments. Either Indiewire is infested with “misogynist trolls” or they (and the rest of Hollywood) are once again misreading the nation from up in their towers.
When advertisers someday realize that rage clicks (contempt clicks, really) aren’t monetizeable, it’s over for these two-bit outfits.
The very first comment:
DAMN!! Can I at least see the movie before I get berated and insulted by the characters or producers??
The hilarious thing is that The Sarah Conner Chronicles was extremely popular with the same people who are not happy with how this new one is shaping up, which kind of demolishes the “misogynists” bullshit.
“A woman ordered a ‘Moana’ cake for her daughter — but the baker heard ‘marijuana’
(CNN) — A marijuana-themed cake made this family’s day in Milledgeville, Georgia — mainly because it was a mistake.
Kensli Davis, whose favorite movie is Disney’s animated tale “Moana,” wanted a movie-themed cake to celebrate her 25th birthday. But when her mom called the local Dairy Queen with the order, the shop heard “marijuana” instead.
And boy, did it deliver.
Davis posted on Facebook about the twist to her special day. “My mama called and ordered me a cake telling them how much I loved Moana. (Because really I do) Well needless to say these people thought she said marijuana. That ice cream cake was still good though,” she wrote.
Dairy Queen had no comment on the mixup.”
https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/a-woman-ordered-a-moana-cake-for-her-daughter-but-the-baker-heard-marijuana/
She’s 25?
Should’ve gotten a baked cake from some other shop.
Maybe Fake? They ordered the MJ cake and then made up the Moana story to get noticed?
This.
I’m going with fake. Who orders a cake with a cartoon character image without giving more details about the character’s pose, background, other details?
Look at the bright side, she could have mistaken the request for “Moaner”.
Mmmmmm….erotic cakes.
::gurgle::
“I’ll have what she’s having”
I learned early in my on-line chat experience to temper my words even more than I would in meatspace. Nobody makes himself look more pusilaneous than the internet tufgai typing words he would never consider uttering face-to-face. I might make an exception for a bald-faced troll but generally I don’t have time for that.
I do have to say that there have been times when my life has been enriched by internet chat boards. One time I had a jovial tit-for-tat argument with another member of a board I used to inhabit over one aspect of our shared interest – the argument done entirely in iambic pentameter.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Did I just hear your mom call you for dinner?
/webcam comment section
“I am trained in gorilla warfare…” Nice touch.
WOT M8!?!
LOL I saw this in the Daily Mail today re: Tommy Robinson
Nice article, Bill.
I can largely avoid it since I don’t engage in any social media myself (other than here and DriveTribe). My kids, however, need constant guidance adjustments. The proggies have done a great job of infiltrating nearly everything.
I’d like to apologize for making an apology earlier today. Am I getting that right?
Jim Bouton passed away yesterday. “Ball Four” guy and many other things relating to baseball .
You’d like to apologize for apologizing? Are you running for the Democrat Presidential nomination?
If it wasn’t for the honor of the thing I’d almost rather be in Philadelphia
Re Jim Boutin. He and Jim Brosnan’s books changed how teenage mikey looked at baseball. They made it human and relateable.
+1 “Smoke ’em inside.”
Well, that sucks.
In my 9th grade English class, my teacher could tell that I was not invested. One day, a copy of Ball Four appeared in the back shelves, near where I sat. I read that book in class and was never called out. A product of it’s time, yes, but also funny and insightful. Also, a daughter of one of his teammates almost became my GF.
In any event, Thank you, Mrs. Long.
I loved that book as a teenager too. From it I hoped one day I’d have a roommate I’d call “Rooms”. And I could never see pitcher Bob Locker without remembering Mickey Mantle called him “Snot” when everyone else called him “Foot”, because Mantle swore he had a snot locker at home.
Don’t steal my morning links, Gramps.
Just to highlight one of Bill’s points, much of this a “disease of affluence”. It’s not just that advancement of technology has lowered the cost of entry. Back in the BBS days most people couldn’t afford a computer. It’s not just that people have more free time to spend online. It’s that if you go back far enough in history, believing in toxic nonsense could easily result in physical demise. Social justice warriors can survive online only because life is so much easier now they can physically survive in the real world.
I believe that people whose on-line persona is vastly different from their real life persona must be inducing a psychosis at some level if they do that for an extended period of time. It seems this is way too common in this age.
I’m sure many of them are just as insufferable and crazy in real life. They can just get away with it nowadays.
Ah, good point. Maybe you’ve met my kid sister…
On topic:
“this is the most headass “becoming the sjws to own the sjws” shit i’ve ever seen what the fuck did he say that was racist. this is embarrassing. all the boomers praising him in the replies. bizarro world.”
https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1149272136986562560
“? VIRAL ALERT ? A Black Trump Supporter was minding his own business in Central Park, NY when a White Man told him “You’re Terrible” after seeing his “Keep America Great” shirt and MAGA Hat. Why is this not on the news?! WE NEED TO SPREAD THIS VIDEO OURSELVES! ‼️ RETWEET ‼️”
https://twitter.com/OleMurica/status/1148722361170108417
It’s Oppression Olympics all the way down.
So social justice is like arguing with one’s wife? After a few attempts in early married life most /some/one of us learned that it is fruitless. Logic and facts are immaterial and worst case the couch becomes a home for a night or two. There is no winning.
worst case the couch becomes a home for a night or two
I like your worst case and wish to subscribe.
Yep, that is not within 100 yards of worst case, Buddy!
I would think that the worst case would be waking up to a smiling wife and your genitals on the nightstand.
‘look, i bobbed it!”
The Bobbit, or There and Back Again
Just excellent, Nap. A lot of good info to digest.
Thot Thursday shows off tig ole bitties.
http://archive.li/KqIiJ
Thanks, Nap. I’d say that we should be on social media, but mind your p’s and q’s when dealing with unhinged people. The psycho identitarians both left and right just can’t help themselves and will say something batshit crazy eventually. Now that batshit is out there for all to see. I’m afraid that decent people will cede the most powerful medium of communication to the statists. So what if someone trolls you. So what if poo flinging happens. Let them expose themselves.
Sunlight is the best exposure as the saying goes.
You hit a ton of crucial points, but I want to reinforce a few:
1)if you reply to the propaganda with logic and reason, you already lost.
2) this is the single biggest influencer of younger generations of malleable minds
3) just like everything else, progs skinsuited social justice long ago.
4) there is no middle ground. Scorched earth.
The key aspect of number 1 isn’t that you respond with logic. It’s that logic can have a bias. There’s a lot of data that suggests we employ logic to reinforce a position that was based on gut feeling. Logic alone can turn into navel gazing. Get the premises crystallized first and then have the logical debate. Premises are were gut feelings manifest and are where faulty thinking can be pointed out.
Before I drink too much, I’d like to thank everyone here for an oasis of depravity and collegiality. A safe space, as it were.
Fuck off, slaver.
https://youtu.be/rl_NpdAy3WY
Fuck off Tulpa.
*tosses off bourbon*
You named your penis “Bourbon”?
Weird flex, but OK.
He actually has it tattooed on his dick. Tries to use it as a pick-up line.
“Do you like the taste of bourbon?”
Into the woodchipper you go.
On an honest note, same thoughts. Y’all are gems.
Uh, Raph… you left out the ‘r’.
Oh, and a piece of constructive criticism, Nap. I need specific examples to process information. If you could add a few more real life examples of social media interactions, dolts like me could grasp the wonderful points you made more easily.
The old and the new. The contrast inspired a pic.
https://imgur.com/a/RDuRlMK
Heh. Getting late – it took me a minute.
Times change. Leaves turn yellow, red and orange. The women here thiccen.
I just turned 50, and I needed to make a vodka run this evening but it was raining so I squeezed myself into a pair of jeans that I haven’t worn in a few months.
Japanese women aren’t the only people who thiccen.
Looks like Nick Monroe is back. I hope he doesn’t get banned. Again.
“NEW: President @realDonaldTrump references Andy Ngo incident, calls it a “disgrace” that he “got slugged.” President @realDonaldTrump shames ANTIFA and calls them WEAK. “they’re never there when we have a Biker’s rally.””
https://twitter.com/NewsChute/status/1149416584722690048
“AOC appears to suggest that Pelosi is targeting her because Pelosi wants her to get death threats: “It’s singling out 4 individuals, and knowing the media environment that we’re operating in, knowing the amount of death threats that we get …. I think it’s just worth asking why””
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1149367947174928385
But of course it’s crickets when CNN keeps calling Trump a facist dicator all the damn time. AOC needs to grow a brain and a spine.
Also, an ass.
Quite so, it’s depressing considering she’s a latina.
Latinx”. Get woke Bro.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/latinx-word-elizabeth-warren-mispronunciation/
I refuse to accept this bastardization of mi español.
Third
Indeed. Her ass is depressingly flat, especially for a Latina.
Ummm…well this was an embarassing accident.
Why? You’re not wrong.
No–puppy piddle is an embarrassing accident.
You simply double-posted a good thot thought.
Both you and BP gave me a damn good chuckle.
Also, shot you an email today.
“Do you think she’s racist?”
“No, no. Absolutely not.”
I’m not saying AOC is being sarcastic, but if she were being sarcastic she would’ve said that exactly the same way she did.
The reality of said “death threats” neatly ties into one of tonight’s themes.
does she think death threats are the same as actual death or violence?
Only when applied to her.
This is a grapefruit:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1149455965365739525
Yellow on the outside, pink on the inside?
Best. Timeline.
1. I saw a hat in the wild with eyes on it, made me upset I can’t find a good place to get hats made.
2. Tonight is the anniversary of something real shitty in my life, so apologies in advance if I end up going to a dark place at some point.
3. Beer!!!
Cheers. Coffee ☕️ ok?
I don’t drink coffee. Now I feel othered and gaslighted!
But you are an “other”.
I’m being attacked by the patriarchy! *arms milkshake*
Ooh! Ooh! Make mine strawberry please!
I’m not a fruity Antifia, you’ll get plain vanilla and like it young man!
“Plain” vanilla?
Racist.
Talk back again, and I’ll add the Metimucil! Then you can have an ‘orange’ shake!
Hah! Jokes on you. Vanilla is my favorite ice cream and just slightly less desirable milkshake.
Make mine a 99
Metamucil? Pfffft…. If you can find any.
C’mon, Gustave–stand by the jams.
And sir Digby shows why we need to elect Sanders…fuckin commie!
*hurls a MILO shake at Gustave*
“MILO shake”??
2.
I mean I guess.
3.
All is forgiven.
I have a tin sign hanging in my kitchen that scientifically proves the power of beer.
https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1149133070592815104
WTF Odell Beckham Jr?
looks like the fat suit Martin Lawrence wore for Big Mamma’s House, not as good as the ones Eddie Murphey wore The Nutty Professor, but better than those Madea movies.
You’re a Texas girl (and hot, to boot); no need to get highfalutin’ here.
That looks…unfortunate.
Odell is a great player, and as a Giants fan I’m skeptical that the trade was a good move. That said, the dude is weird.
Make America PreTrump Again.
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/7/11/20690243/joe-biden-foreign-policy-speech-new-york-trump
Does that make HIM the conservative?
You’re living in the past, man.
I’m pretty sure it makes him senile.
I stir fried some asparagus tonight using our jet-engine wok stand. I can’t emphasize enough how those super-high temps totally change the way the food comes out.
Oh, and fuck cultural appropriation.
Link please. I would love to try that.
This is the one SP bought me. It seriously totally changed the quality of my Chinese cooking.
Sad! I see at least three problems.
Outdoor.
Gas hookup.
They don’t sell it anymore.
🙁
Propane. And yeah, anything this hot and smoky, you need outdoors or industrial hood.
A fish/turkey fryer works exactly like that.
You can get those at any of the big outdoor places (Bass Pro, Gander Mtn, Academy).
Still outdoor and gas, though.
You can run something similar indoors, but you MUST have a commercial range hood/exhaust.
Heh I don’t have an exhaust or an outside.
Found a site with some alternatives
Sadly I don’t see an alternative to “outdoor” there.
I like that charcoal one. I wonder how it would work for a steak.
That thing came from Iron Man’s suit.
I need lessons or something, I guess. When I tried that, it basically incinerated the food.
The key is to use a seasoned wok, heat it to smoking, turn off the heat, add oil and swirl. Then turn the heat back on and keep everything moving. Turn the heat down after you get the char you want.
SP and I have talked on and off about doing some cooking videos.
Flash frying is awesome for making the vegetables snappy and carmelized at the same time.
A proper seasoned frying pan and high heat will do a good job too, if you work it right.
OK, so you’re heating the wok, not the oil then? That might be it – I put the oil in at the beginning.
Interesting. That is the same secret I learned for using a stainless steel pan – adding the oil only when it’s hot enough.
That’s one of the things the Frugal Gourmet taught.
Let’s not talk about the other things, though…
My mom was the biggest Frugal Gourmet fan. She refused to believe the allegations and was annoyed for years that he never got his show back. Still uses his cookbooks to this day.
I used to watch him on local PBS back in the 80’s. Thought he was a great cook show host.
I don’t fault anyone who had trouble believing the story back then.
Also, food is food, and recipes don’t typically have a morality attached*.
*yeah, yeah…
“Hot pan, cold oil, food won’t stick.”
What SP said.
I find myself repeating that every so often.
Well, I guess I know now why my attempt at chow mein was less than successful.
Look up Chinese Cooking Demystified on YouTube. Excellent channel.
I’d be interested in that.
I come from a culture that has a long history of fucking cultural appropriation, and we don’t appreciate you tryna steal our gig.
Jews will steal anything the Gypsies haven’t already gotten.
I was shocked at how much heat the doyble crown burner in my new kitchen produces. The work is smoking in like 30 seconds despite using the highest smokepoint oil I can get…. Then again I still fear my wok
So, five years ago tonight, I lost my father. To some this would be difficult. My own case has several compounding factors. My father had MS. I was one of his primary care givers. This relationship kind of flipped our relationship and he became like a son to me for all I had to do for him. I spent most of my time with him, so he also became my best friend. So that night I lost my father, my son and my best friend. Compound that with the fact that I truly could have prevented it and you’ve got a big helping of survivor’s guilt on top. Add to that the way my family has fractured since and the support system that could have helped me through this time dissolved, and that I have nothing in my personal life; and man this hitting me hard this year. You’re welcome for depressing you. Beer.
Awww. I’m sorry you’re having a tough time.
Sorry to hear that, man. It may be cold comfort, but try think about the love and care you provided him in his illness, and how much that must have meant to him.
I will pre-emptively apologize – I tend to be awful at saying comforting things.
Hopefully, you know you have my condolences, thoughts, prayers, etc. I would normally add the insulting stuff, but, I’m gonna hold off. I lost my dad when I was 3, so, I have my own take on that kind of loss.
Are you up for explaining how you could have prevented it? I don’t know much about MS. Unless, there’s another facet to the story.
He actually died from a UTI (which again is depressing that after being hit by a train, having a plane blow on him, he was killed by his own piss) because he had a catheter because he couldn’t get to the bathroom on his own. He got these infections quite regularly. He had this one and my mom was going to bring back some meds on her way back from taking my sister to the ER for something else. As the day wore on and my mom was still stuck the ER with my sister and my dad’s infection got worse I should have taken him to the ER himself and gotten it taken care of. But I trusted she’d be back in time. He was delirious when I left him. A 15min ride and some IV antibiotics and he’d have survived. Instead when I went back it was my worst fear (before he got really sick I took care of some elderly relatives and I always feared finding them dead in their sleep). When my mom got back she called me back their to take him to the ER, when I arrived she said, “well, now he fell asleep” He wasn’t asleep.
Huh….
You probably know the various points I could make as a counter to your assertion. None of which, I suspect, would make you feel any better. That said, I doubt your father would want you holding yourself accountable for this, as I’m sure he didn’t.
Five years is long time in terms of loss. If I were home, I’d have a beer in his honor (and yours). My apologies for having you re-hash that.
Also: a train AND a plane?? Movie titles aside, DAAAMN! That’s quite the life, there. Tip of the hat to him!
If there is one thing I learned in years of working in Fire/EMS, you can’t ever know what would have happened. So much inexplicable stuff happens, all the time, good and bad, and it’s really so far out of our hands after a certain point.
I see no fault on your part here. I know saying, “don’t be so hard on yourself” doesn’t help, but don’t be so hard on yourself.
You know your Dad wouldn’t want you to shoulder this. Mostly in life, love is all we have to give or receive. And you were both blessed by that.
I was thinking that, too. Hypotheticals are a “real” bitch.
Well, damn, dude. You know SP and I wish we could be there to mix a few drinks and give you some support.
Crap. I’m sorry CPRM.
Just poured a shot of that Basil Hayden Dark Rye. Here’s to your Dad, CPRM.
sorry to hear that, lack of personal life is tough in such periods, I quite understand…
I have long thought about how reactions may be different in the case of a longer illness versus something sudden and completely unexpected like my dad.
Yeah my mom went very suddenly. One week I was helping her troubleshoot Windows and enjoying her new photo-retouching hobby and the next she was gone.
I don’t know what to say CPRM that hasn’t been said above. I hope your pain will pass.
Sorry to keep ranting. But I might as well. I don’t think I’ve ever expressed these thoughts outside my own head before, so it’s probably good to get them out.
After that first night, it was actually a very nice few months. My dad always wanted some his ashes to be spread in Montana. So we bough an RV and took a road trip as a family to spread some of his ashes. When I was younger we had gone on such trips and it was really nice to do so with my nieces and nephews. It seemed like this would be the new thing, the family together taking the road trips we couldn’t while my dad was crippled.
Then we came home. My mom and I did a lot of stuff to finish taking care of the legalities of my dads death. Through these years she was also some one I had come to rely on. Together we took care of my dad. I always cooked dinner. Then I hurt my knee and got stuck at home. While I was at home I continued to help take care of my nephew while his mom worked (I had done the same taking care of him and my dad together). I stopped being able to cook dinner for my mom because of the knee injury. Then the knee got better and I started again cooking. My mom told me the widower of her friend was going to come over for dinner, then I hurt my other knee and ironically became wheelchair bound. By the time I recovered from the second knee injury, my mom (who had instilled in me this Catholic ethos of no sex outside of marriage) Is using our family RV bought to remember my dad to go on trips with this other guy. Beer.
I…wha….hmmm. Yeah, that would need to be let out of my head, too, were I to experience that.
You know, I’m very tempted to point out that, lo and behold, you’re the “adult” in that.
YOU…
Also, since you mentioned them–are your knees doing OK now?
/adulting sucks
I still have to wrap my knees every day so they don’t give out. I can’t kneel or use steps properly yet, but finally I don’t have a big problem with curbs anymore.
Well, Yay for improvements. I hope that continues.
Sorry you had to go through all that. I can’t imagine what a mess I’ll be when that time comes in my life. I’ve been pretty lazy about my prayers, but I’ll do my best to pray for you, your old man, and your family. Like others said, I don’t think your father would want you to be so hard on yourself. The best you can do is remember him for what sounds like the awesome man he was and look forward to the day you’ll be together again.
God bless you and your family and know you at least got us deplorables here.
Cheers and sorry if my attempt at a pep-talk was weak sauce, I gotta work on that.
Praying ‘for things’ is a peeve of mine. Prayer should be in praise, not for wishes granted. *shakes fist at established religion*
My bad, didn’t intend to give that vibe.
Oh, I know you’re acolyte number one in The Catholic Reform: Back to the Roots Tour 2019. BREAD IN CAVES BITCHES!
Little Chi Rho and Ichthys symbols for everyone?
Sure. I’ll take a couple of fish.
As long as we put an end to that stupid fish bumper sticker, I don’t care what the symbol is.
Quoi?
+1 Elaine Benes
Loaves and fishes always sounded awesome to me as a kid.
@Sir Digby, that symbol was an effective way to show one was christian 2,000 yrs ago, now it’s just a a way to say you’re smug.
No, I know what Ichthys is/was, just not your reference.
Not sure who you have living around you, but down here, the smug ones are far less likely to have an ichthys symbol. Of course, some do. I mean, I live in N. Texas….
Thanks for this article, Naptown!
Speaking as someone who makes a large part of her living currently by managing social media for businesses and individuals, you make some excellent points.
No idea what the Rockets are thinking westbrick is not a winning player.
Good morning glibs. Now to read the article
I look forward to Westbrook and Harden shoving each other out of the way to get the ball.
Good morning, Pie.
Sorry, dude, but, what you’re feeling is probably just high cholesterol.
Hey, remember this asshole? The taxpayers of Mesa now get to pay this murdering sack of shit $2500 a month for the rest of his life as the murder of an unarmed man caught him a case of the PTSDs.
I’m sure this guy thinks we live in the best timeline…
Ho Lee Fuk…
Never call the cops.
That POS should be in prison.
So it is 8 AM and I am working from home… Had my coffee earlier, time time crack open a morning beer.
Today is my last day before holiday… And I finished what I was working on. Something tells me I wont get much work done today as I do not feel like starting a new topic just before I leave for a week.
Sounds like a plan to me. I’m pretty envious of the Scotch-drinking trip.
And, here I am, thinking I’m easily amused.
Who the f**k is Ashlyn Harris? Not someone who had any actual minutes.
Sounds like a porn star name, to me. Maybe there’s a kickball connection there.
Eurofagballclitflickers, if I remember my SugarFree. So you’re right on both counts.
You gays just hate womyn. She’s a national hero for kicking a ball on a big grass field while getting paid less than a man who does the same thing.
Oh yeah? Well you talk like a fag.
I bet his shit is all messed up as well.
Dammit. You win – this time.
We’ve worked out that whole retarded thing. After a while her breath don’t smell like shit.
And his shit’s retarded.
I love the both of you.
🙁
Don’t worry, you aren’t forgotten. You are loved too.
Heh…YESSSSSS!
Reposting (since I can’t reply, apparently):
I’ll just let that hang there for a while…
?
Does it hang high or does it wobble to the floor?
“No comment”.
I guess I have to prop up the tribe late nights.
“Tribe”…yes.
amirite?
Probably. I don’t watch soccer much less women’s soccer.
Never stop someone cutting their own throat.
You’re probably asleep but great article NB. I never used Twitter and my FB use is down dramatically. Other than keeping in touch with friends and family, it’s a cesspool.
I’ll just let that hang there for a while…
😉
You Texans and your double posts.
Kinda like Texas Toast bread…but, in comment form.
How a Democrat loses NY.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/10/booker-new-jersey-giants/
And New Jersey…
Um… I’ve been calling our older Euroball team the New Jersey Red Bulls for years. They play in Jersey. They openly proclaim that they are Jersey to the max. They can have Jersey.
I don’t see anything wrong with the Giants doing the same.
If American sports functioned properly, there’d be like a dozen football teams in the NYC area each representin’.
You’re sophisticated. New York Giant fans aren’t.
Santa Clara 49ers
Exactly.
You guys should go to Dallas and talk about the Arlington Cowboys. Let us know how it goes.
I truly would like to thank the glibs for letting me vent and listening to my rantings on this difficult night. I try to mostly bring entertainment, but it is truly astonishing how much support we have here even for these random meltdowns. Good night you sweet princes.
Good night, dude and take care!
Oh, taking off, are ya? Well, you can just….have a good night!
I’m more like an Empress, really.
Yes my liege.
You may stay.
*Bows down and backs out of the toom*
Cheers to CPRM!
I’m at Vidcon for the next couple of days. One of the vendor booths is “Poppy.” I’m curious to see if our spirit guide is here.
JE SUIS POPPY
“Ich bin ein Poppy!”
Kennedyesq “I am a poppyseed muffin!”?
For work, or, is it a fun thing.
Even looking at Wiki, I’m not sure I “get it”…just a YT meet and greet?
It’s some of both. They have 3 tracks. Community track is probably what you read about. My 13 year old is going to that along with about a million other teenagers. My new media guy is doing the Creator track, and I’m attending the Industry track.
For the kids it’s about their favorite YT stars or shows. For me it’s about producing video and search results.
Oh, awesome. I don’t think I knew you did that in ant capacity
It’s a big part of marketing my practice.
Did not know that. Coolness.
any*
In local news…
https://www.wfmz.com/news/berks/pregnant-woman-child-killed-after-car-swept-away-by-flood-waters/1094492204
That’s horrible.
Excellent article.