I have a dilemma. I would love the information theoretically available from a medical and genealogy DNA test, however I am unwilling to voluntarily give up the genetic material to have it done.*
But, does that really matter?
Probably not.
All it takes is a sibling, a parent, an aunt, a cousin to have given up their own, and I am now effectively in the database anyway.
In spite of my reluctance to give up my own DNA for a database, genetic genealogy absolutely fascinates me. Indeed, I am a member of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy. As someone who has helped adoptees find birth parents, I love the possibilities of the tool. It’s exhilarating to track down and solve family history mysteries and to help people find information they have long sought.
However, I have some very large privacy concerns.
In spite of the existence of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (2008), if you read the Terms of Service on the various websites, it quickly becomes clear that the services will be doing pretty much whatever they want to do with your most intimate, fundamental information. It would become difficult to track any alleged discrimination back to the test.
Typical statements, these examples from 23andme, which was founded with medical genealogical research as a primary mission:
Genetic Information you share with others could be used against your interests. You should be careful about sharing your Genetic Information with others.
In a following section, however, it goes on to explicitly state:
Further, you acknowledge and agree that 23andMe is free to preserve and disclose any and all Personal Information to law enforcement agencies or others if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process (such as a judicial proceeding, court order, or government inquiry) or obligations that 23andMe may owe pursuant to ethical and other professional rules, laws, and regulations; (b) enforce the 23andMe TOS; (c) respond to claims that any content violates the rights of third parties; or (d) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of 23andMe, its employees, its users, its clients, and the public. In such event we will notify you through the contact information you have provided to us in advance, unless doing so would violate the law or a court order.
Of course, everyone here expects that various government agencies have access, or could at any time in the future obtain access, to your information in “private” DNA databases.
I’m sure most of you are aware that law enforcement agencies are already routinely using public genealogy databases to find matches to DNA collected in criminal cases. One of the most prominent examples was the Golden State Killer case.
Within five minutes of reviewing the results, the investigators had located a close relative among the million or so profiles in the database.
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Within three years, the DNA of nearly every American of Northern European descent — the primary users of the site — will be identifiable through cousins in GEDmatch’s database according to a study published on Thursday in the journal Science.
This is huge for adoptees seeking birth families, as well as actual kidnapped persons, as in this fascinating and informative case. Of course, I am of two minds about being able to track down birth parents. People who gave up a child while being promised privacy and, perhaps, anonymity have a reasonable expectation that this will persist.
However, I also believe that people have a right to know who they are and from whence they came, and the genetic medical tendencies and/or conditions they may have inherited. There are many cases where having this information has potentially saved lives, in birth families and for adoptees.
How do we balance these competing needs? I don’t know.
What I do know is that the genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back in, so I fervently hope society figures out how to manage this. I remain skeptical.
To learn more about this topic, I highly recommend accessing the free resources on the wiki of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy.
* There are various methods available to try to accomplish this anonymously, one of which is simply to buy the kit commercially in a location remote from one’s home with cash and then follow the other suggestions to access the results. So far, it is more trouble than it is worth to me, since there are very few family history questions I haven’t answered in taking my own family lines back 200+ years, and in some cases, far more.
But how can you find out if you are part of the Phoenician master race otherwise?
You mean the guys who lost to the jews, the greeks, and the romans?
They knew how to handle their enemies and make money and fuck bitches.
I’m from barbarian stock. We killed you weak ‘civilized’ folk, took your money and land.
And that helps you know when you pain little models of warriors?
But they kept coming back, rising from the ashes.
Quick, harvest the feathers!
What’s the point of taking the test when you know the results will come back saying “Tulpa?”
I didn’t study enough for the DNA test, results were different than I expected.
Mr. Lizard advised me not to take these tests cause being skin suited, I might set off alarms….
There seems to have been a shift in the adopted/locate the birth parents idea over the many years. I was always in opposition but it appears that is a minority view. Now I’ve taken a different perspective and let individuals do their individual thing.
Yep. I am in no way qualified to tell someone else what’s best for them.
I have an almost perfect technique for not getting caught committing crimes.
*wink*
Also, I am up to my eyeballs in genealogy myself.
eeewwww
I’m a casual genealogy guy, my family are fairly newcomers and can’t go back very far.
Ah, the old “what’s the problem with the government violating your privacy if you haven’t done anything wrong” gambit. 😉
Heh. My secret is…I don’t commit crimes, but yeah, I get your drift. Additionally Mrs. Suthenboy and I spend all day every day together and have for at least ten years so I always have an alibi.
“They’re in it together, of course they vouch for each other”
/DA
Don’t commit crimes? Sir, you just haven’t Garner’s the attention of the wrong cop or prosecutor yet.
The old “Couldn’t get in trouble with a fifth of whisky” alibi
If by don’t commit crimes, you mean put the body in a rubbermaid container with a shitload of lye, encase it in cement, and drop it in the swamp, then yes, I avoid getting caught by not not committing crimes.
The old hole-in-the-desert thing has worked fine for me, err, I mean this guy I know, I mean heard about, so far.
“My secret is…I don’t commit crimes”
Ahh but I bet you do commit crimes you just don’t realize you are committing them
+3 felonies a day
Three felonies a day Suthen. I bet you commit more crimes than you think.
HIKERS UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS WITH STEVE SMITH
One crime at a time?
My wife heads a medical device insurance practice, and underwrote liability policies for a couple of the big name companies in the space, deciding in the end decline coverage.
The big thing was that they absolutely could not guarantee privacy. Moreover, when asked whether they were selling personal info, they all got evasive and wouldn’t give straight answers.
So yes, we are screwed. We leave hair and skin cells everywhere we go. This DNA can easily be traced to us by the government if we have relatives who don’t care about genetic privacy.
It’s one thread in the tapestry of reasons why I avoid political rallies or activism.
“The big thing was that they absolutely could not guarantee privacy. Moreover, when asked whether they were selling personal info, they all got evasive and wouldn’t give straight answers.”
Shocked, shocked, I am!
Thing is, as a Romanian I do not have the same question as New Worlders, I know pretty much where I come from. Here.
In one of the guest houses I stayed on Islay I met at breakfast a Canadian couple in their 50s. They were there for the woman to find “her people” she did some genealogy thing – not genetic, that does not give you names, the classic one – and was looking for where families she was apparently descended from lived. I sounds like a silly endeavor for me. I mean I know I am Romanian I do not know from which families, which areas, nor do I care. I have some Bulgarian ancestors I know nothing about. I don’t see how someone who was more than 3 generations in America Lite can have “people” in Scotland or why does it matter where your ancestors lived 5 generations back.
For the genetic tests thing I found the health stuff much more interesting than the ancestry.
I’ve never much cared either. I can name a couple cities in northern Europe where I had ancestors and that’s enough for me.
Don’t care about the health stuff, either. What happens, happens.
It was my grandparents who emigrated from Germany, so for me I actually have a whole bunch of relatives living there.
As of a year or two ago Dad still had two living first cousins (haven’t heard anything about either of them dying), and I’d have a whole bunch of second cousins.
Interesting point. I think all my grandparents were born here but their parents were not. No idea how many distant cousins I might have in England or Germany. None of this is helped that I know almost nothing about my father’s side due to a bitter divorce when I was little.
There’s still some relatives with my last name in Switzerland, some professors and the like. There was a tale told to us by my father that there was a distillery owned and operated with the family last name in Switzerland, but I’ve never been able to find anything about it online.
Send me your full name, date of birth, bank account info, and Social Security number, and I’ll probably be able to find it for you.
I have some Bulgarian ancestors I know nothing about.
He’s impure!
” Who your daddy was doesn’t mean shit. The only thing that counts is what YOU do.”
-My Grandfather
My interest in genealogy is primary because of land ownership. Much of our land is inherited.
The main issue is they were not on Islay for the scotch with ancestry as an excuse. They did not really visot distileries. Sacrilege
Well, for me it dovetails a bit with my love for history. I’m genuinely fascinated by trying to piece together what the lives of my ancestors were, imagining how they might have lived.
For what it’s worth I am more than willing to give each and every one of you a sample of my DNA.
No thanks.
Just so you know I drink a lot of pineapple juice.
And eat asparagus?
All that being said, my maternal haplogroup is H5a2 and my paternal haplogroup is I-Z58 and I have 285 neanderthal variations.
I am 89.5% Southern European, Mostly romanian with greek and bulgarian and italian, 5% Polish and 5% western European
What a furry mix.
Yes, in my case, it would just be confirmation of what the research and documentation already has established. I believe one of my first cousins has already done the test, and perhaps my paternal aunt has, as well.
I bet i have more neanderthal than you. Also more Romanian.
I would imagine so.
But we might be cousins not too far back. My Romanian great-grandfather had 12 siblings, most of whom stayed in Romania.
The one thing the genetic review might point to is “illegitimate” relatives (and their spawn).
Bro Dean has done a fair amount of genealogy research. Unfortunately, on Pater Dean’s side we have a sizable gap because a church in northern NM burned down and took a chunk of birth and marriage records with it.
Tundra, saw your comment on the dead thread. Thanks
Already communicated with mikey. I’ll check in with you over the weekend and we can get something put together.
I got a 23andMe kit many years ago back when they reported all kinds of medical results. There were no surprises. Later my mother expressed an interest and I got her a kit. It turns out she’s really my mother!
My branch of my family is thinly populated so my closest DNA relative, other than Mom, is three or four generations back. Even so I’ve been contacted by adoptees seeking their bio-parents. Of the two I’ve been able to help the closest ancestor was five generations back. It was pure luck we were able to figure it out each time.
So, you didn’t turn out to be their Dad. Noted.
OK, “pure luck” = “a bit of creative fiction”. I’m not going to be on the hook for retroactive child support if I can help it.
Now THAT’S how you Glib!
Avatar picture checks out.
That was a long time ago and I deny everything anyway.
Blame Henry VII, the vilest of history’s greatest liars. Worked for Richard Curtis and Rowan Atkinson.
Good to see you Richard, I thought you’d been caught.
Anyone that freely gives up their DNA is going to snitch their kin. Don’t be a snitch.
Cause…..
My mom took one of those tests. I think they’re pretty interesting, but I’d love to actually dive through any records the Old World has of us.
you lot were kicked out for a reason
Because those who stayed behind were jealous.
We were just a bunch of sailors and farmers afaik.
Some of our ancestors fled.
Relocating due to a minor loss of operational capital due to issues with the tuber harvest isn’t “Fleeing”.
Hmm, this got me to thinking about how my ancestors got here.
Scots: Kicked out/fled following the failed 1745 Jacobite uprising, in which they were major participants
Irish: Potato famine
German: No clue why they left, but I know they came through Ellis Island
Scots: Economic
Italian: Economic
German: Economic
The girlfriend is very interested in this (and has taken the test), as both of her parents were adopted. She bought one of the kits for my sister a couple years back. My sister has yet to use the kit, as we know our ancestry back to at a couple of generations before immigrating to the US on one side, and back to at least immigration on the other side. My sister also found out she had a copy of a booklet my grandfather wrote about his dad and grandfather (it was stashed in the back of a folded flag frame), which included pictures of my great-grandfather in front of a bar that he was a part owner of.
For the record: Scotch-Irish, Slovakian (German speaking area), Swiss (German speaking area), with a couple of other German threads thrown in.
strange that you don’t like beer with that ancestry
I blame/thank that ancestry for my near immunity to hangovers.
One of mine is now Poland (former German-speaking area). Those Germans did get around.
%70 English, %15 Swiss & %5 Swedish
What’s the other 10%?
His handle.
Meth.
Broadly northwestern European. Supposedly as more people get the test that 10 percent should get assigned.
As yes, meth.
Genealogy works if everyone really did get pregnant by who they claim.
So, never.
*looks in mirror*
*looks at family*
*looks at pictures of ancestors*
Nope, it works for me.
Spurglerly is REAL!
I remember reading about some little town in England where they couldn’t find a single child that was the child of both people they called mom or dad.
That is a lot more common than most realize.
Just ask Rep. King.
Genetic Information you share with others could be used against your interests.
IOW wrap it before you tap it.
The genealogy is what it is. The health thing can put things into your head. And who kbows how accurate
It can also clue you in to what you should be concerned about health wise.
Sunlight.
Zing!
I don’t want the services that are offered now. I just want my full DNA mapped and given to me on a thumb drive, so that if somewhere down the road I wanted to look something up and/or hand it to a doctor, I could.
I probably would just let it sit in a drawer, but I would have it.
You already have it in a much more compact form.
Yeah, but I can’t open it in vi.
That’s why emacs is superior. I’m sure there’s a plugin.
emacs is an operating system that happens to have an editor in it.
Butterflies.
$ vi robcdna
“Line too long”
Now look what you’ve done.
grep -i glib: /etc/group | cut -d: -f4 | sed -e ‘s/,/\n/g’ > glibuid
while read glibid ; do
grep glibid /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f5 > glibname
done < glibuid
rm glibuid
cat glibname
I’m 100% hillbilly. Our DNA is a mix of clay, lust, pine cones, hate/fear, and bacon grease in a solution of alcohol and laziness.
First hand knowledge comes from great-great-grandmother who was born in 1876. The rest is family bibles. Before 1720, it gets fuzzy and involves lots of redheads on islands being chased around by even taller blonds.
Everyone I’m related to is buried in the same place, both sides; my spot is there as well, waiting. Unfortunately, there is no mystery in my heritage.
Some slower and less steady types on my mom’s side were thinned out by the McKays a century ago. Fuck them. * checks pistol, reholsters *
any aftereffects from the inbreeding?
freakishly good marksmanship, so stay on your own hill, sir
Natural side effect of having a one eye larger than the other, a hump back for a better cheek weld, a webbed hand for better barrel support, and a club foot to use as a barrel rest.
yeah: don’t get invited to many orgies
* sniff *
1) Sorry, I known to many ass-ugly, droopy-eyed, hair-lipped rednecks to know that those kinds of things don’t prevent a little good-natured cousin-wrastlin.
2) On the upside, they wrote some awesome stories about you
Before my Mom had got too far in her research, I used to joke that I was the result of 7 generations of inbreeding in South-Central KY.
Now, its not a joke.
You mean the flippers weren’t a giveaway?
If it wasn’t for incest, none of us would be here.
Incest is the best
put your sister to the test /ancient lymeric
The thing that spooks me about these tests is that I’ve heard they outsource most of the actual testing to China. To me, that means even if the companies really were scrupulous about your privacy, you can count on that information falling into the hands of the Chinese government.
You mean the country where a human-monkey chimera was just developed?
Hey, somebody has to fight the scourge that is STEVE SMITH! If the US is gonna fall down on the job, then leave it to the wicked witch of the east and her
flyingmutant monkeys.I thought that was Japan. They all look alike, so its hard to be sure.
OT: regarding the dam in Washington, they seem to be presenting a false dilemma, why not consider building a fish ladder?
Secondly, removing dams is typically more expensive than just leaving them there.
Third, for navigation projects the shippers actually do pay into a fund that goes towards maintenance.
Firth, the dams likely provide other benefits, like reduction in flooding,or hydro electric.
The people bitching about that don’t give a shit about whales or salmon. That is not what it is about at all.
Ayup.
OMG such ableism smdh
You see, the goal isn’t to solve the problem.
The goal is to punish the people who benefit from the dams.
Fish ladders and other mitigation techniques are largely ineffective.
Depends on the given values of effective and largely I guess. I’m not saying they’re curealls, but some work. Not the same as having no dam at all, but they can be effective when properly designed.
“When a fish thinks of traveling vertically upwards, a ladder is just the last thing they would think of!”
I did it because, as you say, if family already has I am screwed anyway.
It has actually been interesting how my geographic distribution has changed as more people are added to the database. The last update narrowed in to precisely where my family emigrated from in Scotland.
I am becoming more interested in the history as I’m getting older. My kid is planning to do a semester in Scotland this year (actually near the town my great-grandfather was born) so I may do some digging when I go visit.
just focus on the whisky and don’t waste your time
Believe me, I can do both.
And I’m definitely going back here.
Getting a little something for the ol’ reliquary?
“No no it’s ok officer, I’m family.”
Don’t worry, the cops aren’t armed, and he’ll have a shovel.
My paternal grandmother badgered and bullied her husband into doing an ‘exhaustive’ genealogy of his family in the US. It’s become a bit of a standard reference for the family. She lost interest when he turned up scoundrels as well as upstanding citizens.
I used what little he had, from a hired researcher, on our British forebears to help plan my first trip to England and Wales. We apparently showed up with William the Conqueror, and stayed busy at a middle tier of the power structures. There’s a shield with the family arms at Westminster. We weren’t very nice to the Welsh (whom I found to be lovely people). Beaumaris is lovely regardless.
One great…great-uncle was involved in the translation work for the. King James Bible. The branch from him led to a street and hill with the family name in Salem. Also, the artifact of which I’m proudest in our US history, the petition drive protesting the witch trials. We survived, the accused not so much.
My maternal great grandparents left Germany for love — Kaiser’s guard & lady in waiting, forbidden love, fuck this shit we’re going to America. I’d love to know more about that side of the family, but it would take serious work, and probably be largely futile. Grandma was 1 of 13 or so girls, no sons, so things got mixed up really quickly.
I like history, and genealogy scratches parts of that itch. And vice versa 😉
That’s good stuff!
I have quite a lot of information about my paternal side going back basically to the Norman invasion. I’d like to learn more about individuals.
Thanks!
Yeah, I’d like to know more about some of the notable individuals. I’d also very much like to know about the pre-conquest family in Normandy. One of the extended family is (was?) doing more research. Before we fell out of touch, she shared that she had found evidence of the re-conquest family, but I’ve heard nothing since.
The family is, and apparently has been since Salem days, very focused on America and seems largely disinterested in the British branches of the family. Never met any, but did see the family name on several businesses and, of course a couple of villages.
The pump jockey in , CA, was astonished to see on the credit card. Apparently we’re not around there any more. Lucky us 😉
Sigh. *pre- not re-
And there’s supposed to be ‘bracket familyName bracket’ before “ ,CA” and between “see” and “on”.
The older I get, the better “live fast, die young, leave a used up husk” sounds.
She lost interest when he turned up scoundrels as well as upstanding citizens.
That seems backwards. Upstanding citizens are boring, scoundrels are interesting.
My mother is obsessed with this. She spends an inordinate amount of time on the phone with the companies and tracking down cousins. It can be embarrassing. I remember one day she asked a nurse with a foreign accent where she was from and the nurse replied Ethiopia. My Russian Jew descend mother excitedly proclaimed “Us too!!!” When the nurse awkwardly stared at her, my mom explained that “we have ancestors from Ethiopia 20,000 years ago!”. So apparently I might be in line for reparations now. The nurse was great but I cringed imagining how the nurse might have replied if she been aboard the liberal prog train. My mother is very innocent in some ways and tends to live in her own world.
No scandals close to home, but one of my great uncles apparently had an affair child 50 years ago that no one knew about. She reached out to my mother, thinking they might be half-sisters.
I’m hesitant to take the test and have my DNA out there, but I don’t think it even matters now since my mom has done it.
“My Russian Jew descend mother excitedly proclaimed “Us too!!!” ”
Nurse should have replied “So YOU’RE the ones who bought and sold us into slavery!”
What bothers me is how many of these services count on the ignorance of the general public of what the ancestry test really is. There is no such thing as “Scottish DNA”. What these companies are doing is comparing a fraction of your genome to the sample of other customers in their database and according to their in-house statistical model spit out a likely origin of certain genetic variations based on best guess modeling of from which populations those variations arose at a certain point of time in the past – all at a confidence level of 50 to 60%.
Now combined with other genealogical research, these ancestry tests can be a useful tool for data triangulation, as long as one understands there is a lot of “noise” in your DNA.
It’s worth nothing that for 2 percent of my DNA, the 23andme algorithm just threw up its hands and tapped out, saying that it couldn’t make heads or tails of that shit.
Those radium injections didn’t give you superpowers?
No, just testicular cancer.
Sasquatch, obviously.
Genghis Khan has nothing on STEVE SMITH.
“algorithm just threw up its hands and tapped out, saying that it couldn’t make heads or tails of that shit.”
Dreiundzwanzig says: Untermensch
I have 1% unknown as well. But if I am lucky the 5% Polish is also good honest Romanian
And less than 1% Asian which means my ancestor womenfolk knew how to run from the Tatars
However, “Finnish DNA” is a real thing.
Yes and no. If, by [x] DNA one means that that DNA is unique to a certain nationality, then no. No group of humans rose autochthonic from the land in which they now dwell. As per the research article, Finnish populations display genetic variation from their geographic neighbors because they share more autosomal markers with tested Asian populations. The DNA that makes Finns unique within Europe is just as much Samoyedic as it is Finnish.
Family names are all English, Irish and German so I have a fair idea but as mentioned above a lot of hanky panky goes on behind closed doors so who knows? In the community where my family originates there was a doctor that was famous for making house calls. Everyone jokes that every family up there had one kid that looked just like the doctor.
I mentioned that and several other scandals to my grandmother and she replied “Well, back then there wasn’t anything else to do”
Now combined with other genealogical research, these ancestry tests can be a useful tool for data triangulation, as long as one understands there is a lot of “noise” in your DNA.
Yes, my estimate includes fucking Sweden, ffs.
You have Scots in your ancestry.
The Swedes did go a few rounds of SMITHing the Scots.
And the English, and the Irish, which is the best guess I can come up with for the 1% Norwegian I got with AncestryDNA
…and had their own transportation…
If you have a few mins this is a good way to spend them. You can see from this snapshot (geographically) that there were a lot of waves, evacuations, re-population across Northern Europe. Climate changed a lot, repeatedly, and people moved in, out, drove others out, killed others off etc.
It is also pretty clear that the warmistas are completely full of shit.
The peoples living there today don’t necessarily come from there if you look back past a few thousand years, so if. you ask me where I am from I will just tell you ‘Louisiana’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5-ynRPfss
Cool!
Thanks, I’ll take a look.
You’re from Minnesoda. You get the Swedish virus whether you want it or not.
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It’s harder to get cold pills than an AR-15.
Something needs to change.
I don’t recall having to fill out a federal and state form, pass a background check and pay a $70 transfer fee the last time I bought cold medicine.
Get rid of the law that puts the pseudoephedrine behind the counter. It hasn’t done a damn thing to stop meth production.
But apparently, the only way to show you care about the children is to keep doing things already proven not to work.
Gun grabbers lie. Gun grabbing attention whores are even worse.
you forget the gun show loophole.
Damn I read to much americanese shit on the web
I have yet to have someone explain to me what that loophole is.
Gun Grabbers don’t understand how anything works. That’s the loophole.
It’s more of a “loophole”. You see, they have a problem with the sale of firearms being legal.
The same one private sellers get in most states – no FFL forms.
I sold an S&W .40 to a guy about 25 years ago. Haven’t seen him on the news, and at this point, I don’t think it’s likely.
Loophole – Following the law to do something we don’t like.
/Progs.
I thought it was kind of exotic that my dad’s cousins kept marrying Vepsian women. Until I got my DNA results that showed that I was almost a quarter Finn instead of 100% Eastern European as I expected. It means that my grandma (dad’s mom) was a Veps herself but since her family didn’t speak Vepsian they considered themselves Russian.
I have mentioned it before, but based on geneology work done by my mother, I can claim (for now, the record isn’t complete) to not be the descendant of immigrants to the USA. Colonists, sure, but not immigrants.
And also, based on my Mother giving me one of these tests and actually doing it, the ancestor we thought might have been American Indian may instead have been the result of an ancestor taking a detour to the slave quarters.
My maternal grandfather’s ancestry can supposedly be traced back to Dutch settlement of New Netherlands, so some of my ancestors weren’t immigrants to the US either.
Not some. ALL.
As far as I can tell, I have NO immigrant ancestors.
Which I like to point out when someone says we are all descendants of immigrants.
I’m a little confused. So you’re saying that you’re descended from slaves and native Americans alone?
No, his ancestors colonized before the rebellion created the US.
Thus they didn’t immigrate, they colonized.
Gotcha. Seems like a distinction without a difference, don’t you immigrate to a colony as well?
immigrants don’t get to kill as many redmen
They went from a part of the United Kingdom to another part of the United Kingdom.
Although, some may have immigrated from Germany to the United Kingdom. But, then again, Hanover was still under the same King at the time, right? Didn’t that split with Victoria? So, depending on what part of Germany….
A colonist or settler is, by definition, a migrant, whether they im-ed or em-ed is a subject for debate.
No. They were there before the Clovis invasion (or whatever theory you believe)
The current evidence seems to indicate multiple waves of settlement from both sides of the continent, rather than a single populating event from one direction.
There is an island off of the coast in Central America populated almost entirely by a tribe of Japanese that landed there several thousand years ago. I am too lazy to look them up.
Ted S., mine too. One was first white man to own land in Brooklyn; I’ve seen the deed signed by Peter Stuyvestant. We probably share a common ancestor somewhere as all those first couple generations of Dutchmen had a dozen or so children.
But do you have high cheekbones?
I heard that we had natives Americans in our family. Just look at the cheek bones. The computer says “no”.
Family story was that when one of my aunts was getting married to an Indian (from India), my grandfather said it was good that we were finally getting some native blood in the family.
It had to be explained that was the wrong type of Indian in this case.
*cringe*
In fairness, grandpa died over 30 years ago, and this marriage would have been 45-50 years ago. The past is a different country, and during my life, my uncle and grandpa got along just fine.
“may instead have been the result of an ancestor taking a detour to the slave quarters.”
You’re just trying to get out of paying reparations.
I’m also descended from pre-rebellion folk. And Kentucky settlers.
Three of four grandparents were from recent (post-Civil War is my meaning) immigrants. The fourth, my grandmother, all of the family lines of hers I can trace back to their arrival in North America date back to the 1600s.
As far as we can tell, the German and Polish ancestry I have were either the most fastidious record keepers of their long line of Catholic baptisms, or they were smuggled out by The Church before Hitler and Stalin had a chance to liquidate them. We have evidence of them getting baptized in churches that still exist in towns that have changed nationality a half dozen times since the start of WWII.
As far as we can tell, the Italian and Sicilian ancestry I have were were either the worst record keepers of their long line of Catholic baptisms, or they were part of the Black Hand et al and wanted to / had to get out. We have evidence of them being baptized in churches that never existed in towns that never existed, and regular name changes while going through immigration.
So basically, pick your ethnic stereotype.
Yes, I’m a genealogy geek. No, you can’t have my DNA.
I have most of it already anyway.
Who gave the chimp a keyboard?
“Of course, I am of two minds about being able to track down birth parents. People who gave up a child while being promised privacy and, perhaps, anonymity have a reasonable expectation that this will persist. ”
I couldn’t disagree more with the trend of tracking down bio-parents from closed adoptions (open adoptions are a completely different matter because all parties consented beforehand). I think it’s hugely destructive to everyone involved; it furthers and amplifies whatever identity crisis the adoptee is going through, it reinforces whatever guilt or shame the bio-parents might still feel from giving the kid up and it relegates adoptive parents to the status of a fancy B&B.
I think it’s complete horseshit to treat the people that raised and loved the child as secondary to the “real” parents to try and resolve whatever issue the child is going through. That the bio-parents are somehow more legitimate because a man ejaculated in a woman’s vagina, whatever the specific circumstances, is BS. I get kind of worked up over this due to some problems like this with my cousins who went through this and it no matter what pain they were in before going on their Quixotic mission came out the other end more miserable, the (real) adoptive parents (my aunt and uncle) were despondent and feeling like they’d been cast aside, and the bio-parents were (still) complete wastes of life with tons of completely fucked up half-siblings to my cousins. It was a shitshow.
Again, open adoption is a totally different ball of wax. Closed adoption, however… the people who happened to fuck each other one day and made the person are not parents; they’re gamete donors and should have no stake whatsoever in the kid’s life.
I think there is a joke in there for you Q
I think it’s complete horseshit to treat the people that raised and loved the child as secondary to the “real” parents to try and resolve whatever issue the child is going through.
I imagine the increasing potential for this kind of scenario turns off many people who might have considered adoption.
To be honest, between abortion on demand, DNA bio-parent hunting and SJW interracial adoption shaming, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a functional end to adoption in the medium future. We’ll still have foster parenting so people can grift money from Big Daddy, but I predict a return of orphanages of old.
Celebrities and domestically-minded gay men aren’t going anywhere.
I’ve seen this up close as well and agree 100%.
I’m definitely sympathetic to this point of view. Kind of seems like spitting on all that the adoptive parents did.
I have a friend who undertook the effort to find his “real” parents. They got as far as identifying the dumpster in Korea from which they were found and gave up there. It did not improve their outlook on life.
At scouting functions, where I am in charge, I have been very, very clear that the person that brought your friend to the meeting, that feeds and clothes your friend, and that spends every day bringing them up is your friends *real* parent. It just may not be your friend’s biological parent. We have adoptive, step, and biological real parents that are great, and I don’t permit them to be denigrated. Being a real parent is like being a real man or a real lady.
Damn straight.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
It’s not always hugely destructive and not all parties always consent. One of the adoptees I helped found her bio-father who had no idea she existed. True, initially he was upset and thought the whole thing was a money grab but his other children eventually calmed him down. The adoptee sent me a picture of her, her bio-father, and half-siblings all looking happy. She, of course, was delighted.
Now this was older woman with an adult child of her own so real vs. bio parental issues were perhaps too distant to be relevant.
Always missing from these discussions is how the adoptive parents feel.
“Oh look, I found my *REAL* family and we’re so gosh-darn happy now! BTW: thanks “Mom” and “Dad” for, y’know, feeding me, clothing me, listening to my problems, taking me to school, giving me medicine and comforting me when I was sick and loving me even when I was a pain in the ass; but I don’t really need you anymore.”
Fuck that noise and damn it to Hell.
Wasn’t aware of the “open” vs “closed” terms but yes that sounds exactly right. If I was adopted I would shrug my shoulders and move on. Not really sure what compels adoptees to go the other route, TBH.
I’ve asked the girlfriend (who isn’t adopted) and she just says, “Don’t you want to know where your from?” I don’t get it either, maybe it’s because I know I’m just a standard American mutt from Cleveland.
Would I want to know what flavor of semen was shot into what flavor of receptacle? Not particularly.
I have a friend with 2 adopted boys, now in their 50s. One is short, the other tall. I knew they were adopted and the first time I met the taller one I told him he looked just like his Dad. He didn’t know that I knew he was adopted but any way a big grin across his face. 2 nice boys with very nice adopted parents.
I once met a Korean guy who had been adopted by white American parents who raised him and two other Korean adoptees and never afaik treated them different than their own kids.
Anyways this guy decided at some point he was KOREAN and basically disowned his adoptive parents, went to Korea to find his birth parents and took their name, etc. it was very sad because his adoptive American parents obviously still loved him but he was just kind of a dick to them.
My bee partner just married a Korean woman, adopted by Americans when she was 10. She said she would cry when the younger kids got adopted, no one would want a 10 year old, until…a farm family from Iowa with several of their own children decided that their kids needed a younger sister. She is considered a full family member, speaks lovingly of her family.
I guess she is really American, teaches English to non-native Americans.
I apparently come from a long line of sailors who liked to go “port to port” – where else can I explain the Dutch, French, Norwegian, and Irish bloodlines?
Seems more likely to be descendant from port inhabitants then the actual sailors
It would have to be descended from both.
true now that I think of it
are you calling my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother a whore?!?!?!
This, sir, will not stand!
No, not at all. Just a slut, a whore gets paid.
Even worse: I’m calling her Irish.
Maybe you and Winston are related.
SEA SMITH GO PORT TO PORT!
I have family members that did the tests, didn’t bother me since I was in the military and they already had my DNA. However, it came back for them that we have no genetic markers for ugly diseases.
On the family tree note, we can go back to John Alden and Pricilla Mullins and my kids, if they so choose to do so, can apply for the Sons of the Mayflower society and any grants/scholarships they have. Thats up to them to do so. Through that line we have connections to the “good” side of John Adams (before he went asshole like with the Sedition Acts).
My Scandinavian side however is muddled since our names were changed when they went through Ellis Island. Theory is that when asked what their names were, they gave provinces/holds and town names. My name is an actual small village name in Norway along with the Americanized name in the States.
I wish I could claim I come from Vikings…but my ancestors were simple farmers on the Fjord. I do tell my Irish descendant wife that we probably raped and pillaged you way before I did once I bagged you though.
Vikings…but my ancestors were simple farmers
they were probably both
The strong houses I saw all over Ireland arre just stupefying: rigid, huge, unblemished, and level after a full millennium.
They definitely knew how to build them and build them for a purpose. I am going to don my culturally insensitive and inaccurate horned helmet and conquer the world now.
I am a carrier for Niemann-Pick Type C.
That is particularly nasty.
This came about before we went thru IVF to get our daughter. My results arrived the day before my wife’s results. That was a weird night. It was unlikely we were both hit with the same rare mutation that is uncommon in our heritage, but it still was a worry.
That would be a worry. I don’t think I could do the procreation thing now. Too much information to worry about on top of the normal to worry about when making a baby.
Fun note though…we made friends with a couple when we moved to Nevada and found out we are distant cousins via the Mayflower. Sometimes the world is just small.
I do hope DNA testing breaks affirmative action and quotas. I mean how black, Indian or Hispanic do you need to be? 100%? That’s nobody. %50? You gonna have a whole lot of people that don’t “look like” how the diversity police would like. We might have to start treating each other like individuals.
If transracialism didn’t destroy it, DNA won’t.
Yeah, facts and science will not deter the racial grievance industry.
+1 One Drop Rule
fake tan is cheap
Nope.
We’re gonna 1-drop this shit.
Stop thinking people are rational and possess empathy.
So what are they going to do when some green eyed honky put “black” down on his application because he is 1% Nigerian?
Reverse 1 drop.
Went to college with Boer who’s parents immigrated shortly before he was born. They were both like surgeons or something that put him in private schools his whole life.
I tried to get him to put African American on his drivers licence but he wasn’t a shitlord so he wouldn’t do it.
The stink of white privilege can’t be washed off.
Other than the green eyes, that is what ancestry is saying about me.
I have green eyes and “trace African”, that is why I picked that example.
Isn’t this what happens in Australia? I’ve seen stories from over there about supposed “aborigines” who are lily-white.
You have to remember that lefties are fundamentally mendacious and intellectually dishonest. I doubt it will make any difference to them.
“intellectually dishonest”
No, you really do have to have an intellect to be intellectually dishonest, They’re just mendacious and ignorant.
When my kids show up with a 1/4 Spanish and get denied…yeah should be interesting.. You are blond hair blue eyed! You can’t be of Spanish/Native Mexican decent!
They’d truly be shocked if they ever visit southern Brazil and see the number of blue eyed blonde haired Brazlians running around.
Those are Nazi-spawn.
That’s what I thought. Came up out of that secret lair below the Amazon and headed straight for Sao Paulo.
3/4 standard Cracker
1/8 German who came over just in time to participate in the war
1/8 Yankee, starting with some of the remnants of the Dorchester Company that ended up breeding with each other on Nantucket Island until moving to central Florida to sell wasteland to other Yankees in about 1900. Being Nantucket, there’s extensive record-keeping, and it gives new meaning to “I’m my own Grandpa”
Myself, 3/4 I don’t own a goat, 1/8 limey, 1/8 Germanic tribes. No, there really is not more to it. 100% shitlord of pale face.
Most would be surprised how much more their family tree looks like a spider web than a tree. As my grandfather said, back then you had half of a days horse ride to find a wife. There just weren’t that many choices. People were scattered and populations thin. That was everywhere in the country not just the areas people make fun of today.
Considering that I have 432 half brothers and sisters, my dad must have owned a lot of horses.
Its true. Its a tree up until about generation 5/6 then it just looks like a Jackson Pollock painting for most people.
My grandfather was fond of pointing out that when he was young, there was no way to get far enough from home in 1 day that you couldn’t walk back in 2. Distance-wise, I think he’s right.
Yep, After his wife died, my Great-great-great Grandfather married the sister of his departed wife. Sort of his own take on sister-wife.
“I have a dilemma. I would love the information theoretically available from a medical and genealogy DNA test”
Don’t bother, I got you covered, whitey. Your ancestors walked out of Africa a few ten thousand years ago, made their way through the middle east and then somewhere in Western Europe and eventually right to the shores of the Racist States of the United Deplorables. /the end
My test came back “Andromedan”. I don’t believe them.
What are you saying? You were just handed the grand prize of the galactical intersectionality victimhood and you turned it down? *snatches document from UnCivil, runs away to safe space*.
That explains a lot.
You were found chained to a rock?
How dare you assume the color of my skin!
OMWC’s van is white, obviously a a symbol of white supremacy, so I just assumed it.
Speaking of jeans…
This latest accusation comes from a female TV show host in the country of Georgia named Tina Kandelaki, who alleges that Katy Perry acted inappropriately with her at an industry party, Consequences of Sound reported.
Kandelaki added that Perry was intoxicated when she began touching the TV personality inappropriately and attempted to steal a kiss. Kandelaki also claims that Perry was persistent and continued to sexually harass her even after being rebuffed. There was no indication of exactly when the alleged incident took place.
Kandelaki says that she was inspired to speak out after male model Josh Kloss spoke publicly about his alleged sexual harassment at the pop star’s hands.
Only a few days ago, Kloss alleged that Perry publicly pulled down his pants at costume designer Johnny Wujek’s birthday party in 2012.
“I just say this now because our culture is set on proving men of power are perverse. But females with power are just as disgusting,” Kloss said on Instagram on Tuesday
The actor and model added that he waited to come forward because of the consequences accusers often face — personally, and professionally. “To admit that someone violated you in such a fucked up way, and you didn’t call the cops at that moment was hard to swallow, and it took a lot of time,” Kloss said.
Dude, gay…
Once one vulture lands the rest of the flock swarms in.
Since I usually assume that women are looking for a payday when the roles are reversed, I assume this dude is looking for a payday.
OFFS. None of this rises to the level of “sexual harassment”. All that this moral panic is doing is drawing attention away from actual sexual harassment.
Gold digger has just suddenly become one of the hottest careers. And you don’t even have to work at it anymore. You just find famous rich person and accuse them of doing ‘something’ that made you feel afraid and unsafe, 40 years ago. Cash check, easy peasy.
How is this not sexual harassment?
Because Perry is attractive?
In the case of Kandelaki, Perry was punching up, imo.
Tina Kandelaki
Can confirm.
This person is attractive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0XrU8wpFyg
Are you proving my point or coming out as an Epstein acolyte?
you have a problem with the 2010 version of that pair?
Maybe HR counts an isolated incident of being drunk-handsy as “sexual harassment”, but I don’t.
All that this moral panic is doing is drawing attention away from actual sexual harassment.
Bug, or feature?
Nice.
A Slavic TV personality is hot?
*is bowled over with a feather*
Are Georgians Slavs? I know Georgian is in its own language family and is not an Indo-European one.
they are not
OT: How many of you share genes with these people: Nearly half of Americans wear same pair of underwear for at least 2 days: study
Oh my God.
*dry heaves*
I never wear underwear more than a day because I haven’t owned a pair of underwear in 35 years.
Now, lay around the house pajamas and tee shirts are a different story.
If you mean I fell asleep wearing a pair of underwear and woke up wearing the same ones, then guilty as charge. Although, most of the time I wake up not being able to find them and don’t find them until the wife takes the comforter and sheets off the bed to change them.
“Nearly half said they’d worn the same underwear at least two days in a row”
This sounds like they mean ever. Like if you have the flu or go on a two day bender or you were ever deployed or if you ever worked an all nighter and stuck around for the next shift.
But journalists are big thinkers and you can trust their analysis. They’d never manipulate a survey to generate a click bait headline that, in reality, represents a normal behavior.
You think it’s normal to wear underwear at least two days in a row?
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I’m on day 5 with these suckers. The piss stains are starting to mix with the skidmarks to make for a gelatinous cushion seat.
Reminds me of a National Lampoon Radio Hour public service message:
“Did you know that if you turn your underwear inside-out you can wear it ANOTHER five days?”
If the skid mark is <2" it's still good.
The one that really kills me is when they stopped people on the street and put a comb through their beard and analyzed it to find all sorts of stuff, including pubic hair. Good grief, damn dirty fucking neckbeard hippies. You don’t even shampoo that when you take a shower before going out in public? I use a special shampoo for beards on mine every day. Wife said it’s softer and doesn’t scratch her, so it’s all good. Damn hippies, shouldn’t be allowed out of their mom’s basement.
You’re a hipster, bro.
seconded.
:rubs grizzled chin::
I’m just a pretty boy, they say. I can’t help it. And I don’t drink hipster beer, so there!
You eschew the only good hipster contribution to society?
That is so hipster.
Bitch you forgettin about artisinal charcuterie?!?
so you’re an ironic hipster – riiiiight.
I just am not feeling the hipster thing.
More like Hipsterion, am I right?
Rogue brewed a beer with yeast collected from a brewer’s beard.
That’s a long way of saying “wife’s yeast colony”.
I haven’t used shampoo in my hair or beard for the last two decades, and I have the most glorious, wavy mane you’ve ever daydreamed about running your fingers through.
“I haven’t used shampoo in my hair… two decades”
And as a bonus, you can grease your tools with it?
With hair like this, its never a problem getting a lady to grease my tool for me.
Also yes.
I shampoo my beard, so hipster. Leap at the Wheel doesn’t even shampoo hair, so not hipster. No wonder everyone thinks libertarians are so weird, because true.
er … you can stay on _that_ side of the room.
I’m 1/4 Italian (grandmother was 1st gen American), 1/4 Jew (grandfather or g-grandfather was 1st gen American) on my Dad’s side, and 1/2 English on my Mom’s side, mostly dating to colonial times. My ancestors were among the frontiersfolk who settled Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana. In fact, I grew up in a town (Noblesville, IN) named after some of my distant ancestors. My g-grandfather wrote up a fairly comprehensive genealogy that has been used to connect all the way back to the Mayflower.
I’m interested in genealogy, but not enough to spit in a tube.
My wife is somewhere around 1/2 Portuguese and 1/2 Sicilian. I take it the sassyness is the Sicilian half. We’re a diverse family unit, except we’re both pretty white and blue eyes/green eyes. So I guess we really are not that diverse and can’t claim any special privilege.
My mom spent years tracking down the ancestry of her and dad’s sides of the family. There’s no doubt at all my ancestors on his side immigrated here from Wales and my mom’s side from England, both sometimes in the mid – late 1800s.
“y ancestors were among the frontiersfolk who settled Kentucky, Ohio,”
You might want to check out McCullough’s new book, “Pioneers,” about those who setled the Northwest Territory.
OT: Michael Flynn Wants a Judge to Allow Him to Travel to a Conference Held by a QAnon Fan
Yeah, well my IQ is 173!
Mine’s 174, dummy.
I haven’t been 174 since high school.
210
You can’t trick us by turning that 12 around backwards and adding a zero.
actually it’s 012
::wipes drool from chin::
* not really
IQ is one of “those things” that doesn’t interest me much. I’ve met some really, really intelligent people who are hopelessy stupid. I’ve also know a gun crazed redneck who can fix cars and also write like Charles Bukowski.
Intelligence is domain-specific because the brain is modular.
In my opinion.
My modules fight.
Before I solve any problem, the sides weigh out which will be the easiest, fastest, or most efficient approach; hopefully, the correct side takes over. But sometimes I flip back and forth: cerebral studdering, if you will.
We’re all like that. That’s how it works.
meh. I am not sure I buy that. Depends on what you mean though
I have a friend in Iowa who is one of the best writers I’ve personally read. Really, he’s right up there with the best published fiction writers. I couldn’t believe it when I read his stuff, but he won’t try to get published because he thinks he’s really not that good. He’s wrong. If you saw the guy, he looks like he just got off a John Deere tractor, your typical redneck farmer, but he’s brilliant, one of the smartest people I’ve ever known. I also had a neighbor who has that same look, but he owns a construction company, built his own home, can repair any type of equipment or automobile, and designed and built his own geothermal system for his home. By comparison, I know more than a few PhDs who are as dumb and useless as a bag of rocks in comparison.
Given any moron can get a PHD these days that is not saying much. Intelligence is not abut degrees or how you look
“Intelligence is not abut degrees or how you look”
You and I may know that, but try telling it to a PhD with an overly inflated ego and nothing to back it up with.
My father is extraordinarily intelligent and also a doctor. If you ever saw him anywhere but at the hospital, you would just assume he is a local redneck.
The guy wears carhartt coveralls year round, with a shirt in the winter, and without one in the summer.
he needs a makeover
Give him some beard wash and a bottle of Stella Artois. Instant makeover, look as intellectual and sophisto as Hyperion with these 2 small tricks!
I know someone whose IQ is off the charts high who is a 40-something virgin who lives with roommates and can barely make ends meet.
Good old Q Anon, the white hat intelligence operative that absolutely does not exist.
It exists just as much as the dark web does. I mean someone read it in a novel and decided it was real.
All hackers are black hat. Some just pretend to be ethical.
Checks out. My power level is over 9,000.
Strange article. I probably shouldn’t be too surprised to see the left begrudging a guy the opportunity to raise money for his legal defense.
oh yeah, well my iq is 1000
in binary
Ok. I want to note the rhetorical ploy here. Flynn is going to a party hosted by a QAnnon fan. Not Flyn is going to a Q Annon party. I don’t know maybe it is a QAnnon party, but what gets me is that if the media doesn’t like you they will pick one quirk and act like that defines everything you do.
New Jersey school district is punishing children who owe more than $10 in lunch debt by giving them TUNA SANDWICHES on whole wheat bread
Hot, tuna fish breath…
Feed children an apex maritime predator every day. That’s some good nutritioning there Lou.
When I was a kid, getting sent to bed with no dinner was punishment. A tuna sandwich would not have been considered any sort of punishment. Kids today really are snowflakes.
You too huh? And I’m not old. My sister in law hasn’t learned this and her kids are the worst when it comes to eating what they are given.
Cue lawsuits over mercury poisoning.
Why is there even a debt? No money, no food. How hard is that?
How the fuck is this news? This was standard operating procedure at my school 15 years ago. They’d let you run a small deficit before putting you on the PB&J plan.
“You owe us money. Here, have some food.”
Seems unlikely to get the debt repaid.
EF is half-Irish and half-Finnish. So Fire ‘n’ Ice.
True story: My nephew did this while his wife was 8 months pregnant. Turns out he’s distantly related to his in-laws. Our ball-busting family has surprisingly shown quite the restraint, the only comment came from me when I said “Now don’t go assuming you’re an aristocrat.”
I have a half-baked theory; maybe some of you sciencey people can shoot it down:
At some point in the future it becomes possible for criminals to leave fake, but undetectable so, DNA at crime scenes to frame other people for the crime. Rendering DNA almost useless. I know you could do this now by collecting hair or…fluids. But I mean like a home 3D printer but for DNA trace evidence.
or maybe even less possible:
You can alter you own DNA enough after committing a crime to say it wasn’t you. Again, rendering DNA almost useless.
This is why CRISPR must be banned. People can just splice and dice their way to freedom.
I keep a few vials of other peoples DNA with me at all time, to be placed at the scene of any crimes I may need to commit.
Everyone in my family but me has done it. I’m already screwed.
everyone but you had sex? I though you had kids
At least you’re really starting to learn the Murican language. Because everyone knows when one of us says ‘Done it’, we mean fornication specifically.
One of my 400 or so half brother got him one of them fancy DNA tests. And he completely did not understand any of it at all. He was pretty fascinated by having a couple of markers that pretty much any person having descendants from Europe would have. When my old man Genghis Kanned his way across greater Appalachia, I don’t think he took brains too much into account during the mass rape plundering campaign. I exaggerate a little. I need to emphasize the word ‘little’, as in not much. Half of everyone east of Ohio is related to me.
How goes it, all? Haven’t been around in awhile so I thought I’d swing by and say hello. Not sure what the rest of you shitweasels are doing tonight but I’ve got this on the docket:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/brawl-in-the-hall-mosley-jr-vs-metcalf-live-professional-boxing-tickets-61267076475
Should be a fun show. And supposedly former light-middleweight champion Fernando Vargas is going to be ringside at some point. Fun fact: Vargas knocked me out in an amateur bout around twenty-five years ago. It was short, brutal, and effortless on his part…good times.
Whatever you’re up to this evening, enjoy!
Apps and drinks with friends at our place, then heading to Beer Tent at the local fair to watch local yokels and meth heads. Colt Ford is playing. Looked him up and has some fun country songs. Should be a blast with the nice weather.
Thinking of getting some gas for the grill and grilling out and drinking beer. That’s pretty much it.
Fuck. Work til seven tonight, home then back to work by 6 tomorrow morning.
Did you get that supervisor position?
I interviewed on Tuesday of this week. I was told that they would be done interviewing candidates by today and they should have a decision by next week. Me fingers be crossed.
Good luck, man! Hopefully you are on your last swing on the swing shift!
Thanks.
That sucks, man. One more hour and I checkout for the weekend.
Getting down to some DJ Assault classics.
If you’re at work crank up the speakers and let the entire office enjoy!
El Feroz! I liked him. Tough dude.
83% Irish, 13% British Isles (i think that’s what it said, 1% Scandinavian. I’ve never seen one subset so high in those tests. So, yeah. Rape and incest for me.
I have never done the genetic testing since I’d like to keep my DNA out of the hands of the state, but I have a great Uncle who has done extensive genealogical work. About 10 years ago, he had it all printed up and i have a copy of the book. Its really neat. The first Lachowsky came to the U.S. from German occupied Poland in 1880 and settled on land in Conway arkansas.
The book is pretty neat and as far as I can tell, all encompassing of the family. As we were all catholic, the prodigy of ole Johan has gotten very large. My uncle has created an online version of the book that he continually updates as new babies are born.
I’m glad someone did this work.
Conway
just north of Pulaski County
Yep. If you are ever there, the current Conway fairgrounds occupy the land that was great grandad’s homestead.
Great grandad, doing great grandad stuff, 1942.
http://imgur.com/gallery/oLhP60k
So who’s the dude in the hat with your great grandad.?
ALOL
lol, that did make me laugh.
HA!
The best thing about the epstein debacle is it that it really shines a light on thoroughly corrupt our government is.
I saw one posted yesterday that had a picture of Dale Jr. and said ‘Nice try, Hillary.’
http://imgur.com/gallery/yLsRm9j
You got some haters in your replies
Some people dont have a sense of humor.
100 years from now:
“daddy, daddy, there’s a monster under my bed!”
“there’s no such thing as monsters”
“it’s a Hillaryclinton under my bed!”
*dad retrieves plasma rifle from closet*
One question occurs to me. In genealogy, in describing your heritage, do you stop at “the old country”, or do you consider where they migrated from to “the old country”.
It depends on where the records run out.
For one branch, we can’t find before 1840s.
For another it runs out in the 1510s.
The research on my family traces back to Elblag, Poland. I imagine it would be difficult to go further back as that area has been conquered and reconquered a lot in the centuries before the 1880s.
What’s something that’s long and hard that’s given to a Polish woman on her wedding night?
A new last name!
you can get shit like this
Your maternal line stems from a branch of haplogroup H called H5a. Haplogroup H5a is the main sub-branch of haplogroup H5, and traces back to a woman who lived nearly 9,000 years ago, likely in southeastern Europe. During the end of the Ice Age, most of the European continent had been covered either by barren tundra or thick glaciers, and the southeastern corner provided a warmer shelter for human populations. By the time the H5a lineage arose, however, the cold had receded and a new climatic and technological era was underway — the Neolithic Revolution. Farming practices that had been developed in the Fertile Crescent spread to the Northwest through a combination of migration and cultural exchange, and populations were booming. As this growth continued, women carrying H5a migrated to the north and west into eastern Europe.
Today, H5a is most commonly found in the central European plains, though it also exists at low levels across Europe. It reaches its highest frequency of 13% in Poland, and is also found at around 6% of people in Latvia and Romania.
You and Alexander Hamilton are descendants of a man who lived in northern Europe around 5,000 years ago. – riight
What? You don’t believe in Primordial Whitey?
Primordial whitey was primordial blackey before he was primordial whitey. Maybe somewhere in between, he was like a Zebra?
Depends who you ask.
Don’t believe the tricknology!
You mean depends on whether you ask a paleoanthropologist or some guy who discovered pyramids in Bosnia and wrote a book about it?
Or the guys who was kangs, or the mormons.
One of the grandpas claims he’s traced it back to a guy in William’s army in 1066, but I haven’t verified his research.
It gets extremely difficult once you get back a couple of hundred years, because there were not many written records. Especially among poorer folks who did not even know how to read or write.
Similar to one of the family stories I’ve heard. Apparently, I had an Irish ancestor who ran off with the daughter of an English aristocrat and the couple made their way to the colonies. We can trace the aristocratic line pretty much to William’s army as well. The Irish side sprung up out of potato field.
Are there no genetic testing companies that at least claim information privacy or data destruction after the results are sent? As an adoptee I’ve always been curious but going through the rigmarole linked in the post to retain anonymity isn’t worth the bother.
Drop me a line: website@ this website.
I’ve been thinking of setting up a service that would do the purchasing, send the kit to someone at an address of their choice, and set up a domain with email addresses one could purchase as well to get results sent anonymously.
Did anyone see GATTACA? good flick
Yes, and I agree.
#metoo
I liked it. No idea why it’s considered a bad movie.
Add me to the list, I really enjoy Gattaca.
Always like that one. I think I still have it on VHS somewhere.
Do you have a VHS player?
GATTACA! GATTACA! GATTACA!