People pay close attention – maybe too close attention – to political polls for the 2020 presidential election. But you hardly ever hear about how bookmakers handicap the various candidates. The comparison is interesting.
There are two reasons why you might think the betting odds are more accurate than the polls. First, bookmakers only make money if they set their odds in the correct ratio that corresponds to the relative amount of money actually bet on each candidate. Second, people who lay real money down have a lot more at stake than someone answering a poll. Some of them might also have some inside information that the general public doesn’t have access to.
The average numbers of recent national polls listed by RealClear Politics (as of August 26) shows these percentages: Biden 27.2, Sanders 16.7, Warren 16.2, Harris 7.5, Buttigieg 4.8, O’Rourke 2.8, Booker 2.5, Yang 2.0, Gabbard 1.3, Castro 1.5, Klobuchar 1.2, Williamson 1.0. Nothing too surprising there.
But what do the bookmakers say? I found four wagering sites (BetVictor, betWay, Bovada, and NordicBet) that offered political bets and gave a good set of choices. These are all based outside the U.S. The average money lines of candidates for the Democratic nomination who were listed on all four sites were:
- Elizabeth Warren, +219
- Joe Biden, +244
- Kamala Harris, +550
- Bernie Sanders, +575
- Pete Buttigieg, +1025
- Andrew Yang, +1600
- Tulsi Gabbard, +2625
- Cory Booker, +3375
- Hillary Clinton, +3875
- Beto O’Rourke, +4200
- Amy Klobuchar, +7000
- Michelle Obama, +7000
- Julian Castro, +7250
For those not familiar with money lines, that is the amount you would win if you bet 100 on that candidate. If you divide the number by 100, that is the approximate odds against them winning. For example, the odds are approximately 2.2-to-1 against Warren winning, or, alternatively, she has roughly a 1-in-3.2, or 31%, chance. I say “approximately” since the vigorish (the bookmaker’s edge) built into these payouts mean they cannot be exactly interpreted as the odds of winning.
Other candidates were not listed on all sites. Only two had lower odds than those above: Michael Bloomberg was +4000 and Andrew Cuomo +5000 on betWay. Oprah Winfrey appeared twice, at +10000 and +15000.
One major takeaway from this is that bookmakers, whose livelihood depends on having the pulse of their bettors, think that Warren, with the lowest money line, is the most likely to win, or at least that bookmakers think the betting public thinks she is most likely to win. Another is that Sanders has a smaller chance than the polls suggest. Also, Harris is much stronger, coming in just ahead of Sanders. Converting the odds to approximate win chances, the bookmakers rate Buttigieg, Yang, and Gabbard higher than the polls, while O’Rourke is even weaker than the polls show. And, of course, there is some action for Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama. For those who think that Hillary is just waiting in the wings and will be anointed as the 2020 nominee, now is your chance to profit: a $100 bet could net a profit of $3875.
Also note that the two most recent national polls (Economist/YouGov and Monmouth) have shown a shift among the top three: the averages are Biden 20.5, Sanders 19.5, and Warren 19.0); Sanders and Warren have gained at Biden’s expense. Sanders remains much stronger in the recent polls than the odds suggest. Perhaps the bettors believe that the fix will be in again against Bernie.
For the general election, the average money line was -120 for the Democratic nominee, -110 for the Republican. A negative money line is how much you have to bet to win 100. If you divide it by 100, it is approximately the odds in favor of winning. A more negative number implies being a bigger favorite, so the generic donkey is currently favored. The fact that both numbers are negative just means the bookmakers are getting their cut. Not all sites gave an Other option for the winning party; among the ones that did, the money line ranged from +2500 to +9000 (sorry Libertarians and Greens!).
One other site not included above, MyBookie, seemed out of line compared to the others. The money lines for the top four Democratic candidates there:
- Biden, +300
- Harris, +300
- Warren, +375
- Sanders, +765
Here Harris shows a lot more support than the other sites. Also, the Republican party was listed as -200 in the general election, i.e., about a 2-to-1 favorite, with the Democrats at +160 and Other at +5000. I don’t know why these are so out of line with the other sites; one would think that arbitragers would have pounced on these differing odds and brought them more in line with each other. By placing appropriately-sized bets at three different sites (Dems +160 on MyBookie, Pubs +109 on Pinnacle, and Other +2500 on Marathon), one could guarantee an 11% profit. That’s my pro-tip for the day.
The MyBookie site also had some Donald Trump specials:
- Will impeachment begin by 12/31/2019? -5000 no, +1200 yes.
- Will Trump resign before the end of his first term? -9000 no, +1200 yes.
- Will Congress obtain Trump’s tax returns by 12/31/2019? -500 no, +300 yes.
Nothing too surprising there, as none of these are given much chance of happening. Then there’s this one:
- Will Greenland become the 52nd state by the end of Trump’s second term? -140 yes, +100 no!
That’s a bit of an eye-opener, although MyBookie seems to be considering DC to be the 51st state (unless that bet needs somewhere else, like Puerto Rico, to precede Greenland to statehood). Maybe the Free State Project can change their target; Greenland’s population is about 1/24th that of New Hampshire, and should be easy to take over if it becomes a state.
It is still early, and a lot can happen between now and next year. But people who are willing to put their money where their mouth is (or at least the people who are taking that money and want to make a profit) tend to be careful with their prognostications, and my bet (!) is that the bookmaker odds are a better gauge than the political polls.
What about Trump be others candidates? How does that line up?
Trump vs. others, derr
The general election paragraph covers that. SInce Trump is an overwhelming favorite to be the R nominee, the generic R and Trump are very close. The sites I looked at didn’t have specific Trump vs. a particular D (since that depends on who gets nominated and won’t be viable until then).
Trump will mop the floor with any of them. The lessons the Dems will learn:
1. Russia!
2. Prog harder!
Which is ironic, in a way.
Question:
Are those the money lines/odds of the candidates winning the primary, or the general, election?
Primary. To save space I didn’t put in their individual odds to win the election.
That answers my question, good article, thanks!
I wonder if there will be a serious attempt by Never Trumpers to primary him in earnest?
I think there will be. I think they’re going to get their asses handed to them if they do. Could be a trial run for 2024 as well.
Continuing with whiz ‘s premise: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/republican-candidate
I should mention that I wrote this a week ago, and a couple of recent polls had Biden’s lead dwindling (although another one didn’t).
Also, I checked the betting sites today and Warren is showing a little more separation at the top.
Please no Warren cleavage
Please no Warren cleavage
Spoil sport.
All she has to do is lift her shirt up a few inches to see it.
You meant skirt?
Eesh.
MyBookie, seemed out of line
I can’t think of an arbitrage opportunity that doesn’t require third parties
Yes, I was just surprised at how far out of line they were, and that the gap hadn’t been closed by some enterprising people. Of course they have to sign up for each site to take advantage of it, which is not allowed for people in the U.S. (at least in my neck of the woods).
News I can use!
Brilliant!
I have bet on Stossel’s recommended site in the past.
It did predict Trump winning in 2016, and was ridiculed.
Here’s everybody’s favorite mustached libertarian John Stossel with a short article:
https://www.creators.com/read/john-stossel/01/18/election-odds
I wouldn’t bet money on any of it because who knows what the American people will do but I’m guessing either Biden or Harris. Despite Harris putting a lot of black folks in jail, she’s still black and you can’t discount that she’ll probably get 95% of the black vote which is huge. Biden has the recognition though, People vote by name recognition which is why there are so many Kennedys in office even though most are not related.
Black people don’t want no ho. They are firmly in Biden’s camp.
That does complicate things.
I wonder if anyone can accurately tabulate Trump’s black and Latino support.
That article is 20 months old, but the electionbettingodds.com site is up to date and probably does a better and more thorough job of summarizing all the sites than I do. It seems to show Warren pulling away to be a clear favorite for the D primary (at 34%) as well, with Biden at 23%.
The electionbettingodds,com link from the Stossel article mentioned by hayeksplosives.
Thanks.
This kind of lines up with my gut sense that the chances of Biden and Sanders are way over-estimated by the polls and Warren and Harris way under-estimated.
I have seen quite a few “Biden is unfit” articles; and Sanders, well you know.
The ladies are far more terrifying options IMHO.
Ladies can be the worst micromanagers and moral scolds around. And if anyone calls them out, they are just innocent women above reproach.
Bleah
Heh that may be but I’m not even alluding to that. Just their politics.
I’m suggesting that regardless of left or right, the “Mom protecting their children and teaching them to behave correctly” instinct is strong and drives them to favor more laws, more govt than men tend to.
Goes for ladies on the right and the left.
This sadly is the real reason there are so few women libertarians.
And so many female grade school teachers.
Oh no doubt…
Definitely one I was thinking about.
Effing progressives started “savinghe world” in late 19th century and created such lovely institutions as tenement halls and soup kitchens to incentivize people not to improve their own lot in life.
Still going strong, flames fanned largely by idealistic women and helmed by power hungry men and women.
“Effing progressives”
Calm down now girl. You’re going to force us to come up with the female equivalent of shitlord and we’re not even ready to go there yet.
Obviously it’s shitlady, and it has a nice ring to it.
OT: Day 1: Burlington VT.
1. Vermonters like their beer hoppy AF. Having said that, I found a couple of decent ones.
2. Referring back to the Steyn article that HE linked yesterday, holy crap! there are a lot of homeless people / methheads / opiate addicts hanging around. I’ve never seen anything like this before, and Burlington ain’t exactly a big city.
Before the advent of rail and road, Burlington was a big industrial and commercial center because of its location on Lake Champlain. Once ships were no longer the most efficient way to move materials, all that industry moved elsewhere. What’s the main industry in Burlington now (besides making hoppy beer)? The university? Ministering to the methheads? Beats me.
It is a nice looking town, though.
You get more of what you encourage?
There could be something to this…
I had fun in Burlington, but you’re right about the loitering neerdowells. I remember that from my last visit in 2013. We didn’t stick around very long. Enough for a meal and a couple touristy things before escaping to more rural pastures.
America is finally getting old, I see it in my travels,
It is a bit sad to see the old storefronts crumbling and buildings being demolished because work shifted from the town. But better to let it die out than to subsidize people staying there with zilch work to do.
Pack up and move to where the work is.
As Sam Kinison said in reference to famine in Africa, “We have deserts in America too; we just don’t LIVE in them!!”
Actually Americans Can live in the desert, because we can .
My BIL had a friend from Vermont who went to McGill. He described the state as ‘agrarian poor’. He went on to be some hot shot economist in the government or something. Anyway. I’ve spent a lifetime visiting that state and watching their news and political debates.
I swear. You haven’t lived if you’ve never watched any kind of political debate with candidates from Vermont. It’s right out of SCTV.
The state is changing though. I asked someone why there are so many trendy restaurants for a poor state and I was told wealthy Americans are retiring or locating there now.
That’s one explanation.
U.S. government that is.
Coats?
Ice cream.
*Technically* Stowe if you mean by ice-cream Ben & Commies.
IBM used to be there.
*technically* Essex Junction
2020 is Trump’s to lose. I don’t see any of these D clowns besting him.
That being said, I can’t believe they put Fauxcahontas up front.
This right here, but still makes me laugh that for a party of “diversity” 3/4 of their choices are rich white boomers.
top choices*
Well, that appears to be what the “smart” money is betting on; that doesn’t mean it’s a wise choice on the Dems part.
Two big questions I see:
turnout: Herself lost to Obama, if you will, in WI
synchronization: there is a step the Dem will need to go from convention winner to consolidator of the not-Trump folk; I don’t know that such an anointing is automatic . . . . lots of feelz at play there
The only way Trump loses is if he convinces his base to stay home because he did something really stupid on gun control. Lindsey Graham is trying hard to get him to lose.
Hillary campaigned hard on gun control in the Midwest primaries in 2016. I swear it cost her the election. The current lunatic Dems make her look an NRA stooge. They will have a lot of explaining to do in flyover country in the general.
only way
nah: local economics (Electoral College) and turnout matter tremendously
1) media will cover for them
2) they’ll say they don’t want to ban hunting rifles, just military grade weapons of mass destruction (and the Fudds will buy it, or at least enough to pull the lever for the free shit)
3) they’ll couch it all as common sense safety, keeping firearms out of the hands of the bad guys
4) they’ll appeal to the housewifes and millennials that think guns are icky, and wish their husbands wouldn’t have one in the house
Definitely agree. Here’s oddschecker, which has the odds from multiple bookies.
Also, re: arbitrage – I heard there was an Aussie site that was offering Trump @ 2/1 odds, which would have been a wonderful arbitrage opportunity. Alas, I never got into crypto, and the UK sites (at least) won’t take US dollars.
BTW, on that site, the best odds are in bold. The blue and pink highlights indicate whether they’ve tightened or loosened their odds, respectively.
I get a 403 message 🙁
Do you have a VPN? https://www.oddschecker.com/
No, still no good.
wonderful arbitrage opportunity
without third parties, how so? the thing about these sites is you can only buy Trump . . . how would you sell ?
You’re right. I didn’t think the math through.
Buying the competition is a proxy for selling Trump, but it shouldn’t work: the cumulative odds should prevent that
otherwise we’d go to the track and put $2 on every horse on every race
The arbitrage I was talking about is buying R, D, and other — not specific people. I think that covers all possibilities, and the disparity in the odds at different sites is enough to give an opportunity.
I’m not attached to the level or the detail; I just want to understand the mechanism.
Can you really lay out a deal that works and doesn’t involve third parties.
I can easily make it work if I’m making the book and simply covering my obligations by buying bets online at better terms than I’m willing to give . . . anything, absolutely anything in this world, works if I’ve got patsies lined up. Hell, I can always go back to televangelism or dealing heroin; I’m looking for something that can be done with a brain from an arm chair because someone else was lazy or careless.
But true profit simply off spreads? I can’t figure out a procedure that works, and I’m not reading one in any of the brief assertions here.
oh, I skimmed over your comment:
(Dems +160 on MyBookie, Pubs +109 on Pinnacle, and Other +2500 on Marathon)
If I understand this one, I put down 100 on each, so 300 down
and then Pubs might pay me 109
where’s my 11% ?
maybe I don’t get it
Put down $42.66 on D, $53.07on R, $4.27 on Other and you always make $10.92, no matter which one ends up being correct (and it covers all possibilities, since there is no “other other” — you always win exactly one of the bets).
For three possible outcomes, there’s a formula for figuring out the exact ratio of bets that guarantees the same return regardless of the result. If you place all three bets at one site, usually the guaranteed return is negative, often on the order of -7%. But if different sites have odds that are different enough, that guaranteed return can be positive.
In this example, if the D’s win you win $68.26 there but lose $57.34 on the other two. If the R’s win, you win $57.85 on that bet but lose $46.93 on the other two. If Other wins, you win $106.75 on that bet and lose $95.73 on the others. In each case, you net about +$10.92 (there may be some round-off error in the last one that makes it slightly different).
Of course there is a different formula when there are only two outcomes (like win or loss, but no tie).
help me out
you get $60 if the Pubs win after you put down $100 across the board?
oh: you get your stake back on a winner
You win 109 for every 100 bet on the Pubs. Some sites (mostly European, I think) will list that as 2.09, which is your winnings plus your original bet. The money line shown on U.S. sites is your net win, and you also get your bet back as well. That’s probably where the confusion is.
You got it!
oddsportal.com has a page on “sure bets,” where they track all the possibilities like this for sports betting. Of course you have to have an account on all the sites involved in the sure bet, but in principle it’s a way to make a small, guaranteed profit.
Nerds
What’s keeping you from dumping $100k into it and walking away with $11k in cash after the election? May not be stock market returns, but seems to be a bunch less risk.
You need to have an account in all the appropriate sites, which in the U.S. is not allowed. Also, I think there are maximum bets on any given event (this is the biggest reason). Finally, large bets might move the odds to an unfavorable situation, although if you do it fast enough, that wouldn’t be a problem.
I did a quick check of Bovada; they have a limit of anywhere from $500 to $2500 on a single moneyline bet (the exact limit depends on the sport). I assume other online sites have similar limits.
Makes sense. I figured something was limiting the stakes, or else rich folks would be dumping millions into sure bets.
Yes. But if you could bet $1000 several times a day with a few % return (a typical number), it adds up a nice chunk of change.
OT: I was just on the job boards looking for any openings to apply to in my niche. Found one where I ticked almost every box, and would make a very competitive candidate. Took one glance at the company (book of faces) and scrolled by. They couldn’t possibly pay me enough to willingly subject myself to their toxic culture.
You mean, you checked out unnamed company on FB, or FB was the company you ix -neyed
The latter. I hear they pay well, but I’ve been to their HQ enough times to know I want nothing to do with them.
Take their free flight, per diem, etc. and during the interview tell them why the fit isn’t right.
Was the job in the Zuck Police?
I really don’t see a lot to disagree with there. I don’t think Biden makes it to the end, as much as I wish he did.
think that Warren, with the lowest money line, is the most likely to win
I guess I should get cranking on the next episode of injun Zombie Presidential Candidate.
I hope Trump spends less time calling her Fauxcahontas and more time calling her out for being a fascist.
He could probably spend an entire debate baiting her into agreeing to Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin quotes and still have material to spare.
But would he? I think he’s to childish to stick to the script for very long. All she has to do is insult his ego and it’ll be extra-animated eye-rolls, and more Fauxcahontas.
Fascism is popular. It can backfire.
It’s only popular if you put “anti” in front and pretend it’s not exactly what you are promoting.
Only the name. The actual philosophy is quite popular.
I personally prefer “Lie-a-watha” – but that’s just me. I would wager (if it were possible!) that Trump more than covers all of the possible labels that could apply to her. It’s funny but she really is nothing more than Bernie in drag.
I’ll quibble just a bit. Bernie is a dyed in the wool commie, for better or for worse (much worse). He’s the torch carrier for “fundamental transformation of America.” Warren is a prototypical early 20th-century fascist. She represents a doubling down on every crony-led, corrupt, anti-competitive government program that has infected our Republic since 1910. She’s bureaucracy incarnate.
I think she’s worse than Bernie, but I would quibble with your labels (So there! I see your quibble, and raise you some pedantry!). Kidding, I doubt we disagree much, except perhaps in our definitions of fascism. I just don’t see her as having the necessary military-orientation, nor the necessary interest in free markets to meet the elements of what I understand fascism to mean, but I’ll say this: I think she is an absolute shrew and would be most like Professor Dolores Umbridge, to show what a Harry Potter geek I am.
The militaristic arm of fascism has been all the focus for the last 70 years, but not a necessary component; that’s why it’s festered as long as it has. X isn’t militaristic, thus not fascist!
Okay. I thought that a necessary element of fascism vice communism was the explicit inclusion of an ultra-nationalism. That’s been part of the consistent drumbeat against Trump this whole time – he’s a fascist because of his nationalism (see 4th of July articles in the lead-up). That kind of nationalism seems to always beget more war drums beating, too, and that’s how I defined fascism. Now, I don’t see either fascism or communism or socialism as fundamentally different on economics, really. Yeah, the commies say they’re going to have an ownership by the proletariat, blah blah blah, but nobody really believes that. And they both ultimately think the govt can tell industry (or people) what they can and can’t do, so I’m not really seeing a distinction with any difference. Because the commies, the Nazis, and the fascists all look pretty much the same to me in any of the ways that matters: it’s just statism. Again, you may be right, but I’m not sure these are really anything more than semantic distinctions in the end.
I never got that distinction – the commies all seem/seemed just as nationalistic as Italy ever was.
In reality, Fascism, Socialism and Communism are just different degrees of totalitarianism. Fascism, the State controls industry through excessive regulation. Socialism, the State controls industry by owning the means of production. Communism the State controls industry through complete ownership.
I get why the falsehood that fascism needed militarism or nationalism to exist; because FDR was implementing the same policies in the US, and needed to differentiate from the people he went to war with, even though they had the same goals.
If you take the nationalism as a needed component of fascism, that right there would mean the Nazis weren’t fascist, as they wanted to extend such policies beyond their nation, I mean that’s why they invaded other countries.
CPRM: I agree with your definitions with the same caveat – they’re all bullshit distinctions. But sill: how can you say that the Nazis weren’t nationalists? I’ve seen more than a few videos and it seems to me they were openly ultra-nationlistic? Whether or not you go a-conquering is a different question entirely and seems to me to speak to foreign policy as another way of further defining governmental systems. (Immigration policy also seems to be to be an interesting way of defining these things, but maybe not; nativism may also be incidental, but I don’t think so.)
Well, the Nationalism point goes to which idea of a ‘Nation’ we are talking about? Today a nation is a country, where as in the 19th and early 20th century a nation was seen as a cultural and racial thing. The Italian nation wasn’t defined by it’s geography, but by the people there, the same for Germany and others. That is why there was a racial element, today it’s more about borders than blood. And now the nation and the state are the same, as has been said, devotion to the state, all for the state.
I see her as more of a commie than Bernie, however. I think she has more socialism/communism by instinct (and training in academe) than Bernie has by learnin’ and experience visiting Russia and other commie shitholes.
In fact, I’ll take it a step further, given both ideologies birth in salons and the university and academy, and suggest that Warren as an academic has more brainwashing than Bernie does, even if he’s the more experienced on the subject. Moreover, I get nothing but the feeling of viciousness from her, whereas Bernie strikes me as far more likely to die by tripping on his own trouser cuffs going down the White House stairs. Uncle Bernie is no saint, but he would keep the gulag numbers way down vs. Lizzie.
Hopefully, we’ll never know. Because I don’t see either of them coming close to Trump in the general. No way.
She’s more dangerous than Bernie because she comes across as a technocrat rather than a senile hippie.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=G-PKN5cbwHs
What the hell does this have to do with Japan?
That two once great empires are going into dotage?
Uffda.
Evening, Glibbies! Not a bad day. Some progress was made on the patio project. Big dog put a couple of canine holes in one of the workers t-shirts. Tomatoes and peppers are coming on for the last push of the season, and the wife agreed to let a housekeeper come in and do a deep clean every couple of weeks with pretty much no argument.
Dinner was cheese tortellini tossed with a saute of Italian sausage, onions, mushrooms, gold squash, garlic, and basil from the garden with a glass of Pinot. A glass of Four Roses Small Batch is in hand.
Did the deep clean myself over summer vacation. Kitchen, bathroom, shower room. Spotless now. It’s fun for me. Guess I’m weird.
Between construction dust and dog hair, the house is in need of some tlc. I could do it, but I only have so much time in the day. And I’ve been noticing over the past few weeks that the wife’s attention to cleaning is slipping. I’m just glad she didn’t put up a fight.
Idaho does a rare whiskey lottery every month. Very annoying. Especially when people put in for it, and often don’t bother picking it up if they win. Their bad, my good.
I walked into my local liquor store today, and the manager hit me up with a couple of bottles he had that had never been picked up. I’ve taken a few, but passed on the $400 bottle of Whistlepig Boss Hog. Today, he had a bottle of Balvenie “Peated Week” 14yo. 2018 was the second year for this release. Balvenie is a sweet, and soft Speyside. Supposedly, Balvenie originally had a little peat on it. This bottle weighs in at about 97 proof, so water is necessary.
This single malt rocks. A little peat smoke on the nose with touch of honey, Balvenie sweetness on the palate and a finish with a touch of iodine and a little heat that reminds me of Talisker. At $100, this is an occasional pour, but damn, what a fine scotch. One of the best I’ve had.
Arrrggghhhh. This was supposed to be a stand alone post.
Touch of iodine?
Thanks, whiz, for the article, as well as for jogging my memory that I have had a plus balance sitting in my Bovada account for a while. I put $10 spot on both Harris (+600) and Clinton (+3000).
You’re welcome!
…and I threw down $10 on the Twins (+2000) to win the WS.
baseball-reference.com has the Twins at an 8% chance, so according to that you got good odds.
Washington (+1800) and especially Oakland (+3500) are other teams that have good odds right now compared to the bb-ref probabilities.
You are a glutton for punishment.
I identify as an “eternal optimist”.
I went to my Tuesday place for half-price beer night. Sometime into my second beer, the old lady who’d been sitting two seats down changed seats to sit next to me. Apparently the dude who’d come in and sat on her other side had rudely nudged her bag over. She wanted commiseration. Then she complained to the manager, who quizzed me about what happened. No idea. Didn’t see it. If it doesn’t happen within the ~30 degrees of visual range mostly devoted to my phone, I don’t see it. Specifically because I don’t want to get drawn into a situation. In fairness to the offended lady, the guy was audibly grumbling and seemed like an ass. All the more reason not to get involved.
And my favorite bartendress wasn’t serving tonight.
The moral of the story is: drink at home.
This seems obvious to me but yeah there was a time when it didn’t. You’ll get there.
Of course, home is where the beer is,
Awesome burgers done, peanut butter drumsticks and Torpedos, a good night,
The perfect party invitation. RSVP.
The drumsticks are tasty!
No idea what peanut butter drumsticks are, but save me one.
Done
I like the carmel.
shrimp, pasta, and Shiner
Derry Girls on Netflix is cute
What would happen if Trump ran against Hitler?
Night of the Long knives, look it up, Rohm did
Yeh well Canada is having its election next month and would love to see the odds on that shithead cuck.
I’m hoping Canadians won’t be apathetic and vote the the little authoritarian douche with a remedial brain out. But I’m no betting on it.
I’m getting the sense he’s gonna get at the very least a minority government despite his smug arrogant governance.
Scheer and the conservatives have been sheerly too timid. And Bernier may split the vote there.
I hope I’m wrong.
Canadian politics? OK if it makes you feel like a real country,
Canada. What’s the point, eh?
Bovada has:
Trudy: -110
Scheer -140
Followed by some long shots
Fuck.
Meh, whiz can speak to this more, but to me it seems like nearly a dead-heat. They are both minuses.
Oh yeah, which means Scheer is the slight favorite.
I get it. A minus reads opposite than +.
Well, I’ll hang onto anything.
The motherfucker is gonna try again taxing capital gains at 100%.
If you’re a Canadian who owns something and you vote for him, you’re not just an idiot but an apathetic and clueless one.
No excuse.
No shit? Jeepers, I don’t think Bernie has even proposed going that far, has he?
Yes. There was major push back from Canadians on that.
He and his little rooster Jerry aka Finance Minister Bill Morneau had to back down.
Their ego took a hit and I don’t expect them to let it go.
Oh yeah, which means Scheer is the slight favorite.
Correct. And that’s a healthy vig for the bookie.
100% woke prediction. Communists will finally win and it will totally work this time! So woke, much equality, many utopia.
So what’s the opposite of the Ron Paul “ITS HAPPENING!” gif?
Maybe this?
This?
+1 internets
Game over, man!
Re: spread on the general between sites. Couldn’t that just be that one side is dead and only crazy odds would change the partisan bets so it is just a placeholder for now. I’m sure it will tighten up closer to the conventions.
Possibly, although I would imagine that the basic R and D bets in the general have sufficient action that they are more than placeholders. Some of the individual nomination bets for the fringe candidates might be more subject to change. A lot of the sites do say that if someone is interested in a person not on their list, they will consider opening a line on them.
Totes serial now. What we are going to get is a Biden/Warren on the D ticket. They will fare … probably a little less well than Hilary did, but probably not as well. Anything other than that will lose in a historic landslide to orange bad man.
I think that Warren will be the top of the ticket. I don’t think the DNC will be able to stomach putting up a straight white guy on the top of the ticket next year.
Then, almost historic landslide. I mean if not for Cali and NY, which she will surely win, but outside than that, massacre.
What odds do you give on the Bernie Bros sitting out enough to make a difference this time if it is Biden, Warren or Harris? Round here they’really almost as vilified aso Orange Man.
Bernie’s not getting the nom. He’s too old. If they’re going all in commie, it will be Warren. But I don’t think so. It will be Biden, to satisfy the establishment, older more less commie dem voters and Warren to give the progs a taste of their commie desires. That’s their only hope, IOW, they’re fucked.
The Berniebros I know all seem to love Warren as well.
The SJWs I know seem to hate Biden.
Neither of them really talk about Harris at all, so idk where she stands with either group.
I wonder if KH’s losing out in the primaries would cause the BHO votes to sit out?
Herself was killed by low turnout, similar vector, similar demographic.
Bernie Bros I knew despise Warren for her ties to corporate america
Apparently WokeMart doesn’t want people open carrying in the store anymore. I find this odd considering that Walmart was a place i could generally count on seeing at least one open carrying person every time I entered. Hell, I have open carried in Wally world. It would be a shame if they alienate a substantial portion of their customer base.
They also don’t like you open carrying dangerous Tide pods. Apparently all the other pod brands don’t taste as good as the Tide ones. Probably some racism involved.
It’s going to be Warren. Biden is senile. Kamala hits all the identity marks but is toxic because of her prosecutorial history. Bernie is too old and white. Buttgag will be Warren’s running-mate. She is the corporate candidate even though she is just Hillary Clinton with less likeability and charisma. Buttgag is unassuming but strikes some of the identity bs points and seems likeable on a personal level.
Buttercup does have the holier-than-thou thing going – he is literally using Jesus to support every leftist idea under the sun.
I can’t see that flying in the general.
But Jeebus was a socialist, don’t you know. Everyday he helped pass legislation to help Caesar tax the poor into even more poor.
Buttpig cannot be a presidential candidate, even on the VP ticket, merely because of his name. Fuck, Trump will probably call him Buttplug.
Let’s try this again.
Idaho does a rare whiskey lottery every month. Very annoying. Especially when people put in for it, and often don’t bother picking it up if they win. Their bad, my good.
I walked into my local liquor store today, and the manager hit me up with a couple of bottles he had that had never been picked up. I’ve taken a few, but passed on the $400 bottle of Whistlepig Boss Hog. Today, he had a bottle of Balvenie “Peated Week” 14yo. 2018 was the second year for this release. Balvenie is a sweet, and soft Speyside. Supposedly, Balvenie originally had a little peat on it. This bottle weighs in at about 97 proof, so water is necessary.
This single malt rocks. A little peat smoke on the nose with touch of honey, Balvenie sweetness on the palate and a finish with a touch of iodine and a little heat that reminds me of Talisker. At $100, this is an occasional pour, but damn, what a fine scotch. One of the best I’ve had.
“Whistlepig Boss Hog”
WTF? I’ve never even heard of it. Last time I came across some harder to find Whislepid was some of the Old World Cask at $80 a bottle. They had 3 bottles and I took them all off their hands right there, last time before that I had seen them, they had a bottle at the big liquor store near here and it was $122 a bottle.
“Whislepid ”
That’s the same as Whistlepig, damnit.
It’s an annual, barrel proof, limited release. No bottle of booze is worth $400.
I agree. Last chance I had was a bottle of 21 year old Pappy Van Winkle for more than 300 bucks. No way. I don’t mind paying $100 for something really nice, but after that, I don’t think so.
I’m not paying to sip this, I’m paying to forget my sorrows! If I more than sip it, I’ll wake up with even more sorrows!
I can do that with a less than $30 bottle of Buffalo Trace.
Or Evan Williams at eleven bucks… wait, sipping, or forgetting sorrows?
“Or Evan Williams at eleven bucks… wait, sipping, or forgetting sorrows”
Yeah, I know! I bought a bottle of that a couple of years ago for $10 or so and was even able to drink a little neat. Better with coke though, but not bad.
Local place was actually doing tastings of the Boss Hog last year. It was fine, nothing I’m going to spend $500 on (which is what they wanted).
I spent ~ $120 on a bottle of Lock, Stock & Barrel rye a couple of years ago – delicious, but gone too fast.
I balk as anything gets closer to $100 at this point. Plenty of delicious stuff under that price.
Though I sprang for some High West Yipee Ki-Yay @ $80 a couple weeks ago. That was a waste – I like the Double Rye far better for half the price.
Meh, I haven’t really tasted any better bourbon than Blantons or the Whistepig Old World. Really, the Pitu Vitoriosa Cachaca is maybe the best liquor I’ve ever drank. It’s about $125 a bottle retail.
Not really a bourbon guy – if not rye, I’m heading towards single malt scotches.
Not a big scotch fan, but the bottle of Highland Park 12 year old I bought a while back was really good.
I have about 700-800 wagered on Trump not getting impeached with two buddies. It’s not exact because one of the bets is for a weekend away at my choice of hotel/house. I plan on collecting.
“I have about 700-800 wagered on Trump not getting impeached with two buddies.”
So, they just want to give you money? Can you get them to give me 3 to 1 on that?
What odds? Straight up 50/50? If so, not bad.
Is that a bet on full impeachment, or just if it clears the House? Because I don’t see Pelosi keeping her band of retards in check forever.
Are you guys being serious? The chance of Trump being impeached is zero. WTF? Impeached for what?
Impeached and convicted of impeachment are two different things. Clinton was impeached, but never convicted.
Modern democrats don’t need facts, because reasons.
You and your facts/context…
“Modern democrats don’t need facts, because reasons.”
But they do need the Senate, which they don’t have. Even if they did, they still are not that stupid.
Yep. Removed from office would be another bet.
Yeah, I can totally see Democrats impeaching him next September/October, mostly as a GOTV measure but also so every talking head can screech about how we can’t re-elect someone with this dark cloud hanging over him.
Dude, one of the impeachment charges leveled at Andrew Johnson was “Making three speeches with intent to ‘attempt to bring into disgrace, ridicule, hatred, contempt and reproach, the Congress of the United States'”. If that falls under impeachment, can you imagine the fun they would have with Trump?
I can’t even imagine them bringing charges against a guilty as fuck James Comey, put it that way.
Hello HM! Just a quick “thank you!” for your help on my article. It got posted last night (my time) – I hadn’t expected it to be up so soon.
My pleasure.
I have a similar 50 dollar bet with the gf. She is subject to tds and w/e CNN and MSDNC have to say. So our political conversations are…um…limited and interesting.
Wife was a full on socialist a decade ago and now she’s a full on raging libertarian. I guess I have a magical dick.
Perhaps. I typically “finish” after her but, unfortunately, I am not good enough to sway her worldview.
Patience, weedhopper.
Yes, it is a straight up bet, no odds. It is also for impeachment and removal or impeachment and resignation.
No comments on the Trump special bets? Not even the Greenland one? Maybe people didn’t read that far 🙂
I read the whole thing. We’re not buying Greenland because OrangeManBad.
If we can’t buy Greenland we should just annex it. Is Denmark going to stop us? No. If we make it a protectorate we get half of their income. Or maybe I’ve been playing too much Total War…
Chance of Trump being impeached vs we’re buying Greenland? What are the odds I can get on Greenland?
As noted in the article, the MyBookie site had it more likely than not (put up 140 to win 100) that Greenland would be a state (not just purchased) by the end of Trump’s second term. It was even money to bet “no”. That bet is now off the board, I think it expired at the end of August.
I’d be surprised if it happened. Not impossible but a long shot I reckon. Even if Denmark would want to they won’t because it’s Trump.
Yes, I think TDS runs that deep.
Besides, the U.S. has been trying to buy GL since the 19th century and so far haven’t been able to.
We’ll see how good of a salesman he really is I guess.
There’s a tremendous amount of mineral wealth there, but getting to it is another thing.
It’s also a target of China and Russia. I don’t trust Denmark not to sell it to one of them.
Yeah, I’m all for buying it. Call me a Trumpet if you will, let me at that mineral stuff already.
“Something is rotten in Denmark.”?
Well, a 60% income tax rate would sort of suck, but I guess it’s OK besides that.
the U.S. has been trying to buy GL since the 19th century and so far haven’t been able to
Hmmm… what’s the offer?
Yeah, I liked that one. That was free money if you could get a “no Greenland state” in on time.
It’s hot as fuck. Thank god for Jim Beam, ice, and Perrier.
Wife is frying up a hefty bone in ribeye. A simple slaw of red cabbage and green onion in a mustard lemon vinaigrette.
The steak is the last one from our favorite butcher Marconda’s. We’ve already visited some butcher shops in Seattle, so we’ll keep the good meats coming.
I don’t bet, know idea what this means.
But, I’ve been watching ‘The Boys’, and although I’m not as impressed with it as everyone else seems to be it is something to watch that isn’t offensively stupid.
But, It has left me with a lingering question. What the Fuck is up with Billy Zane? This is like the third thing where he’s play himself (Zoolander 2 and something else I can’t remember). Is like just that guy everyone in Hollywood hangs out with? I mean, he hasn’t done anything of note for over 20 years, but gets roles playing himself like he’s some kind of huge celebrity? Is this some kind of Hollywood inside joke?
I think it’s become a running joke – he was going to be the the Next Big Thing for a while, but that never really happened – The Phantom was the nail in that coffin.
He seems to be in on the joke.
I get that, but there have been so many other to come and go, just wondering why he became that in-joke. BTW, he was pretty damn good as the Phantom in a shit movie.
Lorenzo Lamas would be a funnier choice, but I don’t think he has a sense of humor about himself.
Here’s the way I see it from this side of the pond. There are 8 basic types of voter in 2020.
TRUMP VOTERS
1) R’s who love Trump
2) R’s who don’t care for Trump but can’t stand the idea of a socialist D in office
3) D’s who don’t care for Trump but can’t stand the idea of a socialist D in office
STAY HOMERS
4) TDS victims who are too lazy or too wound up to vote (or expect others to take care of it)
5) The average American who is fed up with 21st century politics
6) Never Trump R’s
D VOTERS
7) SJW’s and TDS victims who will vote for any D they put up
8) D party faithful
Somehow I just can’t see the “D Voters” carving enough out of the “Stay Homers” to beat the “Trump Voters”. I see the “Stay Homers” as probably the largest chunk of the population and there are enough silent “Trump Voters” to swamp the “D Voters” across the board. What we see in the media will just be political Kabuki – the main effect of which will be to grow the ranks of the “Stay Homers”.
Unicorns don’t count.
Hillary came damn close to beating Trump. Check out the margins in the swing states. I put Trump’s re-election chances at 50/50.
This guy gets it.
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NSFW.
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NSFW.
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NSFW.
She looks like fun.
Yow.
I’m having trouble telling where she is on the crazy/hot spectrum.
Yowsa on the first one. The breasts, the whole breasts, and nothing but the breasts, so help me doG.
Well hello.
Here’s my line: no matter who wins, we all lose.
Ding ding ding!
I’m not normally much of a tennis fan, but I’m enjoying this battle with Federer.
I generally tap out at the business end because I can’t stand him or Serena so I’m rooting for [opponent].
W00t!
Have some more vaping FUD, one of the Post’s latest crusades. No interest in what he was actually inhaling. Fuck you, Post.
You’re only salvation is if we ban everything. Your Lord and Master, the Great State is going to save you. And it’s only going to cost you most of your income and all your freedoms. /WIN
I mean, how many of them had a history of driving? Or Masturbating? Or living in Wisconsin? LOOK AT ALL THOSE VECTORS FOR VAPING TO ATTACK!!
Well, like I said, the only way you can be safe is if we ban everything.
We’re getting to that, OK?
/SJW Nation
8! LINKED! HISTORY! SCIENCE!
“Wisconsin”
I suspect cheese, and orange bad man, and global warming. *applies for funding*
You forgot beer, sauerkraut and tha Packers.
There’s no way I can forget beer and sauerkraut. You keep you packers away from me! *Grabs buttocks*
Vaping what? I’ve seen reports that in most of these cases (not specifically these, just in general) it was sketchy THC liquid.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve gathered as well. Not only that, the ones that have released the findings show pneumonia, leading people to blame the moisture of the vape. But if they are vaping THC, I’m guessing they are holding it like one does when hitting a bong, not the same way a smoker inhales. IGNORE THAT! VAPING ANYTHING IS WRONG AND MAKES YOUR MOM CRY! SCIENCE!
Vaping is BAD! Mmklay! Because we’re on our latest moral outrage to save you, from you.
THC liquid.
seriously, I haven’t smoked or ate, or vaped any weed in almost 20 years. but I really want to, just to piss off these little miss Puritan assholes. And goddamn I want it to be some good shit.
Look out, it’s way stronger than that ditchweed you probably smoked in college.
^^This
Yeah, sure, if you were smoking ditch weed. Seen plenty of it. Good I have smoked, Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Colombian, Panama, Hawaiian, Kentucky, Cali, Tennessee, and dozens of varieties of Mexican. Best weed I ever had was some I had in Mexico, I can’t even remember the area or name, but it was very, very potent and wonderful.
“Look out, it’s way stronger than that ditchweed you probably smoked in college.”
Yeah, umm, no. One of my friends was a master connoisseur and cultivator of the weedz arts. And I used to spend a lot of time in Mexico, and if anyone told you that Mexican weed was some inferior stuff, umm, yeah, just no. I’m no stranger to very powerful weed stuff.
First time I smoked some good weed, my friend had some Colombian Gold,they called it. I remember this song:
Rocket Man
That was right before he came up with sinsemilla he said was from Hawaii. And that was right before he came up with some stuff he grew himself which was even better.
First? Hitler? Hi everybody
Exactly what Tulpa would say.
You know who else was the first Hitler?
Hitler’s dad?
In-N-Out Assholes. Seriously, they have a event trailer pulled by a semi and the jackass decided to park it so he’s blocking me in. I’m drinking so I’m not driving tonight, but he didn’t know that. Park in the empty lane further up or take up half the spaces in your own company’s parking lot next door, dickwad.
Your fault for living near people. If someone is blocking my drive they are trespassing and I’m within my right to STEVE SMITH them, or be kinder and use lethal force.
At a hotel. I can’t buy out all of the rooms.
Then just get as many whores up there as you can. What else is a libertarian to do?
Spray paint “not” in front of their logo.
Or paint over the “B” and the “R”
Damnit, I have a file drawer in my old desk stuck. Shit. WTF? I took the drawer above out and the one below out and it’s still stuck and the wife was scolding me for banging on it will a hammer. Oh, what the fuck, stuck until morning…
I’m going to get rid of this huge desk. I really hate to throw out the top of it because it’s like a 1 inch thick piece of solid cherry wood. I think I’ll just keep that and put it in storage. But the rest of it has to go.
Anyone used one of the bamboo mats for your office chair on the carpet? I’m thinking about buying one to replace my plastic one.
Dude. Just have someone like me look at it, and fix it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations
Tell me TDS isn’t real.
“TDS”
Filament of your imagination.
It’s Figment of Your Imagination, and Disney Owns it.
That was scary, I’m going to have nightmares.
And no, it’s a filament. You’re figment is so yesterday.