Ranking college football teams is contentious stuff, and since I love football and math and human nature, this is one of my favorite topics.
Since I’m a jerk, I like making fun of people, and over-rating things is easy pickings. People are optimistic; they run in herds (so do lemmings), and they are bad at math and statistics. So, since figuring your own ratings takes time while poking fun at the overly optimistic is easy (sports is a target-rich zone), I just point out rankings that are likely to be too high. I’ll get some of these wrong (shrugs: so does everyone, that’s how the pointy ball bounces), but I’ll also get to point and Nelson-laugh a time or two most weeks.
To get us started, I stuck my neck out and had some opinions last week and was brave enough to put them in writing. Like most first weeks, this one didn’t tell us much, but a couple of teams failed to handle their cupcakes well.
Week Zero Most OverRated Football Program Results
1 UCF played nobody
2 Northwestern oops; see below
3 Washington St played nobody
4 Florida barely survived Miami
5 Utah did not man-handle BYU
6 Syracuse hung 24 on Liberty!
7 Iowa St edged North Iowa . . . edged!
8 Texas played nobody
8 Stanford hung 17 on Northwestern!
8 Georgia handled Vandy
11 Clemson destroyed hapless Ga Tech
11 Oklahoma was sorely tested by Houston
11 LSU played nobody
So not much news, irony, or missteps . . . as we would expect.
I honestly can’t figure out why I had an opinion about them
Northwestern: how’d they get in my list last week!? I have no idea. . . . . . let’s get back to business.
So I had a clerical error and a few insights for the first week. Since the weekend, the AP re-racked its votes and came out with a new top 25, so here’s, predictably,
Week Two Most OverRated Football Program Results
1 Iowa St how our new king is still ranked at all?
2 Florida no one will admit they were wrong yet
3 Utah they know something or I do; we can’t both be right
3 Syracuse holding steady, their news yet to come
5 Texas the Notre Dame of southwestern over-ratedness
5 Michigan St joins our list after stomping little Tulsa
5 Georgia is good, but more than two teams are even better
8 UCF opinions and facts are coming together slowly
9 Notre Dame perennially over-rated, they finally join our list
9 Texas A&M joins the list after blowing up Texas State at home
9 Auburn is suddenly slightly over-rated after defeating Oregon
12 Stanford proved enough to be somewhat less over-rated
12 Clemson it’s always easy to say the number one team is slightly over-rated
12 Oklahoma is plenty deep, solid, and might justify the hype eventually
12 Oregon got spanked in the ratings but is still barely over-rated
No Longer OverRated Because I was Wrong
LSU I think this was a brain fart, but I should have caught it so my bad
Washington St proved enough to come off my list
So closes another week in silly season.
what about the arizona glitterbacks
The Diamondbacks are technically a professional baseball team.
Yep. Glitter backs is the underground, anything goes strip club around the corner…the password is Asafoetida.
Incidentally, many baseball players are recruited for football, but instead pick baseball because they pay immediately.
Also, lack of CTEs in baseball.
No comment about Tennessee losing to mighty…um…Georgia State?
Who knew there even IS a Georgia State?
It’s in between Florida and South Carolina.
Tee hee. I knew. But, only because wifey brings me swag she gets from Education conferences and I’m therefore wearing a GA State t-shirt right now.
*raised hand*
Ga State started as Georgia Tech’s night school.
They split off but about 20 years ago there was discussion of merging them back together. It will never happen, but if it does, GT becomes a football power…not because of the GSU players, but because suddenly GT has Bachelor of Arts majors to stick some kids in. Our recruiting limitations would evaporate overnight.
Besides the other reasons of the schools not really wanting it to happen, for the football reason alone uga would never allow it to happen, and they control the Board of Regents.
You may think that is silly and petty, but the only reason uga has a (mediocre) engineering program is because a few recruits went to GT instead of uga because they wanted to major in engineering.
When I was in Tallahassee, (caveat, I know nothing about the sports) there was constant talk of Bowden keeping FSU in whatever conference they were in to give the football an easy schedule at the expense of the other sports teams, particularly basketball.
Thank doesn’t make any sense.
They were independent until 1992, then joined the ACC. You could make an argument for an easy schedule, but not a good one, but joining the ACC is the best thing that could have happened to them in basketball.
Now, before that, they were in the Metro for a while for basketball and other sports. There football schedule was never easy, but maybe the argument was that they maintained independence for good football reasons and that hurt them in other sports.
I don’t think so though. Because FSU didn’t become a football power until the 80s and joined a conference pretty quickly.
Like I say, I know nothing about the topic but I remember these accusations regularly coming from the bar-stool prognosticators every time the basketball team suffered a thorough drubbing. I was busy being a novelty or a slap-in-daddy’s-face for ideologically addled coeds as a white boy at FAMU.
I remember being in the student section as we played FAMU. OU fans are truly obnoxious during the game. once we got over 50 points ahead we started chanting “We’re up by fifty!” with the number increasing every time we got another ten points ahead. We got up to “We’re up by ninety!” but didn’t wind up winning by that many.
Did you actually go to FAMU as a white guy? That must have been….interesting
Yup. Off and on from 1992 – 1995. It was awesome. I don’t recall much ethnic strife at all back then; we did have some very spirited discussions about Afrocentrism and depictions of Cleopatra popular on campus at the time but Tallahassee was very much a sleepy Southern town. there was one video store in the entire county that rented adult films (with a membership, behind a locked door) and the State Attorney (Willie Meggs) was always trying to get it shut down. When the topless truck stop Cafe Risque looked into opening a location on nearby I-10, the town went into a tizzy and passed an ordinance banning being topless that was so sloppily written and overbroad as to have prohibited sunbathing in a bikini.
Mine is a safe topic about which to snark: the mighty always fall.
Tennessee doesn’t belong in this discussion to the extent that they’re not in the top 25
or the next 25
or the 25 after that.
My plans over the last two decades were very different: I would have held onto Fulmer. Our record would still be 50/50, but we would have only been paying one coach all those years.
I would say that Rob O’Rourke went full retard, but then he’s already been there for a long time.
Everybody knows the outcome determines whether or not the election was fair.
The latest polls reveal this dude isn’t actually even that popular in Texas anymore.
I think after announcing he wants to confiscate rifles and raise the gun buying age to 21 his career as a politician in Texas is officially done.
Nah. He’ll get a cabinet post in the next Democratic administration. He did say “biblioteca” at the debates
voter suppression
“May we see your drivers license or other identification in order to verify that you are voting in the proper precinct?”
That kind of oppression?
Yes
U-N-L-V! U-N-L-V!
Unluv?
We weren’t hapless. We just fumbled all our haps.
Take away 1 bad call form the refs and we cover the spread!
I know how that feels.
I’ve worked a lot in Atlanta lately: still owed several lunches and cases of beer for our battle to the bottom a couple of openers ago.
Houston has a terrible defense but Jalen Hurts looked incredible.
It’s not as if Hurts was bad at Bama. He just wasn’t as good as Tua.
yes, and Houston’s defense is putrid, but I was surprised by how good his passing was.
And see, I don’t necessarily believe that Tua’s that much better if at all. I think he’s a fantastic college quarterback, don’t get me wrong, but something about him strikes me as psychologically brittle, if you see what I mean. He seems like he has a hard time getting back into the fight when his confidence is wounded.
The Houston D hasn’t changed much except the irreplaceable Ed Oliver.
Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?!?
My son’s an alum, and I think that Memphis might be the conference game of the year.
Now: back to pissing on any UCF love.
Great name for a chant when they’re on offense. “Put the Hurts on [opponent’s name].”
Also, DeT: The Knights are Golden!
Re Utah and BYU. In the last decade since both left the Mountain West Conference, they have taken different paths. While this is a factor of many things, no doubt the amount of money spent on the programs is a big factor.
And then stop and remember one is private and the other is a state school.
BYU was fine until Bronco Mendenhall left/was pushed out.
Although his record against Utah wasn’t all that great, which was a major reason why there was a faction among BYU fans who were happy to see him go.
True. Cut your nose to spite your face. My main point was that it seemed like the OMG Private school isn’t as focused on rah rah team as the public school
Syracuse did not look good against Liberty and I am worried about Maryland. Very worried!
Oh, Hiya Crusty! Long time, no talk. I haven’t said hello since you wandered on over so, hello.
Hello.
I think we won’t being hearing any more of ‘Cuse after the Terps.
I switched games once it was clear that Maryland was going hit 46 points by the half, but I had to keep reminding myself that it’s Howard, not Ohio State. Still, they looked very good. I think the new QB pick up was a good move and I think Locksley is a talented guy with something to prove. This Syracuse game will be the real indicator of the shape of the rest of the season.
Your lips to God’s ears!
/FEAR THE TURTLE!
I forgot to check. How did Cal do this weekend?
God, your internet really is for shit, isn’t it?
It comes and goes. Cable modem, so I have to share the bandwidth with my neighbors.
Turn off the WiFi to your sous vide.
I think I have an old AOL CD-ROM floating around I can float ya for awhile.
Notre Dame perennially over-rated
You could of started and stopped the article right there. 😉
My beloved Mizzou was prognosticated by the local sports idiots to go out and win ten plus games this year because the qb is Clemson’s castaway after getting that Lawrence kid. So of course, the immediately shit the bed against freaking Wyoming. That second quarter was one of the ugliest I’ve ever seen.
I disagree. They have the toughest schedule in college football year after year. I respect them far more than any SEC team with their cupcake weeks.
:Skeptical gaze:
He’s trolling.
Nah, they find ways to lose to cupcakes every year(Indiana is a recent one that comes to mind), and the SEC East has been crap outside of Georgia for several years now yet they still found ways to lose to South Carolina, Tennessee, and Florida consistently when they had no business doing so. Hell, they struggle with Vandy most of the time. I’m also pretty lukewarm on their coach Odom. He strikes me as passionate and a good recruiter but kinda dumb in the X’s and O’s department.
Oh well, I still have the Chiefs to root for, could be worse.
You could of started and stopped the article right there.
I’m in the middle. Notre Dame does play a great schedule, and they’re still over-rated.
I”m not gunning for anyone, but this is just homer bias:
a/ eastern time dominates the broadcasts and the folks who write and vote
b/ people believe in brands; they’re stuck on ND the way some truckers would drive Macks even if they had square wheels; simple confirmation bias
c/ a lot of sky daddy folks are of a certain brand ** shrugs **
If schadenfreude figures into this, it’s not that I get off on being mean to Catholics; it’s that I get off on being mean to folks who have no idea they reek of confirmation bias. Self love is a drug . . . . trust me: I know.
It’s not the Catholics; it’s the Southern Irish.
“a lot of sky daddy folks are of a certain brand ** shrugs **”
I LUV TOLERANCE! Come on, just go ahead and lapse into old HyR-speake…”Christfag”.
Its Don, he thinks he’s better than Christians, especially the Southern conservative kind. It’s kind of his shtick. I’d be offended except that I couldn’t scrounge up half a shit to give about his opinion of my faith. Instead, I just scroll past.
“Show us on the doll where the church lady touched you, Don.”
Thing is, I grew up with church ladies and beefy hypocritical Moral Majoritarians. I prefer them to their counterparts on the left – the screeching harpies and the scrawny hypocritical SJWs.
I thought their schedule last season was pretty soft, but this season they play some real teams. I thought Ohio State’s schedule looked a little light this season but there are some teams in that lineup that could go either way by the time the game comes around.
Iowa State always has trouble against UNI; the little brother seems to get up for the battle, and Iowa State plays too conservatively. Iowa State had their QB very restricted. The real test is against Iowa in 2 weeks (this week is a bye).
UNI is a solid FCS program — could probably beat a lot of lower and mid-ranked FBS schools.
If anything Utahs win over BYU only vindicated the view that they are a one trick pony. This is looking to be another 2015 season for them.
A win over BYU would be like shooting a 5.56mm group . . . with one bullet. should not be close, though
BYU tends to be surprisingly good, in the sense that they are competent, well conditioned, and accept “the system”. I mentioned this once to a guy from Georgia and he got upset and insisted I provide him with a single example of a “good” player coming from a school like BYU as if to make a point they automatically suck.
“Steve Young. Next question?”
I couldn’t blame the guy. That SEC indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
I see your Steve Young and raise you a Francis Tarkenton.
But I don’t disagree: self love and confirmation bias again.
That system thing and obedience really means a lot: to execute the 85% potential plan to a 100% degree perfection is the way to go to me in all things in life. Your Georgia buddy could have seen that up close for the past decade in Atlanta, of course.
All that said, you don’t want to raise against Tarkenton: that’s just a nice top card and UGA is nowhere near out of chips.
uga had Herschel. Which is the only reason they won a MNC in the last 75 years. And as good as running backs as they have had sense, Herschel aint walking in that door.
It has to hurt that all of their major rivals have won the title since them.
I’m not defending UGA so much. He was playing the an anecdotal card for BYU, and I’m just saying UGA has a lot more to show for it’s program that just a couple of guys. I’ll go to the Mizzou game at Athens, but it’s not a hill I’m getting shot at over.
You make a great point about hurt, and that’s part of the emotion I’m discussing. I for one don’t care about fans; anyone can buy a sweatshirt at Walmart. I’m more interested in the alumni and whether they can manage a dispassionate perspective on what’s going on. A&M, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Michigan alumni strike me as the kind of folks that think that in a 100 team league they still should win the championship every other year. ** shrug ** It’s a shame to see good coaches dismissed because they didn’t win it all or beat the rival every year.
As a numbers guy, I just look forward to going 5-3 in conference, but I don’t have many people to talk about. Lots of folks have asked NewWife how I took the Ga St loss, and it’s easy for her: he (me) doesn’t get too ramped up about wins or too down about losses. That’s because college football looks a lot more like coin flips than certainties to me.
I’m all about calling balls and strikes, so I tend to be quieter and more rational as an alumni or a fan. Watch this space: I’m thinking about writing an article here about gun accuracy and the ridiculous way most shooters characterize their guns and themselves; that kind of balls and strikes thing always pisses off someone.
I’m not defending UGA so much. He was playing the an anecdotal card for BYU.
Point of order: I explained to him why BYU was not exactly slouch, just a small school that plays above their level. He asked for anecdote.
BYU also has a national title since uga. Jim McMahon was a pretty good qb too. He won 1 more Super Bowl than Tarkenton.
All that said, you don’t want to raise against Tarkenton: that’s just a nice top card and UGA is nowhere near out of chips
You overestimate my ability to give a rats ass about college football. Its a sport I know just enough to be annoying.
Georgia fans still refuse to accept that Calvin Johnson chose Tech over them.
He has retired from the NFL and they are still pissed about it.
anecdotal: I’m married into UGA and therefore wade amongst their alumni constantly and for years and have never heard Johnson’s name uttered
Huh. Looks like you CAN use an anecdote…
Uh oh.
Poster sssBobbyr said yesterday that he was tying up his boat at Ocracoke Island.
“There is significant concern about hundreds of people trapped on Ocracoke Island,” Gov. Roy Cooper said. “There are rescue teams ready as soon as they can get in.”.
He can’t be trapped. He’s on a boat. He’ll be making money rescuing people. Ass/gas/grass…
OT:
We need to implement common sense title control, starting with draconian penalties for appending the word “engineer” onto any job where gross incompetence cannot result in a fatality.
I got an email from someone who’s title was “U.S. IT Executive Concierge Engineer.”
He had accidentally DL’d the entire company regarding the cell phone account from the guy who was CEO two CEOs before the current one.
Same for doctors. If you don’t work in a hospital, I Ain’t calling you doc.
I have told Ph.Ds who were obnoxious about being called “doctor” that if they wanted to insist on professional courtesy for academic achievement, then I would expect to be called “doctor” as well, since I, too, hold a doctorate degree. One guy even asked me, in a snotty tone, where I got my degree, When I told him, he lost interest in continuing the discussion.
Hitler University?
Miskatonic U?
Bob Jones University?
In all seriousness, in a hospital that’s stupid.
“Doctor, somebody is having a heart attach in the hallway!”
“I’m um…yeah….not that kind of Doctor.”
Sanitation Engineers have manage to kill a few people with their garbage trucks. So that counts right?
Necessary, not necessarily sufficient.
Let’s not dilute the brand. Diversity engineer, Outreach and Awareness engineering, Gender Classification Engineering.
I myself am an acrylic latex, oil based hybrid emulsion application engineer. You know, a painter.
**pictures trigger hippie with a ‘fro and denim shirt**
“Happy little trees. Happy little clouds.”
Wrong type of painter. Outside of custom colored stain applications I’m sorely lacking in artistic skill. Just a guy with a sprayer, brushes, frames and rolling trays.
*hurriedly reconsiders self-titling as “Front End Engineer”*
Bad design could certainly result in loss of eyesight and sanity…
So they’re no longer Czars.
The only issue I have with FSU is that I’ve unfortunately met some graduates from FSU
More sweet than smart.
“Washington St proved enough to come off my list”
Didn’t they drop a bunch too?
exactly
Over-ratedness is a moving target. I had them third-most over-rated before, then they come down in the rankings.
full-disclosure: FIL is an alum and a mechanical engineer (otherwise NewWife would have never gone for Date Two)
Commented in another thread a day or so ago, about democrat’s strange obsession with climate change during the debates, an issue which few Americans even consider an important issue.
But this pretty well sums it up.
The Sky is Falling!
“It’s really one of the tragedies of our age that so many anxious young people have been brainwashed into believing they live on the cusp of dystopia when, in fact, they’re in the middle of a golden age — an era with less war, sickness, poverty, and suffering than any in history.”
They’re seriously not even trying to win an election. Or they are even dumber than I imagined.
It’s just a lever for more power over the economy and eventually people. I doubt they really care or even believe their nonsense. The Obamas just paid $14 million for a house in an island that – if they were correct – will soon be underwater.
Well, sure, but the strange thing is, that’s not a way to get what they’re after. They have to relate to people. Most people care about a few things. Their job, their home, their kids, a little entertainment, some alcohol. People in general don’t give a fuck about these candidates grand illusions. As out of touch as Hillary was, this bunch is out of the solar system in comparison. They should have stuck with free shit, that was working. Telling people what they can have works. Telling them what they can’t have is not going to work.
But how will global warming effect sugar production?
Sugarcane plantations in Ohio. Sugar rations shall increase, comrades.
Well, it took all the sugar out of your link.
Tries to put sugar back in
Is anyone excited for the upcoming Army upset tomorrow?
Aren’t they the ones who always play the foozball with Navy? Our tour guide at the Naval Academy talked about that a lot. That’s the extent that I know of it. There was some goat like mascot though, and some cult ritual related to it, I remember that.
Back on topic. If we gotta talk about foozball, let’s talk about the league in which the big clowns are on the stage.
Witness the bizarre behavior of the Steeler’s former star wideout, Antonio Brown sort of pretending to want to play foozball in Oakland, but apparently more inspired to become the next wacko childlike Youtube star. WTF? If the media can be believed and at this point, as always, that’s in question, then this guy is making the antics of the likes of Terrel Owens and Chad Johnson, mere amateur hour on the insanity scale.
Antonio Brown is a strange one. Allegedly he’s a really normal, nice guy in person, but if you just looked at his social media antics you’d assume he was mentally ill.
I think he should have changed helmets years ago. Always seems to happen when the super-great receivers (or their QBs) lose a step. All of a sudden, they’re just standing there doing nothing on autograph day, and it hurts them.
https://observer.com/2019/06/koch-brothers-george-soros-patreon-airbnb-fight-online-extremism/
FTA:
“Representatives for the Charles Koch Institute and the Anti-Defamation League will join executives from tech companies which currently include Eventbrite, Mozilla, Pinterest, Patreon and Airbnb.
“Now more than ever is the time to create communities that value diversity, inclusivity and positive change,” Michael Signer, the former mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia and the founder and chair of the Communities Overcoming Extremism Project, said in a statement. “We’re excited to assemble with these forward-thinking tech leaders to explore what positive outcomes we can gain from an event full of powerful conversations.”
This past year, tech companies have cracked down on online extremism, often with mixed success. Last week, Vox reporter Carlos Maza accused Google’s YouTube of enabling harassment on its platform by allowing conservative media star Steven Crowder to insult him as a “lispy queer” to his 3.8 million followers. The campaign resulted in YouTube deciding to demonetize Crowder’s YouTube videos, though many progressive activists believed the company should have removed his page altogether.
The After Charlottesville Project is sponsored by Comcast NBCUniversal, the Kresge Foundation and the Soros Fund Charitable Foundation.”
Do you think that “cracking down on extremism” in social media would include banning people for mocking someone’s death? I hope not, because that shit was hilarious
You know who else died in a hilarious way?
The death wasn’t hilarious. Every death is a tragedy.
The scatter brained efforts to convince progs not to praise Koch’s death because he was woke by Reason and CATO writers was hilarious. They’ll celebrate their death too and it will be just as funny to me.
You can’t virtue signal beyond the grave.
I donno, when a bombmaker suffers premature detonation and is no longer able to carry out muder, it is kinda funny.
[Insert $5 a pill joke here]
But yeah, terrorists who score own goals don’t elicit much sympathy from me, or I suspect, many other people.
Mugabe, that was sort of funny.
“forward-thinking”
Not sure why, but anytime I hear that phrase, it immediately conjures up an image of some far left wacktard who is in no way in touch with reality.
I’m sure it’s fine. The Koch brothers and the ADL are involved. Those guys are solid and super smart, too
The “nine times out of ten” rule holds true
Four out of five dentists agree.
As do 9 out of 5 schizophrenics.
The past was full of icky dumb dumbies from dumb-town. No way we need to learn from them. No, we must always be forward looking.
Don’t look back. Something my be gaining on you. — Satchel Paige
we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
Can’t have a great leap forward without forward thinking, right?
*cough* green leap forward *cough*
*cough* NEW green leap deal forward *cough*
Thank you, kinnath.
That’s from June, it seems.
Charles Koch seems not to know that the progs are still going to despise him regardless.
I know. I stumbled upon it when I was reading about Daniel McAdams at the Ron Paul Institute being banned from Twitter after calling Sean Hannity “retarded”.
Either way, I’m looking forward to progs praising his death. That shit was hilarious. What made it funnier was all the CATO and Reason people saying “David Koch supported gay marriage and drug legalization. He wasn’t a conservative!” I mean, that, right there is why I laugh.
Wait until the queen crypt keeper takes the dirt nap and Trump appoints someone who’s libertarian compared to the last 2 and let’s see how funny they think THAT is. It will be a hoot I’m sure.
Nah. It’s going to be Amy Coney Barrett. It has to be. Conservatives won’t allow him to nominate anyone else.
Then the funny part will be watching lolbertarians defending Democrats pushing a religious test on the nominee. Reason and CATO completely ignored the religion test imposed on her in her last hearing before the Senate and pretended like it didn’t happen.
If you just assume the “nine times out of ten” rule, you’re never surprised.
“Nah. It’s going to be Amy Coney Barrett.”
If I remember correctly, a lot of folks here wanted her instead of Kavanaugh. I wasn’t really thrilled with that pick, but it’s far better than the horror we would have gotten from Hillary *shudder*
I guess. I’m not a big fan of Kavanaugh or Barrett, but I guess you’re right that it’s better than the alternative.
I just want Barrett to be nominated so we can get it out in the open that religious bigotry is actually OK in this country if it’s done by upper class white liberals.
I didn’t vote for Trump because of his proposed Muslim ban (which the Kochtopus railed against), but I noticed that a lot of people who had a problem with that had absolutely no problem with an explicitly illegal religious test imposed on a judicial nominee. It’s healthier that we all see that the “nine times out of ten” rule is very consistent.
It’s about time we had a Justice named after a snack food!
Being anti Catholic is the Democrat way.
As well as being anti-Christian in general and anti-Semite.
Well yes, but the anti-Catholic, anti-semetisim has been around since the 1870’s
So Jack Chick was a Democrat? I mean, we all knew most of the KKK members were probably Democrats (queue up “THE PARTIES SWITCHED!”).
“Now more than ever is the time to create communities that value diversity, inclusivity and positive change,”
The hypocrisy and euphemisms are so rampant that I have no idea if this means “open platforms” or “deplatform deplorables MOAR HARDER!!!”.
that value diversity, inclusivity and positive change
“No gun-toting, bitter, deplorable, clinger, bigots allowed.”
Best Time Line Ever
The Justice Department has opened an antitrust inquiry into the four major automakers that struck a deal with California this year to reduce automobile emissions, according to people familiar with the matter, escalating a standoff between President Trump, California and the auto industry over one of his most significant rollbacks of climate regulations.
. . . .
Now, the Justice Department is investigating whether the four automakers violated federal antitrust laws by reaching a side deal to follow California’s stricter rules, those people said. The Justice Department declined to comment on the investigation, which was initially reported by The Wall Street Journal.
Collusion!
What 4th Amendment?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/09/06/exclusive-feds-order-apple-and-google-to-hand-over-names-of-10000-users-of-a-gun-scope-app/
FYTW clause kicks in.
Muh thin blue line. Trump is the best on Guns!!
“The stakes are too high to allow politics to get in the way of Congress taking action to pass common sense gun safety legislation. I’ve cosponsored bills to close the gun show loophole, ban assault weapons, require background checks on anyone seeking to purchase a gun & more”
-T. Gabbard
I never claimed she was good on guns.
There are no democrats who are good on guns. And virtually no Republicans. Just because they’re mostly better than Democrats, doesn’t make them good. All gun regulations are unconstitutional period. Shall not be infringed. Anyone who will not come right out and say that, is not good on guns.
And I’ve never heard anybody claim that Trump was good on guns. Less bad than the alternatives? Sure. Objectively good? Never.
“Less bad than the alternatives? Sure. ”
I’m skeptical seeing as the alternatives have not accomplished much without his help.
One person cosponsored bills including AWB2.0 and de-facto elimination of private sales, participated in protests in support of gun control bills, and voted in favor of this abomination :
The other has said a few stupid things about red flag laws, hasnt held the DOJ with a tight enough leash and banned bump stocks.
I’m gonna go for the one who is being wishy washy over the one who wants to make me a felon.
You know who stops those things from becoming law?
McConnell, not Trump.
God bless that turtle
“, hasnt held the DOJ with a tight enough leash and banned bump stocks.”
Where I come from, executives are responsible for everything their organization does or fails to do. So he’s absolutely responsible. Whereas every “alternative” has been a pussy footing bills and getting nowhere. I’m not fooling myself into thinking that if they got the reigns of power they wouldn’t do anything, but as it stands every anti-gun move in this admin has been aided and abetted by Trump.
“Take the guns first and worry about due process later”
– D. Trump
That clip…
I think he was needling them about that, not proposing it and the media ran with it to piss off his base.
He banned bump stocks via executive order, so I’m not sure that this does not represent his own opinion
It was just another time he felt inclined to make Difi wet with anticipation.
Joking aside, he seems to spout off this kind of stuff periodically. I have taken to ignoring it and paying attention to actions taken, of which there have been none*.
*Bump-stocks notwithstanding.
Spoiler: The only reason why we do not have red flag laws on the federal level today is because Mitch McConnell refused to bring the Senate back in session while Trump was saying that we should explore “red flag laws”.
McConnell deserves more of our praise than Trump. I trust McConnell to hold the line (because he’s a smart politician who realizes how disastrous it would be for his caucus to approve gun control) far more than I do a president who spouts verbal diarrhea on a daily basis.
Some people support Tulsi because she is undoubtedly the most anti-war, pro-civil liberty candidate in the race.
Some of you voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 and 2016. Gary Johnson was SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Tulsi, but because she has a (D) after her name we’re supposed to pretend as if that’s not true.
Do you honestly believe that Gary Johnson would be some great defender of guns? I would wager that he would probably have ended up being worse than Trump, considering how willing Beltway Libertarians are to perform their duty as useful idiots when rich whites tell them to.
Voting for Gary Johnson, a man whose foreign policy was significantly more hawkish than Trump’s and who was praised by the Weekly Standard in 2012 for being such a hawk, is a more embarrassing vote than a vote for Tulsi
Gary Johnson was SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Tulsi
On some things (foreign policy, some civil liberties), not on others (just about everything else). Tulsi is pro-gun confiscation, pro-Green New Deal, pro-free shit, pro-taxes, etc. My impression is that she’s pretty much right down the line with the “democratic socialists” on a lot of issues. She’s the best of a bad bunch on the Dem side, but that’s definitely “tallest midget” stuff.
Gary Johnson endorsed a carbon tax, forced inoculation, blatant religious discrimination, the elimination of any semblance of freedom of association (at least for disfavored groups), and was indistinguishable from a neocon on foreign policy.
If you honestly believe that Johnson had any principle beyond “what’s popular at this moment?” then you we were obviously watching two separate campaigns. And that’s why Johnson was significantly worse than Tulsi, because he had ZERO principles.
You know where Tulsi stands- good, bad, and everything in between. I still have no idea what Johnson believes other than whatever CATO demands he believe this week for that sweet, sweet respectability.
Yeah, Johnson was worse. Much worse
Tulsi strongly supports net neutrality as a “cornerstone of our democracy”
Along with Senator Bernie Sanders and other Democratic leaders, Tulsi introduced Raise the Wage to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour by 2024
“The cost of a college education is unattainable for too many. We can guarantee #CollegeForAll by taxing Wall Street and investing in people.”
Tulsi’s aggressive OFF Fossil Fuels Act has been endorsed by over 400 national, state and local organizations, including Progressive Democrats of America, The Climate Justice Alliance, Food and Water Watch, People’s Action Institute, Indigenous Environmental Network, Blue Planet Foundation and National Nurses United
The OFF Act transitions the U.S. to 100% clean and renewable energy by 2035 and includes provisions to stimulate the economy and transition workers to jobs in the renewable energy sector
“I support the carbon neutrality goals of the Green New Deal and the awareness it has brought across the country on the critical issues of energy independence and the climate crisis, however, I do not support “leaving the door open” to nuclear power unless and until there is a permanent solution to the problem of nuclear waste. I believe we need to invest in 100% renewable and safe energy sources like wind, solar, and geothermal. I also support a ban on fracking, ending the $26 billion/year in fossil fuel subsidies, as well as all subsidies or waivers to the nuclear power industry, which should itself be completely responsible for paying for its own insurance and paying the long term cost for safe storage of nuclear waste over centuries. I will also work to provide other incentives for a renewable energy economy.”
Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act and serves on the Medicare for All Caucus
Tulsi believes that our present healthcare system is organized by and for the benefit of big insurance and pharmaceutical companies and not the American people, which must be changed
We pay far more in this country on healthcare costs than any other country in the world and get worse results. Far too many Americans in this country are sick and unable to get the care they need.
Tulsi is an advocate for women’s rights who is fighting to ensure women are on a level playing field in all areas of life, including both their personal and professional lives
Tulsi is committed to defending a woman’s right to choose and believes that the government has no place in making those decisions
Tulsi has a 100% voting record with both Planned Parenthood and NARAL
Tulsi strongly supports food self-sufficiency including working together to build food aggregation and distribution hubs that serve our farmers, distributors, and local communities to promote self sufficiency
The fact that she won’t warrantlessly obtain my bank records doesn’t mean much when my bank account is going to be emptied by her economy-killing commie shit.
Yeah, but she’s hawt. Trump should appoint her to his cabinet in his second admin.
If you remember, when he was first elected Tulsi was interviewed at Trump tower for a spot in the cabinet. I imagine that she declined the offer. Most likely because the cabinet post was probably something inconsequential like Secretary of Veteran Affairs
Like I said: “You know where Tulsi stands- good, bad, and everything in between. I still have no idea what Johnson believes other than whatever CATO demands he believe this week for that sweet, sweet respectability.”
The idea that somehow a person with principles who is wrong on a host of issues (and I completely agree that she is dangerously wrong on a host of those issues), but is exceptionally principled and right on the issues that she would have the most impact on while in office (foreign policy and civil liberties) is somehow beyond the pale, but a man like Johnson or Trump who are not principled on any issue (I’ll grant that Trump has some vague principles on foreign policy and trade) but momentarily are right on some issues are somehow better makes little to no sense to me.
Tulsi sucks. The alternatives offered from all other parties are significantly worse, especially since they are unprincipled squish who are bound to disappoint you even on the issues that they are momentarily correct about.
but is exceptionally principled and right on the issues that she would have the most impact on while in office
Fool me once, shame on Obama. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I would be pleasantly shocked if Tulsi could even just move the needle on the 4th amendment. Most due process sensitive congress critters seem to become “pragmatic” after the abuses start accruing to their own benefit.
Foreign policy-wise is where she stands out ahead of the pack. Would I trade my guns and money for a more sensible foreign policy? No way in hell.
Tl;dr of my opinion: I can’t understand how people prefer the honest authoritarian over the squishy populist.
Because the squish is a tyrant too. He’s just fooled you into believing that he’s not. We would have red flag laws at the federal level today if it were not for Mitch McConnell. We’d probably even have a carbon tax too.
Again, for the life of me I cannot understand how anyone could vote for Gary Johnson and then turn around and criticize someone else for supporting Tulsi, as if Johnson didn’t have extremely authoritarian policies as well. And as if Johnson wouldn’t be pressured into taking even more authoritarian positions.
You can 25% Ron Paul or you can have 90% Chuck Schumer. Whatever you choose, but if you go for 90% Chuck Schumer you can’t turn around and criticize someone for choosing 25% Ron Paul.
“Tl;dr of my opinion: I can’t understand how people prefer the honest authoritarian over the squishy populist”
I totally understand that opinion. The problem is that I don’t think it’s Either your an populist or an authoritarian. Trump is absolutely a pen and phone authoritarian in the style of Obama.
cannot understand how anyone could vote for Gary Johnson
Me either. I didn’t vote last presidential election because the only way to win was not to play.
The idea that somehow a person with principles who is wrong on a host of issues (and I completely agree that she is dangerously wrong on a host of those issues), but is exceptionally principled and right on the issues that she would have the most impact on while in office (foreign policy and civil liberties)
Foreign policy, sure. How is she going to pen-and-phone us better protections for civil liberties, though? You think the Deep State is going to bend the knee to her and give up their tools and toys because she’s a D? I don’t. You think a Dem Congress, or a split Congress, is going to reverse the course they have held for generations and legislate us better protections for civil liberties? I don’t.
Its her principles that scare the shit of me, outside of the areas you have identified. If she really is a True Bleever in what she campaigns on, frankly I’d prefer somebody unprincipled and opportunistic.
The crazy thing is that people actually believe that Apple and Google didn’t already hand over this information? Of course they did. That’s why they had no comment on this story.
You don’t get virtue signal points for defending a bunch of gun owners
“The crazy thing is that people actually believe that Apple and Google didn’t already hand over this information?”
And that they had to demand it.
I suspect that Apple and Google asked them to file the suit to get the info. They were probably willing to hand it over to them, but they knew the story would eventually get out. So, instead they had a show trial. Nothing they can do, you see.
This here.
oh: I thought this was coming out later in the day
guess I’ll scroll up and find out what I got wrong
Something something sportsball. My fantasy team got off to a shit start this week.
The founder of Papa John’s has donated $1 million to a historically black college in Kentucky after more than a year of backlash for his use of a racial slur.
The one he ‘used’ while explaining what someone else had said. This is like Trump’s “fine people white-supremacists” lie that will not die.
Because his real crime was noting how the protests had effected his bottom line. Trump’s crime was winning election. Everything else is just window dressing to justify the outrage, ex post facto.
“My fantasy team got off to a shit start this week.”
You picked AB, didn’t you?
And his QBs are Andrew Luck and Mitch Trubiski.
Well, he’s right fucked now.
Probably one of the worst QB combinations you could have picked this season
No…Aaron Rogers…
And Cousins…
#metoo
Context is for fascists and Rushun BoTs!!!!!11!!1
So… for all of us?
It might be a lie, but I’ll still laugh at this.
https://youtu.be/7IIASd-Cnxo
I’m having a turkey sammich, with butter and red currant jelly. Delicious. Will make again.
That sounds delicious. May I be so bold as to suggest cranberry sauce in place of the J in a PBJ sammich.
We just had a series of thunder storms come through. When the subcontractor cut back the soffits for the new roof over the patio, they didn’t cover the openings with plastic. I now have water coming into the family room through the windows, molding and under the wall. There are water bulges under the windows. They will have to redo the entire wall. To a lesser extent, it came through the door in the bedroom that opens onto the patio.
So how’s everybody else’s day going?
Better than yours
Walked/ran 6.2 miles this morning. Lovely morning for it, 72 degrees and overcast. Started raining lightly around an hour ago. Still dark and overcast. Besides that, I’m still working and have no beer. Boo! But no indoor floods anyway, so that’s good.
My soffits held up against the rain, so I’m doing better than that.
That’s the problem, there are no soffits but there is a six inch opening into the attic that extends all the way around the patio.
I understood that. I’m saddened that your air soffits were not up to the task and your wall has been damaged.
Can you recover anything from the contractor? Even an appology?
They’re already here. Openings are covered and they’re already removing dry(wet) wall.
Ah, I hope the rest of the work goes well.
Wow. Well, I’ll just say that you don’t seem to have lost your shit entirely and flown into a homicidal rage, so you’re handling the situation much better than I would be right now.
I’ve gotten to get up early to write up a timeline for an AM to put together into a RCA document for something that’s outside of our company’s contractual support, but got broken by something the company we support did. It’s still down, because no one can log into the server. At the same time one call center has been having sporadic network issues (not supported by us), which causes issues with the phone system (supported by us). I’m now going to see how many more TLA’s I can appropriately fit into this rant without needing to CMA.
Oh well, cycling tomorrow, football Sunday. Hopefully the weekend is going to be better.
Yikes.
Sorry, dude. No home disasters like water ones.
I’m doing really well. Thanks for asking.
Congrats on the raise!
Also, sorry for Evan, and good luck ToK. I think that covers all Glibs currently seeking new opportunities.
Thanks, BP.
Gonna do this tomorrow:
http://thecheesetour.com/
72 miles of driving through the woods with stops for cheese and beer? Don’t mind if I do!
🙁
Five dairies/creameries in Washington County and VT, a farm brewer and a vineyard.
Considering I can only include two links, I’m mostly looking forward to
https://www.moxieridgefarm.com/ Heritage pork finished on acorns? Hells to the yes — as long as I don’t have to buy half hogs or greater.
http://www.considerbardwellfarm.com/
Wegmans Food Markets
✔
@Wegmans
There’s nothing more important than the safety of our customers & employees. The sight of someone with a gun can be alarming, and we don’t want anyone to feel that way at Wegmans. For this reason, we prefer that customers not openly carry firearms into our stores.
To people who have been raised to be hoplophobes. So you aren’t helping.
The only times I’ve felt unsettled by someone open carrying it was because they were either drunk or a cop.
On a deployment in the Marines – some of our Corpsmen made us feel uncomfortable. First we took away their ammo which was a relief. Then, after several misplaced guns, we just took the guns away too and everyone was happier.
Your corpsemen were irresponsible firearms operators?
Uh yeah. These were Navy Reservists. Several were EMTs or Nurses in civilian life and we trusted those guys to keep us alive – but their firearms skills were shit. Marines look out for their Docs, so none of those incidents ever officially happened and nobody was ever punished.
As the Radio Operator on the Air Team I worked with those guys a lot. They saved the lives of a lot of wounded Iraqis and the limbs of at least one Marine.
Why do you hate our Hero First Responders®?
“we don’t want anyone to feel that way at Wegmans”
But we aren’t going to foot the bill for your security when you visit either.
Instead we want you to cower in fear when someone bad does come in because you will only have the cops to save you.
Throw soup cans at them?
There’s nothing more important than the safety of our customers & employees. The sight of someone with a gun can be alarming,
That goalpost moved so fast, we may have to go to slow-motion video.
When a customer freaks out and gets the store SWATted, that endangers everyone. Except the freaky-outer unfortunately.
Resuming our conversation from this morning, it’s shit like this that makes me think they could be liable. They say saftey is the Paramount thing. But then do nothing to actually keep customers safe. I get Tweets aren’t legal documents, but I think it could be argued that they are falsely providing claims of saftey.
OT: A classic South Park memo
The sight of someone with a gun can be alarming, and we don’t want anyone to feel that way at Wegmans.
Maybe the cure for that is more people with guns, not fewer.
“See? That guy bought a loaf of bread and did not shoot a single customer. That guy over there, ordering roast beef at the deli counter; he poses no threat to you. Get ahold of yourself.”
There was a time not too long ago when people argued that the site of a black man was alarming to respectable white women.
When I was in Arizona, I went into McDonald’s, and one of the customers standing in line had a revolver in a belt holster, old west style. I immediately started crying and ran out of the store in terror. Oh, wait, no I didn’t. I stood in line, made my order, and left without incident.
I’ve mentioned it to people, and they usually say something like “OMG, were you scared?” Hell no, I’ve never felt safer in a McDonald’s.
McDonalds? I’ve seen that in the Apple Store at Scottsdale Quarter.
Apple store? I’d rather be shot.
A long time ago, one of my friends in Arizona needed to stop at the bank. He had his intern from Chicago in the car. As they pulled into the parking lot of the bank, they watched a guy ride a horse over the open range up to the bank (this was on the edge of the newly developed part of Phoenix). The guy rode into the parking lot and “parked” his horse in one of the spots. He then walked into the bank with a revolver on his hip.
The intern freaked. “We need to call the police, someone is robbing the bank”. It took my friend a couple of minutes to get the intern to calm down.
What color was the guy’s hat?
It took my friend a couple of minutes to
get the intern to calm downstop laughing.Speaking of UGA: NewWife’s birthday is Monday, so I’m sneaking away to shop a while.
She wants a new set of golf clubs (your size though). honest, she messaged me.
she’s right
40 front
50 back
this morning
how could that happen
All aboard the crazy-train.
Being the shrewd lawyer she is, Harris also said the government must take action to reduce Americans’ red meat consumption. Yes, that’s a pressing federal issue and certainly the type of government action the framers contemplated at the Constitutional Convention in 1787.
Andrew Yang, when the time is right, might ban commercial air travel. He also mentioned the possible confiscation of gas vehicles and refused to rule out making electric cars mandatory. Suggested Democrat campaign slogan: “Vote for us and we’ll lead you back to the Stone Age — a time of environmental sensitivity and equal income distribution.”
Elizabeth Warren crusaded against straws, and cheeseburgers, too. Why would Trump focus on economic growth, spreading wealth and reducing unemployment for all Americans when he could prioritize their nutrition awareness? Republicans should be ashamed of their obvious indifference to the federal government’s proper role in our dining decisions — and federally mandated exercise, for that matter. Now I know what Democrats mean when they say we don’t care. Indeed, Bernie Sanders is right to advocate curbing population growth. Capping population will facilitate economic malaise, thus ending the rich’s stranglehold on all that stuff they want their voters to covet.
Warren also favors a new carbon tax. Duh. Pretty soon she’ll get on board and propose a tax on economic growth as well. Oh, wait, that’s essentially the Democratic Party platform, so that would be superfluous, so let me retract that. But Warren’s proposal is anemic compared with Joe Biden’s plan to shut down all electricity generated by coal power, which amounts to about 27 percent. Then again, Uncle Joe has got to do something to steal attention from these newbies. You’d think his being on a first-name basis with Barack would clinch the nomination for him, but leftist Obama is no longer considered radical enough by the extremists choreographing this Democratic insanity. Now think about that for a sobering minute.
Is it just me or could David Duke run for office and get elected over these clowns?
FEE pointing out one the issues I had with The Boys.
Huh, yeah, that’s a good point. I’d only half paid attention to the show, but that is a big hole in the plot.
“handled Vandy”
I once knew a girl who could really handle Vandy.
Liv Ullmann as Vandy’s Bride?
“Such willful and easily disproved misrepresentation of the intent of the Second Amendment. It was to ensure the existence of a privately armed militia at a time when the federal government could not afford to maintain a standing army. Purpose has been obsolete for a long time.”
Other problems regarding the wrongness of this position aside, technically the federal government is only allowed to raise and maintain an army for a 2 yr period. But affordability is an interesting angle taken by gun-grabbers. It also demonstrates even more that they do not understand about the US government and and founding of the country.
I saw this in the morning links. I didn’t know it was possible to be that wrong.
…AND a Navy. Constitutionally speaking we can raise and Army temporarily and a Navy. The Air Force on the other hand….
I believe it says raise and maintain a navy in perpetuity. And I would probably classify the air force under that provision as well.
I am joking, I thought it was well established that I was Air Force. I have failed to be funny….if you would excuse me….
I really can’t contribute to this conversation, as I am stuck with the Gilded Rodents.
Who nearly lost to the Jackrabbits.
Ski-U-Bah.
Better than the sad trains, who blew a 20 point lead to effing Nevada.