Profiles in Toxic Masculinity, Part 6
Appearances Can Be Deceiving
The young fellow to the right looks like nothing more than a young man from some time ago, a rash, devil-may-care young guy of a sort we’ve all encountered. Probably a good kid to share a cold beer with; a young guy with little more on his mind than finding a job, buying a car, maybe finding a girl.
What this young fellow became, though, is much more than that. This is one of the few photos from the youth of Roy Benavidez, a great hero, a Medal of Honor awardee, and one of the Vietnam War’s most outstanding soldiers. Say what you will about the Vietnam conflict, but any such scrap yields both villains and heroes; Roy Benavidez is absolutely one of the latter.
His Maculate Origin
Raul Perez “Roy” Benavidez was born on August 5th, 1935, near Cuero, Texas. He was the son of Salvador Benavidez, a farmer, and Teresa Perez, a Yaqui Indian. Young Roy’s life was not an easy one, as his father Salvador died when young Ro was only two; his mother remarried but also died five years later. Benavidez lost both of his parents to a disease not often seen today: Tuberculosis. On the death of his mother, Benavidez and his younger brother moved to El Campo, Texas, to live with his grandfather and an aunt and uncle.
The young Benavidez wasn’t one to shy away from work. He did shy away from schooling, dropping out at age 15, but he was a worker; he shined shoes at the EL Campo bus station, worked on farms on the West Coast, and eventually returned to El Campo to work in a tire shop. In 1952, he joined the Texas National Guard; in 1955, he joined the active Army as a medic. It was this change that finally have the young man a career – and considerably more than that.
His Adventurous Career
Not one to shy away from a challenge, the new soldier from El Campo volunteered for Airborne training and, on completing that, was assigned to the 82nd Airborne at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina.
In 1965, Sergeant Benavidez was sent to South Vietnam. There he was assigned, as many Special Forces types were in those days, as an adviser to the Army of the Republic of Vietnam – working with, as U.S. Forces called them, “Marvin the ARVN.” His luck was not good; one day on a patrol, SGT Benavidez stepped on a mine.
His injuries were severe. Benavidez was evacuated to the Army’s Brooke Army Medical Center at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas, where doctors assured him he would never walk again, and began processing his discharge papers. Sergeant Benavidez decided “f**k that” and decided, in typically tough Special Forces fashion, that he would not only walk again but would resume his Army career; through sheer force of will, he did so.
Against doctor’s orders, the determined NCO would crawl out of bed after lights out each night. Dragging himself with his elbows and chin to a wall, he would leverage himself upright, a little further each night, pushing through pain that he admitted left him in tears but was preferable to not walking. He eventually stood, then walked. In July 1966, he walked out of the hospital and, despite continual pain from his barely healed wounds, volunteered to return to Vietnam. Pain from old wounds notwithstanding, Sergeant Benavidez took his career to the next level and volunteered for Special Forces training, which he completed successfully; on his assignment to the 5th Special Operations Group, he sought and was granted assignment to the elite Studies and Observations Group. In January 1968, his long sought-after orders came through, and he was back in-country.
Roy Benavidez has already shown himself to have great big balls of solid titanium. But his biggest test was yet to come. On May 2, 1968, six hours of action would present (then) Staff Sergeant Benavidez with the necessity of putting his training and courage to the test.
His One-Man War
On the day in question, a patrol of twelve soldiers, consisting of three U.S. Special Forces advisors and nine Montagnard tribesmen, stumbled into an entire battalion of North Vietnamese infantry, numbering around a thousand men.
The patrol called for help. The first attempt at rescue was not successful; several helicopters returned from the first effort with wounded crewmembers and severe damage. Another effort was quickly assembled. Among those at the Forward Operating Base at Loc Ninh who hurried to react was Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez, who scrambled onto a helicopter with his medic’s aid bag and a combat knife – no other weapon, not even so much as a pistol. He did have his dedication and his adamantine courage, which would prove to be enough.
On arrival in the middle of a firefight, SSG Benavidez soon realized that all of the Special Forces team members were either KIA or too badly wounded to move to the extraction point. Benavidez directed the pilot of the helicopter he was in to drop him in a small clearing; he then ran 75 meters under heavy fire to the besieged team’s positions.
During the 75-meter run, Benavidez was hit three times, in the face, the head and in the right leg. But that wasn’t about to stop him. He took charge of the team, directing those still capable of firing to cover the landing of the dustoff helicopter. He threw smoke grenades to cover the withdrawal and, under intense fire, dragged half of the team members to the helicopter. When it proved impossible to move the remaining team members, Benavidez picked up a rifle and, shouting to the helicopter’s crew to move to the remaining team members, ran alongside the bird and directed suppressive fire at the North Vietnamese troops.
Finally, the entire team was loaded aboard the slicks. Benavidez wasn’t done; he completed one last sweep of the area, retrieving classified papers from the dead team leader’s body even as the enemy fire intensified. At one point a North Vietnamese soldier rushed him, striking Benavidez with his bayonet; Benavidez killed the NV with his combat knife and continued the mission.
Finally, suffering from thirty-seven wounds and severe blood loss, Staff Sergeant Benavidez allowed himself to be dragged into the last helicopter, finally allowing the extraction team to un-ass the area, still under heavy fire. Sergeant Benavidez’s wounds included seven “major” gunshot wounds, twenty-eight fragment wounds, and slashes to both arms from the bayonet attack. The fragment wounds were in his head, scalp, shoulder, buttocks, feel and legs; his right lung was collapsed, he had been struck in the back of the head with a rifle butt and a 7.62 round had hit him in the back and exited just under his heart. His actions on that day were credited with saving the lives of eight members of the twelve-man Special Forces team.
Back at Loc Ninh, a doctor, believing Benavidez dead, ordered him placed in a pile of body-bagged corpses, until Benavidez mustered the strength to spit in the doctor’s face. Since dead men don’t spit, Sergeant Benavidez was once again evacuated to the States, where he spent a year recovering from his wounds.
During his recovery, General William Westmoreland visited Sergeant Benavidez, presenting him with the Distinguished Service Cross. The commander of the 5th, Special Forces, LTC Ralph Drake, had put Benavidez in for the Medal of Honor, but one of the requirements for that award is an eyewitness; all the eyewitnesses for many of Sergeant Benavidez’s heroism were dead.
Years later, however, an eyewitness surfaced. One Brian O’Connor, who had been a radioman on the Special Forces team, had been evacuated to the States and since moved to Fiji. Benavidez had thought O’Connor killed in action, but after reading an account of Benavidez, O’Connor wrote a ten-page account of the events of May 2nd, 1968.
Finally, on February 24th, 1981, Master Sergeant Roy Benavidez was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, placed on him by President Ronald Reagan, who commented that “…if the story of his heroism was a move script, you would not believe it.” You can read the full citation here.
His Golden Years
Roy Benavidez retired from the Army in 1976 and returned home to El Campo. He spent his retirement wisely, traveling the country speaking to young people about the importance of staying in school and completing their education. He was in wide demand as a speaker, but favored military audiences, where the example of his Medal of Honor was particularly inspiring; meeting an NCO whom generals salute first isn’t something that happens every day.
Side note: This profile has some additional meaning to me, as I had the distinct honor of shaking Roy Benavidez’s hand once. When I was attending Advance Individual Training at the old 91A school at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas, Master Sergeant (Retired) Benavidez had come to the post to speak to some of the classes. He later toured the training area where my company was doing some hands-on training. He spoke to every soldier and shook a lot of hands. We had heard he would be on post, who he was and what he had done, so we were pretty excited; I remember shaking his hand, he looked at me very seriously and said, “Keep it up, we need medics.”
It was a considerable thrill and a hell of an honor. Men like MSG Benavidez don’t come around every day.
Master Sergeant (Retired) Raul Perez Benavidez died on November 29, 1998, at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, and was buried with (well-deserved) full military honors at the Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery. I had just left my third stint on active duty in the Army not quite two years earlier and was saddened to learn of MSG Benavidez’s passing at the untimely age of 63. The Army, like any other large institution, has many examples that young people can learn from, both good and bad; Roy Benavidez was certainly a good one.
I read these accounts and wonder how someone is even standing after having taken so many injuries.
If it were fiction, no one would believe it.
It is no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.
– Samuel Clemens
President Ronald Reagan, who commented that “…if the story of his heroism was a move script, you would not believe it.”
Damn straight. What an incredible badass. This is what an actual hero looks like.
As with many sayings, it originated with Shakespeare:
Great writeup Animal – but didn’t the first medevac helicopter he came in on get shot down – and then he had to rescue the wounded folks from that helicopter before calling in another chopper?
Might be mixing up incidents. This guy was a legend. (He was on the wall at MI AIT in Huachuca – guess as an MI Corps guy at the time).
Good video with Benavidez himself talking too: https://vimeo.com/103154057
I know for a fact I could not do what that man did. That is absolutely amazing.
He’d have probably said the same thing, before he did it.
From my guy.
Impressive.
Nice. Thanks for that. It would be interesting to know if humility was a trait common among the MoH laureates.
Wow, that’s an amazing story.
Thanks Animal.
Humbling and awe-inspiring. At the same time, I (vainly?) hope we have no more occasion to create such heroes in war.
“speaking to young people about the importance of staying in school and completing their education”
Stay in school or you’ll be wounded at least 37 times.
Well…
Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
He died of complications from diabetes at the age of 63?!?
Come on, VA. Ridiculous.
No one ever dies from simplifications.
This is why we need Medicare for all.
/sarc
NVA couldn’t get him, but the TexMex did.
Hell of a story Animal. Thank you.
Great piece, Animal. His name was new to me, so thank you for sharing
Now for a profile in lack of masculinity…
Senator Mitt Romney✔
@SenatorRomney
The President’s decision to abandon our Kurd allies in the face of an assault by Turkey is a betrayal. It says that America is an unreliable ally; it facilitates ISIS resurgence; and it presages another humanitarian disaster.
How nice of you to whey in, but don’t you have more carpetbagging to attend to?
And if Trump had said this, Mitt would be damning him for smearing our (nominal) Turkish allies.
There is nothing braver than regurgitating the same talking point of “we can’t cut and run” that has been deployed every time the US is engaged in an illegal and unpopular conflict that it’s lost. Maybe if we fund ISIS harder it might help?
Yes, Mitt, by all means let’s keep sticking our collective dick in that syphilitic whore known as the Middle East.
Wow. Well said.
ISIS is the problem of Syria, Iraq, and Turkey. The Kurds were fighting Iraq because they are gunned up to defend themselves from Syria, Iraq, and Turkey, and those nations neglected their sovereign responsibilities to protect their residents from ISIS. In reality, I suspect they were quite pleased that ISIS went after the Kurds, because they all of them hate the Kurds.
The Kurds were fucked 100 years ago when they weren’t given their own country after The Great Middle East Shake-Up following WWI. We’re not unfucking that without a war with Syria, Iraq, and Turkey. Not gonna happen. Sucks to be the Kurds, but what sucks about it is not our doing and not our responsibility to fix.
The Kurds were fighting
IraqISIS because they are gunned upBingo
They’ve been screwed since Sykes-Picot. It’s not getting fixed unless we intend to occupy the entire region permanently.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a conflict where the “we can’t cut and run” talking point less sense. We were funding and arming ISIS and then were funding and arming their opposition when they invaded Iraq. In essence, we created the genocide in that country via ISIS and then turned around and had the Kurds dispatch them.
Us staying in Syria then means what exactly? Should we found and fund another radical Islamic group to oust Assad or what exactly do they want done here?
Can’t we just call it decolonization and leave? It worked for the British and French.
They’re going to blame us for their problems either way.
https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/gabbards-stop-arming-terrorists-act-introduced-senate
Reminder there was a bill in 2017, proposed by Tulsi and supported by Massie and Rand (you shouldn’t be surprised that Amash did not co-sponsor it if you’ve been paying attention) forbidding the US from arming ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Al-Nusra Front.
Congress refused to even vote on it
Are we gonna go to war with Turkey? No, then shut up. Yes? Well, don your rifle and uniform, Mittens.
If we started a conflict with Turkey, Mittens would have the obvious response “It’s unconscionable for us to fight with our steadfast NATO ally, Turkey”. This is calvin ball neocon style. Heads you lose, tails I win. No matter what, the troops must never leave.
Thanks for nuthin’. Reading your comment after the article reminded me of a cadence, “…grab your weapon and follow me, I am field artillery..” and its gonna be in my head all afternoon.
/basic at Ft. Sill.
Great article, Animal
God bless FT Sill.
Lawton, not so much,
But, the strip bars are all-nude, and we bought beer by the gallon in old milk jugs
/thinks back to being 18 again…..
What a Gosh Awful town.
Spent a lot of time in the Lawton Airport traffic pattern. Aux field for Sheppard.
How nice of you to whey in…
They’re a different kind of curd.
At least someone got the joke.
How nice of you to whey in
If “whey in” isn’t already a euphemism for a man broadcasting his pussilanimous opinion in the most passive aggressive way possible, it should be.
It says that America is an unreliable ally
Turkey and The Kurds.
One of those groups is in an actual defensive pact with the United States and it ain’t who Romney is talking about. If Romney is worried about our reliability as an ally I’d expect him to be cheering on the Turks.
One of those groups is in an actual defensive pact with the United States
That probably needs changing.
For sure. I just think Romney’s comment is funny given the reality of the situation. I don’t want to be allied with the Turks at all, but saying we need to dismantle NATO would break poor mittens heart.
Of course Mitt’s right. And if we defend the Kurds, the same could be said for betraying our ally the Turks.
Ain’t being the world’s cop grand?
Thank you Animal. I was already smiling when I saw who today’s profile was on the front page.
If I had my druthers, I’d have Basic Training barracks plastered with MoH citations. The one for Gordon (& nearly identical one for Shughart) stayed with me since I first read them.
https://themedalofhonor.com/medal-of-honor-recipients/recipients/gordon-gary-somalia
I was lucky enough to meet MSG B in 1986. Our battalion commander LTC James “Nick” Rowe knew him. (Nick Rowe was another SF badass and the only man to escape as a Vietnamese POW- after five years of captivity. By coincidence MSG B was on FT Bragg and spoke to us the morning of our graduation from the Special Forces Qualification Course. It was humbling and inspiring to be in the same room as those two men.
I read his book last year. “Five Years to Freedom”.
I read Nick Rowe’s bio and escape. I didn’t know he had stayed in the Army. Tough guys. Those same kind of guys are still in the Army/Military but unless they perform in the MoH scope we never hear about them. Thanks, Animal, for reminding us. School crossing guards aren’t heros.
On the day in question, a patrol of twelve soldiers, consisting of three U.S. Special Forces advisors and nine Montagnard tribesmen, stumbled into an entire battalion of North Vietnamese infantry, numbering around a thousand men.
“We were always taking long walks, and we was always looking for a guy named “Charlie”.”
meeting an NCO whom generals salute first
One of our more awesome military traditions.
Damn…
Thanks, Animal. Great story. People like Roy Benavidez are all too rare in this day and age, which is a great pity. For we need them by the thousand.
Seems like wunnathem White Hispanics.
Excellent, Animal. You really honored the man. Thanks.
Men like MSG Benavidez don’t come around every day.
That is truth. When I was a teenage yeti, my boss invited me to lunch with a few of his buddies to meet a MOH recipient named Rick Pittman.
Being a youngster I pretty much just sat and listened to the stories, but I was struck at the time how normal he seemed. I was expecting Rambo and got Mr. Rogers. He was extremely nice to this young punk and I will always remember how fortunate I was to hang out with him for a couple hours.
His citation.
Thank you for that, Animal. Very moving and inspiring. I’m glad you got to meet him.
OT: Change you can believe in!
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/nearly-12k-illinois-educators-have-stopped-paying-a-teachers-union/
[unzips]
“You would hope that they start to focus on things that actually matter more in the day-to-day and long-term needs of the profession. You could be for or against [a political cause], that’s fine. But what does that have to do with teaching? What does it have to do with how you make a living or the environment you work in? Nothing. So you would hope that over time they would start to steer away from that sort of thing and start to think pragmatically.”
Wait… Unions have a purpose other than grifting and fomenting political movements regardless of the impact on their members?
Unfortunately, focusing on “the day-to-day and long-term needs of the profession” just means “demanding more money”.
I.e. still politics.
And I might hope that the first thing on your mind is the students, not your profession. But here we are.
In 2017, the union received dues and fees from 101,046 employees in Illinois. In 2018, that number fell to just 94,229, meaning nearly 7% of educators represented by IFT in 2017 were no longer paying the union by the end of 2018.
7% hostile to the idea of public-sector unions feels about right.
I believe I got to see him talk a couple of times. Very inspiring. His story always chokes me up.
The Skins Made Jay Gruden Come To The Office At 5 A.M. To Get Fired
Of all of the terrible things about the Redskins, why would this register any outrage at all?
Who in their right mind would want to work for Dan Snyder?
Am I getting more than a million dollars a year? Because I would.
I saw this coming, but did they really expect to beat New England?
Offensive line coach Bill Callahan will be the new interim head coach
Did he start preparing his Resume and packing his stuff too? Only a matter of time before he gets let go too.
He took over for a Gruden once before. That was a lot better team that ran off into the ditch.
Why would he even bother showing up since he knew it was a firing anyway?
Not showing up would have been super unprofesio-
OT but 2A related:
Lawmaker Wants To Make Gun-Free Zones Liable If Someone Hurt
I like it.
/shocked face
This is one of those “I need to think harder about this” ideas. It’s emotionally satisfying, but what happens when it’s applied to the 1st amendment (or baking cakes)
Yeah I’m with you.
I certainly get miffed at the idea that businesses outsource all security to the cops. If you wan’t to get a loiterer to move along, then hire some of your own damn security.
I also think a person should be able to hold their property and be able to do what they want with it. I’d have too look at it more and see. I know that Homeowners/Property Owners can be held liable for injuries that occur on their property, though i’m not sure what the parameters on that are.
Oh yeah, I’m sure there are plenty of gotchas, but it’s worth discussing.
“but what happens when it’s applied to the 1st amendment (or baking cakes)”
The last one is already happening and the first one will come about whether this happens or not (and don’t be surprised when the same people who totally love free speech “evolve” on that topic too).
The evolution is coming. Per that other place:
Let’s engage the debate on free speech on purely utilitarian terms instead of on first principles. That’s going to work out great.
I can’t help but notice that neither claim in that first sentence is true.
It wouldn’t be a Robby article without a glaring qualifier.
To be sure.
“cede all the contentious points to the progs, and then try to build a utilitarian argument using the scraps”
/totally not in it for the cocktail parties
Exactly the point I meant to make. It’s a pathetic attempt at debating the topic. I half think Soave intended to be novel, but in trying he failed miserably at winning the argument.
That jumped out at me too.
I’m sure they got very creative with how they classified violence committed by Islamic extremists. Fort Hood was “workplace violence”. I’d guess that the Pulse nightclub shooting was filed under “right-wing” since it was against gays.
Also, I bet their dataset begins on September 12th, 2001.
“Also, I bet their dataset begins on September 12th, 2001.”
It always does.
And they don’t include the killings in the US where the assailant pledged allegiance to ISIS, because they weren’t acting on behalf of ISIS, which you would think would undercut their whole white supremacy panic, but being disingenuous is how you get that Koch cash.
N.B. most of these “far right white nationalists” are actual “lone wolf” actors without any connection to each other. Much like the guy who posthumously joins al Qaeda, there is not a lot of organizing going on here.
Most of them are Aryan Brotherhood murders in prison over drug deals.
Please someone just post the inevitable “Trump is Wrong to Pull Out of Syria, Because Orange Man Bad”.
I need to be reminded of the moral bankruptcy of white liberalism and its close relationship with neoconservatism
Ask and ye shall receive
https://reason.com/2019/10/07/u-s-consents-to-a-turkish-invasion-in-syria-kurdish-forces-call-it-a-stab-in-the-back/
Imagine if Vichy libertarians got as upset with *STARTING* an illegal war as they do *ENDING* an illegal war.
We can test this hypothesis. Find a single article at the NYT Addendum Section (TOS) that has complained about arms and cash flowing into Ukraine.
Reason = completely pathetic.
That’s Syrian territory. Anybody care what they actual Syrians think about it? Is there any sort of deal between the governments of Syria and Turkey? If not, then yeah, this would (probably) qualify as an invasion*.
*If Syria is incapable of exercising sovereignty over Northern Syria, much like Pakistan appears incapable of exercising sovereignty over its tribal zones, then that territory may be the equivalent of abandoned property, so that Syria taking it over (or the US bombing in Pakistan) isn’t a violation of sovereignty.
“If Syria is incapable of exercising sovereignty over Northern Syria”
They did exercise control over it before all those foreign countries sent in their surrogates to play “Empire: Total War”.
The amazing thing is how fast the “muh…poor Kurds” talking point is now used as to deflect from the pro-war attitude.
Trump announced withdrawal from Syria right before Christmas last year and progressives were outraged because orange man bad. Then people mocked them, they regrouped and came up with a new talking point: “muh…poor Kurds”.
This talking point is unmitigated bullshit as the Kurds wouldn’t even be in Syria if it weren’t for our allies ISIS invading their land.
They did exercise control over it before all those foreign countries sent in their surrogates to play “Empire: Total War”
Hey now. I logged like 200 hours in that game.
Regardless of any of this, why the fuck should it be the business of the US?
Sure, the Kurds get a shit-sandwich; but outside of offering all Kurds blanket refugee status Stateside, why the hell should any of us give two shits about illiterate peasants slaughtering each other over a useless sand pit?
Hell, most of them (Kurdish leadership) are commies.
People who oppose withdrawal from Syria should really be dubbed “ISIS Apologists”. That’s more than fair since people who first opposed that proxy war (which does not include Vichy Libertarians) were dubbed “Assad Toadies”.
What a festival of moving goalposts.
It’s true that far-right white nationalists have posed an increasing threat in recent years, and that they are responsible for more ideologically motivated killings than other groups.
OK, so how many ideologically motivated killings by fr right white nationalists have there been in recent years? How many ideologically motivated killings by other groups? One searches in vain for any actual data on which to base the article’s rather than conclusory assertions.
known homicides by domestic extremists anywhere in the country (50 killings). And those 50 killings include not just actual hate crimes and terror attacks but completely non-ideological murders that happen to have been committed by extremists.
Now its “domestic extremists”, which is not the same thing as ideologically motivated groups.
What an embarrassment of an article, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with its general thrust.
Its general thrust is cowardice begging for dispensation. I don’t know what there is to agree with about that position
Off the bat, I’d propose a good delineation would be that the law applies only to entities legally considered to be public or public accommodations. Otherwise, freedom of association.
How about we:
…revoke governmental immunity from lawsuits
arising from injuries sustained on government property where guns are banned.But then how could they break the laws and get away with it?
I’m more concerned about the laws they make than the laws they break.
The Venn diagram of that is one circle.
govt liable in govt buildings is an interesting notion b/c sometimes you don’t have the option to not go into a govt building.
and this is my shocked face
😐
There’s a perfectly valid reason for banning guns in certain government buildings like courts and prisons. But they actually do have somewhat effective ways of stopping people from bringing them in (metal detectors, etc).
The problem is with the “honor system” gun-free zones.
And there’s no reason to ban guns in government buildings where people make day-to-day errands like the post office and the DMV.
A government ban of the bearing of arms is a violation of a right guaranteed in this Constitution. It should pay damages when its violation results in harm.
I’m torn on this one. I see the argument that voluntarily entering a business unarmed is an assumption of the risk. I also see that businesses should take reasonable steps to mitigate risks to their customers, staff, etc.
No matter how good, brave, tough anyone is – there is always someone like MSG Benavidez that comes along and ups the ante.
There is no training for a MoH winner, it comes from the individual. There are a lot of lesser deeds that are performed on the battlefield as well and we can be proud of those troops as well.
Animatronic sex doll has retarded idea.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/castro-we-need-to-phase-out-nuclear-energy/
Look at me! I’m ‘tarded!
He has set a goal! Why do you hate goals?
I have a goal. I’m going to be a bazillionaire astronaut pimp.
Miles and miles and miles and miles of solar panels and windmills will have absolutely ZERO impact upon the surrounding environment.
Well… Not the nice pretty environment. Solar Panels will be in icky deserts where no one wants to live. Only the green parts of the environment are worth saving.
Party platforms for 2020:
Democratic Party:
Broke: End the wars
Woke: End none of the wars started by my Messiah
Bespoke: Only Russian bots want to end wars
Libertarian Party:
Broke: End the wars
Woke: End the wars that the NYT disagrees with
Bespoke: End only wars that are unfashionable with elites (which is none)
Republican Party:
Broke: Love it or leave it
Woke: Ehh…leave it
Bespoke: Love orange man?
The incrementalism of the left (up until recently when the younguns got impatient and the boomers lost control) is very passive-aggressive, sociolathic, and narcissistic.
In short, gaslighting.
Normal people do not respond rationally to gaslighting. They can’t. Decrying passive-aggressive hostility is a ridiculous effort requiring many words and a backstory establishing a pattern of hostile behavior. “He hit me” is straightforward. “She looked at me funny” is stupid. You’d have to describe why that’s significant.
It’s crazy-making.
In school once we were shown a film where a new teacher came to an elementary classroom. She gently, quietly persuaded the children that the American flag was nothing and to be destroyed. But she led up to it over quite a bit of time with nonsense like “it’s just cloth,” “it’s just a symbol; you still love America” until finally all the children were sold except one. She got out a flag and gave everyone scissors and they happily (more or less) went to work cutting it up. Except this one kid was solidly defiant. She worked on him a little more (it took a while) and the thing that got him was, “It belongs to you, so aren’t you free to do with it what you want?” He caved.
The left has rarely given anyone a foothold to stop their march toward totalitarianism (until now). The gaslighting has been effective. Nobody believes someone who is being gaslit until they themselves are a victim. And you still can’t describe it. It’s too complex.
All that happens is the victim either curls up and gives up, or they come out swinging, unable to put up with the torment any longer, they don’t care what it looks like to the outside, and they don’t have anything left to lose.
The left is gaslighting people who have weapons, who feel in their gut that they need them even if they don’t know WHY, or who can’t say why, who will soon feel as if they have nothing left to lose.
This will not end well.
“when the younguns got impatient and the boomers lost control”
This is key. I’ve said numerous times that what they’ve been doing since the 20’s is pretty damn foolproof and they were approaching their endgame. However, two things happened; The Lightbringer won, convinced them that Utopia was at hand and it made them overconfident, then Trump won and drove them completely around the bend.
I think there’s still a pretty good chance that the damage they’ve done and the momentum they’ve built means they’ll still win; but there’s never been a better chance for pushback than right now.
I almost made that point, but I’m not sure that’s true. It may be too late. Pushback MUST happen and will, but it may just be delaying the inevitable cycle of every civilization’s rise and fall.
Trump is pushback. The folks who feel gaslit will forgive him anything just to get enough of a foothold to be able to not lose ground. They feel understood and have a champion who will go scorched earth. Scorched earth is the only way to cut through gaslighting.
Now, salt the fields.
See also: Johnson, Boris.
Boris Johnson and Trump are both in power because of pushback, but I question whether either is really pushback against the growth of Government. They are populists not libertarians.
Correct, which is why I question whether any pushback will be successful for long.
Evil is like water. It’s always find a way around, over, under, and if it can’t do that, it will content itself with committing to the time it takes to forge a way through.
Your options are populists who are slightly less hesitant to engage in foreign wars and believe the established order is corrupt or corporatists who loves themselves some foreign adventurism and believe that the established order enriches them and is therefore good.
Sure, they’re not good options, but at least populists are not desperately blue pilled like the alternative
Pushback is far too kind.
Fear and resentment based on the perception that a decreasing pie of government bennies were going to the “wrong” people has been the schwerpunkt of American politics from 2009 onwards.
This stream-of-conscious rant brought to you by Scruffy Nerfherder’s quotation of TOS’s utilitarianism and Trashy’s succinct summation:
And if she had tried to teach this lesson with a rainbow flag or the flag of Iran she would have been fired and likely charged with a hate crime for the former action.
#TruncatedFreedom
Somewhat related, I once saw someone with a “Equality” feminism bumper sticker, and a Iran Flag Bumper sticker on their car. I tried to take a picture, but i was driving and it didn’t turn out well.
I think it’s safe to say that person went to college. Only a college degree grants you enough ignorance to think that makes any sense.
Hijabs are armor in the fight against the patriarchy! They block the male gaze.
Exactly that!
How can ANY reasonable person think that women actually have any choice as to whether to wear it or not?
And yet … they choose to believe this.
True believer? Useful idiot? Ignorant? Un-self-aware? Deliberate juxtaposition for a means to an end?
Doesn’t matter.
The only thing I can say is “Geez, don’t you know what they do to women in Iran?” and the person will somehow dismiss it. How do you persuade idiots and how do you fight deliberate undermining? Often I find that my arguments are not to persuade the person I’m talking to, but the people around listening who won’t say anything for various reasons.
I know I am being scatter-shot about this topic, but you people keep making great points.
Often I find that my arguments are not to persuade the person I’m talking to, but the people around listening who won’t say anything for various reasons.
where have i heard that before
….slinks away in shame.
even more shame because i didn’t do the link right
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Excellent article, by the way, in case I didn’t say it then.
I do this at church. Often people come up to me later and say, “Thank you for saying that. I felt it but didn’t know how to say it.”
Thanks. I’d promise to stop the shameless self promotion but i know i won’t stop.
Perhaps they were advocating for equality in Iran?
There is currently a large protest movement against mandatory hijab laws, and many Iranian women have been imprisoned for disobeying the law.
Worst bedtime story ever.
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LOL. This is why I rarely engage with the more serious discussions here. I am a fatalist, unfortunately. I wish I were not. But thinking too much about these things while unable to feel any hope is soul-destroying.
When Imstart thinking about things like this, I can only look to the People of Walmart and say, “Let loose the rednecks of war.”
Having met the redneck side of my family (Washington, PA area), I’m not sure they’re on a side as much as they’re just spoiling for a fight.
I still believe the vast majority of people are good at heart, but are very terrible at thinking about the seen and unseen. I save my ranting for places like this, and just ask questions every once in a while that tries to get them to look at that unseen effect of their desired actions.
I am a fatalist, unfortunately.
The Western Civ train fell off the cliff in the 1930s. We’ve been in freefall since then, besides a few impacts with outcrops. The bottom of the river gorge is down there somewhere, and short of this train sprouting wings, we’re gonna hit it hard someday.
All that happens is the victim either curls up and gives up, or they come out swinging, unable to put up with the torment any longer, they don’t care what it looks like to the outside, and they don’t have anything left to lose.
I have discovered that the great thing about a lot of passive aggressive behavior is its passivity – you can either just ignore it or you can just say “I don’t see it that way”. If they really want you to change, they have to engage more directly, which is what creates the basis for you to directly and credibly counter-attack.
Passive aggression can be adequately dealth with through passive resistance.
Is adequately disposed of with “I choose not to destroy it.”
With a third grader against a figure of authority? Not enough life experience to think that fast or say it. The kid was confused. He knew he was right, but not WHY he was right.
With a third grader against a figure of authority?
Well, sure, people who gaslight/indoctrinate children should get their own very special circle of hell.
I remember that film!
OMG I’m so glad I didn’t imagine that. I didn’t try to look for it today, but I have looked for it in the past and not found it.
After a quick search, I found that it’s “The Children’s Story which was written by Ayn Rand admirer, James Clavell.
The whole thing for those who didn’t grow up during the 80s
Thank you!!!
As I’m thinking about this more, I realize there are several hot points for this rant, part of which is the discussion of the world hating the US.
One thing in the “list of things the rest of the world finds weird/irritating about Americans” is how patriotic we are. Flags everywhere. Ceremonies before sporting events.
So I went to the Chiefs game last night and that was on glorious display. 75,000 people singing the national anthem with gusto (fortunately it was in a key where everybody could hit the “free” note) and it really choked me up.
Why? I don’t know. Why does the rest of the world care how patriotic we are?
Is it nationalism? Tribalism? Populism? Indoctrination?
I dunno. To me, it’s warm and fuzzy.
“Why does the rest of the world care how patriotic we are?”
Elsewhere in the world, “patriotism” is often conflated (usually correctly) with “jingoism”. Since most countries initially organized themselves as ethnostates, excessive patriotism is seen by the “enlightened” not necessarily as an expression of pride in one’s shared heritage, but a rejection of outsiders that ranges from bigoted to violent.
Since the US is a collection of mutts, and theoretically anyone can be an American, patriotism to USAians is about national identity and what brings all these various factions together. E pluribus Unum.
Of course there is great potential political gain for those who would tear those factions apart.
If by “initially” you mean, “in Europe, during the early 19th century as a reaction to the multiethnic and multireligious realms that were promoted during the Enlightenment,” then sure. That history began with myths of romantic nationalism is a symptom of the very same jingoism you mentioned.
Indubitably. And your comment above about this being more a phenomenon of Europe specifically is something I wanted to add immediately after I hit “reply”.
On one hand, I can actually kind of empathize with Germans who think excessive displays of patriotism are in bad taste; on the other hand, I sometimes think they doth protest too much and they’re the ones who hear the dog whistle the loudest.
It’s all relative. I’ve spoken with Euros who find personal display of any national flag to be odd. On the other hand, I lived for several years in a country in which the national anthem was blared from loudspeakers in public twice daily, by law, and all had to stop and stand respectfully when it was played. (As well as standing for the Royal Anthem before a movie showing.)
I saw a meme on FB I think, with the Hong Kong protestors waving the American flag.
“Be the America Hong Kong thinks you are.”
It made me sad.
If by “initially” you mean, “in Europe, during the early 19th century as a reaction to the multiethnic and multireligious realms that were promoted during the Enlightenment,” then sure. That history began with myths of romantic nationalism is a symptom of the very same jingoism you mentioned.
This is somewhat disingenuous. The romantic nationalist movement was a response to the very real oppression of the subordinate ethnic groups inside the Ottoman and Hapsburg empires. Neither of which owed anything to the enlightenment.
Personally, patriotic displays leave me cold and uneasy. They depress me. I think it goes back to some traumatic experiences in Turkey I had as a young-un. Things like being punished for not knowing the words of the national anthem in first grade.
I know most people view a flag or a song as a way of expressing solidarity in the huge group project that is their nation and its society and they would find my views on the subject pretty appalling. To me, though, patriotic displays are really a softer version of a boot stamping on a face. You will sing this song. You will pledge that you will follow our orders even onto death. You will show enthusiasm, even if it’s fake enthusiasm, and the first person who stops clapping disappears into the gulag.
It’s unpleasant enough that I avoid seeing baseball games live.
I understand your stance and I know that many here share it, which is why I was a little reluctant to admit that.
To me, it just says “home.”
Once the Russian anthem was changed to the old Soviet one in 2000–the lyrics were written by the same guy who did it for the Soviet anthem 56(!) years earlier–I always made an effort to take a seat when it’s playing. Once I was sitting through it in public after Russia defeated the Czech Republic at an ice hockey championship. Not particularly brave of me–the game was played in Quebec City.
Relevant
up until recently when the younguns got impatient and the boomers lost control
That’s sort of the rational consequence of the process you describe though, isn’t it? The thing about the systematic destruction of people’s rational faculties is that it doesn’t produce people who’ve given up. It produces zealots. If you’ve broken people to the point that they no longer believe their own mind and senses, they still need something to take its place. And the ideology is what ends up the substitute. You break kids into accepting that all of their mind and soul belongs to the Revolution, you can’t be too surprised when they line you up at the guillotine for your imperfections vis-a-vis the cause.
-1 Robespierre’s head
The left has rarely given anyone a foothold to stop their march toward totalitarianism (until now). The gaslighting has been effective. Nobody believes someone who is being gaslit until they themselves are a victim. And you still can’t describe it. It’s too complex.
Without arguing any of your points, there’s still a problem with how the narrative boils down. Your set-up is tacit permission for reactionary authoritarianism: we end up with any Orange outrage is better than Herself. Literally wrapping the right’s posture in the flag is exactly how the unworthy insist on your support and your vote. Really, the passive-aggression swings both ways in this tug of war over Old Glory . . . which isn’t the point anyway, not that I don’t love the flag. Patriotic tear-jerking really gets in the way of calling balls and strikes. I see the flag stuff as a sucker punch when face-to-face on the issues is where our arguments should be held.
I feel this is worth writing because, while I don’t agree with the leftist agenda, I don’t trust the right either: conservatives have shown themselves to be happy to stomp all over your liberties wherever convenient. To give conservatives some special easement over the flag in the left-right tilt over who is right/correct is beside the point of the greater, constant question: how shall I be free?
I lost a friendship over this point. She could not at all see how following God’s commandments and forcing everybody else to do so was in any way restrictive of anyone’s liberty.
Yes. I haven’t the patience or time to construct a decent argument. I just kind of blurt it all out. One thing that prompted it however, was Scruffy’s note:
But…when has any human with an agenda based any action on principle?
blurt it all out
Nothing wrong with that; it’s welcome by me, of course.
Suppose you made a list, though, of transgressions and risks to freedom, what belongs and how do you rank it? It’s okay to include a healthy dose of feelz getting there. When you have your list, compare it to the top ten issues an official or a candidate is addressing: now we have a score and a perspective and priorities. Did your favorite candidate promise to promote free speech and markets and eliminate FISA courts and NSA email hacking, and then “on his first day in office” start to do something about it?
Or did he just play school days and photo ops and promise to bring back the Ike years?
Lay out your strike zone, call ’em like you seem ’em, and don’t let the smoke and mirrors distract!
I am not the one who needs to be convinced.
I will harken back to a debate between Obama and Romney.
Here’s Romney, talking about Mali and Russian, and here’s Obama saying, “The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.”
I am convinced that got Obama re-elected. He was the cool, popular kid.
So what if I want FISA courts eliminated and the government to stop spying on us? Not enough people do want it to demand it. At some point, people choose the least disgusting option.
And American politics has not offered up anything less than disgusting in the last 100 years.
That is where my fatalism lies. It doesn’t matter if Romney was right. He was boring and that subject was boring and nobody wanted to hear it.
He stepped on a F**king mine and insisted on going back into combat? Unreal.
Listened to Dave Smiths Wrap up of the Ongoings of the CIA/”Intelligence Community” over the past few years. I have to agree with him that it’s hard to see this as anything but a deep state bucking at the elected leadership.
And as such, the entire apparatus should be destroyed.
I view it as on par with a military leader bucking the executive. You don’t argue with them, you get rid of them, immediately.
What’s weird is that leftists who didn’t believe Russiagate are saying the same thing.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/
FTA:
“Americans who’ve blown the whistle over serious offenses by the federal government either spend the rest of their lives overseas, like Edward Snowden, end up in jail, like Chelsea Manning, get arrested and ruined financially, like former NSA official Thomas Drake, have their homes raided by FBI like disabled NSA vet William Binney, or get charged with espionage like ex-CIA exposer-of-torture John Kiriakou. It’s an insult to all of these people, and the suffering they’ve weathered, to frame the ballcarrier in the Beltway’s latest partisan power contest as a whistleblower.”
I remember when people called Russiagate bunk they were called “Russian apologists”. So those oppose withdrawal from Syria can rightly be termed “ISIS apologists”, right?
That’s remarkably coherent and reasonable for Rolling Stone.
Are you sure that’s not actually a mirror for the Babylon Bee?
It’s Matt Taibbi. He also never believed Russia Fever Dreams.
The antiwar Left has remained consistent and have exposed how small their ranks really are
True. One of the better Russia hoax stories was in The Nation, of all places.
Guess their love for the Rodina has endured despite the end of the Soviet Union.
Money Quote for me:
We had whistleblowers telling us about nearly all of these things. When they came forward, they desperately needed society’s help. They didn’t get it. Our government didn’t just tweet threats at them, but proceeded straight to punishment.
This. Either Trump is the most transparent President ever, or this guy isn’t an actual whistleblower.
A respite from the avalanche of depressingness upthread.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/58/67/af/5867af5275deaa65e25bc48032893eec.jpg
My bad.
It’s all good. It’s reality.
And it gives me a chance to titpost.
If Tulsi Gabbard is an “Assad toadie” for advocating an end to our involvement in Syria then are those who want to stay in Syria “ISIS toadies”?
McCain toadies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSI-Wk00rVw
Can I change my one hit wonder answer from last week?
General Dynamics toadies.
I thought they were BAE toadies?
I remember so well the discussions at work where I complained about the ME as being the same as VN. My fellow workers were busying explaining that the desert was not like the jungle, “piece of cake”, “cake walk” etc. That was nearly 30 years ago and Iraq continues to wage war against themselves.