Damnit Sugarfree! You think your the only schmuck around here with no time to toss something together??
Here’s one where Krugabe questions who is out of touch with reality.
Will the Democratic presidential nomination go to a centrist or a progressive? Which choice would give the party the best chance in next year’s election? Honestly, I have no idea.
This is good tack to take, given your inability to predict anything, including things you are purported to be an expert.
One thing I can say, however, is that neither centrism nor progressivism is what it used to be.
There was a time when arguments between centrists and progressives were framed as debates between realism and idealism. These days, however, it often seems as if the centrists, not the progressives, are out of touch with reality. Indeed, sometimes it feels as if centrists are Rip Van Winkles who spent the last 20 years in a cave and missed everything that has happened to America and the world since the 1990s.
You can see this in politics, where Joe Biden has repeatedly declared that Republicans will have an “epiphany” once Donald Trump is gone, and once again become reasonable people Democrats can deal with. Given the GOP’s scorched-earth politics during the Obama years, that’s a bizarre claim.
Turnabout is fair play asshole, team cuck simply decided to start playing by the same rules team cunt played by–since forever, really. Which is par for the course for team cuck, it takes them 20 years or more to come around to anything.
You can also see it in economics. There are many reasonable criticisms you could offer of Elizabeth Warren’s economic proposals. But the one I keep seeing is that Warren would turn America into (cue scary music) Europe, maybe even (cue even scarier music) France. And you have to wonder whether people who say such things have paid any attention to either Europe or America over the past few decades.
We know where France is located dumbass.
Just to be clear, Europe does have big economic problems. But they’re not the ones such people seem to imagine.
When people say such things, they seem to have in mind a picture of the U.S.-Europe comparison that did seem to have some validity in the 1990s. In that picture, nations with large social spending and extensive government regulation of markets suffered from “Eurosclerosis,” persistent lack of jobs.
Employers, the story went, were reluctant to expand both because of high taxes and because they feared not being able to fire workers once hired. At the same time, workers had little incentive to accept jobs because they could live off generous social programs.
Europe also seemed to be lagging in the adoption of new technology: For a while, the U.S. surged ahead in making use of the internet and information technology in general, leading to arguments that Europe’s high taxes and regulation were discouraging innovation.
But all of that was a long time ago. The jobs gap has largely vanished; adults in their prime working years are actually more likely to be employed in Europe, France included, than they are in America.
Any gap in the adoption of information technology has also long since vanished; households in much of Europe are as or more likely to have broadband than their U.S. counterparts, partly because the U.S. failure to limit providers’ monopoly power has led to much higher prices for internet access.
Unemployment for the EU this year (that is 2019, not sometime in the 1990’s) is 6.3%, with France being 8.6%. Lets compare that to the United States at 3.6%. While you cherry-pick the price of broadband in Europe ($90 EU vs. $200 US) these savings seem to be moot compared to the price Europeans pay to heat their homes, drive cars, or even anything else…here’s a rundown of the cost of basic things between the US and Germany, for example.
Then again the price of anything is determined by it’s demand, and is influenced by a variety of factors. It seems silly to pick one product and simply declare one country is doing something better than the other. The fact of the matter it is often much more complicated than that, but since your average reader probably cunt count to 12 without the physical deformity of a sixth digit on each hand, you can get away with cherry-picking.
It’s true that European nations have lower GDP per capita than we do, but that’s largely because, unlike most Americans, most Europeans actually have significant vacation time and hence work fewer hours per year. This sounds like a choice about work-life balance, not an economic problem.
And on that most fundamental of indicators, life expectancy, the U.S. has fallen far behind: French residents can expect, on average, to live more than four years longer than Americans. Why? Universal health care and policies that mitigate extreme inequality are the most likely explanations.
Now, I don’t want this to sound like praise of all things European. The nations on the euro remain terribly vulnerable to financial crises, because they’ve adopted a shared currency without a shared banking safety net; only the heroic leadership of Mario Draghi, the former president of the European Central Bank, avoided a catastrophic collapse of the euro in 2012.
Europe also suffers from persistent weakness in demand because key players, Germany in particular, have an obsessive fear of deficits, even when the European economy desperately needs stimulus.
They’re right to fear it. The cost of them ruling over the continent now appears to be paying for Spain and Italy to take naps in the afternoon, the Turks to commit atrocities against the Kurds, the French to go on vacation, and for the Greeks to do…whatever it is they do, rather than be productive.
These are big problems, severe enough that I wouldn’t be surprised if Europe is the epicenter of the next global crisis. But the problem with Europe is not that its social programs are too generous and its governments too intrusive. If anything, it’s almost the opposite: Europe’s economy is vulnerable because a combination of political fragmentation and ideological rigidity has left its politicians unwilling to be Keynesian enough.
When all else fails–PROG HARDER.
The point is that centrists who point to Europe as an illustration of the bad things that happen when you’re too enthusiastic about pursuing social justice are stuck decades in the past. Modern European experience actually vindicates progressive claims that we can do a lot to make America fairer without destroying incentives. And even Europe’s problems make the case for more government intervention, not less.
By all means, let’s talk about whether “Medicare for all,” wealth taxes and other progressive proposals are actually good ideas. But trying to shoot them down by going on about how terrible things are in France is a sure sign that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
That’s fair. Medicare for all, is a fucking retarded idea that will bankrupt the country, let alone multiple hospitals and health care providers that will suddenly find their profit margins have gone to hell. Wealth taxes will result in people fleeing the country, or holding their wealth offshore–like what happened when they tried it in France. Except nobody is shooting is down because of how much a shithole France is, they’re shooting it down because we have practical experience from experiments with these progressive proposals BECAUSE THEY WAS TRIED IN FRANCE YOU DUMBASS.
*refreshes*
This doesn’t seem right.
Ok then
Then again the price of anything is determined by it’s demand, and is influenced by a variety of factors. It seems silly to pick one product and simply declare one country is doing something better than the other. The fact of the matter it is often much more complicated than that, but since your average reader probably cunt count to 12 without the physical deformity of a sixth digit on each hand, you can get away with cherry-picking.
Chery Picking is the essence of Krugmans Articles. If he sties a statistic there is almost always a very specific reason why he chose that statistic. Especially when there seems to be one that would be better to use (PPP in this example) and he chooses some random one.
I noticed that with this line:
Why limit it to “adults in their prime working years”? The contention is that European-style “worker protections” are making it very hard for youth specifically, so why not include them as well?
Because those number make Europe look
bad.even worse.The brunette at the Mexican soccer game > Winston’s mom
But, it’s close
Let me be clear, I reject the false choice between Mexican brunette and Winston’s Mom. Both can be equally admired, and are.
You are objectively wrong, darling.
There’s no substitute for experience.
Shut your filthy whore mouth.
That costs extra Princess, but you can wear the ball-gag all you want for free.
Unemployment for the EU this year (that is 2019, not sometime in the 1990’s) is 6.3%, with France being 8.6%. Lets compare that to the United States at 3.6%. – the real number is probably higher for both
Labor force participation rate would be a more interesting statistic. Especially in the US, a large number of marginal workers took permanent disability during the last US downturn. But LFP in the US is moving towards historical highs.
Google says that America has a 63.3% labor force participation rate while the EU is sitting at 59%, but I don’t trust a comparison between them until I know what methodological differences there are as I doubt all of tree governments collect and calculate the data on the same way.
It’s true that European nations have lower GDP per capita than we do, but that’s largely because, unlike most Americans, most Europeans actually have significant vacation time and hence work fewer hours per year. This sounds like a choice about work-life balance, not an economic problem. – funny fact I have 24 days of vacation a year. this year, after taking 5 days for the xmas new year period, I have 15 left. The company now asked us to use em before march 31. If I had the money to go the the US now would be the time, I could take 3 weeks off in february march and still have 24 days left
When considering the cost of a trip to the US, you have to factor in the fact that you will probably be supplied with free ample amounts of booze from your fellow commentators when visiting their cities.
The visa is 120 bucks. Flying to the US and back probablyy 800. Let us call it an even grand. Then there’s internal transportation, food, lodging, tourist tax stamp duty hooker money the expenses are endless
I forgot about hookers. Yeah, that can get pricey
Unless he’s going for something specifically American, I’d imagine Czech hookers are more convenient and generally higher quality.
those was jokes. I would not try American wimmins. The hookers are dangerous, the police can be nasty if caught. The non hookers well I don’t have much game and anyway they probably crazy I read all those Florida woman articles.
I am thinking at least 5k US for two weeks vacation in the US
That’s fairly realistic. My road trips tend around $3-3.5k. It varies by how much hotel sketchiness or posh tax I’m willing to put up with. Add on airfare and you’re in the range. Leave a buffer for unexpected expenses, etc.
A trip to Tijuana should be on his itinerary.
The major border crossings are a mess right now. Aside from the hours-long waits, I wouldn’t try to cross back from Mexico with a Romanian passport unless I was prepared for “special processing”.
What? Don’t want to be on intimate terms with a border security agent?
only the heroic leadership of Mario Draghi, the former president of the European Central Bank, avoided a catastrophic collapse of the euro in 2012. – lol. my hero
Europe also suffers from persistent weakness in demand because key players, Germany in particular, have an obsessive fear of deficits, even when the European economy desperately needs stimulus. – lol silly germans don’t want endless debt.
Especially if it ain’t their debt.
Europe’s economy is vulnerable because a combination of political fragmentation and ideological rigidity has left its politicians unwilling to be Keynesian enough. – lol. and when is one enough? because by this metric, no matter how much stimulus, you can always say not enough. When is it enough?
The point is that centrists who point to Europe as an illustration of the bad things that happen when you’re too enthusiastic about pursuing social justice are stuck decades in the past. Modern European experience actually vindicates progressive claims that we can do a lot to make America fairer without destroying incentives. And even Europe’s problems make the case for more government intervention, not less.
By all means, let’s talk about whether “Medicare for all,” wealth taxes and other progressive proposals are actually good ideas. But trying to shoot them down by going on about how terrible things are in France is a sure sign that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Europe had all these things in the 60 and 70. It was a disaster.
I pay $60 for broadband. For $200 I’d better have fiber.
Some bands are broader than others.
You know, like Heart.
You’re gonna burn, burn, burn, burn, burn into the wick
Ooo,Caribou-dah
For further reference that’s 100Mb/sec
I pay 12 US for a gigabit connection, although off course not guaranteed it usually goes 300-400 mbps
So who’s paying $90-200?
Non Romanians? I dunno
my friend in dutchland pays 60 euro per month but rarely has more than 20-25 Mbps download speed
That is sad.
my buddy in anglesland pays 70 pounds for fiber, it usually goes 150 -250 Mbps
sounds about what I’d be paying for fiber.
For $200, I’m getting Broadband, Basic Cable, and a land line.
For $200 I get all that and a weekly blow job
Autofellatio doesn’t count.
who has that kind of flexibility?
Are you getting it from (or giving it to) the cable guy?
Comcast no longer itemizes each component. They charge me for the bundled tv & internet service ~$110/month. When you add in all the fees, taxes, etc. is still only comes to $145/month.
Those are averages.
So who’s paying MORE than $90-200 to raise the average?
Me.
I am sorry to hear that.
I have fiber and pay a bit over $100, about the same as the supposed average for Europeans for general broadband. Normal broadband is available for around $30. Granted like most Europeans I live in a major metropolitan area that allows for that kind of pricing. Its almost as if there may be other factors that aren’t being considered in Krugman’s “analysis”.
I’m in a semi rural area and caps out at 10M for $50.
So what we need are more data points breaking down $/Mb/sec, speed caps, and distance to nearest metropolitan area.
Maybe. Broadband speeds are all over the map, more so in rural areas. Aggressive small provider leveraging grants and CAF? fiber to the home. Incumbent telco getting CAF?, 10M. Terrain that doesn’t block cellular/wireless?, 4G speeds. Incumbent telco not getting government dollars, poor terrain, and obstructed view of the southern sky?, 2M or less or flat out no service.
One more, if you’re willing to fork over $K’s in construction cost and several hundred per month, you can have business class service installed to your home.
I pay under 100 for gigabit fiber. If you are paying $200 for fiber you are including the TV service
I don’t have fiber, and I’m not paying $200.
Yes, I understand. Read my post again and perhaps it will become clear that I am using the generic “you” meaning a person.
I’m distracted by the people who had been pushing for quicker completion of the project suddenly thinking we’re rushing it and want to push the changeover date back.
awful when work distracts you from glibertarians.
$56 for 500MB down. Gigabit fiber is 2 blocks away and should be pulled by next year.
I wish Krugman was an NFL columnist. I’d love to read his article about how the Jets are actually a better team than the Patriots this year.
Statistics: they can prove anything that you’ve concluded before hand
That’s why it’s so important to choose which experts are going to be on your independent panel.
So, statistics are the theology of math?
They reinforce theology. They are like out of context quotes from the Bible. You decide what you want the Bible to justify and it always will.
The three “Bs” of Christmas…:
More Booze…
More Bullshit….
More Butt Fucking…
The three Bs
He might be the only person more insufferable that Joe Buck and Cris Collingsworth.
Phil Simms would like a word.
I thought tossing things was a routine part of your day (night? diurnal anomaly?) job.
What? You can get the cancer doing that.
What Warren is proposing is a level of progging that would make France and Germany blush. We would become the example for them of what not to do.
Krugman Seems to be banking for a Warren run. I wonder what will happen when Hillary enters the race.
God bless you Winston’s mom. I don’t know how you can read any of Krugman’s shit. I can’t even stand to look at his face.
One thing I can say, however, is that neither centrism nor progressivism is what it used to be.
Huh. I wonder how that happened.
French residents can expect, on average, to live more than four years longer than Americans. Why? Universal health care and policies that mitigate extreme inequality are the most likely explanations.
Nonsense. It’s the crusty bread.
Does this life expectancy include gang-linked individuals and cartel associates?
I very sincerely doubt Europe actually accurately counts the majority Muslim zones.
the lifespan thing is usually bullshit. it depends on a ton of things
Why? Universal health care and policies that mitigate extreme inequality are the most likely explanations.
More likely because they spend more time lounging around and not producing.
You can’t die in a workplace accident if you’re not in the workplace.
An apple-to-apples comparison would be comparing the French to somewhere with equally lazy entitled workers, but who vacation in dangerous places. Australia maybe?
Considering non-communicable disease survival rates are on par or in some cases better than Europe. I’m gonna say universal healthcare has nothing to do with life expectancy. I think it’s more to do with complex differences in culture and migration.
This. Exactly this. Comparing American and European life expectancy without controlling for diet and exercise patterns is a joke.
Most of it is diet to my understanding. There also the part where most European countries are much more ethnically homogenous than the United States.
diet, car accidents, murder rate, genetic, your silly American climate which is to extreme…
And possible miscounting. they are doing that with child mortality I read recently.
But you Americans should strive to be less fat fucks. Glibfit is what the US needs. Or maybe a Sanders regime, did wonders in Venezuela. No glibfit would achieve those numbers.
Also take it easy on the sugar, fructose and ultra processed crap.
This is excellent advice.
Eat more steak.
I’ve got my steak salad waiting for me right over there.
Got to go to the gym first, though…
You just want clean blood.
and not sweet
Hey the rest of the world is starting to catch up to us. Obesity is increasing everywhere we just led the charge. Or should I say led the waddle with occasional stops to catch our breath.
Scandinavians, with access to “free healthcare”, live considerably longer, on average, than the average American. If you look at Scandinavians that live in the United States, they live even longer than the ones in their native countries despite the “inferior” health care in the United States.
I suspect the same is true of French people as well.
Comparing any largely homogenized society to the United States without an enormous amount of controls is foolish. It’s even more so to attribute any differences “most likely” to one’s own pet issues.
So you’re saying years of raping and pillaging have created some sort of Viking superhuman race?
No, they’ve created people who know a good time when they see it.
The ones who stayed in Vikingland instead of conquering the rest of the world with its seed retained nothing of the Vikings.
I plan on living at least until the Vikings win a Super Bowl……
So forever!
8-3 Holiness.
This could be the year!
You can’t fool me Tundra. The football gods have made Cousins play well for the last few months only so he can pull a Favre Jr. in the NFC championship and throw a horrible pick that loses the game.
Wrong.
We are due for another wide left.
Quiet!
I’m preparing myself for the Gophers beating Northwestern, Wisconsin and the Ohio team to win the Big 10 championship and still not get into the BCS playoffs.
Now that they dropped that game against Iowa, it gives the BCS committee all the cover they need to replace them with Alabama.
Ah, yes. The Minnesota Way.
Now that they dropped that game against Iowa, it gives the BCS committee all the cover they need to replace them with Alabama.
I’m already hearing why, Even if Alabama only does somewhat good against Auburn they should beat out a Pac-12 champion.
I get really tired of U.S.-based wonks telling people that France has universal (by which they probably mean “single-payer”) health care. France quite explicitly does not have such health care — it’s a two-tiered system, with everyone being guaranteed some base level of care and at the same time being allowed to pay out of their own pocket for better-quality health care. This is what my family in France have told me every single time I’ve gone there and asked (which is many times over the last quarter-century).
Canada’s got “comprehensive” single-payer health care (or more accurately, Canada’s ten provinces and three territories do, ’cause health care is a provincial responsibility under the BNA Act 1867). By and large, the provinces do not allow Canadians to “upgrade” the care they’re getting by paying extra for “better” or “faster” health care — it’s all equal in the sense that everybody gets the same throttled, wait-listed (i.e. rationed), mediocre health care.
Most European countries have a mixed system. Germany Netherlands Switzerland have even more private than France.
If I was forced at gunpoint to take a European healthcare system I would probably take the Swiss system.
If you’re working in France the cost of public insurance isn’t any cheaper than the United States. Plus the insurance only covers 70% of most healthcare costs(100% of long term ailments). So you have to buy a supplemental plan for that extra 30%. Add in you don’t have an option to opt out of the public plan, however you can purchase a private plan on top of it.
So, pretty similar to Medicare, then. 70% vs 80%, And long term differs, but close enough.
France quite explicitly does not have such health care — it’s a two-tiered system, with everyone being guaranteed some base level of care and at the same time being allowed to pay out of their own pocket for better-quality health care.
Which, really, is exactly what the US has. Everyone has to be served in the emergency room, poor people get Medicaid, old people get Medicare, and everyone who wants more than that is free to pay for better care at a premium price.
Not Gauloises?
Universal health care and policies that mitigate extreme inequality
Oh, FFS. What drives longevity is lifestyle – nutrition, exercise, healthy or unhealthy habits. All the rest barely twitches the needle, including healthcare.
How else can they justify spending so much money? All those things you listed are pretty inexpensive.
Damn I love my Google fiber $70/mo for 1Gbps.
Until Google finds something else shiny to play with and shuts it all down with something like 90 days notice.
But if it was available I’d buy it too!
Shhhh just let me live my dream! Actually it spurred competition in our area. Comcast, AT&T and smaller company offer gigabit internet too. Slightly more expensive.
And even Europe’s problems make the case for more government intervention, not less.
Something something hammer, something something nail.
It also ignores the one thing that makes the EU spending different than the US. The US has the burden of spending twice the percentage of GDP as other nations on military spending due to the terrible decision of becoming the world’s policeman. One imagines how fast the American economy could grow if we reduced the 650 billion dollars we spend each year, and allowed taxpayers to keep their money, thus infusing vast amounts of capital into the economy.
Silly git.
There is also the savings they get by piggy backing off advances in health care made in the US where there is still a profit motive.
Were we to go full Medicare for All here, where would the big advances be over the next few generations? Why would Big Pharma invest in anything if they didn’t have a chance at making big time $$$ in return (given how many new things fail after running up big costs)?
*In a proggie voice*
But but government will step in and pick up the research!
Got me there. After all, everything around us was invented only due to govt investments. Nothing was simply built from scratch by the private sector.
+1 nutritious glass of Tang.
I can’t wait for the government researchers to unionize. Then they’ll be super productive.
Even if we quit spending that $650,000,000,000 a year on foreign adventures, it wouldn’t cover but about half the annual deficit.
If it means that $650BB of capital isn’t diverted to government bonds, that’s $650BB of capital that will wind up invested in the economy.
While there is certainly a free-rider issue and the US certainly spends more than it should on the military (due to the fact that they use it more than they should), you could not zero it out and still expect to enjoy the same type of world that we have today. A large part of the reason that the US became top dog is because they wanted to be the ones who get to dictate the rules. If the US went full pacifist, someone else would get to dictate the rules, and for all its faults I rather prefer an American ruled world to the prospect of a Chinese or Russian ruled one.
Winston, your mom is both a smoke-show AND a superior thinker.
We are lucky to have her.
Again and again…
I will not click the NYT but does he provide anything to justify these claims or are they random claims? How would more government help europe besides magic?
Europe has suffered from a Dearth of Government since the fall of the USSR. And look how shitty it’s gotten.
Krugman Seems to be banking for a Warren run. I wonder what will happen when Hillary enters the race.
He’ll be found dangling from a silk rope in his closet, wearing his frilliest party frock, with a huge
smilegrimace on his face.I don’t know how you can read any of Krugman’s shit.
I had to quit. It’s like watching the street preacher get louder and louder and crazier and crazier, until one day he takes a big dump on the sidewalk and then eats it.
*insert kombucha girl meme here*
Damn, and here I was thinking only I was seeing this play put that exact same way…
Thanks Krugnuts!
Is obesity a symptom or a goal? The American success story can be measured in Belt Width, for better or worse. I would guess immigration, legal and otherwise, might be a measurement that could be useful. What percentage of France would move to the US if possible and vice-versa?
Also, what percentage would move back once their illusions were shattered?
your average reader probably cunt count to 12
To be fair, I don’t think everyone is as equipped as Winston’s Mom to count to 12 in this fashion.
What is Winston’s Mom doing up this early?
What are you doing up this early?
Fair point.
Her and Tulsi had a fight.
Tulsi and Winston’s mom…..interesting
Winston’s mom has me up, that’s for sure.
Her milkshake makes all the boys come to the yard?
One of the big differences I noticed when I was working with lots of Europeans at my last job is how workers treat a job. The Europeans (especially the Germans) think in terms of lifetime employment. They are very loyal to the company and put up with a lot because they have found their job and are going to ride it out until they retire with their pension. Us Americans are way more inclined to pull the “Take this job and shove it” approach to careers.
Sure there are still some places that are great and have a bunch of loyal employees and there are still some old school people that are slavish to their employers, but they are few and far between (and becoming more rare every day).
When our North American office closed, the Europeans were disconsolate and all begged to find jobs somewhere else in the giant conglomerate that was our former employer. All the Americans shrugged their shoulders asked how much the severance was and moved on.
It was sort of funny because the Europeans were always telling us how exploited we were because our health insurance was tied to our jobs. Yet they are the ones who never change jobs.
“Us Americans are way more inclined to pull the “Take this job and shove it” approach to careers.”
A lot of times that’s because the employer has the same attitude toward the employee. From what I have observed in Southern Europe, it’s very difficult to get full-time permanent work. Usually the companies will offer young workers “contract employment” which allows employers more leeway in firing people and does not require them to provide as many benefits. If you prove yourself as a contract employee you might get a full-time job, at which point your job is essentially yours in perpetuity if you want it. Americans know that, for the most part, your employer can fire you for any reason at almost any time, so employees have a similar attitude that they can leave for any reason at almost any time. Mutually assured destruction.
You and Urthona below are both right. Employment law has a huge impact on how people are hired. Contract to hire is very popular around here (especially for IT jobs). Contract employees can be kicked to the curb for any reason any time you want. So your risk in taking a chance on an employee is pretty low. And if they work out, you can offer them full time employment.
And yup, employees have figured out that there is nothing special or sacred when it comes to employment. They will do their best to pay you as little as they can. You will do your best to maximize what they pay you.
This also has to do with the laws themselves. It’s much harder for companies to fire people in Western Europe because of laws, but by the same token it’s much harder to find a job because the companies have to be more careful. There are many times even minimum terms for the duration you can hire people for. You can’t just fire them before a preset time in their employment contract and there are rules for the reasoning of firing and establishment of that reasoning.
In the U.S., a company can say “hey it’s not working out. bye” and take chances on more people, firing them when they don’t work out. But this means it’s much easier to find jobs.
I think the U.S. practice overall is a little more free. People can move around more easily to where they truly belong. I never quite understood the appeal of forcing companies to have to keep someone on they don’t want. I don’t think it actually is more ethical to workers in the long run.
It’s much harder for companies to fire people in Western Europe because of laws, but by the same token it’s much harder to find a job because the companies have to be more careful.
“Hard to fire, hard to hire.”
See, also, “unintended consequences” of antidiscrimination laws.
I’ve noticed this too. Americans are much more /mobile/ period I think.
Mobility goes a long way to allowing someone more opportunities. Restrict mobility, and you really can hold people by the ballz…
When one person left a germany company my company works for with only a month notice most germans were puzzled, it is very unusual not to give 3 months notice you quit.
Months?
I find the idea of two weeks to be a long time where neither party can trust the other. Why would you trust an outbound employee for months?
well he left on good terms why not? also all his NDAs and shit were still in force.
There’s always something that caused the departure, else there wouldn’t be a departure. Not getting paid enough, not liking management, not liking the location. Unless they’re retiring, there is always a bad term in there.
a very good offer somewhere else.
ie, not paid enough.
meh. you may be payed above industry average and someone who really needs your skills comes with a big offer. I would not call that not payed enough. Also after a while you may just want to do something a bit different.
In that scenario, why would the new employer put up with a further delay of a full quarter then?
because that is how it works. If I got a new offer now I would say well at least 3 weeks. I cannot leave by contract earlier than two anyway.
Contract? What are you, a Union thug?
I assume every employee has a contract
At will employment for the win!
I’ve worked a few gigs where I had a contract, but they were pretty rare and were usually because of a buyout by a bigger company. (They wanted to be sure that the acquirees stuck around for a bit after being bought)
And even then, the contract didn’t prevent you from leaving. It just said that if you left early or under bad terms that you wouldn’t be paid a big bonus check.
I get one foist upon me by the illegal union, but that’s abnormal, especially among people who actually work.
this is strange for Europe or at least Romania. Everyone who works has a contract with terms. It makes life difficult if you don’t e.g can’t get e credit card or things like that. Also without one the government may suspect tax evasion.
Government unions and people who work?
One of the reasons that you might want him out sooner than later is because you don’t want him poisoning the other workers with his dangerous notions of higher pay.
Even if he is in a unique position, you don’t want other employees watching him and thinking “if he can get paid more $$ maybe I should look too.”
It can also be hard to plan at the original company if he has one foot out the door. Sure you can assign him tasks, but will he get them done? Or is he short timing it?
he did not get any new tasks just helped transfer his existing to others.
there may be reasons. but this is not what often happens here. depends on the company the employee etc
Yeah, here two weeks to transition is pretty normal. If you really are worried about losing some of that knowledge, you will offer the leaving employee a support contract that pays him $$ if you need to call him and get his help.
Like I said above, I’m not surprised at the differences. I think they pretty much follow that EUans are far more loyal to employers than Americans are.
Because he wasn’t actually doing anything important. That’s probably why.
But in all seriousness, it depends. I’ve known people in the U.S. who stayed on a long while, but chances are they usually weren’t going to a competitor. If they are going to a competitor, that’s a serious risk.
he was. He was a significant loss for the company.
Disagree.
*hides*
well you may but you have no idea what you are talking about so it’s okay
When has that ever stopped me?
My experiences in the legal world suggest the two weeks notice is more of a formality. I haven’t encountered anyone who actually stuck around for those two weeks. Hell, one of my previous employers changed the locks of the office within an hour of me giving mine.
That.
Notice for termination – a lot depends on who and why.
Termination by the employer for cause is always without notice, effective immediately.
Terminations by the employer without cause (layoffs) typically come with some notice, and are often done via offering severance packages, etc.
Termination by the employee, it depends. Low-level positions can be zero notice, they just stop showing up, or very short notice. Mid-level positions are expected to give two weeks, typically. The higher the level, the more notice. VPs, I would say 90 days minimum. CEOs, six months, minimum.
My contract says I’m supposed to give 3 months notice. It’s because the credentialing process takes months, so I get it. In reality I think all they can do is not pay the PTO balance if I leave without notice.
In reality I think all they can do is not pay the PTO balance if I leave without notice.
Realistically, maybe not even that – not familiar enough with wage and hour law to say for sure.
Theoretically, they could sue for damages. But they won’t.
I stayed at this current company to long out of personal fear of change or starting over and now I regret it…
” They are very loyal to the company and put up with a lot because they have found their job and are going to ride it out until they retire with their pension”
For example, just like a tenured Ivy League professor (who’s salary is mostly coming from the US taxpayer covering the failed student loans).
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut, if it’s buried under a newspaper headline
Adam Neumann’s troubles didn’t end when he was ousted from WeWork, the company he co-founded, after its failed IPO push. According to a Reuters report Monday, WeWork is being investigated by New York Attorney General Letitia James in a probe that is examining, among other things, whether or not Neumann engaged in self-dealing before he was ousted earlier this fall. “We received an inquiry from the office of the New York State Attorney General and are cooperating in the matter,” a WeWork spokesperson told the outlet.
Word of the investigation comes as WeWork prepares to slash its ranks by a third, potentially laying off about 4,000 employees as soon as this week as its new leadership seeks to stabilize the flailing start-up. “We have to make some necessary job eliminations,” executive chairman Marcelo Claure wrote in an email to employees Monday, according to the New York Times. “These actions will make us stronger and better able to generate even more opportunities over the coming months and years.”
That the strengthening of WeWork will apparently come at the expense of thousands of its employees is a fitting denouement to company’s downfall.
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Scrutiny from James could prove a major headache for Neumann, and it comes just days after Bloomberg reported that the office-share company is facing a preliminary SEC probe into its aborted IPO. What this all means for the company, which is trying to right the ship after a bailout from SoftBank, remains to be seen. Whatever happens, WeWork employees are likely to pay the price for Neumann’s misadventures.
Those poor employees. Were they working for free?
Still scratching my head trying to figure out why people thiought the wework concept was an idea worth investing in.
Meh. Just because the idea was wildly over-hyped doesn’t fundamentally make it a bad idea The thing is, it should have been managed and valued like a REIT, just with very short-term lease contracts and correspondingly higher rental rates. Nothing fundamentally wrong with that.
^This^
As someone who used to work out of his house, I would sometimes use a temporary office space just to get out of the house, or if I needed to meet a client.
The idea isn’t bad, especially with more and more people doing gig work in IT. But yeah, the hype of WeWork definitely pushed it into snake oil territory.
Its a scam. No one thought that, ever.
Yeah, if it’s nosediving because of the failure of the IPO and needing to lay-off a third of employees, something wasn’t right to begin with.
Jesus… how many shakedowns can that woman run at once?!
The AG’s office should not be a profit generating resource for the Government.
Whatever happens, WeWork employees are likely to pay the price for Neumann’s misadventures.
It would seem that who ever invested in WeWork would be the one paying the price.
I was on a business trip to France around 2004 or 2005. The French government was trying to institute a new policy (law or regulation, I don’t remember) that would allow employers to hire new college grads on probation for up to two years.
The TV news was interviewing a college senior that was horrified by the proposed change ”the company will be able to sack for just not doing your job”.
Fuck France. Fuck everyone that thinks the French have it figured out.
If you’re not doing your job, you shouldn’t get paid.
*glares at paperwork, sighs*
The corp I work for has a subsidiary in France. We would support joint projects between the US and France. The French managers loved it when we traveled to France, because the US engineers would work 45 to 50 hours a week while on the road. French engineers are limited by law to a 35 hour week. Since its impossible to get fired, that about 20 hours of work and 15 hours of breaks each week. Needless to say, deadlines mean nothing in France.
Not even sure what to make of this:
MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln
Between that, and this, the Oliver Stone documentaries, and the Democrats desperate attempt to muddy and cover-up through “impeachment” theater – I have no doubt that 95% of the $billions in foreign aid we sent them was simply stolen and divvied up between their corrupt politicians and ours.
John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama’s major campaign donors.
Uh, what?
https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/a-big-donor-goe.html
The thing is, Krugman isn’t really this stupid. Stuff he wrote for the general public thirty years ago was much more intelligent (if still reliably Keynesian). And his academic work was still sane when he wrote his last textbook. This isn’t some lout spewing economic inanities. It’s something much worse. Krugman has become something much worse, the intellectual cover for the louts. He knows better than the garbage he’s pushing, but doesn’t hesitate to continue pushing it because it’s popular with his target audience. You’d think, in serious intellectual circles, this would discredit him. Maybe it has. But, that doesn’t stop the Times from continuing to peddle it.
Krugman isn’t really this stupid.
He’s a retired economist who writes about politics.
“Republikkkinz BAAAAAD!”
Stupid or not, he makes a lot more money than I do.
That’s probably a big part of it. He’d never get that sweet gig at the NYT if he just wrote average, middle-of-the-road economic analysis. Another theory of mine is that he decided he wants to get appointed to a cabinet position in some Democrat administration, so now he just kisses Team Blue’s collective ass.
Another theory of mine is that he decided he wants to get appointed to a cabinet position in some Democrat administration, so now he just kisses Team Blue’s collective ass.
I’ve considered that possibility. But, wouldn’t being a reliable TEAM member without the left-wing extremism make more sense on that front? He could easily enough tout the “we always need moar spending!” line without saying crap like the problem with Europe is that the Germans aren’t profligate enough.
To quote myself, “Honorable men might win, but they do not conquer.”
Wait, are you saying there’s somthing dishonorable about my expansionist drive?
Wanna have some fund this Thanksgiving? How about an alcohol-free, vegan potluck hanging out with violence-prone birds?
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/erie-animal-sanctuary-welcomes-public-to-enjoy-turkeys-company-not-taste-at-thanksgiving-potluck
“Never met a turkey before? The sanctuary posted that this event is the perfect time to learn more about the “inquisitive and sweet nature of these beautiful birds.” “
“Never met a turkey before? The sanctuary posted that this event is the perfect time to learn more about the
“inquisitive and sweet naturefucking horrible stench of thesebeautifulstinky-ass birds.” ““inquisitive and sweet nature of these beautiful birds.”
Writer has never seen turkey toms fight.
Also aren’t turkeys known to drown themselves when it rains?
I have twice watched tom turkeys attack another tom that had just been shot. Nice.
No, turkeys do not drown when it rains. Not the wild ones, anyway. I have watched them in the rain, and light rain they ignore, Heavy rain, they get under tree cover.
I need a book to read tomorrow. Recommendations please.
Preferably Sci-Fi, but not part of a series.
Damn.
Yeah I know. Your stuff is on my long term roadmap.
Federal Budget?
That’s a series leading to everyone going to hell in a hand-basket…
To say nothing of the dog 🙂
Dune?
Well that was kind of like 1.5 books…
This was… weird. STEVE SMITH and Catholic haters both approve. Definitely sci-fi.
Tuf Voyaging, by George R.R. Martin
Seconded. One of his better efforts.
What are his worse?
I’m generally not a fan. I thought Game of Thrones was a disgrace.
Honestly, he was sufficiently disappointing that I don’t remember what else he’s excreted.
I enjoyed the Tuf stories and was surprised he was the author when I got the omnibus collection.
he has a lot of interesting short stories. not great but good imagination.
Very enjoyable.
Footfall – Niven / Pournelle
Good book, Lucifer’s Hammer is another good one, as well as Oath of Fealty (sticking with the Niven/Pournelle theme).
He never specified it had to be a good book.
I read Lucifer’s Hammer probably around 30 years ago. I recall enjoying it.
I was going to suggest Her Brother’s Keeper by Mike Kupari… but it turns out who wrote a sequal this year.
I just finished Song of Kali by Dan Simmons
Not Sci-Fi, but very creepy and dark.
I need to read that one. I was going to suggest Ilium but remembered it has a sequel.
The Library at Mount Char, Hawkins
The Great North Road, Hamilton
The Best of all Possible Worlds, Lord
Earth Abides George R. Stewart
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1656242.Earth_Abides
Great one.
Good one!
From Econlog
https://www.econlib.org/my-five-favorite-novels-with-economics-themes/
The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047 is the sci-fi one.
Armor. John Steakley.
Kind of long for reading in a day, though.
If that’s what you’re shooting for.
I’m shocked that you chose that one…
(I actually enjoyed that series!)
Series? I thought he had a sequel half written when he died.
I think he had, at best, a chapter.
Kingdoms of the Wall
The Face of the Waters
Roma Eterna
The Alien Years
all Robert Silverberg standalones
The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson
Some of the prose gets a little overwrought and a bit repetitive. If you can get past that, it’s a great story.
Another theory of mine is that he decided he wants to get appointed to a cabinet position in some Democrat administration, so now he just kisses Team Blue’s collective ass.
I think he figgered he was a lock to be Treasury Secty or head of the Federal Reserve in the Clintonstocracy. Having that snatched away by Public Enemy Number One tipped him over hard. He never recovered.
” Recommendations please.”
A Canticle for Liebowitz
The Chicoms are using the rich man’s religion (wokism) against people who support freedom.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article237379689.html
FTA:
“University of Missouri-Kansas City officials removed a piece of pro-Hong Kong democracy artwork from the hallway of the school’s Fine Arts Building this week, after Chinese students said it was offensive.
The work is an image that appears torn in two. One piece is red, with yellow stars arranged in a swastika and #CHINAZI written underneath. The other side is black, depicting a person wearing a yellow raincoat and gas mask with an umbrella on the side and #FREE HONG KONG written above.”
AND
“In an email to the art professor who displayed the work and Elijah Gowin, who chairs the Department of Art and Art History at UMKC, students said “many students have felt a sense of racism.”
The email also said that the majority of students interpreted the ideology depicted in the art “as derogatory. … Not only the swastika symbol, but the hashtag #CHINAZI also showed the extremely disrespectful attitude towards the country.”
Wokism is truly an evil faith.
wokism) against people who support freedom
Isn’t Wokism always used against free people.
Looks like the university didn’t bend the knee in this case, so that’s something.
“However, in response to student complaints, we have taken this as a learning opportunity about challenging and transgressive art, and will be extending the normal three week cycle until the beginning of Christmas Break. We hope that this will give our students the opportunity for open dialogue about the role of art in politics and society.”
Now do menstrual blood Jesus.
Uffda. Anytime anyone mentions commies you start in with your Red Scare bullshit.
I prefer Christ on toast.
Get your Christmas shopping done.
I think I’ll stay on the Path of True Faith
“many students have felt a sense of racism.”
Because of the yellow paint?
Many students are whiny little twats
One piece is red, with yellow stars arranged in a swastika and #CHINAZI written underneath.
It’s sad that the Hammer and Sickle is not considered a shocking enough symbol. We need to show more 80s action films in schools to teach the kids that commies can be bad guys too.
Make them watch The Killing Fields
I always thought the vapid “Imagine” by John Lennon was a poor choice for the closing scene of that movie.
Nevermind the “imagine no possessions, no religion” bullshit. It could have been the theme song for the Khmer Rouge while they nailed babies to trees.
We actually watched that in my high school. A government school, in the early 2000s, no less. Although it was a DoD school, so that might have something to do with it. Or maybe it was just the teacher – the same teacher also showed us Hotel Rwanda. That history class was kind of a downer.
“Pro Hong Kong”
“racism”
I don’t get it.
Well, you see, supporting the Han Chinese against the Han Chinese means… um…
*sigh* My alma mater *sigh*
Is Greta Thunberg a Time Traveller?
Plain girl wearing braids was never done before.
Did drugs fall out of Greta’s ass?
They were in a biodegradable baggie.
Somehow Horizontal Harris is still in the debates but Temptress Tulsi isn’t.
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchell and Kristen Welker, as well as Washington Post White House reporter Ashley Parker, will serve as moderators.
Setting up for a estrogen-packed evening of hard-hitting questions I am sure.
Rachel Maddow
How can you miss a debate hosted by such a distinguished Rhodes Scholar?
I’ll take the empty podium FTW
Nice take down WM.
you have to wonder whether people who say such things have paid any attention to either Europe or America over the past few decades.
Of course we have. We know that France has a per capita GDP of $45,775, which makes it poorer than the median US and 27 US states. Why would we take economic advice from the French?
The nuclear energy system?
Progs triggered.
Alright, other than using nukes to generate electricity, why would we take economic advice from the French?
Not Keynesian enough
That’s an interesting take. And by “interesting”, I mean absolutely disconnected from both the original intention of Keynes and the reality of European central bank policy.
Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million
An indictment drawn up by Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that Hunter Biden and his partners received $16.5 million for their ‘services’ – according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.
Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.
“Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it,” said the MP. “It was issued on November 14.”
“The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering,” he then said, adding “Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens.”…
“We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt,” said Dubinsky, adding that “in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds.”
According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the ‘family’ of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party.”…
“The son of Templeton’s founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama’s major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama’s national security advisor,” Derkach added.
Please Stop posting links to Debunked Conspiracies.
We know ukraine is only doing this because Trump has threatened them. This is further Proof of Trumps Wrong Doing.
So this did really happen. I saw one link about it and then I never saw any other corporate press outlet talk about it. How are conservatives not jumping all over this? What a time to be alive
If this story were true, it is almost in “too big to fail” mode. If you investigate and it is all true, how are you realistically going to put that many people in jail and effectively gut one of the two major parties.
I also doubt that it is only the Dems who had money laundering operations going on in the Ukraine. Any investigation would also turn up a lot of dirt on GOP wheeler/dealers.
* All of this is predicated on there really being a scandal in the Ukraine and that this isn’t some hoax.
McCain’s fingerprints were all over that staged Ukarainian “revolution”. I doubt he’s the only one.
Yeah. Its hard to believe something that would be so monumental. We’ll see though If the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. Ukranian Parlimant asks prosecutor to look into Trump, Rand Paul, Mitch McConnel, etc) i don’t know if we would have a reserved media. Doesn’t mean we should believe it, just pointing out that when it comes to things the Media is willing to be more credulous with far less evidence.
Yeah. Its hard to believe something that would be so monumental.
I find it quite plausible. Ties in nicely, in fact, with the narrative that we were sending aid to Ukraine that was stolen and diverted to various players (“money laundering”). Who better to launder large sums than a corrupt large international company like Burisma?
If this story were true, it is almost in “too big to fail” mode.
Yup. If true, then its the Epstein of financial scandals – way too many powerful people implicated for it not to be shut down.
The real money isn’t in the paltry million-dollar-a-year no-show jobs.
Its in steering capital to “investment firms”. I think Biden Jr and Kerry Jr are both involved in one of those which has been “inexplicably” stuffed full of Chinese cash.
The real money is in the $billion “aid” checks. I thing that is what was really getting stolen and laundered. Wouldn’t shock me if Romney was part of the scheme.
Is it time for me to put my office Christmas tree up yet?
Is it after Thanksgiving?
THEN NO!
^
People on my street already have xmas lights up. It’s ridiculous. Idk when we started skipping from Halloween* to Xmas.
*another one that has turned what should maybe be a week into an entire month+…
*bottom lip out*
But–