When I signed off last night, I was sure the wife had the stomach flu. Happily, it turned out to be a 24 hour stomach bug. A little cleanup on aisle six and I got her to sleep. All good today. I was NOT looking forward to several days of that.
Birthdays were had today. They were covered in OMWC’s morning link vomit.
Out of the bowels of the media, let’s do some links!
Stomach churning. I’ve always found it ironic that the annual flu shot is based on a guess. And many times wrong.
If there’s a way to screw up a good thing, California knows how to puke it up.
Plenty of rhetoric being spewed on both sides, but I think I come down on the side of the ranchers.
More verbal diarrhea from a failure of a politician.
I’m sure she doesn’t smell like poop.
The FBI is totes not full of shitlords.
Okay, I’m crapped out. Time for a tune. I loved The Doors as a kid. I don’t care if it makes some of you hurl.
Awesome sauce!
Glad the wife had only a brief bug.
#metoo.
Glad the wife had only a brief bug.
Seconded.
So glad she wasn’t too sick!
Thank you. That would have made for an ugly few days.
Awesome dodging that bullet! The stomach flu is ungodly.
I hate the stomach flu. She doesn’t throw up. That on top of teeth chattering chills had me thinking the worst.
I think I got what you fear she had, minus the vomiting. 🙁
From all of this, it sounds like I don’t want to leave the house for the next couple months or so.
“Plenty of rhetoric being spewed on both sides, but I think I come down on the side of the ranchers.”
Having lived this story out I am pretty comfortable saying “fuck wolf lovers.” The idea that the government can come in and say ‘you have no right to protect your own property’ is such bullshit. When I was on the receiving end of some watermelon/bureaucrat collaboration of ‘lets reintroduce wolves into the environment’ I got to watch as cattle and Elk were slaughtered and wolf populations grew unchecked. When the ranch I worked for lost at least 20K in revenue in lost calves (ranchers are only compensated if they can ‘prove’ cows were lost to wolf predation, those killed and full consumed on grazing leases are losses ranchers just get to eat, I lost all patient with granola-crunching hippies with nothing to losing waxing all eloquent about loving the ‘idea wolves are out there.’ Fuck you hippies, if you love them so much you live with and pay for their food.
Let’s say there’s a number of wolves that are killed in Idaho and never reported. And the AR-15 is the favored platform for removing coyotes.
/Shoot, shovel and shut up’ was the mantra in NW Montana.
Montana opening them to hunting has nearly solved the problem. Now that locals can shoot them legally (or illegally without the risk of spending years in federal prison) the problem’s are significantly fewer and further between. When they were still on the endangered species list and fully protected they were a damned nightmare. On more than one occasion witnessed them trying to steal calves in the barnyard.
Last year we had a wolf go on a rampage on the east side of the state. Killed 270 in one night.
Idaho requires a permit to shoot a wolf, most don’t bother.
Ran across an Idaho trapper in the mountains last week, he had a 80 lb wolf on the back of his side by side.
A young one then.
Nice links. If you mix quick and easy, you get queasy.
Had a couple Apple Pie Moonshine and Apple Cider drinks. Now on a Zywiec 1881 Porter. Give it a thumbs up. Just started Elf.
from a failure of a politician
Shouldn’t failing at politicianing be considered a good thing?
Everything they do is failure. The only time they seem to do a good thing is when they undo something a previous politician did, but they manage to fuck that up most times as well.
It does when you campaign as one thing and govern as another.
Snark fail, I assumed ‘failure of a politician’ was supposed to be an insult.
It can be both at the same time. I have particular animus towards Flake. That guys a cunte.
Also The Doors suck and whomever was pushing The Allan Parsons Project the other night , you owe me 45 minutes, I Robot, is not a good album. Now I’m going to listen to The Raff to cleanse my musical palette, also Bah Humbug!
I don’t mind the Doors, but it’s easy to be sick of the radio favorites. Can’t get into the games APP play, though, in the middle of the night.
I’ll buy you dinner.
Try The System of Dr. Tarr and Professor Feather.
Well I’m headed to Total Wine to peruse beers I’ve not tried. Any recommendations for import Stouts/Porters?
Anchor Porter is my fav of that category.
Anchor Liberty Ale used to be a standard.
Also an excellent choice, I dig Steam and Liberty. Liberty is a great example of a non hop bomb IPA. I believe it was the first post-Prohibition American example of the style.
Imports?
Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout
Murphy’s
Baltika
are my first picks for import stouts/Porters.
They didn’t have Anchor Porter (can testify that it’s awesome though)
Here’s what I went with:
Young’s Double Chocolate Stout
Belhaven 90 shilling Wee Heavy
Innis & Gunn Bourbon Barrel Porter
MacEwans Scotch Ale
Monks Blood Dark Belgian
I was really close to getting some Murphy’s, which I really like, but wanted everything to be something I haven’t had
Looking forward to some reviews.
Same.
Just had O’Fallon smoked porter. Absolutely delicious. Highly recommend if you like a smokey flavor.
Not an import although most of the hops are German.
Pardon my early OT, but I wanted to make sure I got this in before the Christmas rush, and besides I usually read the site 2-3 days behind.
Sending good vibes out to any Glibs who might be going thru a rough time, or just getting out of one: Yusef and his lovely wife; Suthenboy and his lovely wife; Evan, wherever the hell he is in the world right now; Sir Digby; Mojeaux (my Glib-crush) who’s finally about to leave that money-pit house; and anyone else I forgot, who has recently lost a family member or pet or been hit with illness or cash flow problems.
But special thank-you vibes go out to SP (and her Old Man) for maintaining this wonderful place where I can come and listen to like-minded opinions and learn a thing or two. My life would be diminished without it.
I am about to crack open a bottle of Seagram’s Extra Smooth vodka, which will be chased with cranberry-flavored ginger ale. (Give me a break, I’m lower-middle-class and have a palate to match.) I raise a glass in salute to all of you.
Merry Christmas and get off my lawn, fuckin’ Tulpas.
Yeah, it’s about that time. ?
It’s Saturday. You’re way late.
I don’t (can’t, really) drink during the day.
Not necessarily a bad philosophy.
I’ve mentioned it before, but day-drinking just ruins nite-drinking for me – which is when I really want to drink anyway. I was told to “pace myself” but that doesn’t seem to work for me. I have a certain time limit and then I have to stop, unless I want to have a bad time the next day.
Copy. I’m a marathoner, not a sprinter. I can keep it to one an hour.
I’m with you there. I’m having a lazy football day watching this Bill/Pats game and looking forward to the next one, but even still I’m waiting till five for my first. Part of it is kids and I want to be on in case of emergency and not waning them to see me lit, but even when I was young and single I wasn’t a big day drinker. I usually ended up passing out way too early.
So can I, but only for a few hours. I don’t sprint.
I can be stone-sober after an afternoon of drinking and still know that I don’t want another.
I am smart enough to know that day drinking needs to be kept to a minimum. That’s not something you want to become a daily habit.
@Spud
Totally agree about day drinking.
No worries. If you knew the level of effort I don’t put into the SEL, you wouldn’t apologize.
Merry Christmas!
Thank you so much for the good wishes! (I’m over here blushing at Glib-crush.)
You have a merry Christmas as well.
Nobody has a glib-crush on me *kicks a rock*
Go Bills!! Beat the Pats!!
Yep, yep. I have a soft spot for perennial losers and I’m beyond sick of the Pats at this point.
I don’t want to jinx it.
Go Pats!!!
I can’t even.
Bills suck. Patriotism is sometimes a good thing.
Yeah but the fucking Patriots? Ugh, lazy.
You’re a Jets fan aren’t you? Admit it!
Nope. I only started watching football regularly again this year so I never developed any liking for my local teams. I root for the Bills because that’s where I grew up.
Too bad. 11 division titles in a row now, although it won’t surprise me if that streak ends next year. The Bills look to have something going on there now, and the Patriots really look to be on the downswing. The last twenty years has really been the golden age of New England sports, and I’ve tried to enjoy it without being a dick about it.
Speaking of Glib-crushs…
“The FBI is totes not full of shitlords.”
I’m not saying the hacker should get more time. I just wish other pranksters got the same leniency. The fucking guy who accidentally broke MySpace got several years probation from being able to access a computer.
Srsly? This is an FBI operative, using official FBI resources to prevent an American citizen from saying mean things about Mueller in an obvious partisan manner. More time? yes please, but more importantly, please charge all the rest of them too.
It sounds like instead of using FBI resources the FBI operative used his wife who just happened to work for the GOP operative and knew his email password.
Yeah, I guess you’re right. Still it’s pretty egregious for them to be inserting themselves into partisan bickering and in the usual direction of benefit, of course.
I don’t care if the government pays its agents in cash or in dick, when the agents act to stifle speech they don’t like they get to fertilize the Tree.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/01/31/houston-astros-hacking-scandal-st-louis-cardinals-punishment
That guy got 46 months in the federal pen. This FBI asshole gets 7 days. The two should have their sentences swapped.
Next beer. Samuel Smith’s Nut Brown Ale. One of my favs! Elf is great:)
I like your profile Spud.
Wife is watching some spy movie now. She also loves cop dramas. They make me angry. Cops/gmen are always noble, brave heroes saving the rest of us from cardboard cutout bad guys. Who writes this shit? It is pure propaganda.
Then I come here and read about lying, asshole cops shooting some young woman for being home and FBI slimeballs illegally spying on political opponents. Anyone who has anything on the Clintons ends up dead*, everyone in the deep state is shitting on the constitution as fast and hard as they can, the whole Dem field are the worst shitweasel dictator wannabes I have ever seen in this country….on and on. They are all a waste of skin.
Earlier on some show she was watching they were outlining how awful the govt of Venezuela is and put a plug in for an imaginary candidate running against the sitting govt by touting that the dreamy imaginary candidate was running on ‘Social Justice’. I shit you not.
*If you think liabilities deeply involved in Clinton’s schemes would be the only people ending up shooting themselves with other people’s guns after Clinton gets her hands on true power I have a bridge to sell you, and some choice real estate at bargain prices.
Same issue with my wife. I find myself cheering obvious bad guys on the shows and know it is time to walk away.
Glad your wife’s OK, Spud.
We have a slight scare right now with the measels. Seems a guy at work just flew back from japan on a plane with someone infected with the measels. That guy’s in quarantine, and if he tests positive, the whole shop will be quarantined. Not sure when we find out. I got the MMR shot, but it was in the early seventies. They say before ’78 and they might not be enough.
Geez. I got chicken pox as a kid, but only had one blister. My youngest son got shingles, and the next thing I knew, I was blisters head to toe. I had to call in sick on Christmas, which is a major no no in the fire service.
Yeah, everyone’s kinda freaked out. I guess it’s a way bigger deal to get this stuff when you’re older. Odds are still low, because there was prolly about 300 or so people on the plane.
Measles? WTF? Isn’t Japan a modern society with modern medicine and immunizations?
College students rank Hitler, Stalin, Trump, Jesus, and Obama.
[anguished Zoidberg groan]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lZ0j0XNBA
They should have put The Beatles in there.
George is cool, you can keep the rest of them. They’re all better than Hillary or Obama, though.
That school is about 5 miles from my house. I’m not shocked by what they found.
I’m not watching – did any of them not put Obama on top?
At least one went one notch under Jesus. Seems like none of them knew who Stalin was and one didn’t know who Jesus was. Reagan got placed lower than Hitler once and trump was less than the Fuhrer too.
Oh, and Zuckerburg got the number one slot, above Obama even.
The derp was too strong- I couldn’t watch the whole thing. Several of the college students didn’t know who Stalin was and a few didn’t know about the Holocaust.
The faint ray of hope was the black student who said he liked Obama because Obama is black. Points for honesty, at least.
Thanks, Suthen. I think I stole my profile from you.
I’m fiercely patriotic, but it’s not because of the government, it’s in spite of it. I’m optimistic we can get past the current bullshit, but if not, we fall back to the cabin and blow the bridge.(That’s a joke NSA, a joke)
I don’t know if I’m going to live that long.
You don’t have to put a disclaimer in that Spud. I keep saying…America is not the US govt. America is us. The people. The culture. The ideals. America is not a place, not a govt., it is an idea and I am fiercely patriotic as well.
Someone here put me on to the Roku recently. I told wife about it. She bought one and her son helped her set it up. She has been watching a bunch of Limey shows lately.
Yesterday she was cussing the idiots so I said….”You know, we shot as many as we could and sent the rest packing. Spend five minutes over there and you will understand why.”
America is an idea, and speaking internationally not a very popular one.
“America is not the US govt. America is us. The people. The culture. The ideals. America is not a place, not a govt., it is an idea and I am fiercely patriotic as well.”
Hence the reason the marxists figured out they couldn’t win with economic Marxism. America would never go for it. They’ve pretty successfully pivoted to cultural Marxism and are making a pretty scary amount of progress. I know there are some here who disagree but IMO they’ve figured out what they need to do to win.
I don’t think that the majority of people are buying into the cultural Marxism. I would say that most people don’t even know it exists, and when they get hints of it they reject it.
It’s not that they’re embracing it, it’s the shifting of Overtons window where they are making ground. America by and large said “Ok, gay marriage is fine”….but did they stop there and seek common ground with average-joe American? Instantly it became about “bake the cake bigot.” This is a loaded example but one of the easiest to sum up. It’s about dragging everything leftward and keeping people on the defensive. They don’t need converts, they just need the narrative.
^^^
Misgendering and so on. It’s creeping into HR policies at non-woke companies.
For this to work, the majority of kids have to reject all the BS they learn in school. That’s a big ask.
I’m asking.
Thanks for that. That’s what I tell people about California. Talk to the folks here and you’ll see we are you. The dem/ops are so strong here, they win everything, but joe blow just keeps trying to get by and be cool.
Same in most of NY – the left is eventually going to overplay their hand and get rejected. I hope.
Two thumbs up, Suthen. I would say that America is an idea that is not popular with international governments. Given the number of people who want to come here, I think the people get it.
Many do, most don’t. It was depressing to read the other day that one of us Glibs works with a lot of internationals who go through the motions to get their citizenship but privately admit they hate us and our ideas.
That is some fine doublethink. Most telling, the pols here who make great efforts to import as many people who hate our ideas as they can.
I want what you have but I don’t want to do what you did to get it. I kind of get that as they were reared to be serfs. The ones that get me are the natives. “If we elect D.T. what will the rest of the world think of us?” <—read in whiney voice.
I remember that anecdote. I didn’t find it persuasive.
If it makes you feel any better I work with and personally friends with many, many naturalized Americans who very much believe in American ideals.
One of them is also very libertarian. When we first met at work it took about 6 months before we let down our guard and we both realized we shared the same politics.
number of people who want to come here
they hate us and our ideas
Most of my naturalized friends don’t believe in freedom (not that I’m all that impressed with my WoD FISA stop-and-frisk Terry stop natural-born neighbors, either). They’re here for mo money.
Even if the choice is between
a/ being abused and poor in Paraguay or
b/ being abused and relatively rich in Rochester
they’ll be wading across.
I think where we are fucking up is not to help CNN and progtards convince the immigrants how much better Europe is. Then they will go there, I mean the ones who can afford 60% income tax rates and 25% VAT taxes. I mean if the boat doesn’t sink before they arrive and they can learn the language and actually get a job. Otherwise, I hear the migrant camps in Greece are wonderful.
The most British thing I have ever seen:
“SHOOT TO KILL” WORLD WAR II BRITISH ARMY INFANTRY WEAPONS TRAINING FILM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXqwh2o_zzs
Tally ho, lads!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._A._G._Osmani#/media/File%3AMAG_osmani.jpg
For a Britain that no longer exists.
Well, at least we have the memories:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzBcIXJXTo
Keep a stiff upper lip, chaps.
The pop superstar, whose name is Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, revealed on social media on Wednesday that she can’t remember last time she’s bathed as she teased what many fans hope will be her sixth studio album come 2020.
No thank you.
oh, how I laughed: Confederate re-enactors meet slavery re-enactors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldMb_TZtq0c
a Key and Peele skit
Today in good news/bad news.
Good news, you can install Windows 10 with a Windows 7 key. It registers and everything.
Bad news, the motherboard I got had the old BIOS on it, so it won’t POST. My current two options are ordering a new one from Newegg (and confirming they’re going to ship the one with the new BIOS), or opening a ticket with AMD (who has a program where they send you an old CPU so you can at least POST and flash the BIOS).
Good news, the machine I’m gifting to my nephews is up and running, so I have that going for me right now. And I’ll be burning it in this weekend.
Bad news, the Browns are playing tomorrow.
Two different issues – your Win10 upgrade and new your new build, right?
Otherwise use a DOS boot disk to upgrade the BIOS.
Windows 10 is awesome. It seizes control of everything and protects you from errors like changing the volume on old movies, or uninstalling skype, or making my merc keyboard work.
I’ve also had a fair amount of troubles with its 6 month upgrade cadence.
Here at Casa Sensei we run 6 machines. Wife, son, me X2, and HTPC (stuck on Win7 due to CableCard support) and a NUC. Wife and son also have Apple laptops that I refuse to touch.
Latest upgrade won’t work on my NUC and a 3rd party disk imaging program on my gaming rig broke upgrades until I figured out what it fucked up in the registry.
Related, but different. I was upgrading my gaming machine (new CPU, motherboard, vid card, and RAM), and taking my old components to put into a machine that’s being gifted on Christmas.
Can’t even use a DOS boot disk, the system won’t even POST. Lights on the motherboard turn on, so I know the power supply is good, but it won’t even get the fans spinning. Calling Asus confirmed that it’s a BIOS issue, and there’s no fix without a different CPU or motherboard.
AMD likes to do that with new CPUs. I know the issue that you are talking about,
Is it AM4? You may be able to eBay a used CPU cheaper or easier than go through all the hassle of shipping the MB or contacting AMD.
It is an AM4. I’ve opened the ticket with AMD. They already have a program in place for this, where they’ll ship you a POS CPU to flash the system.
It’s my first time running into this issue, and it’s a real pain in the ass. I’ve seen the warnings before… but never had a system that wouldn’t POST for this reason.
you computer dudes make my head hurt
where’s the idle screw on those things ?
Think of Windows 10 as the switch from timing lights and adjustable carbs to everything controlled by a chip that can only be reprogrammed at the dealership.
Cars don’t even have idle screws anymore.
Good luck with the machine. I recently replaced both the video card and power supply in my computer because both had failing fans. Thankfully it went smoothly.
Part of it was my fault. There was a compatibility warning that the motherboard may need to be flashed before it would work with the CPU, but usually I buy from Newegg (who burns through stock fast enough that’s never been an issue before). It doesn’t help that I was doing all of this on ~4 hours sleep.
Speaking of, the other good news, the maintenance window for Sunday morning has been cancelled. The last server finished, and they decided to bring it up early. It’s a Festivus miracle!
All right, I was asking about that the other day, this will come in handy.
Download the installation here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
You can burn an ISO to a DVD, upgrade from the download, or build a bootable USB drive from the download. I’d recommend downloading any network drivers you have for Windows 7/10 before doing the new installation/upgrade just in case.
Yeah, I read a C-Net article that linked to that page and said the any-time upgrade was still working. But C-Net isn’t as reliable as it used to be.
I heard that the free upgrade was working as well. Past experience has made me cautious about upgrades instead of just clean installations. I’ve seen upgrades cause more headaches (and take up more resources) then a clean installation. Testing on the machine that’ll be handed over in a couple of days. The clean install was relatively painless (with the exception of network card drivers). So after that I formatted the two 1 TB drives in there, labeled one as Applications, and the other as Backups. I’ve installed all of the game clients I’m aware of, and set up a backup as of the current installation.
If things get bad with tech support calls from the nephews, I may lock it down more (I’ve already turned UAC up to the max).
Tee hee, l0b0t’s first call – “How do I turn off this cursed UAC?”
Those Are you sure? pop-ups drove me to distraction.
So you would advise against doing it as an upgrade? Well shit, I got way to much shit that would have to be reinstalled then.
lobot: This computer is being handed over to two boys just under the teenage years. The admin passwords will be with their parents and me, not them. Few thing encourage smart children to learn computers then trying to get around porn blocks.
CPRM: Honestly, you can try the upgrade, but I’ve usually seen issues with them. Back up the system (if you can), do the upgrade, if you have issues then you can do a clean install. All that’s lost in that case is time.
Jesus people. Just do a clean install and use the Microsoft toolkit. All these things, and more, have already been liberated for the cause. Chances are you’ve bought a license from Micro$oft at some point in the past (like buying a computer with windows installed); it’s not your fault they purposely keep making your OS obsolete, nor is it unreasonable to wait beyond the free upgrade period to make sure that your not “upgrading” to junk (I’m looking at you, Windows Vista).
If I had my choice, I’d still be on Win2K. I haven’t bought a PC in over 25 years, I’ve just built my own.
I thought 2000 was alright. I learned the ropes on 98, and always thought it was great. Of course, installing it (and 2000, IIRC) required all kinds of high wizardry, like formatting the hard drive, etc. Hours and hours partitioning, formatting, etc.
Vista was a dog, and so were ME and 8. I don’t mind Windows 10, it’s pretty fast and reliable, but why did they have to rename and move everything, after how many previous editions?
Are you sure it’s not the RAM? When I used to build towers, I would get that behavior from bad RAM. Do you have another stick you can put in to test?
Even in a good year the flu vaccine is only about 60 prevent effective. Better than nothing, but not great.
I’m fairly well convinced flu shots at the very least are just a sweet boondoggle for the drug companies and FDA.
60 percent effectiveness against something that killed 3 to 5 percent of the world’s population exactly 101 years ago doesn’t sound like a boondoggle to me.
RIP great grandpa Lytton.
^ this.
Sure but what percentage of that percentage were assholes that we’d be better off without?
A plurality.
They’d all be dead now anyway.
3 billion dollar a year industry that the CDC pushes relentlessly. I’m not an anti-vaxer but neither am I convinced the public good is the only reason they are pushing it.
I was told there would be no math.
Work has provided free flu shots for the last 15 or 20 years. I have always gotten one. They are given in October to be a full effect by flu season in January.
One year, I still got flu (tested positive). I have never been so miserable in my life. The good news is that Tamiflu worked great.
A couple of years later, I came down with the flu symptoms in early December. I did not test positive, but I told the doctor I know what the flu feels like. So he gave me Tamiflu, and again it worked great.
Even in “good” years, the flu is a killer. Anything that cuts your risk in half or better is a good thing.
I’ve only gotten it once (5 years ago) and it truly was the worst I’ve felt in my life. Kinnath is right on.
I had it relatively easy — no respiratory problems. Just a wicked fever that went from shivering under four quilt to sweating through all four quilts — back and forth all night. That and every muscle I ever tweaked in my life reminded me that they were there and they were not happy.
The older I get, the more I fear what influenza can do.
When I was working, flu shots were mandatory, and free. It’s just an annual event for me. Now that I’m in my 50’s, the last thing I want is the flu.
By the way, glad to hear the wife is feeling better. A house with the flu in it isn’t a fun house.
Thanks, straff. I appreciate it.
I suspect that I am immune to flu. I remember having it as a child, but not once in the last 3 decades. And I know that I’m a carrier for strep, would get tested positive as a kid but wasn’t sick at all. Hell, I could have it right now, unsuspectingly passing it to everyone I meet as a special Christmas present.
I’ve managed to give myself a sinus infection just before I traveled for the holidays. Luckily the antibiotics seem to be working pretty well.
Julian Edelman is turning me antisemitic.
Edelman just kicked the Bills ass.
Edelman is a badass, no doubt about that.
If you dislike Edelman you are just wrong. I get hating the big bully that is the Pats, but Edleman is a little slow white dude being a star by force of will. Hating him is almost as un American as liking Modell’s Nazis from Balmer
The Ravens are all that is good and right about football. Anyone who doesn’t enjoy watching the Jackson-Ingram-Andrews show probably spends their spare time fantasizing about felching Liz Warren.
Art Modell’s stolen team, relocated from football country to the slavery loving but afraid to secede State named after Bloody Mary is nothing anyone decent should root for.
Ravens are treif btw.
If it weren’t for Lamar Jackson, Baltimore would be vying with the Bengals for the suckest ass team in the NFL. And Playa is the one who wants to felch Lizzie Warren.
Remind me? What happens to teams that depend on running QBs?
You get the 49ers with Kaepernik.
Hmm, I recall the Vikings doing pretty well with Tarkenton. But of course, this isn’t your daddy’s run team. Ingram, and Edwards are something that teams like the Redskins never had to go with RG3.
I don’t think I’ve seen so much wrong in two sentences before in my life.
Felching Liz Warren after Jerry Nadler has done the fill-up.
Careful about setting challenges.
I don’t think Nadler could get the job done. Probably would require a train.
That is sickly on topic…..*barfs in mouth a bit*
Well may there be no injuries in tomorrows game, and a repeat of the first meeting between the Browns and the Ravens.
I will probably not be watching, as the playoff chances are slim, and the last couple of games have been… bad. Just… bad.
I suspect with the rebuilt Ravens defense, things may be a bit different. But we’ll see tomorrow.
Hell, the last three Browns games have me thinking the players are trying to tank to get rid of Kitchens. It’s mildly entertaining to me that we looked the best against the Ravens.
Like a self hating Jew is a new thing? 😉
good evening ladies and gentlemen; welcome to the end of western civilization:
Florida Woman Dating 4 Guys Gets Pregnant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8CL6-27HuA
I see trigglypuff and four cucks, no woman and men.
“I see trigglypuff”
I am so not clicking on that.
come to the nightmare, come with me
you know you wanna….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utsyWNoupM
I’m going to provide some links of Lena Dunham nekked now, enjoy.
She looks like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons now:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lena-dunham-ehlers-danlos-syndrome-diagnosis-walking-stick
***
The star, 33, confessed she was “struggling” in the pictures, in which she’s seen sporting a long blue nightie, slippers and grey cardigan.
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome is an inherited condition that affects the skin, joints, bones and organs.
Dunham wrote on Instagram: “I could choose to be embarrassed by these paparazzi pics — I mean, that’s probably the point of someone publishing them in the first place— but I’m really not.
“I could lie and say it was an early Halloween look (Don’t you get it? I’m going as a con woman leaving a Florida Keys jail after being acquitted of murdering her husband, and now she’s trying to get disability license plates.)
“But the truth is just: This is what life is like when I’m struggling most with chronic illness.
***
I’d feel sorry for her if not for the fact that if she was healthier and better looking, she’d be shitting on other people non-stop.
By making them replusive to look at?
If we’re not strong enough to survive an ugly chick getting knocked up by one of 4 guys in my weekly D&D campaign, we don’t deserve to continue as a civilization.
There is someone for everybody
There really is.
Incels have absolutely no excuse.
Justice Holmes is spinning.
“Incels have absolutely no excuse.”
Who took their intertoobz away?
For every pot, there is a lid
True, but 10 years of the abyss of endless sorrow that is online dating….
The pickins are slim and the women are not.
I call bullshit on that. I loved internet dating and it’s how I found my wife. So many women, so little time, that was the way I always saw it.
Either we have very different standards or you were trying it in a very different time and/or demographic than I was
Well, if you’re the typical Glib who only dates Supermodels, then maybe so. But if you have reasonable standards, on the other hand. Myself, I felt like a little kid turned loose in a candy store with unlimited cash.
About when was this if you don’t mind me asking?
Also, I was living in an area, Balmer/DC area, with about 5 million people living within a 50 mile radius of me, so there’s that. But if my wife decides to take off, I would go back to it in a heartbeat. I won’t be lonely for sure.
Don’t mind at all. I was doing the internet dating thing from 2007-2009, so about 2 years. When I first started dating my wife she got pissed as hell because I had women calling me all of the time and she didn’t believe they could all just be friends. I had decisions to make. But tomorrow is our 9th anniversary and I have no regrets. But I do miss is, the online dating, it’s fun as hell.
Population density and age demographic are huge factors in online dating, as are standards. I’m probably somewhat too picky but “not fat or ugly” doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable standard to me.
I guess I was really good at it. But the number of available women 30-50 years old here at the time, seemed almost limitless. And I’m not talking about ugly women. Give me a good body and not crazy and good in bed, I was all over that. I really probably shouldn’t be married, I’m sort of a manwhore, but I’ve managed to never cheat on my wife, and I never will. Unless she gives me permission. One of her new friends is OMG smoking fucking hot. I asked her a couple of times, but she seemed sort of mad, so I dropped it, lol.
I asked her a couple of times, but she seemed sort of mad, so I dropped it, lol.
Boss mode *unlocked*
Found my wife on OKCupid. Had to fuck my way thru a lot of crazy first, tho.
Internet dating works great, just gotta persist.
“Had to fuck my way thru a lot of crazy first, tho.”
That’s the fun part, amirite?
BTW, Prol, where the fuck have you been? It’s great to see you around here.
^^^ yup ^^^
I never did internet dating, but met SP and cyber-knew her from non-dating forums for years before we ever figured out that we ought to meet. I suppose you could call that “grooming.”
Point is, it’s worth meeting people with whom you actually have a common interest besides wanting a date.
I’ve gone on first dates with about 50 women. Half of them were from when I lived in Chicago for 3 years.
I’ve had 3 girlfriends and I met them all through online dating.
I’m pretty sure the reason I don’t have many friends or girlfriends is the same reason I got fired from 3 jobs in a row:
They wanted me to kiss their ass and tell it tasted like ice cream and I said no.
The best thing about internet dating is the insta-filtering. First you filter out fugly. I mean I know everyone has different tastes. But the way I saw it was ‘she’s sort of cute, would I like that sitting on my face? Then it’s on to ‘Hi, send me some nekked pics’. No, just kidding. Then it’s on to the initial chat. Then she will obviously, because she’s a chick, say ‘call me now!’. Do NOT do that. In fact, it’s a warning sign. So, on to the initial chat phase stuff ‘Hey, I like you pics, yeah I like your pics too, you’re cute, blah blah blah’. Then it’s time to meet for lunch or coffee. NEVER dinner of come to my house at this point, EVER!
Then, you meet her for lunch and if she’s not batsthit crazy and has a good body, you fuck her brains out right there! LOL, just kidding.
https://youtu.be/3l2oi-X8P38
Going to the in-laws soon. Is it wrong of me to jerk off under the kotatsu as we play Uno?
straffinrun mister as for this thing must not be done.
Are the in-laws hot?
For their age, sure. But, it’s more about Uno. I switch hands when they play the reverse card.
I’ve been meaning to ask– do you use your fax machine in your house regularly?
Not anymore. We don’t even have a land line like many people here.
All my friends finally gave up their fax machines!
Still have one as part of a multifunction printer, but hasn’t been connected to a phone line for years.
I meant my Japanese friends.
I have one here as part of a multi-function printer too, I ran the phone for it years ago so it’s still plugged in.
Most of our friends don’t use one at home anymore. I still fax things from the convenience store once a more or so.
Just the fax, m’aam.
Ah, thanks guys for satiating my curiosity.
We just got rid of our landline. Mr. Mojeaux said, “But what about the fax?!” (Yes, we are forced to use it with our healthcare spending account people.)
“Dear, I have a business line and a web-fax. Scan it and I’ll fax it.”
“But–but–but–”
“Kill the landline.”
Also, life imitates JAV.
There seems to be a disproportionate number of transgender professors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0h7LFvlVwk
Why is that?
Do any of the profess expertise in any field recognized prior to 1970?
Deirdre_McCloskey
Boomer prolly isn’t even genderfuck.
Deirdre seriously pisses off the Keynesians which makes her all right by me.
Yeah I mostly like her stuff. Though, the last I remember from her is some deranged bit in TOS during one of their “who are you voting for” things that had me questioning her sanity.
Lynette Nusbacher
We watch that show, and I call her Larry.
The first time I saw her, I went, “That’s a man, baby!”
She was not an awful-looking man. She is an awful-looking woman.
Because they freaking love science?
Busy day today.
Ran some errands.
Work Christmas party.
Gun show.
Picked up a new AR pistol upper and a stripper lower. ?? ?
You may want to keep quiet about the pieces of stripper you’ve acquired.
Stupid autocorrect.
Stripped.
Let us all enjoy some lovely ladies singing a great tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNiI6C0142g
Beware: quite possibly Peak Hot Topic
That’s awesome! We just watched that movie last weekend.
Damn, napped longer than intended. The time flu by.
I went looking for Geriatrics only.com, not because I’m looking, just curious if there is such a thing and everyone needs a back up plan, right? Apparently duffers are not much interested in hook ups, ’cause I didn’t see anything other than links directing me to medical advice.
Takes care of that.
https://www.ourtime.com/
no idea if it’s any good
I date ten years younger and picked up NewWife at eHarmony
Last serious girlfriend I met on eharmony. That didn’t work out for ….reasons.
Met my wife on eharmony. 3.5 years married. Couldn’t have imagined how happy I am.
Congrats!!
Lonely polite older Gentleman looking for someone young and sweet to share the honey I have collected over a long and productive life.
Sit back and drown in 25 year old Thot.
Dude, there’s plenty of HOT gilfs out there. I’m serious. You were talking about pussy, right? You gotta get yourself some that stuff, bro! I’t out there just waiting!
Fourscore is spry-curious.
?
I say to him, arm yourself with your viagara arsenal and rush bravely into battle. There’s still a world of pussy out there to conquer.
Also, my dad is 91 now. I’ve got to get out to see him again, been a couple of years. But they have him in the senior living center and he has his choice of still living at home, with my youngest brother taking care of the place and a nurse visiting daily. But he wants to be at the assisted senior place, because according to my oldest sister, he has himself a ‘harem’ there. It’s how the old man has always been. I probably have at least as many siblings as the offspring of Genghis Kahn.
I’m serious dude. There’s no age limit for sex. And doesn’t seem to be much of an age limit for hot women. Even when I was younger, I remember one time, I was in my 30s and I had some wind damage to my house. The insurance company sent out someone to assess the damage and this lady comes to my door and is talking with me. Good fucking gawd she was fucking hot, one of the best bodies I have ever seen, she was gorgeous. I would have given every 20 year old woman I knew at the time for her and she told me she was 65! I couldn’t help being flirty with here, but I saw it was going nowhere.
There’s no age limit for sex.
Bald didn’t matter. Bent and dented didn’t matter.
50 mattered. I’m a certain type of guy and dress and carry myself a certain way. I’ve always caught girls looking. But now it’s clear they simply think: oh, sure, he was hot . . . once upon a time.
Age spots change the game. And I can’t keep up the muscle to keep the neck tight anymore: makes you look so much flabbier than you are. I went from in the game for any girl at 46 to merely competitive in my own demographic at 50.
Unless she thinks limping like a cowboy is sexy.
I guess I still look pretty good in my 50s. So I’ve been told. Not like I did in my 30s, of course. But like I said, the available harvest of Milfs and Gilfs is enormous and ripe for the harvest. I don’t have any doubt that if my lovely wife leaves me tomorrow, I’ll be back on the hunt and killing it the same day. I’ll never die as long as I live, (:
The best online dating site is Plentyoffish. Seriously. I tried all of them and that one is free. Just get good at filtering out the trash.
There certainly is a lot of trash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1VGqGqFvI
Yes, there is. I have some hilarious stories, but I’ll leave that for another time.
I imagine POF is ok if you live in a market like yours. Here POF is….*deletes rude comment* The size of the pond has a lot to do with the variety of fish.
I met some seriously hot women on there, but as you said, the pond here is gigantic.
Also, mistakes I see guys making in online dating.
1. I’m 50, but I need a 20 year old woman.
Really? OK, Donald Trump, if you can afford that.
2. I only date 6’2″ supermodels.
Sure, you do.
3. I don’t need to be clever or funny, or have a personality, or take good picture, or be realistic.
OK. Good luck.
There’s women all over the place. The internet is great for rare things, women are not that rare, at least around here. I get hit on all the time. I’m married so I abstain, but at least 6 times in the last year, I’ve been hit on and I’m 53. I am good looking, if insufficiently humble, so there’s that.
Howdy everyone! I’m just not feeling it tonight, peace out….
Yusef, was today the day something big was going to happen with Wendy? Take care, rest easy, Pardner
They took her foot at the hospital. It went well.
Yusef, my dude, you and Wendy are in my prayers. <3
Take care, Yusef. It’s been an emotional day for you.
Ditto with Spud & Mojo. You’re a good man Charlie Brown.
I’m busy printing out all the great advice if the time ever comes and I need new companionship. Thanks, guys.
No spoilers, please.
Giggles
some music to set the mood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foG8zLMWJ_Y
sit up straight and button your top button!
ok, here we go:
Study: STEM profs should give easier grades in order to draw more women into the field
https://www.thecollegefix.com/study-stem-profs-should-give-easier-grades-in-order-to-draw-more-women-into-the-field/
I can’t imagine why the mythical libertarian women aren’t posting tonight. ;p
Because they don’t exist?
Well. I was out with my tax deductions getting my magical Christmas buzz on (so happy I could get one). Now I am home and working. And my daughter has harshed my magical Christmas buzz. So I’m just working.
When I get a chance, I will share pictures, because it was awesome.
And my daughter has harshed my magical Christmas buzz.
Mom and sister no longer speak because of an epic buzz harshing that ended with mom leaving sister’s house where she was staying and going walkabout for several hours in the middle of the night.
Misogynists the lot of us.
Only us reals shitlords.
Are they all seeing Cats? Or is it the Last Skywalker they’re all watching?
/doesn’t get other people
https://babylonbee.com/news/nations-moviegoers-torn-between-potentially-awful-movie-and-cats
The squirrels ate my earlier attempt:
Babylon Bee: Nation’s Moviegoers Torn Between Seeing Potentially Awful Film And Just Watching ‘Cats’ Instead
Busy cooking us dinner.
WTF is that? And holy sweater puppies batman.
It’s the only channel I’m subscribed to.
Raw egg and fish? I assume that is fish and not pork or chicken.
Salmon breast.
Serious? Now I like her more.
I’ve been watching for a while now and I have yet to recall any of the dishes she cooks. Always distracted. Those T-shirts and hot pants…
https://youtu.be/kCexxxesxUQ
This looks really good.
“I’ll have what she’s having!”
I’m trying to get caught up on all the comments. We went out to hear a friend play at our favorite local winery this evening. And I still have half a bottle of my favorite wine…
Meeting with billionaires in wine caves? Buttgag confirmed!
The best class war is waged if all the rich people are white.
So, Middle Eastern and Indians are the new wypipo?
I could be wrong, not an anthropologist, but aren’t Middle Easterners and Indians actually Caucasian, while Asians are not? I’ll let someone who actually knows weigh in on this.
I believe that all Indo-Europeans are “technically” white. That includes Indians and Iranians but not Arabs – I have no idea what they’re “supposed” to be.
As long as they’re Muslim, they’re on the oppressed part of the totem pole of oppression.
Long story short, the article is falling into the same trap as Warren. Who gives a fuck which pigeonhole a given billionaire falls into?
Her division of the world into “Black”, “Latinx”, and “White” is just politics.
Yeah, and it’s the worst kind of politics. Divisive.
Surely Arabic is an Indoeuropean language?
Huh. Google says no. Therefore, they must be black. :p
Semites. So, um, that kind makes their Jew hatred like an awkward family dinner.
Nope.
Arabs are Semitic and therefore Caucasian. Insert 100 page spiel here on how racial classifications need to either be discarded or done on a much more specific basis than Black, White, Yellow, Red to be in any way informative.
I vote for “discarded”.
Doesn’t matter it only matters in what wine cave they make their decisions. In the documentary Iron Man those people had a different kind of cave.
That’s not new really new. Her audience is the liberal arts white college crowd who put Asians at the same totem level as whites so no reason to think she wouldn’t follow suit.
Give her this, she is colorblind.
Hell, she didn’t even know her own race until the DNA test.
I seem to remember two other countries that put a lot of effort in classifying people racially. Perhaps we could look to what they did for some guidance. No need to reinvent all this.
It seems like it’s time for a SPACE SMITH article.
You know, I bet SPACE doesn’t like Boeing, but he likes the deplorable Musk dude.
Does anyone else find is surreal how the ‘impeachment’ now seems like yesterday’s news about some dogcatcher news? I mean it went from total elation to zero in just a few hours.
They are screwed because if it goes to the Senate, it will be subjected to scrutiny. About all they can do is claim victory and move on.
It is just on hiatus. It will come back ten fold the first week of January. All that impeaching wore them out and they need a break.
Like gorging on turkey?
I never realized that Giovanni Ribisi had joined the NFL as the Rams QB.
Everybody needs a hobby.
So I’ve been thinking lately about the Patriots hate. Now, I get it, they feel like the bad guys (for reasons I am unclear on) (deflate-gate notwithstanding). But a friend’s husband who is a new Rand zealot, loves the Patriots and Brady in particular because they are winners and they, particularly Brady, is a Randian ideal, excellence, wealth, all that, etc etc etc.
He has a point.
Why DO people hate the Patriots, except that they win?
Because they cheat and their owner is a slimeball?
Brady and Belichek just grate on me. Totally irrational, but it’s sports. Rationality not required.
Belichek has history here in Cleveland.
But the hate for the Patriots here isn’t as high as for some other teams… such as the Yankees, Stillers, and the Ravens (sorry OMWC).
You hate us cuz you ain’t us.
Not even people from Cleveland are jealous of Baltimoreeans.
“us”?
I have my Ravens stocking hat on.
You’re Wee Willie Winkie?
Not foolin’ me. Those are pantyhose.
That explains the odd aroma.
That’d be Bobby Peru.
No. The hatred for the Ravens is that it was us. And they made it to a Superbowl with our team.
The name of Modell is still cursed here for taking the Browns. Even when LeBron left, he wasn’t hated as much as Modell (which has led to some local papers claiming that it’s just anti-Semitism).
Modell more or less stole the team from Paul Brown (which is why the Bungles exist) then he moved it to Baltimore. Modell is a sleaze.
Last I looked, the Browns were in Cleveland. And they’re still the Browns, with all that implies.
How’d they do from 1996 to 1999?
I think a lot of it is the sports media. I respect Brady’s accomplishments but I can see how seeing ESPN licking his asshole 24/7/365 might be off-putting to a lot of football fans. It’s like how people who don’t really like Trump root for him against TDS media asswipes. It’s a response mechanism.
I am a fan of teams I have some personal connection to. “They are winners” doesn’t cut it. I don’t hate the Patriots, I just DGAF about them.
As it should be.
PS. Obviously, I hate them when they are the opponent.
Well, when you’re in the same division, that is reason enough.
They are fucking cheaters. Plus they win all the time. Same reason everybody hates Dallas. Those of us of a certain age remember when Dallas was the Patriots. It is a lifelong hate. Probably envy but lets not get into that…. embrace the hate!!! Also it is sports so it is all theater to me and just good poking fun and shenanigans.
The Dallas hate is/was more than just them winning. The “America’s Team” nonsense repeated ad nauseam by the sports media was likely the biggest reason.
Mostly it’s just standard hatred of perennial winners / hatred of rival teams.
Same reason lots of people hatred the Cowboys.
There’s also the hatred by association of douchebag front-running fans – a few bad years will shake off those.
Those of us from New England need make no apologies for our fandom.
Brady as a Randian hero: The Mountainhead.
LOL
I don’t hate the Patriots, so much that I hate the myth that the media has made them into. They’ve mostly (with the exception of a couple of their runs) won on the back of the defense, with an efficient offence (and some playing fast and loose with rule book). But that isn’t the story told, where Brady is a god amongst men who can do as he pleases any time he steps on the field.
It’s the same reason I have with Terrell Davis getting tongue bathed, it was the offensive line that made him, the backs that followed him proved that, but that isn’t the story that’s told.
Also, even according to ‘The Tuck Rule’, that was still a damn fumble.
It’s not except that they win lol. Teams that are on top of any sport for a long period are hated. Yankees, Cowboys, Manchester United, Alabama, OSU, Notre Dame, etc etc etc.
It’s all envy no matter how it gets dressed up.
Rivalries have a bit to do with it as well.
Envy is going to be part of it for some people, but the incessant, tongue-bathing, media attention is a much more common reason.
I think the announcers just like saying “Cooper Kupp.”
OK, which one of you guys is Wrightly Willowleaf?
Nice to Ricky being a comedian.
Ummm….any man who’s had the misfortune of seeing what his wife is capable of doing with his credit card might tend to disagree.
That sounds hawt. Gotta link?
Sure
I’d Discover her card.
Cha-ching
Alright Glibs, I have a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye that hasn’t been opened yet. The difficult question, do I go neat, old fashioned, or Manhattan to start with?
I believe a proper whiskey snob starts with neat, then adds some water to see how it “opens up” or something. It all tastes like whiskey to me.
^This
I tried that last night to see what all the fuss was about. I guess I just don’t get it.
Yes.
First question. Is it good?
Yes? NEVER mix good liquor with anything other than an ice cube. I typically like putting an ice cube or two in a glass to pour good liquor, but some folk like it neat. As far as mixing it with other stuff, WTF?
I only have one good bottle of liquor in the house. I gave it all away. Thinking about a shot of it. Knowing who gave it to me, I’m sure it’s north of $100 a bottle. I have a lot of beer, so not sure how drunk I want to be right now, wife might get mad at me, lol. OK, I’m going to have a shot…
I haven’t had it yet, but it’s highly recommended. And there are certain good liquors that are much better mixed into cocktails then neat. If you disagree, I’ve got a line of liquors and gins that would argue with you. From all I have heard/read, this is an old school rye. I believe I’ll start with a Manhattan.
Always try it neat or with a cube first. If it’s not so palatable, then mix it. I got nothing, except that good liquor should never be mixed.
/sets down a bottle of Tanqueray Malacca in front of Hyperion
Is not so special you need to try it neat.
Manhattans are awesome. Make it so.
I went the Manhattan (on the rocks). Damn this is a spicy rye. I am enjoying it. I’d put it a couple points higher then Bulleit (and it’s about the same price point), but Rittenhouse is a rare find around here.
Rocks
So, did he democrats just have an impeachment party and they’re planning on not having a Senate trial? Did I just imagine that or what? We’re moving into post Idiocracy territory here.
https://babylonbee.com/news/house-approves-measure-to-make-mike-pence-president
LOL
“Pence thanked Congress for the honor, though he said he’d prefer to remain in the shadows, just kinda being there and ticking everybody off by not really doing anything of importance”
I’d vote for someone that actually said that.
They joke, but you know the Dems already have articles of impeachment ready and waiting for Pence.
I am not sure they can make the not delivering thing stick. Impeachment is an act not a piece of paper. They performed the act, now the Senate tries the case.
They’re making up the law as they go along now, as God intended it, why do you hate democracy, deplorable?
It is the craziest thing. But how can the senate proceed if there are no charges brought to their so called trial? It is like a prosecutor never going to court to prosecute. The court would tell them to fuck off and dismiss the case.
Wouldn’t the voted on impeachment have the charges listed in them? IIRC, they’re obstruction of congress, and some other BS.
Ya sure they voted and then Nancy Epileplosy had a press conference. Making charges and then having a press conference would be the same as a prosecutor publicly making accusations and then never filing them with the court. It is all ridiculous.
And yes, one of the charges was obstruction of congress which is hilarious. It is literally in the job description of the other two branches of our government to obstruct congress.
It’s the craziest damn thing I’ve ever seen. And, somehow, they think that this gives them leverage to force the Senate to agree to call new witnesses and “investigate” more. I know the Democrats went crazy sometime in the 80s, and I know Trump’s 2016 victory drove them the rest of the way into Wonderland, but WTF is the plan here?
The best work since Eagle One
https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2019/12/missing-surveillance-footage-of-epsteins-jail-suicide-attempt-has-been-found.html
You leave Hillary alone! She’s already suffered enough by being denied her rightful throne!
Shit, Capricorn One
Nice end to the Niners game. Good exciting game, even if the Niners were a bit off tonite. Thank god my friend was too busy to place my bet, I thought they’d cover.
I’m still not sold on this team. I’ll be happy if I’m proven wrong.
#metoo
The past couple weeks has been pretty uneven. The O line and Jimmy G have looked a bit shaky. I still think they can win the NFC. Next week will tell a lot.
Who’s up for late night tomfoolery?
Frye?
Frye?
Frye?
How about some Jillfoolery? I ain’t no gay.
She’s with Jack…
JACK SHIT!!!
Hey! You’re disturbing my floozies!
CRASH
One of the cats splattered a pile of Christmas ceramics across the floor.
In an hour I just now put three pieces back together. Some slivers can’t be reconstituted or even found and leave telling, white gaps in my otherwise able rejoining. It took ten minutes of testing to decide how to put a bow back together: only one sequence allows a last piece that can be woven into the others.
We’ll see if NewWife is similarly shattered when she sees my produce.
Best bet is to hope she believes that line about how the cat did it.
Good news: they have much worse track records than I and usually look at least a little guilty.
The other ornaments and nonsense total roughly 500 gallons of storage and take two folk 20 minutes to bring down from the attic; she can spare an ounce or two, and these don’t look to be antique.