Thirty-Something Rifle Cartridges I: The 32s and 8mms
Mid-caliber rifle cartridges are very useful.
A qualifier: I’ve said before that if you can only afford one rifle for big game in North America, buy a .30-06. That fine old round, properly loaded, can handle any game in North America, even though it’s a tad on the light side for big Alaskan grizzlies and moose.
But there are a whole family of rifle cartridges that are useful, solid, and versatile; these are generally known as the mid-range or mid-caliber cartridges. I’ll refer to them in this series as the Thirty-Somethings. These rounds launch bullets ranging from the .32 to the .375 and have a wide range of power selections for almost any eventuality.
In this series we’ll focus mostly on rounds widely used in North America. So, while we’ll look mostly at American cartridges, we’ll also examine some from other parts of the world that have seen a lot of use here, like the 8X57mm Mauser and the great old .375 H&H. So, let’s start with the first group – the Thirty-Twos.
At the End of the Black-Powder Era…
Remember when we were talking about the history of lever guns? In 1894 Winchester Repeating Arms Co. and the DaVinci of firearms, John Browning, brought out the great Model 1894 Winchester lever gun. While that rifle is so intimately associated with the .30WCF cartridge that the terms “.30-30” and “94 Winchester” are damn near synonymous, it’s rather less well-known that the Model 94 wasn’t originally introduced in that caliber; instead, it was chambered in its first year for two thirty-somethings, the .32-40 and the .38-55.
In 1894 the .32-40 Ballard was a popular round. It had been introduced ten years earlier in the Ballard Union Hill #8 and #9 target rifles, loaded with a 165-grain cast bullet over 40 grains of black powder, resulting in a muzzle velocity of about 1,450 fps. The long, straight-tapered case allowed for a smooth, even powder burn and resulted in a good reputation for accuracy. Famed barrel-smith Harry Pope was fond of the round and made it the basis of his .33-40 wildcat. This round looks somewhat odd by today’s standard but it successfully made the transition into the smokeless powder era, and was offered in a sporadic manner in Winchester lever guns through most of the twentieth century, although mostly in the commemorative editions of which Winchester was so fond.
The .32-40 was overshadowed in 1895 when Winchester released the Model 94 in the smokeless powder .30WCF, but the New Haven gunmakers weren’t done with .32s yet. In 1901 they released the Model 94 chambered for the .32 Winchester Special, which took the .30WCF case and expanded the neck to take a .321 bullet.
At first glance it’s hard to see a reason for this round. The .32 WS, in its primary load, fired a 170-grain bullet, like its smaller-bored cousin. Ballistics were near-identical, with the .32WS having less power past 150 yards or so due to the lower sectional density of the bullet.
But for the hand-loader who was sitting on a big supply of lead and black powder – not an uncommon thing in 1901 – the prevalent wisdom of the day claimed that the .32 had a couple of advantages. First, its slightly larger bore was claimed to make for easier cleanup of the messy black powder residue. Also, Winchester used a 1-16 rifling twist in the Model 94s chambered for the .32, as opposed to the 1-10 twist of the.30WCF; this, again, supposedly made for easier cleaning.
So, the .32 Special may have been just the ticket for the guy with a lot of black powder to burn, or maybe for the occasional recalcitrant old coot who thought that smokeless powder wasn’t here to stay.
Like the .32-40, the .32 Special hung on through most of the twentieth century, in later years mostly in commemorative Winchester models.
Another variation came from Remington, who was determined not to be outdone by Winchester. In 1905 Remington introduced their Model 8 autoloader, followed in 1914 by the Model 14 pump-gun. Both rifles saw a fair amount of market, and both were chambered for (among other rounds) the .25, .30 and .32 Remington cartridges, essentially rimless versions of the .25-35, .30-30 and .32 Special. Unlike Winchester, Remington didn’t fiddle around with different twist rates in their guns and the Model 8 auto – the famed old Remington “piano leg” – was fussy about ammo, fouling and hanging up quickly if black-powder loads were used. It’s hard to see what Remington had in mind with this range of cartridges other than ensuring that they had an offering in every bore size to compete with Winchester.
Winchester did have another .32 caliber round, the .32WCF, better known as the .32-20. This was mostly a small-game round of modest power; while it’s a great old cartridge for big hares, bobcats or raccoons, I’m going to restrict this discussion to big-game rifles – in spite of the fact that I’d love to have an original Model 92 Winchester in .32-20 or .25-20 for hunting snowshoe hares and jackrabbits.
In 1914, as we’ve seen, the shooting world saw some new influences hit, and the thirty-something rifle cartridges were affected along with everything else.
The Mid-Century
In 1898 the famous Mauser-Werke, down in the small town of Oberndorf in Bavaria’s Neckar River valley, introduced a world-changing bolt gun, the Model 1898. We’ve already discussed this rifle and its significance, so now let’s look at the cartridge that was paired with this rifle for use by the German military – the 7.92x57mm, more commonly known as the 8mm Mauser.
The 8mm Mauser predates the Mauser 98 by ten years, having been first introduced in the 1888 Commission rifle. The original cartridge was the Patrone 88, launching a .319, 227-grain round-nose jacketed bullet at about 2,000 fps. As a first-generation smokeless powder cartridge, the Patrone 88 carried over the heavy, round-nose bullet design common in the last generation of black-powder rounds. In 1895 the bullet/bore size was changed slightly to reduce barrel wear and ease cleaning (supposedly) resulting in the .323 bullet diameter that would stick with the cartridge in military loadings.
In 1904 and 1905, the cartridge got a facelift; the neck dimensions were slightly altered, and the brass thickness increased a tad. The new round was loaded with a 153-grain spitzer bullet, producing about 2,700 fps. This made the new round, the S Patrone, more effective at extended ranges due to the higher velocity and better bullet design.
The 7.9×57 S Patrone was the standard German military’s rifle and machine gun cartridge in both World Wars. Interestingly, after the Great War, the Treaty of Versailles forbade the use of the round in civilian arms, but by 1930 or so the German manufacturers were roundly ignoring the Treaty, and the cartridge again became popular in civilian hunting rifles; a rimmed version, the 7.9x57mm IRS, was even developed for single-shot and multi-barreled rifles.
The 7.9x57mm remains a popular hunting cartridge in Europe today, at least in those jurisdictions that still allow the unwashed peasantry to own rifles. In the United States, the round gained a significant following when surplus Mausers became widely available at bargain prices; the 8mm Mauser offers performance very similar to the .30-06, and in fact the round is still loaded by many American ammunition makers today. In fact, the 8mm Mauser remained the only .32/8mm bolt-gun round commercially loaded in the United States until 1978.
In the latter half of the twentieth century, Big Green had realized a commercial success with its excellent (then) Model 700 rifle and with their 7mm Remington Magnum cartridge. I always thought the 7mm Magnum a tad overrated; an old elk-hunting friend of mine shot one and was fond of bragging about its velocity and flat trajectory with his favorite factory load, until I pointed out that in my big commercial Mauser I was shooting a .30-06 handload that ran a 165-grain Barnes bullet at only 100fps less than his factory 140-grain 7mm loads, and took to his brother’s chronograph to prove it.
In the late Seventies, Remington determined that they wanted to compete with Winchester’s beefier .300 and .338 Winchester Magnums. Remington’s engineers came up with the 8mm Remington Magnum, but they made one key mistake: They used the full-length .375 H&H case as the basis for their new round, mandating its use only in Magnum-length actions. The new 8mm round was intended to compete with the excellent .338 Winchester Magnum, but Winchester’s offering had a thirty-year head-start and could be chambered in standard-length actions. While the 8mm Remington Magnum was a powerful round that could easily handle any game in North America, launching a 200-grain pill at a bit over 3,000 fps, it never gained much following. The .32/8mm was generally considered a European bore size, and components (chiefly bullets) were not available in as many options as either .30 or .338 offerings. The 8mm Remington Magnum is still in use today, but as sporting rifle cartridges go, it’s a footnote.
Today
Speaking of footnotes; since the new century dawned, the American shooting scene has seen only one new .32/8mm round.
In 2000, Winchester and Browning introduced American shooters to the .300 Winchester Short Magnum, a fat round with a rebated rim that provided magnum horsepower in a short-action rifle. The “short fat” case supposedly allowed powder to burn quicker and cleaner, and soon the WMS rounds gained a modest following. In 2005, Winchester introduced the .325 Winchester Short Magnum, which actually fired a .323 180-grain bullet at about 3,000 fps.
After its release, Winchester engineers allowed that the .32/8mm bullet was the largest that could be efficiently paired with the WSM case, and so no larger offerings were forthcoming. Unlike the 8mm Remington Magnum, the .325 WSM did gain some following, and like its older brother, the .338 Win Mag, it is capable of taking any game in North America with the right load.
The .32/8mm bore diameter has never been overly popular with American shooters. If any caliber is America’s caliber, it’s the .30. It doesn’t help that American manufacturers have never really gone in for this bore size in a big way, and it helps even less that one of the few major offerings was a commercial flop.
But step up one bore size to the thirty-threes, and the picture changes quite a bit. My own favorite hunting rifle is one of those; I’ve described my .338 Win Mag, the inestimable Thunder Speaker, in these virtual pages before. So stay tuned for the next installment, in which will examine the Thirty-Threes.
Does this include the biggest game of all?
Man.
Man isn’t the biggest, just the tastiest.
Not safe for anyone. Do not click.
Very much how I feel today, and therefore throughout the yuletide season.
“Not safe for anyone. Do not click.”
I shall take your advice in this regard, Sean.
+1 recipe for long pig
“+1 recipe for long pig”
Hannibal Lector (inter alia) references aside, Gustave, you make a good point regarding certain commonalities. There is a reason why porcines have been (mis)used to determine how humans will be affected by ballistics:
A study.
Given that the the greatest battle implement ever devised is chambered in .30-06, yes it does.
Ahem:
155mm says hello
Damnit here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUvcdKGD-FM
Bullshit, I’ve never seen a .30-06 AK.
Oh sure, and just write women out of existence huh? Sexist pig
HM’s pimpgame is so strong, he doesn’t have to hunt, the women just instinctively flock to him like lambs to the slaughter.
It is as it is. The kavorka.
Been bathing in vinegar?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
I just wish 32-40 was easier to find. Of all the rifle shells that I shoot, it seems to be the second rarest (after .225 Winchester).
The 8mm mauser round is a pretty nifty cartridge. Combined with the 98 Mauser, I can ring steel out to 500 yards. I cant do that with any other of my milsurp rifles. Especially now, after the boating accident.
Fuck off, Tupla?
Always great Animal.
Pseudo-on topic re: Chafed and his pistol purchase — I may be odd, but I’ve never considered the DA/SA guns to be difficult or complicated. My competition pistols are both DA, and I’ve never had a problem putting the first shot in the -0 ring.
My advice is dry fire a lot. Before I got into a gun club, I could only shoot on weekends, so at home after work on weekdays, I’d dry fire a few hundred times. I fixed a LOT of problems that I discovered on paper. This is also probably why I like DA guns — you don’t need to recock it before taking another “shot” during dry fire practice. I’m, sure that made me much more used to (and accurate with) the initial trigger pull.
Now having said that, I do carry a striker fired gun, because of its size (SIG P365, pocket-carried in an AlienGear holster)
If I lived in a state where I didn’t need to conceal so deeply, I’d probably be carrying a CZ 75 PCR
That WSM round looks like a rocket ship,
Cool article Animal, thanks!
If I send for my baby, and she don’t come
If I send for my baby, man, and she don’t come
All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can’t help her none
And if she gets unruly, thinks she don’t wan’ do
If she gets unruly and thinks she don’t wan’ do
Take my 32-20, now, and cut her half in two
She got a .38 special but I believe it’s most too light
She got a .38 special but I believe it’s most too light
I got a 32-20, got to make the caps alright
Geeze did the Rapture happen and i’m the only one left?
I Mean i’d expect Mojo and (((them))) to be around still with me.
I am here. For maybe 20 minutes more.
Jesus took the wheel, and we got a 69 car pileup out of it.
SOME OF US WORK!
I’m not out of pocket until tomorrow. I even managed to get post submitted to the powers that be.
Thanks for the interesting read Animal.
No work this week, but I’m busy dicking around with Age of Civilizations II on my tablet. Better than the first, but that’s not saying much. I’ve conquered most of the regions covering modern day France, England, Spain, Sardinia, and southern Italy. Now the Byzantines are getting too powerful and threatening my new foothold in the Mediterranean. Gonna have to smoke more weed and push them back.
It’s been a stressful day, I tell ya. 😉
I’m twenty minutes from day drinking, gotta eat first!
/Passes TH a bowl……
/hits bowl, passes Yusef this:
https://www.emeraldreport.com/super-concentrated-diamonds-strongest-marijuana-concentrate-known-man/
A little gift I received for the holiday.
Damn! Party on Wayne!
Been busy with work today as everyone’s racing to get things fixed before the days off.
I’m sort of around. I have a lot of end-of-year stuff I need to take care of, plus catch on stuff I neglected when I was eyeballs-deep in 1420.
1420 needs to kegel.
Totally missed the chance to say “up to my eyeballs in cuntes and cods.”
I’m at work (and jet lagged) but here.
Good article, Animal.
Deer size are about the only critters that I chase anymore, the smaller pests are .22 size. Anything I’ve ever used seems to work. I like a 30-06 but it isn’t necessary for a deer. I got my Dad’s 30 Rem 141 a few years ago, had to have the dies special order from Rock Chucker, had trouble finding the brass but managed to get 100 cases. I took a crippled deer a few years ago but with open sights tough for me use anymore. 7.62 X 39 works well for deer.
I think I’m stuck to hunting locally, I wanted some elk and moose antlers but the river is a little low these days. Can’t seem to get the pages to stick on the calendar anymore. I bought my grand daughter two books for Christmas. A Jack O’Connor and one on deer hunting, she’ll be prepared next year.
Did she take one this year?
She saw a fawn, “But it was so little and cute I didn’t want to shoot it. I had the ‘scope on it and it just stood there”
By the end of the week I was teasing her about how big that fawn was now. She saw some others in the deep brush, running, etc. She’ll be back next year. I gave her the Marlin 336 but she left it with me.
Only 2 things that are bad for guns, rust and the government, she understands that ’cause I kept telling her and she won’t forget.
She’s a cool kid. You’ve obviously been a good influence.
Back when I hunted in Southern Wisconsin, where there is an overpopulation of deer and was, for awhile, an “earn-a-buck” requirement (you had to shoot an antlerless deer before you could shoot a buck), I would pass over adult does if there was a fawn in view.
Those fawns were raised on milk, corn, and alfalfa. The meat was just the tenderest, butteriest venison you would ever have.
Moral of the story: There’s good eatin’ on a fawn. Take ’em when you can.
Can’t leave the fawn after the mother is gone. Just takes more of ’em but still good.
Thanks, Animal.
The 7.9x57mm remains a popular hunting cartridge in Europe today, at least in those jurisdictions that still allow the unwashed peasantry to own rifles.
So, Finland and Switzerland?
The Finn’s hunt commies and herd Reindeer, it is known ..
“The Finn’s hunt commies and herd Reindeer, it is known ..”
According to Monty Python, Finland has it all.
Great read. My uncle just informed my he’s handing down my great grandfathers Winchester 1897 to me. I’m excited to take a look at it. All I know is that he used it for bird hunting so it has some wear. My great grandfather served in WWI, curious if he was issued a trenchgun in the service too.
First shotgun I ever shot, about 8 years old. My dad had to hold it, I just wrapped my arm over the stock and pulled the trigger. Got a helluva surprise but I came back for more. My dad gave it to my oldest brother in SoDak who promptly sold it, probably for beer money.
97s were being used in VN by Vietnamese security guards, shortened barrel, probably 18″. Can’t remember what American MPs/Security were using, maybe 97s.
You’re gonna like G. Grandpa’s gun and be a proud owner.
The one round to have when you’re having only one?
I think .308 has taken over for .30-06, for the same reason .30-06 was that round…
Availability as a mil-surp round.
The terminal ballistic performance is almost identical and the availability of modern ammo is cheaper and more numerous.
32-20, 32 Winchester special, 338 Winchester Magnum, 375 Holland and Holland.
I am a fan.
https://ruger.com/products/HawkeyeAfrican/specSheets/47121.html
Not H&H, but 10% of the price
My shoulder hurts just looking at it.
My 375H&H is a Ruger No.1.
It isn’t something you plink with on the weekends. Good God that is some serious firepower. The blast alone, never mind the recoil, is enough to knock you down. Three shots and you are done for the day.
32-20, wimpy as hell. I can throw a rock harder than that thing shoots. 32 Win Spl is indistinguishable from 30-30. The 338 Win Mag. is pretty serious firepower…a big jump up from 30-06 but not quite a 375. I also forgot to mention that I have four Winchester 94s chambered in 375 Winchester. That is my favorite deer cartridge.
I’m a big fan of the .338 Win Mag, as everyone’s already seen. More on that in the next installment.
If any caliber is America’s caliber, it’s the .30.
As the satisfied owner of a .308 M1A and a .300 Win Mag Remington Sendero, can confirm.
Fack! I was rebuilding the carb on the leaf blower (same blower that was having issues 6 months ago) to get rid of a high rpm stall issue. Felt like fuel starvation due to a clogged jet. Anyway, I pop the carb open and the spring went shooting into a pile of leaves. O well, guess the back deck isn’t getting leaf blown today.
Little springs that launch through the air upon disassembly… Ain’t they grand?
My brother and I were cleaning our guns in the kitchen one time, and he was taking down his Ruger 10/22. Some tiny spring went flying across the room. I helped him look for it for about half an hour, after which I gave up and insisted that he just order a new one online (which he refused to do). But I gotta say, I was impressed when he actually managed to find the fucking thing – it was inside a beer can in the trash can.
The spring just wanted a drink. Are you going to begrudge it that?
I’m going to need to know what kind of beer it was before answering that.
Springs often develop drinking problems. Probably from all the tension they’re under.
I lost a Jesus bolt for an RC helicopter, found it in a shoe 2 months later,
On newer stuff like that I don’t bother rebuilding. I made the mistake of loaning my Stihl to a buddy and of course it came back fucked up. Messed around with the stupid plastic carb for awhile and finally just ordered a new one. One-pull starts again.
And never any ethanol.
Ethanol and 2-stroke oil is the debbil!
They do not store together. At all.
My 4-stroke craftsman is fucking heavy, but it always starts with ethanol gas.
Yes. Amazon has fully built small engine carbs for ridiculously low prices.
I bought one for my generator while I renewed the old one. Now I have a spare. Two is one; one is none.
Nobody needs that many calibers. 270 WIN or GTFO.
Ok, boomer.
A .270 makes more of a “crack” than a “boom”.
“OK, cracker” also works.
LOL!
Cracker, please!!
(Holds up palm of hand)
*hands HE british holiday novelty*
Do I have to wear the paper crown?
I bought some “stuff your own” crackers so I could put little custom gifts inside and put them on the extended family’s plates at dinner.
Great fun.
“Where is my Earth-shattering Ka-boom?”
This is my BOOMSTICK!
Obligatory
Boomstick? Thunderstick!
HA!
270 = almost a 30-06
Heh. I am kidding. It is a good round….but why? Same for half a dozen others….8mm-06, 32-06, 308, 7mm-06, 7-30 waters etc.
I wanted something in the 30-06 class, I got a 30-06.
*Ok, I had a safe full of 30-30s, 308 and 270s
I like lever action 30-30s. They’re fun.
It is the only big rifle I have and it drops elk just fine? I don’t have the arsenal some of you have. Or the knowledge for that matter.
My brother hunts with 270. He dropped a buck at 600 yards with it. My father laid one down at 500 yards with a 25-06.
I am just yanking your chain. The whole ‘X is the greatest cartridge ever!’ is about like the pineapple pizza argument.
Oh I know. The “GTFO” was to smartassedly compare it to the pizza argument. Nobody needs that many toppings. When I bought that rifle I was actually wanting a 30-06 and the only used gun dealer in town (the Hardware store) either didn’t have any 30-06’s or they were outside of my price range (don’t remember) but the 270 was right in the ball park. I was a broke ski bum back then and I think it was $125. That would have been 1985ish.
That seems to be the most popular chambering locally, judging from the brass buckets at the club.
If it wasn’t for the boat accident I’d still be using my left hand 270 Weatherby. Maybe 1 day it’ll reappear like the missing spring stories. It burns a lotta powder for a modest increase but no one borrows any ammo from me.
And great read Animal. Very informative as usual.
I like Animal’s story telling style.
This remains one of my favorite editorials/journals of all time.
For hockey lovers everywhere, brought to you by Evgeny Kusnetsov.
You can’t get past the 2nd sentence without involuntarily reading it in a Russian accent in your head.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/evgeny-kuznetsov-capitals-russia-hockey
Old, but awesome. I saved that one – it’s so good!
You might like this documentary.
Why didn’t Kuznetsov’s publicist or editor fix his grammar mistakes?
Because that is what makes it hilariously authentic Russian!!
Reading him being in awe about Kovalev brings back a lot of memories. Kovy was so very, very talented but never showed more than flashes of it as a Ranger, at least in part because he was saddled with Colin Campbell as a coach after Keenan quit.
Also, this piece by Igor Larionov is terrific. I think of it often when I see David Quinn jerking Pavel Buchnevich around and I get seriously annoyed.
That is really good ! Thanks for sharing.
I have a S&W in 32-20. I had it ten years and never shot the thing or reloaded for it so I bought some loaded ammo for it. I set up a piece of oak for the fireplace as a target in the back yard. I stepped off 30 paces and shot. I could see the bullet travel to the target. It stuck in the wood with about 1/8″ protruding out. Keep in mind that before the 357 magnum, the 32-20 was one of the hottest pistol rounds.
*commercially loaded 32-20 is loaded very low as there are a great many old pistols out there. I am sure I could load it up but the brass is so thin it probably wouldn’t be much more. You can crush the brass with your fingers almost like foil. Not something I would want to trust my life to.
I could see the bullet travel to the target.
Ok Morpheus.
Anecdotal, but you can see a 7.62×39 if you have the right angle on it.
Story told to me by a SF training sergeant with a chunk of ear missing from said 7.62 whilst in Viet Nam.
You can definitely see a “vapor trail” on long rifle shots in the right conditions.
My brother and I saw .38 Specials flying out of my Rossi lever-action one day when the sun was at just the right angle.
38 Specials flying out?
Hold on loosely while you’re rockin’ into the night.
This wasn’t the right conditions, no sun at my back with a dark target. I am tempted to say I could shoot the thing, walk to the target and watch the bullet land up close.
Those loads were incredibly wimpy.
Mythbusters did the trick where they fired a .45ACP horizontally and dropped one from the same height to prove that they’s land at the same time. And they did it indoors.
That sounds fun. I have done it also but not indoors. I did it with 357 to prove that to a friend of mine. I never could get that people don’t believe that. It is a simple concept.
Anyway, 45acp would be the perfect round for that. Big and slow. Average around 800 fps.
I have seen 5.56mm and 7.62 NATO fly, more accurately, I saw what I would describe as a crease in the air created by the projectile’s shockwave. It’s really only doable at 300m+ shots, any closer and there isn’t enough flight time to track it.
Isn’t the brass thinner towards the bullet end. Seems I saw a cross sectional drawing one time.
Yes and that holds for every cartridge that I am aware of. The brass case functions as a seal when you fire. The neck expands to seal off the barrel so it does need to be thinner. The base is thicker to keep from bursting near the bolt face.
32-20, 22 Hornet….that class of cartridges from black powder days are especially thin. They are a pain in the ass to reload as you get a lot of cases crushed in the vise.
Dang it, stuck in Detroit and my flight to San Diego is delayed.
First 16 min delay.
Then 32 min.
Now an hour.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
I hate the death by a thousand cuts approach to delays. Where is your incoming flight?
In Ft Lauderdale. They have a storm system down there.
Stuck in Detroit.
Very few words inspire more dread.
Stuck at O’Hare.
I’ve had a 20 minute delay grow into an overnight two separate times. I’ll move heaven and earth to avoid a stop-over there.
Yeah, I was thinking ‘stuck in Detroit’ is on par with ‘They found cancer’ or ‘Your house is on fire’.
Midway’s not much better. They shut down all of the bars and restaurants at 22:00, my flight was pushed back until after 01:00.
At least at Midway they give you roadies, one of the few airports you can do this at outside of Nevada. At 21:50 order a triple scotch in a to-go cup, you can sip until your 0100 flight.
Ouch. Terrible spot to get stuck.
“…stuck in Detroit…”
DON”T DRINK THE TAP WATER!
Never fear. I’m in the Delta Sky Club drinking wine.
FlightAware tells me KSAN is running a 29 minute delay, so maybe it won’t be much longer.
I’m in Delta 1165. It’s a long flight, so my guess is the pilot will make up for lost time.
Detroit has a nice airport. I don’t know why but they do.
Subsidies? Graft?
Just a major Delta hub.
They regularly win “best airport” awards. The Sky Club can’t be beat.
Have click them over to ESPN. I Think Jeff Saturday is a NFL LIVE host today. You’re welcome.
I was stranded in the Detroit Greyhound bus station for four hours one evening when I was in my teens because my bus from Lansing was late and I missed the connection to Dayton. Called my mom, and she said, “Don’t leave the station while you’re waiting!”
When I finally boarded the next bus to Dayton, the guy who sat down next to me was pressing a bloody paper towel to his nose. He’d walked out of the station and immediately got mugged.
Oy vey.
Detroit’s gentrification is starting to show. I hope it rolls on and is not stopped by “social justice warriors”
Friend of mine got a “sporterized” 8 mm Maurer for Christmas when he was about 12, killed his first deer with it. The only ~32 cal gun I ever handled. It was mail ordered from Sears or Monkey Wards.
I have two 8x57s. One is a K98 and the other a 48A. I dont shoot the k98 as my uncle ‘liberated’ it from a factory assembly line in ’45 and has all the proper dirty birds on it.
The Yugo I do shoot. I managed to buy a few thousand rounds of surplus German ammo from ’44 at a steal.
Shooting at 600 yards with the Yugo and with an SKS was very telling. 7.62×39 will barely reach out to 600 yards. The sights have a setting but it is not accurate. You have to guess at the elevation and you can almost count to ten before the bullet arrives. The 8×57 is another story. I set the sights and took one placer shot. Second shot and on I was able to hit a five gallon bucket at will.
I give a big thumbs up on the 8×57.
My 9mm upper got to the local UPS distribution center on Thursday. TBD Friday “by end of day, signature required.” Didn’t happen. Nor Saturday. No way online to get it diverted where I could go and pick it up. I called in and (although it was not an option on the phone tree) spoke to a human being by saying “speak to a representative” Supposedly I can pick it up tonight, but not until after 20:30, but before they close at 21:00.
I was really looking forward to shooting it over the weekend. Oh well. I still need to buy some Glock mags for it. I’m guessing I should get some NY-pinned ones for the G17 to make sure they reach all the way through the lower?
What did ya get?
El cheapo from Karri’s Guns. I’ll have to destroy it a little bit to make it legal if I want to run it with a spurred lower, which is probably what I’ll need to do. I currently have a normal person lower with a Tier 5 bolt release installed, but I think that might not be optimal since I’m left handed. If the Tier 5 works well enough speed-wise, I’ll buy a better upper to mate with it.
Let us know how it goes. I always had too much trepidation to order from Karri’s, as their prices seem too good to be true.
I spend a lot of time at work on the phone with insurance companies, and I’ve found that sometimes it will immediately send you to a live person if you press #0#0.
It’s that time of day, help?
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Surprised you skipped over .35 Rem given the discussion of lever-gun calibers. Or is that due in part deux?
Part three. This was the thirty-twos. Thirty-threes are next, then thirty-fives.
My brother inherited out grandfathers .32win spl. Decent lever action, but he, being left-handed, uses a lefty 7mm mag. Or a muzzleloader.
I, being of correct handage, have our fathers Winchester 100 in .308.
He also ended up with grandpas Bisley, in .38-40. Not too shabby, while I got dad’s Hi-Power.