The Greatest 20th Century Martial Sidearm
Resolved: The Colt/Browning 1911 pistol is the standard by which all autoloading pistols must be judged. Now that that’s established, I’ll proceed to tell you about this magnificent sidearm and how it came to be the gold standard of autoloading handguns.
John Browning
It should come as no surprise that the DaVinci of firearms was involved in the genesis of the 1911. Browning’s reputation as a gun designer was well established long before he started in on autoloading pistols, having produced such outstanding pieces as the 1894 Winchester (a gold standard in its own right) and the first commercially successful, mass-produced pump shotgun, the 1897 Winchester.
He started in on autoloading pistols with the tiny FN Browning M1900 in .32ACP, a pipsqueak of a little blowback pistol. But in that same year, he also designed the short-recoil operated Colt Model 1900 in .38ACP, and it was that pistol that would become the grandfather of a great line of martial pistols.
The Precursors
After two years the Colt 1900 and its .38ACP cartridge were modified and improved somewhat, splitting into three designs: The 1902 Sporting Model, the 1902 Military Model and the 1903 Pocket Hammer Model. All three were chambered for the .38ACP, but in 1905 a final model in this line appeared, the Model 1905 with a 4 7/8” barrel chambered for a short, rimless .45 caliber cartridge that would become the immortal .45ACP.
In 1899 the U.S. War Department had been seeking an autoloading pistol design to replace the anemic M1892 revolver and its .38 Colt cartridge. Tested were the Luger in 7.65mm, the C96 Mauser, the Mannlicher M1894 and the Colt M1900. This early Colt has some issues with trigger linkages that adversely affected reliability in the aptly named “torture tests” of the day, and so the War Department purchased 1,000 DWM Lugers as an experiment.
This experiment didn’t last. The U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps had learned some important lessons in the Spanish-American War and the Philippine-American War that convinced the War Department to once more pursue a major-caliber autoloader.
During that latter conflict, the troops facing stoned Moro warriors encased in rawhide armor found the .38 Colt revolvers lacked stopping power, but when the Army imported some M1873 Colt single-actions in the grand old .45 Colt, things changed; a tribesman with a couple of .45 Colt in his chest generally lost all interest in matters martial then and there.
The War Department quickly sourced a stopgap, buying a lot of the big, rugged Colt New Service double-action revolvers in .45 Colt and deeming them the M1909 revolver; meanwhile the testing of autoloaders went on. By this time the mind of Browning had fixed the shortcomings of the M1900 series pistols and had produced something vastly better.
The 1911
The first round of service testing reduced the field of alternatives to three: The Savage, the DWM Luger, and the new Browning/Colt M1911. In one of the final tests, both Colt and Savage pistols were fired six thousand times over the course of two days. When the guns grew too hot to hold, they were dunked in a bucket of water to cool them, and the firing went on.
The Savage had 37 malfunctions over the course of the test; the Colt, none. In short order the War Department had adopted their first primary issue autoloading handgun, the Colt M1911.
The original 1911 had some ergonomic flaws. The sights were somewhat rudimentary, at least by today’s standards (although better than the near-non-existent rear sight of the issue Luger.) The hammer spur was long and low enough that it frequently dug into the web of the firing hand, especially if the shooter (like me) had big hands. The thumb safety was small and easy to miss, and the trigger was too long for a shooter (unlike me) with short fingers.
After the new pistol received its baptism of fire in the Great War, Colt made some changes based on the experiences of service members who used the pistol in the field.
The 1911A1
In 1924, Colt engineers brought out a revision of the War Department’s .45. The 1911A1 had improved sights, a shorter trigger and a lengthened grip safety spur to address that nasty hammer bite. The Great War had revealed that the 1911 tended to shoot low in rapid-fire instinctive shooting, so the 1911A1 had an arched mainspring housing to address this tendency by making the muzzle hold naturally a tad higher.
In this form the 1911A1 served until 1984 as the primary service sidearm for all branches of the U.S. military, a 73-year run, unprecedented in U.S. military history. The Colt 1911 proved its mettle in battlefields all over the world. The old slab-sides wasn’t as pretty as a Luger or as finely fitted as the Sig P-210 but it had three great qualifications for a martial pistol: It was rugged, reliable and tough. I’ve never handled or fired a Savage Model 1907, but I own a Luger, not a DWM as tested by the War Department but rather a 1938 piece made at the Mauser-Werke in Oberndorf. The Luger is a beauty and one of the most naturally pointing pistols I’ve ever handled, but it’s fussy about dirt, finicky about ammo and, with its original, serial-numbered magazine, jams at least once in every mag full of ammo. I love the Luger for its style, but I wouldn’t have wanted to be the miserable Nazi bastard whose life depended on the damn thing; if keeping my hide unperforated was in question, I’d take a homely old 1911 over the Luger any day of the week.
I confess a nostalgic fondness for the M1911A1. When I was a young fellow just out of my initial entry training, I was assigned to an Infantry battalion as a Company Aidman; as part of my field gear I was issued an old leather holster with “US” stamped on the flap and, to fill it, an M1911A1 pistol of a vintage that meant my father could very easily have carried the same sidearm in 1944-46 during his tenure in Uncle Sam’s colors. A year later I was on the battalion bullseye pistol team when we won the Division pistol championship.
My old 1911A1 was somewhat the worse for wear, but man did that thing shoot and shoot and shoot.
The Commercial Models
This is where the gold standard status of the 1911 design really shows.
Colt sold the 1911 as the Government Model, chambering it not only in the .45 ACP but also in the .38 Super and 9mm Parabellum. But after World War 2, the company began branching out.
In 1949, Colt brought out the Colt Commander, which may have been the first major-caliber dedicated CCW piece. The first Commander had an aluminum frame, a shorter slide and a 4 ¼” barrel. In 1970, Colt added the “Combat Commander” with the same barrel/slide and a steel frame, at which time the original was renamed the “Lightweight Commander.”
In 1970 Colt introduced the Series 70 in all Government Model variations, with a collet barrel bushing and some other internal improvements; this is probably the best 1911 Colt ever made. Ten years later the Series 80 was produced, which added an internal firing-pin safety – this on a gun that already had two mechanical safeties, three if you count the external hammer. Also added as a half-cock notch on the hammer. The Series 80 was somewhat underwhelming to hardcore shooters, as the added gunk on the lockwork reduced the original design’s rugged simplicity.
Both versions were also available in the Gold Cup match pistol trim. If you want to do some serious bullseye shooting, you won’t find anything much better suited than a Series 70 Gold Cup.
Beginning in the late Seventies, Colt found they had some competition. Such upstarts as Springfield Armory, Federal Ordinance and Detonics began making fine pistols on the 1911 pattern. In 1985, a company called Para-Ordnance introduced the first 1911 featuring a double-stack, 14-round magazine – and things just got more and more complicated after that.
In today’s market for autoloading sidearms, the 1911 pattern still, after a hundred and eight years, still dominates.
Today
At present I own one 1911 myself, a simple mil-spec replica of the 1911A1 with Series 70 Colt lockwork, made by Armscor in the Philippines and imported by Rock Island Armory. This was admittedly a nostalgia purchase, as I also bought a replica US flap holster to carry it, but that affordable (about $400) 1911A1 copy is much like the original; rugged and powerful. I had a few feeding problems until I switched to Kimber magazines, and now it will feed empty cases and reliable shoots any ammo I care to feed it. Rock Island Armory imports fancier versions of the same gun, and I am told that they are solid and reliable in whatever livery you choose to try.
It would be more difficult today to name the gun companies that don’t make a 1911. Smith & Wesson gave in to the inevitable some years ago and began building their own version of a 1911; ditto for Ruger. Remington began building 1911s some years back. Loyal sidekick Rat has one, a Remington 1911 R1 Carry, and it’s a fine shooter, although the trigger is a bit heavier than I’d prefer.
My old buddy Dave has a Les Baer longslide, a 6” barreled, dedicated 1911 target gun; it’s so damn well made that you’d have to work at it to not shoot it well.
Kimber, Springfield Armory, Randall, Olympic Arms, Sig-Sauer, Taurus, Dan Wesson, High Standard, and many more – all have bowed to the demands of the market and began making 1911-pattern pistols. Forget about a gun designer wondering how his autoloader will measure up to the 1911; most of them now are just building 1911s and having done with it.
The Colt/Browning 1911 is a rare kind of design from a rare kind of designer; simple, tough, solid. In its original form it is reliable as the morning sunrise; with its original .45ACP cartridge it packs enough wallop to finish most tasks with authority. The 1911 is as near an immortal pistol design as you’re likely to find and will probably last throughout this 21st century – making it, as resolved, the gold standard of autoloading sidearms.
I’ve enjoyed shooting 1911’s a few times. I never enjoyed carrying one. For some reason a Marine Reserve unit I was in still had then in the armory in the 90’s and would issue them to us when on guard duty. It weighed a ton, only had 7 rounds in a mag, and I was way more familiar with the Beretta at that point. Like walking around with a cinder block on my belt.
Was the Beretta lighter?
Yes, not a light pistol by any measure. But lighter than the 1911 even with 17 rounds loaded.
+1 aluminum frame
+1 open-top slide
Thanks. Their weight and size always seemed similar to me.
When the Army switched from the 1911 to the Berretta, at that time the 1911s on hand were less accurate at 25M than the Berrettas were at 50M (personal experience).
Some years later I fired a buddy’s tuned up 1911 and was much more pleased with the accuracy (although I didn’t care for the standard sights).
Supposedly, the Berretta passed a 20K round torture test with no mis-feeds or stoppages.
Most of those 1911s were at least old enough to buy booze, so…
Well, yeah, can’t compare the new guns to freshly made versions of what they’re replacing, that wouldn’t be fair to the contractor who paid all those kickbacks.
The rebuilds were old enough to buy booze. The frames themselves were on lap two or more of full retirement.
Brooks will be around shortly to correct your opinion.
I’ve only fired a 1911 during one visit to a texas shooting range, but I liked it. The recoil was managable, and the gun was more accurate than I was.
At least I managed to account for all of my shots in the target papers.
I had a Bul M5 1911. Double stack, polymer framed .45 with a ported barrel. I regret selling that gun.
Selling…
Does not compute.
/inveterate collector of stuff.
Technically, I think I traded it in on another. I’ve long since figured out I didn’t want to do that anymore (or sell).
I’m an inveterate collector myself and buy more guns than I sell or give away. But lately I’m looking at my several racks of long guns and drawers of handguns and wondering how the hell I’m going to get them all from Colorado to Alaska in a few more years.
Boat, obviously.
Gosh, I hope there are no accidents.
Double-stack and polymer? Was that a bitch to control?
Nope. I remember it being easy to shoot. This was 1999/2000 ish. Cuz I remember calling it my Y2K gun.
STI’s are polymer framed double-stacks, and shoot as fast/accurately as anything made in semi-auto.
Yup. There are aluminum and steel grip frames for 2011-pattern guns now, and they work just peachy. My all-steel 9mm 2011 recoils about like an airsoft gun.
“I favor the old 1911. It served my country well.”
So did the Brown Bess.
1795 Springfield
All this, and you didn’t even mention how sweet a 1911 looks in a tanker holster.
I never wore one (I was a Leg, not a Track-Toad) so I guess it never occurred to me.
Based on when you served, you didn’t grow up with GI Joe on the brain 24/7 like I did, so its excusable.
That looks exactly like my troop commander, when I was a platoon leader.
He was a little over 5′ and wore cav boots up to his knees and had managed to find one of those rigs for his M9. Looked like Napoleon S. Patton.
I need at least three 1911s:
-A modern competition model (probably in stainless).
-One that conforms to Wild Bunch Rules.
-One in .38 Super, bright nickel finish, so I can put these grips on it.
I refuse to add that caliber to my collection. I stock too many as it is.
If I add anything else, it’s gonna be a new rifle caliber.
I am so amazingly basic, you can guess which four calibers I currently own in one attempt.
Lets see, the fundimentals should be .22, .45, .308, and 12 guage
If you use a metric caliber, I feel sorry for you. You can do better.
Better than my Shadow 2? Probably, but it would be hella spendy.
.22, 9×19, 5.56 or .223, and 2 gauge would be my guess.
Small cannon are fun.
Ding!Ding!Ding!
(assuming the typo)
UnCiv speaks truth. Tha
UnCiv speaks truth. That’s what I have, plus a .300 Win Mag. and a .50 muzzleloader. And a 9mm carry gun.
And that’s it for me. No more calibers. Any more guns I acquire will shoot that ammo.
Probably.
.22, 9mm, .270, and 12 guage
Those aren’t mine, I was guessing NA.
So far the consensus syas he should have a .22 and a 12 gauge.
Yeah, I’m guessing .22, .223, 9×19, 12G.
I’m pretty sure I’m up to 17 different calibers.
Oh, that’s okay then, because the ‘need’ limit appears to be 23.
Woohoo!
Room to grow.
Oh hell, you guys are going to make me have to think about this. Let me count on my fingers:
Shotguns: 12 (5), 16 (3) and 20 gauge.
RIfles: .22LR (4), .22 WMR, .22 Hornet, 5.56×55 (2), .243 (2), .260 Remington, .30-30, .30-06, .338 Win Mag, .45-70
Handguns: .22LR (4) .222 Remington (TC Contender barrel), .380ACP, 9mm Parabellum, .45ACP (3) .45 Colt (2).
I think that’s it.
It wasn’t you that confessed once to having a 45 Winchester Auto mag? It stuck with me because I thought I was the only one in the world who had one.
No, wasn’t me, although I always found the concept interesting. Now I may have to look into it.
Note: The list above doesn’t include guns I’ve sold or given away.
I have a 45 mag, TC, 14″
Hmm.. let me see.
12 gauge, 9mm, .22lr, .45, .303 British, .30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.65mm Argentine, 7mm Mauser, 7.5mm Swiss, 6.5mm Swede, 7.62x54R, 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO
14 calibers.
I have some 8x56R in the basement for when I thought I was going to get a M95 Steyr-Mannlicher, but that rifle acquisition fell through. I’m not sure if I should count that.
Oh, right, I have a few rounds of 8x50R from a gun auction I won. I was thinking about bidding on a M95 Steyr-Mannlicher that hadn’t been updated to 8x56R, so I jumped on the 8x50R. I didn’t get the rifle.
If I get my scuba gear* out, my collection has .22lr, 9mm Para, 7.62x54R, and .308 winchester. It could use at least two more, something in intermediate rifle, and another pistol round.
*I don’t actually own scuba gear
All you need is a really long bamboo stick.
I’m not swimming in the Hudson without PPE.
Good point, also get up to date on vaccinations
.38/.357 and 7.62×39
My collection .22, .222/.5.56, .270, 9MM, .45, .357, 12 GA and 20 GA
That was supposed to be .223 not .222 fat fingered
True story – I’ve never shot a 1911. I should probably fix that, but I don’t want to until I’ve got at least $1,000 of spare cash that needs to be spent.
A lot of ranges will rent firearms.
Access isn’t a problem.
You can find RIA baseline models under $400.
Greta Thunberg: Teen climate campaigner tells world leaders ‘you have stolen my childhood’
I hope you’re all proud of yourselves. You are all out here Facebooking and being fat, ruining our world, while Gen Z is out to save the world. You all disgust me.
No, Greta, your parents, teachers and other psychological abusers have done that.
“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”
Truer words never spoken.
Now I’m convinced her parents are evil bastards.
What’s the point of even mocking this? We already know that in four years or less our national debate will be over whether we tax energy consumption at 50% or just start banning energy sources outright. This is a rich man’s crusade and if the 21st Century has proved anything it’s that the “Liberal Order” means rule by “technocrats and your betters”.
“What’s the point of even mocking this?”
There isn’t. Let’s move on.
In what year will there be the first Hunger Games?
All I know is if you start mocking the contestant from the Capital City or the whole idea of the Hunger Games people are going to complain that “You’re just trying to ‘own the libs’. That’s all you care about. No wonder your contestant isn’t even going to make it that far in the Hunger Games”
Mocking? No.
Dread for the future? Yes.
When did we get “children are delicate, fragile flowers”? That’s a recent thing.
I’m more bothered by the “children are a font of wisdom and we need to do what they tell us” thing.
Yes. My kid would destroy the world before he realized he is not the font of all wisdom.
But would it look cool when he did it?
Give him a propane torch and…yeah.
The point of mocking this is that logical argument doesn’t work against fanatics, so the best way to point out the craziness to normal people is to mock the lunatics. Not nice to make fun of the insane, but if that’s the only way to expose them, just do it.
It would be different if the loonies were harmless, but they aren’t.
This is a rich man’s crusade and if the 21st Century has proved anything it’s that the “Liberal Order” means rule by “technocrats and your betters”.
Which is precisely why honest people should be drawing the dividing lines. Because this rich man’s crusade is going to have very real effects on people who aren’t so rich. And whether those people decide that they want payback for their lives being ruined from honest people or the hucksters pushing this is going to depend on how well honest people can differentiate themselves from the hucksters.
I feel for her. At that age I was trying to get into the popular kids parties and learn how to drive but for her she’s being used by asshole adults who are advancing their agenda. She looks joyless when this should be the best years of her life.
^That
waitimminit I thought OMWC steals childhoods (and children).
STEVE SMITH SAY “TAKE A HIKE!”
First off, the USA has done more to fight “global
warming/cooling/climate”change”or whatever it is this week, than any other nation. What the fuck is Sweden doing? How about I send my kid to your fucking country and have him bitch you out for your lack of free speech or your gun bans? Yeah, fuck this whole wacky bullshit.Big 1911 fan here. Before the horror of seeing the underside of the hull of my canoe in the Red I had 1911s in 22lr, 22lr, 45acp, 45acp, 45acp, 45acp, and 10mm auto.
As I said, big fan. The Kimber Gold in 45acp shot like a SWK22. I couldn’t miss with that thing. I don’t recall a single feeding problem with it.
I’m pretty sure that you can get 1911s in every pistol caliber ever invented, including .50GI and .50AE.
I’m not sure about .50 Beowulf.
It’s not a true 1911 unless it’s in .45 ACP.
“How to tell a real 1911 from a clone”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2QVA5T9z4
Same here. The first gun I ever bought was a Para-Ordnance 14+1 1911. In .45 ACP, as Allah intended.
The rest of the Dean handguns are 9mm Sigs and a 9mm Kahr. All 1911 platforms. Two are carry guns, and one is Mrs. Dean’s bedside gun (her wedding present from me).
You are clearly a gentleman of taste and refinement.
Unless they’re P320s…
Nevermind. Distracted.
Giuliani: ‘I can’t tell you if it’s 100%’ false Trump offered Ukraine aid for Biden investigation
Appearing on the Fox Business show “Mondays with Maria,” Giuliani was asked about Trump’s discussions with the Ukranian president that, according to reports, included talks of an investigation into Biden and the administration’s alleged threat to withhold military aid.
They certainly know how to put a stop to a scandal.
The scandal is that Trump was pressuring Ukraine into re-investigating Biden after that previous investigation was stopped when the Obama administration pressured Ukraine to drop that investigation.
Why doesn’t anyone ask “why do we need to give aid to Ukraine?”
Because it’s important that we funnel money to a historically corrupt country so they can fight off another historically corrupt country.
I want to see the Venn diagram of people who think it’s super duper important that we arm Ukraine against people who don’t think we should have sanctions or tariffs on China (unlike on Russia) despite that country running real life re-education camps.
And then I would be staring at a circle
Are they pushing Ukraine to re-open the investigation, or asking why it was closed in the first place? Or both?
Both as I understand it.
Interesting how the Teams have switched sides on the propriety of investigating a Presidential candidate .
There are, of course, numerous distinctions between what Trump and Biden are supposed to have done, but naturally those nuances are elided in the Team squawking.
I love 1911s and have quite a few. They’re fun to shoot, and there are a few gun games for which they remain ideal. But as a service weapon, they were obsolete by 1935.
*handle checks out*
1935? .357 magnum?
Browning Hi power
I’ll be in my bunk
“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”
Whatever, psycho. Take your meds.
calibers: .22, 9 x 19, .38 super, .45acp, 12 ga
1911s in .22, .38 super and .45acp.
I had no idea you were Mexican.
Jeffrey Epstein was allowed 90 prison visits with a woman Palm Beach Police had identified as an underage rape victim – even after registering as sex offender
The tabloids are the only ones sticking to this story. God Bless the tabloids!
And people wonder why there is a conspiracy theory about a cabal of highly-placed pedophiles.
The justice system is exactly the same for everyone regardless of how much money you have.
Now give us your guns, peasants.
My first handgun.
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/11113964
And it’s just about time to go see if the good folks at O’Reilly Auto parts have the pieces I need to put my motor back together on the shelf. I have been dealing with rockauto, for a while, but time is a factor.
I really like Rock Auto. Unless, as you said, time is an issue. Although, a time or two, the price savings was high enough cover the expedited shipping.
Also, today on Glibertarians I learned:
Watching Marc make and explain springs in the Anvil videos puts me in a happy place. https://youtu.be/RzdOyqRNJ-A
OT: I found the CS Lewis quotation I mentioned in the last thread.
“You are always dragging me down,” said I to my Body. “Dragging you down!” replied my Body. “Well I like that! Who taught me to like tobacco and alcohol? You, of course, with your idiotic adolescent idea of being ‘grown-up.’ My palate loathed both at first: but you would have your way. Who put an end to all those angry and revengeful thoughts last night? Me, of course, by insisting on going to sleep. Who does his best to keep you from talking too much and eating too much by giving you dry throats and headaches and indigestion? Eh?” “And what about sex?” said I. “Yes, what about it?” retorted the Body. “If you and your wretched imagination would leave me alone I’d give you no trouble. That’s Soul all over; you give me orders and then blame me for carrying them out.”
Magical thinking. The mind and the body are not separate entities. There is no ghost in the machine.
Hell, there’s a hundred million neurons in your gut. It’s a brain unto itself.
“Magical thinking”
I mean, I don’t think the author would argue with you. In fact, I think he would strongly agree with you.
Rock Island getting all innovative with a 10-round model
https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/gi-series/gi-standard-fs-hc-45acp/
I have three pistols, all in 9 mm Parabellum — Sig p938, Springfield EMP, and Springfield EMP-4.
I recently added a Remington 11-87 compact in 20 gauge.
Next up is a rifle 5.56×45mm NATO.
Recommend against getting a rifle in a faggy Euro caliber. Go with the All-American .308.
Step #4, Springfield M1A .308
Step #3 is most likely a Ruger Mini-14.
+1 A-Team
28 minutes ago. The DMV online waitlist said it would be 5 minutes until I’m up. Still waiting and still says 5 minutes.
Still better then commercial fusion.
I was 3rd in line at that time. I’m now 5th in line. Not sure how that works?
VIP customers?
Did you piss off a Civil Servant?
Apparently… Can’t wait until these geniuses control my healthcare.
FastPass
Wrong.
Multipass
Lilu Dallas?
Leeloo
Bada bing, bada boom.
I shall reassert my claim that Leeloo Dallas Multipass is the hottest woman in SF movies.
I might argue for Alice in the Resident Evil franchise, but since its same actress . . . .
Maybe he should try GasPass.
At present I own one 1911 myself, a simple mil-spec replica of the 1911A1 with Series 70 Colt lockwork, made by Armscor in the Philippines and imported by Rock Island Armory. This was admittedly a nostalgia purchase, as I also bought a replica US flap holster to carry it, but that affordable (about $400) 1911A1 copy is much like the original; rugged and powerful. I had a few feeding problems until I switched to Kimber magazines, and now it will feed empty cases and reliable shoots any ammo I care to feed it. Rock Island Armory imports fancier versions of the same gun, and I am told that they are solid and reliable in whatever livery you choose to try.
I didn’t try Kimber magazines in my Armscor/RIA 1911. I tried Wilson Combat magazines and it still doesn’t feed right. Well, one day I’ll get off my ass and get it to a smith.
A co-worker of mine said his dad got a 1911 through the CMP from the recent sale of 1911s. He says it looks like the military refurbed it, and then never touched it again. His dad is happy with the acquisition.
Nice write-up!
My EDC for many years (until that unfortunate boating accident just before moving to NYC) was a Para Ordnance P12, a double stacked magazine pistol based on the Colt Commander. I absolutely adore it. It was a bit finicky about feeding reloaded (cheap) rounds but a thorough ramp/feed polishing, some valve-lapping compound on the slide-faces, and a Wolff spring fixed that right up.
Pretty much my experience with the full-size Para. A (very) few feed problems that were resolved with some tuning (I’ve forgotten what).
I like the double-stack, not just for the pew-pew, but the fatter handle feels better in my hand and I think it reduces felt recoil (not much of an issue with .45 automatics in any event).
If you want to scare yourself, watch a CCW class do their shooting qualification test. I was high score both times I took it (with the big Para), and I’m perhaps a better than average pistol shot, but don’t practice like I should.
Only time I fired a .45 was the S&W version, with laser sights (ooh!). It was a rental gun at the local gun store/shooting range.
It was a handful of a gun compared to the Kimber (?) .40 cal I was mostly shooting at the time. Was my (now gone) co-worker’s gun so details are hazy. In a firefight and with my inexperience I probably would have stuck to the Kimber over the hefty S&W.
I wish I could spend my days taking sexy college girls to the range.
That said, I don’t even remember when I last went shooting. I’m deprived, I tell ya.
And I know I have mentioned before, but I still have a rifle and pistol that were bought new and have never been shot. On the positive side no one has invaded my property warranting a weaponized response. On the negative side I haven’t made it to the range and these particular guns are virginal.
I have my grandfather’s .410 that I have never shot, so it’s been at least 50 years since it’s been touched for anything other than moving.
50 years since it’s been touched
Said every married man. ///JK
But that’s interesting. It’s no use until you need it. And hopefully you never need it.
Yep, same here.
Both taking sexy college girls to the range and shooting.
Oh, and I do have a 1911, but it is chambered in 9mm. ///blasphemy
Sorry to go OT, but I wanted to share a couple of thoughts on the whole AGW discusson:
I’m willing to concede that it is certainly possible that CO2 emissions create some anthropogenic global warming. It certainly shows greenhouse properties in a controlled lab environment. The problem I have is that the models we’re being expected to massively alter policy based on, at trillions of dollars in expense, are utterly opaque. There’s no rigorous model validation process that has been allowed to be performed on the models. How do, even minor, changes in the inputs alter the models’ predictions? How accurate have their predictions proven on out-of-sample data? To what extent does out-of-sample data effect model calibration? This is all stuff that regulators expect of any statistical model in the financial markets. And that’s only dealing with the fate of one firm, not civilization as we know it.
And that’s just model testing. That leaves out model results. Statistical models produce a distribution of outputs. What is the full distribution of model predictions? And how do those outputs translate to actual results as they affect humanity? That might sound like counting angels on the head of a pin. But, it’s not. There’s a huge difference in the policy implications of a prediction that all mankind is going to be wiped out in twelve years unless we spend a few billion dollars and a prediction that we’ll have to move the FDR Drive a few feet over in one hundred years unless we devolve our civilization to medieval living standards. And you can’t draw those kinds of conclusions, at least meaningfully, unless you have the full distribution of forecasts.
And the thing is, the guys proffering these models have essentially refused to share their data and model calibration. They’ve even said that they don’t want to risk “deniers” (a term invented to smear AGW skeptics as comparable to Holocaust deniers) using the data to undermine their conclusions. But, that’s what science IS. And if you’re not willing to let skeptics look underneath the hood of the models you’re using to insist we must abandon our living standards and our liberty, no one should be surprised when the claims of those pushing the models are assumed to be self-serving.
And the thing is, the guys proffering these models have essentially refused to share their data and model calibration.
Buried lede. That’s all that matters. Until they do, then the validation and testing you describe cannot occur.
And, of course, the begged question is “why don’t they share their data and models?” I can think of no good answers to that question.
I can.
#metoo
Because it is complete bullshit. Their models admit to not including built-in feedback mechanisms like cloud albedo. And yet they have the gall to already be talking about economy-wrecking plans based upon this (non)-science… non-sense. Which really should be the giveaway for intelligent folks. When they’ve already got a Govt solution before they’ve even proven there’s a problem, that’s when you know the grift is in. See, e.g. guns, opioids, and every moral panic ever.
How do you build a climate sensitivity model for CO2?
First, you create a climate model that is wholly and completely static.
Second, you test the model for sensitivity to CO2 and adjust.
The fallacy of the models lie in the first step. Climate is not static. They’re begging the question from the beginning of the analysis.
Climate is not static because none of the factors affecting it are static. We aren’t talking one or two variables, We are talking dozens. Climate is the result of a very dynamic system.
Still, we have a long way to go before we start talking about any of that. Let’s start with basic science, none of which is being applied as far as I can tell.
It’s not the Earth they care about, they hate Humanity, Earth will do fine, with or without us, they just want to watch the World burn, on their terms….
^This. It doesn’t have shit to do with conservation or caring for Mother Earth or anything, and it isn’t even nostalgia anymore, it’s just misanthropy, anti-capitalism, and/or authoritarianism, depending on the person.
I generally and tacitly agree with this.
https://youtu.be/UWahKIG4BE4
I am stealing this for the next time I get exercised enough to rebut.
I am not good with these types of things, especially on the fly.
Me: “The data’s flawed.”
Them: “No, it’s not.”
Me: “Mmm hm. Right.”
I got nothin’ else.
https://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming-Skepticism-Busy-People-ebook/dp/B07H57WVYJ
Ooooh, thank you!
Very interesting. Thanks!
My problem lies in part that I can’t tell the difference between a street corner preacher proclaiming the end of the world and a climate change alarmist proclaiming the end of the world.
We have sinned against God er Gaia. I have read the prophecies er models and know the world will end in 11 years unless we repent of our sins.
Scott Adams’s take on this today.
https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/09/23/a-message-for-children-about-climate-change/#more-19227
I like nukes……
That’s a good read.
For the love of God, don’t read his gun control article.
The CMP is supposed to be getting surplus 1911s at some point.
More? I thought they already had some.
https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
Nobody needs 23 kinds of guns! not even the cops….
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/09/23/vermont-city-council-tackles-problem-police-guns/
Surprisingly that is not the Bee.
Makes sense. If regular joes don’t need a gun, why would the cops?
I’ve been a believer in unarmed beat cops for a long time now, and although it’s not a hill I’d die on I think in a lot of ways it goes to restore public trust in police and makes it much more difficult to be Rambo cop when you encounter conflict. But the article makes a good point that policing in the UK is a different animal. The cops that are walking around unarmed aren’t expected to fill the same role as American patrol cops. They’re basically meter maids for people. They’re there to keep an eye on things, get after people who are doing public nuisance type stuff, maybe break up a scuffle outside the pub. If shit actually goes down, they aren’t supposed to charge in with a baton and a stern look, they’re supposed to call guys who show up in body armor with firearms.
” ‘ere, ‘ere, wots all this, then?”
“Oi! Clear off you lot!”
1962 Buick LeSabre: 6 MPG!
Saving the Earth, one gallon at a time.
Does this surprise anyone
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congresswoman-mocked-for-saying-ar-15-is-as-heavy-as-10-moving-boxes-fires-50-caliber-bullets
I thought we already had the conversation above about mocking the mentally deficient.
So i read the article some more. Holy shit she’s a 13 term congresswoman. It’s good that the people of Texas have found a place for one of their most incapable to be able to receive their charity with some dignity.
This just in: Sheila Jackson-Lee is functionally retarded.
Anti-gun people don’t think there’s a problem with people with her level of “knowledge” regarding firearms, who have likely never seen a gun much less owned or fired one, regulating to the point of banning types of firearms based on criteria they select. Also, a man who is a fucking OB/GYN has no right to voice an opinion regarding abortion because he doesn’t have a vagina.
Everyone knows that a woman’s soul resides in her Vagina. It is what gives her her Intuition, and what makes a woman a woman.
It’s literally a varmint round. And we use it because it is effective. And it is effective because, unfortunately, humans are rather frail.
And no, I am not surprised by the stupidity.
Love the reply:
My coworker has the casing of a .50 cal at his desk. I, unfortunately, have never shot one.
I have a dummy.50 BMG round in my office. I would say fortunately, I have never shot one.
I recently bought a case of 50 BMG for my next Christmas present. And I have shot the Bushmaster 50 before and the felt recoil is about the same as my .308 and 12 gauge and less than my .44 mag lever action.
Also, when I was getting tour of Warthog operations at the airbase (including reloading drills), they had dummy 30mm rounds. Which the rather humorless sergeant did not allow me to keep for a souvenir.
There’s a company out there that makes bottle openers and tap handles out of spent .50 cal casings. At work or I’d search and link to it.
They are here in Tucson. A couple of lucky Glibs have gotten their fine product as BIF swag.
Saw a guy shoot one at range. Set off car alarms in lot.
You can hope for more of the similar.
Please pardon the whaddabout, but whaddabout the M2? Maybe next up in your JM Browning series?
On the list.
1911s have easily the nicest trigger break of any handgun. Only the high power (aka 1911 2.0) even comes close.
Carried a 1911 in Iraq circa 2004. Great pistol, I worried a little about capacity. However, the comfort of carrying a piece that was responsible for a great many holes in Nazis and Communists was reassuring. That and if I had expended all of or failure of M2/M240B and my M4 with a minimum of a double basic load, I figured there wasn’t much difference between 7 + 1 .45 ACP and 15 + 1 9mm Parabellum. I was hosed either way.