What? You have a problem with me waiting for the 3 free monthly NY Times articles?
Screw you, all of you, I’ve been busy. Here’s Krugnuts’ article.
I’ve seen a number of people suggest that the 2020 election will be a sort of test: Can a sufficiently terrible president lose an election despite a good economy? And that is, in fact, the test we’d be running if the election were tomorrow.
Shockingly, he recognizes the day he wrote this, was in July of 2019.
On one side, Donald Trump wastes no opportunity to remind us how awful he is. His latest foray into overt racism delights his base but repels everyone else. On the other side, he presides over an economy in which unemployment is very low and real G.D.P. grew 3.2 percent over the past year.
But the election won’t be tomorrow, it will be an exhausting 15 months from now. Trump’s character won’t change, except possibly for the worse. But the economy might look significantly different.
So let’s talk about the Trump economy.
If you think this is going to be a bunch of hand waiving, some sleight of hand, your right.
The first thing you need to know is that the Trump tax cut caused a huge rise in the budget deficit, which the administration expects to hit $1 trillion this year, up from less than $600 billion in 2016. This tidal wave of red ink is even more extraordinary than it looks, because it has taken place despite falling unemployment, which usually leads to a falling deficit.
Strange to say, none of the Republicans who warned of a debt apocalypse under President Barack Obama have protested the Trump deficits. (Should we put Paul Ryan’s face on milk cartons?) For that matter, even the centrists who obsessed over federal debt during the Obama years have been pretty quiet. Clearly, deficits only matter when there’s a Democrat in the White House.
Were you warning us about debt apocalypse while Obama was the president? You do understand anything and everything you write and publish on the internet is as permanent as genital warts? Tell me you aren’t nearly as stupid as you sound right now, just to entertain a bunch of partisan whores?
Oh, and the imminent fiscal crisis people like Erskine Bowles used to warn about keeps not happening: Long-term interest rates remain very low.
Now, the evidence on the effects of deficit spending is clear: It gives the economy a short-run boost, even when we’re already close to full employment. If anything, the growth bump under Trump has been smaller than you might have expected given the deficit surge, perhaps because the tax cut was so badly designed, perhaps because Trump’s trade wars have deterred business spending.
For now, however, Deficit Man is beating Tariff Man. As I said, we’ve seen good growth over the past year.
But the tax cut was supposed to be more than a short-run Keynesian stimulus. It was sold as something that would greatly improve the economy’s long-run performance; in particular, lower corporate tax rates were supposed to lead to a huge boom in business investment that would, among other things, lead to sharply higher wages. And this big rise in long-run growth would supposedly create a boom in tax revenues, offsetting the upfront cost of tax cuts.
None of this is happening. Corporations are getting to keep a lot more of their profits, but they’ve been using the money to buy back their own stock, not raise investment. Wages are rising, but not at an extraordinary pace, and many Americans don’t feel that they’re sharing in the benefits of a growing economy.
The buybacks…always with the butt-fucking buybacks…I don’t have time to explain this shit to you again.
Wages are indeed rising, they always have been. Given that 56% of the American population receives health insurance through their employer, as part of a package of compensation–that is theyre health insurance is part of how they get fucking paid, and since those costs keep going up for reasons you never seem to comprehend, we can safely say wages are going up.
And this is probably as good as it gets.
I’m not forecasting a recession. It could happen, and we’re very badly positioned to respond if it does, but the more likely story is just a slowdown as the effects of the deficit splurge wear off. In fact, if you believe the “nowcasters” (economists who try to get an early read on the economy from partial data), that slowdown is already happening. For example, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York believes that the economy’s growth was down to 1.5 percent in the second quarter.
BULLSHIT. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. YOU PREDICTED A GLOBAL RECESSION LAST FEBRUARY.
And it’s hard to see where another economic bump can come from. With Democrats controlling the House, there won’t be another big tax cut. The Fed may cut interest rates, but those cuts are already priced into long-term interest rates, which are what matter for spending, and the economy seems to be slowing anyway.
Which brings us back to the 2020 election.
Political scientists have carried out many studies of the electoral impact of the economy, and as far as I know they all agree that what matters is the trend, not the level. The unemployment rate was still over 7 percent when Ronald Reagan won his 1984 landslide; it was 7.7 percent when Obama won in 2012. In both cases, however, things were clearly getting better.
That’s probably not going to be the story next year. If we don’t have a recession, unemployment will still be low. But economic growth will probably be meh at best — which means, if past experience is any guide, that the economy won’t give Trump much of a boost, that it will be more or less a neutral factor.
And on the other hand, Trump’s awfulness will remain.
I take it you haven’t watched the shit show that was the Dem debates?
Republicans will, of course, portray the Democratic nominee — whoever she or he may be — as a radical socialist poised to throw the border open to hordes of brown-skinned rapists.
Wait, which one is not effectively saying that? Biden? That bald guy from Montana? Hell, half the reason I like the Yang dude is his dick isn’t big enough to fuck everybody.
And one has to admit that this strategy might work, although it failed last year in the midterms. To be honest, I’m more worried about the effects of sexism if the nominee is a woman — not just the sexism of voters, but that of the news media, which still holds women to different standards.
But as far as the economy goes, the odds are that Trump’s deficit-fueled bump came too soon to do him much political good.
Good. The more people wise up and see the political class as the retards they are, the less likely they’ll vote to let them run their lives.
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261 responses to “Economics Corner Featuring Paul Krugman and Winston’s Mom”
“Screw you, all of you, I’ve been busy.”
I think she mixed up the order of the words. It reads better as “
Fuck me with a rock.
” I’ve been busy Screw[ing] you, all of you,”
Damn your nimble fingers!
As what?
I thought she had?
I’m always left out. ?
*tries to purge mind of image of Krugman acting seductively, trying to woo Rhy*
*you and me both*
is there Edit Fairy time before Ted’S notices ?
Nope.
Damn. You are so fucking hot when you tear that idiot apart.
Fucktards and Krugman, to idiots that belong together,
But he has a Nobel prize!!!!
so does Arafat……
So does Obama, which shows how meaningless it is.
IANAE but my understanding is that the work for which Krugman won a NP was deserving of such an honor. Sometime after that he decided being a progressive stereotype was appropriate.
yup: I studied him 30 years ago
Clearly, that lady is a white supremacist.
/CNN
Caused by Trump’s racist rhetoric.
Good. The more people wise up and see the political class as the retards they are, the less likely they’ll vote to let them run their lives.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
What in the name of Jesus H. Christ is that supposed to say?
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
See, Leftists just think Jesus was being redundant in that statement.
“we already give godCaesar what belongs to Xim… What did we miss?”
Krugabe wants the economy to fail so bad.
Krugabe, Harambe, whatever…is this when I pull my dick out?
Like you didn’t already.
It could have been a national emergency. You don’t know!
I picture him with his fingers pressed against his temples trying telepathically to make the economy fail.
Sorry to go OT so soon – Due to differing time zones I have only just now replied to comments on my post on Japanese Swords. I want to thank everybody for the comments and input.
This post was Part One – with a Part Two coming next week.
I’ll take “Swords” for $400, Alex.
It starts with a bloody S!
What is Winston’s mom’s line of work? Swords for 600, please.
I’ll up that to 800$ Alex
That’s what I told yer mother last night, Trebek! Oh-hohohohohoho!
Looking forward to Part 2!
Yes. Two parts where I sit, drink a cognac, and watch all of you play swords.
That was a very interesting article.
My Grandma had a cool Japanese sword that I loved to play with as a kid. She got it from her brother, who got it from a surrendering officer at I believe Okinawa. It looks a lot like this one.
http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/japanese/sword_28.html
Gunto vary tremendously in quality. If you can tell it’s not just cut from stock, go ahead and take the handle off and see if it’s signed.
It was not unheard of for an imperial Japanese officer to have his family sword in Gunto mountings like the one you link to. But almost always these were just contemporary, industrially produced blades.
Have the markets recovered from Trumpenhitler’s election yet, Paulie?
And speaking of Not-secret Nazi President…..this actually happened. Deranged is an insufficient word to describe these people.
Well, I’m not a conspiracy nut, but why 8/8 instead of Friday or 3 days or whatever?
It probably was a standard number of days, but was stated in terms of when it ends. Anybody know for sure?
LOLOLOL
Just an FYI – the froot loop in the clip had an op-ed in the New York Times today and is a former assistant director of the FBI.
Because of course he did.
The NYT: Hearing all of those dog whistles from the current Nazi President.
I’m not all that surprised. You know who else was in law enforcement saw Nazis everywhere he looked?
Do they all check their closets and under their beds for white supremacists every night? This shit has gone so far beyond retarded. There’s so many of them is what’s crazy.
It’s the modern Satanic Panic.
Pretty much. There are probably more actual Satanist than actual White Supremists.
That just means he knows how to kiss ass really well and occasionally entrap a harmless moron.
That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard on a “respectable” news channel. They’ve lost their goddamn minds.
Tony Gonzales, Nazi Tight-End?
Oh no, not Dale Jr!
It looks like the consensus on the thread is that this paean to Adolph Hitler is the work of Stephen Miller who is a Jew. They really are deranged.
Some dude had a thought today.
Wow, that’s truly disturbing. And not for the reasons all the posters think. I’ve got in mind an article for this site on conspiracy theory. I should start working on it.
This entire thread is about the flag going from half-mast to full-mast?
Stop the planet. I want to get off.
I know, right? We aren’t even on water crafts/ships. How could an “FBI” guy be that stupid….?
/TedS–you wanna take over here?
Bullshit. You want the nominee to be a woman so you and your ilk can trot out this nonsense ad nauseam rather than deal with actual issues.
It is reinforced to me more and more often that there are two different worlds in which we live. There is the world that I inhabit where people go about their daily business, most pursuing their personal goals and trying not to step on any toes in the process. Then there’s the bizarro world where there is a rigid racial caste system and women are treated like cattle and any deviation from WASPy orthodoxy results in having society shit on you until you can’t take it anymore.
Yeah, and anyone in meat-space who tries to mix those worlds gets a withering stink-eye from me.
Maybe they have the special glasses? Or we do? Beam me up Scotty.
Yep. A “likeable” woman, i.e. not Harris or Warren, could be unstoppable with a press ready to pounce at any criticism and frame it as sexism. But Tulsi is still considered a long shot. Or at least a mid-tier…I think? Don’t much care, but she seems like the obvious answer for anyone in that party with a brain.
“anyone in that party with a brain”
That’s why she’s at 1%
These are the same people who despised Palin and Thatcher.
They’re not really women though. They’re tools of the Patriarchy.
“You want the nominee to be a woman so you and your ilk can trot out this nonsense”
You want the nominee to be a Democrat so you and your ilk can trot out this nonsense about the free stuff. Will have no affect on the deficit. In fact, it’ll pay for itself because its an investment.
/Sarc
I would not put it past them to elevate “Democrat” to a protected class just so they can play that game.
Glib Brain Trust,
What kind of moth is this?
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/jhKxD8AlRTOTWHvZt0GFTQ.5evmxhCdMhjbrmdY5sCS6-
It’s about a 1/4″ long in person. That’s a zoomed up pic.
Kill it!
JK. I like moths.
As long as they stay outside.
Oh sure. I capture them and throw them out a window.
When we are sitting ont he patio around dusk, one of these guys (or a cousin of it) buzz around us visiting all the flowers.
Jeebus, that’s like a small bird.
Yep. Their size and behavior is practically identical to hummingbirds. The first time we saw one that’s what we thought it was; until we got a good look at it. Very cool.
Pretty cool
I doubt that is clear enough to definitively identify. I’ve used this site in the past to help ID bugs. There might be better out there.
https://bugguide.net
HOFMANNOPHILA PSEUDOSPRETELLA: The common brown house moth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmannophila_pseudospretella
Look at the big brain on Brad!
Thanks
Deathhead. You’re screwed.
Cockroach?
Yeah, no. ?
Florida Cockroaches do! Bahhhhh!
That is the kind of moth that flew into my ear and then crawled its way to the bottom one morning back in the late 90’s. Fucking trip to the emergency room to get the fucker from tap dancing on my eardrum. It was tormenting. Kill it. Kill them all they are evil. I suggest a torch of some sort.
OT, but since I just sat down to see the local media- Im gonna bet that this wont get much traction nationally.
The unbalanced wing-nut that shot up a club was also an anti-KKK guy? Say it aint so…
Ill just add: “The Dayton Daily News reported Monday that a friend of Betts told police the would-be Dayton shooter discussed mass shootings. But the friend, Will El-Fakir, told the newspaper Betts was “definitely not a right-leaning person. His political views definitely leaned to the left.”
I had also read he was pro gun control like the NZ asshole.
Funny how that works, when you’re shooting up a street.
Well the NZ bitch was very clear that one of his goals was to force stricter gun control laws. Game set match.
I dont know if you saw DeWine and his press conference and ‘red flag laws’.
I was about to Elvis my TV. Again.
No I didn’t thankfully. That guy is a tool. He never met a law he didn’t like.
DeWine is a statist prick. He was garbage as AG, and only got the seat as Bud Brown’s protege.
Agree on all counts
So 40% of Very Liberal voters want Warren even though 45% or them think Biden has the best shot at beating Trump. Strategy. How does it work? Whomever it is, is they’re pushing gun control during the general, they can fuggetaboutit. Especially if the economy is still doing well.
https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2019/08/06/hoo-boy-new-national-poll-shows-harris-sliding-second-dem-debate/
They polled the same group of shitbags and asked them two separate questions, then filtered out by the result of a previous question to only show the percentage of people self-identifying as “very liberal?”
“overt racism”
Lie.
“I like the Yang dude is his dick isn’t big enough to fuck everybody.”
Lie. Everyone knows that for Winston’s Mom a dick can never be big enough.
“sexism of voters”
Lie.
“the news media, still holds women to different standards”
Yeah, they clearly give them a lot more leeway.
I’ll give Krugnuts the broken clock award for pointing out the Pachyderms’ hypocrisy, then immediately take it away for not recognizing his own and the Jackasses’.
Yeah, the only thing he’s right about is that “it’s the economy, stupid”. But we already knew that.
But the tax cut was supposed to be more than a short-run Keynesian stimulus.
When has a Keynesian stimulus ever been intended to be short ran? They are only short ran because the companies created to gulp up the free taxpayer loot go bankrupt after the intended people got themselves a few new cars and a kick ass pad with a kick ass pool.
In fairness to Keynes, he was really clear on this point:
But this long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task, if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us, that when the storm is long past, the ocean is flat again.
A Tract on Monetary Reform (1923), Ch. 3, p. 80
Can’t argue with that.
The problem with responding to the crisis du jour is that it is an inherently irrational time and whatever solutions get enacted will be rushed through. Saying the water will be calmer on the other side is, usually, the right thing to do, because while we all die in the end, we don’t necessarily die today.
Titty Tuesday: on topic for Winston’s Mom.
http://archive.li/7qZtu
Dang
Some silicone sister with a manager mister, told me she’s got what it takes…
She did tell me she would turn me on to something strong….
/the adolescent pumps his way into his hat, indeed.
If you insist. Never say no to a lady;
challengeoffer accepted.She offered her honor
I honored her offer
and all through the night
I was on her and off her
Lol. Nice!
Damn, that IS clever.
Nice.
For Ted’S:
Garbage person Nick Kyrgios out in the first round in Montreal after foul-mouthed tirades at the umpire and the ball-boys for not providing him with the correct colored towel. Bobble-head commentators and the crowds still seem to eat up his shit. I don’t get it.
Anyway,
*happy dance* ??
Tennis benefits from people who show emotion. They do not benefit from petulent assholes like Kyrgios.
It does*
Is there a Ted S equivalent for matching plurality of pronouns and verbs? That person would hate me.
Grammar is for nazis
Eh, everyone hates you already. :-p
Yeah, emotion is fine. All the other theatrics isn’t. And I find it telling that Nadal is the only person in the universe to call him out on his shit.
On Sunday during the first set in the final match against Medvedev he looked like he was going to retire due to injury. And then he still won.
All part of the narrative – “he’s so talented when he’s not being an asshole!”
*Cringes in national embarrassment*
“I’m not forecasting a recession. It could happen, and we’re very badly positioned to respond if it does,”
What position is that? What does this mean?
Krugman is to economics what fake scientists are to climate adjustment, er, ‘change’.
It could happen, and
we’rethe Fed, to the degree that it might matter, is out of bulletsvery badly positioned to respondif it doesI guess that’s what he meant
A position in which he calls the shots and takes bribes to influence policy to the benefit oft the bribers.
Long walk, short pier, etc
we’re very badly positioned to respond if it does
As if there wouldn’t be a spendapalooza like last time. I’d like to live in the cutthroat free market austerity world that exists in Krugman’s head.
Anyone notice Joaquin Castro’s trick today?
On one side you have the people of Gotham. On the other, Arkham. Where do lunatic Democrats belong? Ooops. I gave away the answer!
Meh… donor lists are public knowledge. At worst it’s douchebaggery of the highest order but I would expect that from him anyway. I’ll leave the courts to decide if it’s incitement to anything.
Douchebaggery for sure. When they go low……go lower?
Wait until someone starts blasting out donors for some of the left ass-hats.
And watch ole Walk-een be the first to complain when it does!
Yes, it is a public list, although their occupations and employers are not so easily found.
What’s the point of public shaming? And to do it soon after a tragedy?
He’s a douchebag. It’s designed to rile the base up.
I don’t disagree.
Isn’t it bizarre? Worrying about the economy when the world is collapsing around us, climatically speaking, according to the Doomsday Cultmeisters?
But we’re all gonna die of mass shootings first.
Yeah, why should we work so hard to get common-sense gun control, which will take a generation or two before all the guns that don’t get turned in will be too old to function when we will all be dead in 11 years and 4 months?
They say we have ran out of time to do something. The estimates are anywhere between 18 months and 12 years last I read. So the question I’d ask Paul is how are long term treasury yields reacting? As far as I can tell, no doomsday dropping yields but they do suggest a recession may be coming but the Fed gives that a 25% chance despite the inverted yield curve.
We’ll always be 20 years away from
cold fusionclimate apocalypse.“They actually reported it, huh”
https://twitter.com/PetiteNicoco/status/1158721088651780097
“In addition, a Twitter account that appears to belong to Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.
The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, “Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die.”
The user’s Twitter bio reads: “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I’m going to hell and I’m not coming back.” One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.”
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html
“Reza Aslan is either dangerously stupid, inciting violence
Or he is intentionally lying and misleading people using bad faith tactics to promote violence.
Either way, how does twitter allow this but you can’t tweet about voter ID or learning to code?”
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1158714506035499008
This Reza Aslan seems nice.
WTF is that pussy going to do except run his yap.
https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1158861793399152640
Christ, what an asshole.
He’s a peach.
It’s assholes all the way down.
“Any business that donates to Trump is complicit and endorses the white supremacy he espoused in Charlottesville, with his “send her back” chants, and by laughing at shouts that Hispanic immigrants should be shot. Donors’ names are on FEC reports. They are newsworthy.”
https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/1158882969223946242
This Charlottesville thing is out of hand. Politifact has the full transcript on their site. Once you read it, you see in the flesh how they flat out lied. It’s INEXCUSABLE for a public official, journalist or public intellectual to keep citing it. If they do so, it points straight to their cynicism and opportunism.
I find it interesting Politifact didn’t fact check it. They seemed eager to protect AOC but C’ville not so much. Unless I missed it?
Huh, they’ve made up one I haven’t heard before. Good on them.
“There seems to be some confusion among the right wing about whether I believe that all Trump supporters are culpable in the white nationalist terrorism he’s inspired. Let me just clear this up. YES. ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CULPABLE. If you support a racist you are a racist. End.”
https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1158879846887333888
Don’t know much about him other than reading the odd tweet over the years. Always struck me as not too bright. Would it surprise anyone he’s probably projecting?
He also ate a piece of human brain on his CNN show. I suspect he’s showing early signs of Kuru.
Yeh what’s up with that? CNN aired cannibalism?
Now what they should do, since the left eats its own, is have him cut into someone’s brain and eat it like that scene in ‘Hannibal’.
Send him back to Narnia.
Lordstown ain’t coming back
Per our recent conversation, I recall that Trump took OH by 11k.
Regarding Workhorse, they hate me. Their predecessor got three pallets of my inventory through bankruptcy, and I wouldn’t ever give them nice pricing after that. FWIW, the old UCBC built most of the UPS package cars back in the day so far as I know.
“If you wanna be my lover, you gotta support common sense gun laws”
https://twitter.com/okcupid/status/1158413435388006400
Retard Spice?
We already covered all the “common sense” stuff from the 1930s to the 1990s. Now we’re in uncommon and nonsensical territory.
We covered all the common sense in the 1791. All the garbage since then was nonsensical.
All the common sense was covered in 1775. The brits found it to be a Paine in their collective ass.
It is a bit scary that the revolution was started over less egregious offenses than what our own government does today. The only way the British government ca. 1776 can be said to be worse than today’s government is that they gave the citizens of the colonies no representation, whereas our own government gives us extremely dilute and easily rigged representation.
I just want one of these asshats to admit that we already have a whole slew of ineffective “common sense” gun laws and that, maybe, just maybe, guns aren’t the problem.
“Now you’re just digressing from the national conversation we’re trying to have…”
Related:
THE FRAMERS ONLY MEANT MUSKETS N’ SHIT!!! 111!!!
Sorry I’m about to go off-topic.
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking and I’ve think I’ve come up with a plan to stop gun violence that will be just as effective as every other plan that has been proposed.
I know this may be controversial but I want you all to just calm down and consider this rationally.
Give $100,000,000 to every Glib.
What do you all think?
how am I going to spend all that in 12 years ?
/ not Keynes
30 Chirons?
Hookers and blow, while traveling the world in your private jet? You would probably miss the last 8-10 years of the planets destruction.
Article idea: Keynesian economics while it might make sense in the most simplified of theoretical worlds, is total bullshit in the real world, for myriad reasons that I would enumerate.
I think you’re missing a few zeroes.
That’s what Yamamoto said.
*golf clap*
With thinking like that, you are indeed an economist.
Anyone against that plan is obviously racist.
Krugman’s predictions seem awfully close to what he wishes would happen.
This. So much this. His hypocrisy knows no bounds. Lower interest rates and deficit spending DO have their limits.
Neg rates are bullets. Bullets that explode in the chamber, but still bullets.
I see that Bernie is the guest on Joe Rogan’s latest podcast. I also see that the show clocks in at about 1:20, significantly shorter than most JRE interviews. Bernie must have needed a nap.
Or his programming broke and he was wheeled away to have his brain restarted.
Donald Trump should go on Joe Rogan.
Rogan has 6 million subscribers. He’s (and Carolla for that matter) more listened to than news networks.
Such kind words for Bernie. That’s where things stand I guess. Imagine the DNC being so bad that people praise a fricken SOCIALIST with long ties to communist organizations because he ‘genuinely cares’.
Not me man. I’m going down with the ship.
smh.
I’d imagine a lot of Rogan’s audience are people who were anti-Bush. Younger, soft converts to Trumpism. There’s not a big gap between that and Bernie-broism. It’s the woke-factor that turned them off from the left. I’m thinking of the Sargon types. You aren’t even on that ship.
Not gonna watch it. Joe’s sloppy thinking and “I’m a free thinker!” Shtick has become almost unbearable. So brave, Joe, to come out against men beating up women in the octagon.
Yeah, I had been following him (just heard about him a couple months ago) for the few science and nutrition podcasts but the rest of his schtick is rubbing thin.
If anyone can correct me, as I’ve been quite distracted over the last few months, we’re basically dealing with a situation where two left leaning individuals shot up some places and the media is crying about white nationalism? Am I missing anything?
THEY USED GUNS TO SHOOT AT THEIR VICTIMS
MINORITIES ARE VICTIMS, AND THEIR VICTIMS ARE VICTIMS
THEREFORE THEY USED GUNS TO SHOOT AT MINORITIES
ONLY RETHUGLIKKKANS LIKE GUNS
THEREFORE THEY’RE RETHUGLIKKKANS WHO USED GUNS TO SHOOT AT MINORITIES
Gaia below, you morans, do I have to spell it out?
And somebody a couple weeks before in totally gun-free Japan killed about the same number with equipment and materials that are available anywhere.
My guess in the most recent couple US-based examples is that 1) they Dayton guy’s politics don’t matter because – HAND WAVE “WHOA! LOOKIE THERE!”, and the other guy’s left-leaning politics are washed away by his “Trump-leaning racism”.
I’ve been trying to find stats on shootings in America by first or second generation Japanese. Is it significantly higher than in Japan or not?
I think you’d have as much luck finding statistics on shootings by disabled albino trannies, frankly.
It would be a useful stat for one side or the other. Either it’s guns causing the murders or it’s culture. Or a mixture.
I would wager that the number of shootings by Japanese are so low here and in Japan itself that it would be statistically irrelevant. Which would not support the position of the gun grabbers. I mean, you could basically use generic crime stats and have paint the same picture. The Japs have lower crime rates here and there regardless of what weapons they have access to. Gun crimes just aren’t going to be tracked on that level. At least not in an easy-to-find way.
But I think we have enough data of this nature to make an honest assessment. It’s just that the issue is so divided that some people don’t want to do that.
It really is an unnecessary stat regardless. Guns per capita throughout different populations and across time doesn’t bear out the muh guns cause shootings. I just want to see the grabbers defend such a clear discrepancy.
I must be such a hero to the left, I had a gun in my house for 15 years, and not only did the gun not talk me into shooting someone, it never even convinced me to fire it at all!
I can’t imagine that statistic being easy to find as they would probably just be lumped as “Asian” and the 1st/2nd generation category wouldn’t be interesting/significant to most sociologists/criminologists.
It’s not at all clear to me that he leaned right. I have no problem admitting I think the left in the West is more violent than the right at this point in time. There are more far left leaning individuals willing to go further for their cause than the other way around. By a lot.
So I find what I know about this comparable to the New Zealand shooter. A guy who was calling for gun control. Admitting as much in his manfiesto. But who conducted an attack on a minority group. Would you put it past the craziest of the crazies on the left to attack minorities to get their way? The El Paso guy’s politics are a bit ambiguous. But it sure as hell isn’t being portrayed that way. It’s not at all clear he’s some member of the alt-right or a Trump guy.
But, is that the truth of the matter? As I recall, he was expecting gun control to be enacted because of what he did, with an eye towards nativists* rising up against the government to overturn gun conrol.
I could be wrong, but, that’s what I recall from what I saw in his manifesto.
*nativists being virtually synonymous with guns-rights people, in his mind.
I have this weird hang-up about reading the manifestos of mass killers so I can’t say for certain. The reports I read were that he sought gun control. I need someone to enact this labor for me.
According to his manifesto, the NZ shooter was a fan of the Chinese system of government, calling for eco-socialism. He meant for his actions to cause a race war leading to gun confiscation. He was all over the place, and not sure which parts were serious.
There was one of these whack-jobs who totally copy-pasted a Warty like rant 4-chan style into the manifesto, but I don’t remember if was this whacko. Whichever one it was, I know I pointed it out in the threads.
I remember that…
Ah, yes–’tis true, and is probably the best explanation for us.
The reports are showing that the Dayton one was the result of a left leaning individual, but I haven’t heard back about the El Paso one except for the events of the shooting and the aftermath. Also, El Paso shooter had a manifesto posted on 8 chan, maybe? Anything else come out on that one besides the Mexicans trying to extradite him?
He was an environmentalist and a socialist, from what I gather. Which is what I was looking for a correction on, if I’m wrong. He may just be where the horseshoe of political crazies intersect, but it’s not at all clear that he’s some Trump guy. The far left was not all on board with open immigration even up to a few years ago. Saint Bernie himself called it a right wing plot to undercut workers in the Before Time of 2014/15.
Not to mention candidate Obama pining for a wall in 2007 and 2008.
It only means even right-thinking people can also be puppeteered by Trump and his puppeteers in the Kremlin.
If you think this is going to be a bunch of hand waiving, some sleight of hand, your right.
No one else is going to point this out?
Ted’s isn’t here man.
dammit
I was going to leave it for Ted’S.
Ted is busy maybe?
I’m pretty sure he noticed.
::coughcoughcomment2cough::
Gah!
twas the second comment !
Some late night entertainment
https://www.instagram.com/p/B01dJ0pjONu/
Wait a tic… You know, we never actually do find out whatever happened to predictability.
I want my money back!
Today I gnat somehow find its way into the layer between the plastic screen and the LCD array on one of my monitors. So I could see it moving around on the screen, but I couldn’t get rid of it. A real bug in my system.
Sounds like a feature to me!
I am visually aware of the action you completed in this thread.
Don’t know if anybody else has already posted this, but Krugman reminded me of this.
Huh. <a href="https://youtu.be/r0mO6UY6uTg"This.
Wow. This?
Krugman reminds me of a 404 error, too.
Yeah, Denver’s NOT wrong on this.
That was so good I the beetus!
C, I woulda just told you, “You da Man!”
If you want to be beetus, go ahead.
/will pray for you
Who da man now dawg!
That’s not really a ‘soup’ question…
mmmm, Soup…
Bullshit. I’m just drunk. This
You also could’ve gone with the broken window fallacy scene. Zorg IS Krugman. Zorgman?
If they can get rid of the white guys, team blue will be invincible. You repubs only attack women and people of color!
To be sure, no one likes women or people of color.
*raises hand tentatively* well, I kinda like women,
especiallyeven the ones darker than me.And if you do and you’re white it’s just proof of white supremacy because you have chocolate/yellow/latina fever, which means you only seek control over women of color!
Yeah you repubs! *stands behind straff shaking fist, doesn’t see anyone there*
There may be a few Jews standing around. Are you an anti semite?
I would be careful about shaking your fist behind straff….
/insert “you do you” joke here?
Insert… phrasing?
Thank you, Denver!
what, I’m innocently using my Shake Weight!
I’m glad it wasn’t the actual commercial.
I’m also rather pissed that their’s wasn’t the original commercial.
Ah, Mr. O’Rourke: Never ever miss an opportunity to insert your stupidity into any situation.
Also: That’s some fine work, there, Lou!
I was upset with the treatment, but c’mon
‘A black man, dragged with a rope by police officers on horses’ Fuck you BETO!
A man of the people. Just not of observation.
Please. If he was white, you know they would have ordered up a palanquin and fed him grapes while they waited.
Well, first the cops would have ripped off their shirts to expose their gleaming pecks, then sung a number about how whites are great, then carried him aloft on the palanquin.
OK: are you referring to this?
Or, was it this?
I was thinking this, except replacing Jesus with White guy.
::nods in approval::
I’ll allow it.
It coulda been much worse for the guy.
Don’t touch my post its!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/07/masked-men-destroy-hong-kong-lennon-wall-at-australias-university-of-queensland
UUUUMMMMM! Someone used the “Thug” word in that tweet!
RAYSIS!!!
Fuck Lenon, he was an asshat, but also fuck whoever did this, asshats all around.
If it’s not yours, don’t touch it! It’s not that hard!
Some people just need to be saved from themselves, comrade. Besides, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.
/holds hand to ear and speaks into sleeve
I don’t think it’s just a matter of that. Chinese indoctrinated students or outright state agents did it.
I tend to believe Gustave’s take in this regard. He seems rather knowledgeable…
::suspiciously looks at Gustave::
In fact, I’d say he’s terribly
mysteriousknowledgeable.Funny that when he imagined no countries and no morality he never imagined somebody might take him at his word, walk up and shoot him in the street.
Agreed that you should ruin other people’s stuff. There is something silly about the whole thing, though. I guess The Guardian has to pump out news on a 24 hour a day basis.
Or *shouldn’t*.
Silly = humans doing human shit.
Quiet night in ol’ Glibton tonight.
Here-have some ambiance
Good morning everyone (still here). Home from work and this has been an earworm all night long, so I’ll share because I love. https://youtu.be/PVZ4gSw10yw
push that crap out of your brain with some Reverend Al
A little disappointed that wasn’t “All Night Long”
I personally know someone who is wrong all the time about everything. That makes two people that come to mind when I think ‘wrong all the time about everything’.
morning