Blaxploitation!

Alright, on to the second installment of As Seen On TV, and as I said in the first one I might deviate from TV shows. I’ll go ahead and do that now, but it’s OK because when I saw this movie it was on a TV, so close enough.

We all know the genre of blaxploitation, but did ever wonder where it came from? How did it start? Well, the film that is generally agreed as the originator of the genre is Sweet Sweetback’s Baadasssss Song, a 1971 film written and directed by and starring Melvin Van Peebles (you might have heard of his son Mario, but more on that later).

Sweetback (as I will henceforth refer to it) is the story of a, well I’ll just wikipedia tell it:

A young African-American orphan…taken in by the proprietor of a Los Angeles brothel in the 1940s. …he is raped by one of the prostitutes at a young age. The women name him “Sweet Sweetback” in honor of his sexual prowess and large penis. As an adult, Sweetback (Melvin Van Peebles) works as a performer in the whorehouse, entertaining customers by performing in a sex show.

From there it’s a story of corrupt cops trying to frame him for murder because they want to pin it on a black guy (they plan to release him afterwards, they just want a fall guy to the pressure off). But the cops also a catch a Black Panther, and when they start beating him Sweetback attacks the cops and flees. From there it’s all trying evade the police while exchanging his sexual talents for help from lady folk.

Sounds like a perfect Glibs movie, but I don’t remember any blackjack. The movie itself may not be that great, but it had an interesting impact on movies that came later.

The film’s focus on urban black culture and themes of black revolution are the easiest way to see the influence, which was Van Peebles’ goal. He gained some influence for his past work in Hollywood, but movies exploring this culture were still seen as too out of the norm. He had been offered a deal from Paramount to make movies, but not this movie. The late 60s-early 70s is when the old Hollywood Studio System started to crumble. Independent films were becoming what was groovy. Going through the studios was no longer the only way films could get made. To this end, Van Peebles financed the film himself (after he ran out of money he got Super Predator Bill Cosby to invest) and worked with a ragtag crew of people within his network. Like when he needed to score the film he hired this little group a friend of a friend knew named Earth Wind and Fire.

 

On top of writing, directing and starring Van Peebles also edited the film, the style he used influenced films that came later. Even though I work in editing, I’m too technical of a guy, hell I’ll just let wikipedia say it:

The film’s fast-paced montages and jump cuts were novel features for an American movie at the time. Stephen Holden from The New York Times commented that the film’s editing had “a jazzy, improvisational quality, and the screen is often streaked with jarring psychedelic effects that illustrate Sweetback’s alienation.”[8] In The 50 Most Influential Black Films: A Celebration of African-American Talent, Determination, and Creativity, author S. Torriano Berry writes that the film’s “odd camera angles, superimpositions, reverse-key effects, box and matting effects, rack-focus shots, extreme zooms, stop-motion and step-printing, and an abundance of jittery handheld camera work all helped to express the paranoid nightmare that [Sweetback’s] life had become.”[9]

When the movie was released it got an X rating and one of the few theaters that would even show it cut some stuff out. Working to secure that release was another showing of Van Peeble’s hustling to make this movie happen, he had to go convince theaters himself to even show it, at first he only convinced two. But once audiences saw the film and word of mouth spread it ended up making $4.1 million.

Oh, I said I talk more about Melvin’s son Mario. For those of you don’t recognize the name Mario Van Peebles is a B or C list action star but has also appeared in mainstream films with the likes of Clint Eastwood and Wesley Snipes, he even just happened to guest star on an episode of The Cosby Show. Mario’s first role was playing young Sweetback in this film, you know when the character was raped. Yeah, his dad directed him in a rape scene. But once Mario got all growed up he made a movie about his dad making the movie based on a book his dad had written about making the movie. That’s a lot of basing. That movie is called Bad Asssss and relates some of the experiences from making Sweetback and is generally enjoyable, containing re-enactments of anecdotes like these:

Van Peebles and several key crew members were armed because it was dangerous to attempt to create a film without the support of the union. One day, Van Peebles looked for his gun, and failed to find it. Van Peebles found out that someone had put it in the prop box. When they filmed the scene in which Beetle is interrogated by police, who fire a gun next to both of his ears, it was feared that the real gun would be picked up instead of the prop.

While shooting a sequence with members of the Hells Angels, one of the bikers told Van Peebles they wanted to leave; Van Peebles responded by telling them they were paid to shoot until the scene was over. The biker took out a knife and started cleaning his fingernails with it. In response, Van Peebles snapped his fingers, and his crewmembers were standing there with rifles. The bikers stayed to shoot the scene.[6]

Van Peebles had received a permit to set a car on fire, but had done so on a Friday; as a result, there was no time to have it filed before shooting the scene. When the scene was shot, a fire truck showed up. This ended up in the final cut of the film.[6]

Comments

262 responses to “Blaxploitation!”

  1. slumbrew

    It’s one of those titles I’ve been aware of forever, but I’ve never seen it. I doubt the wife will be down, so next time she’s traveling for work.

  2. Heroic Mulatto

    The best blaxploitation flick is The Mack

    This is incontrovertible.

    1. commodious spittoon

      I used that word when I watched the Shaft reboot with my girlfriend, and she excused herself and minutes later I found her crying in our bedroom because her boyfriend is a racist. And I had to explain to her that it’s a movie genre. This is a black woman. WTF, guys? Don’t you hold classes?

      1. slumbrew

        I… wow.

      2. CPRM

        I never got why it got mixed with exploitation, because for the most part it was coming from black film makers, but I’m guessing it came from lefty movie reviewers who thought it was the system’s fault.

        According to wiki “The Los Angeles National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) head and ex-film publicist Junius Griffin coined the term from the words “black” and “exploitation.”

        Not sure if that is what I describe or trying to ‘take back power’.

        1. My understanding is that it had to do with the producers. The “exploitation film” as a genre was already old hat by the 60s, but the target demo was mostly teenagers and young adults, and the general themes were sex, violence, and drugs/booze. Blaxploitation just takes that and steers it towards black audiences, or what they thought black audiences wanted to see at the time. The theme of black protagonists overcoming the system as manifested in racist whites by using cunning and justified violence, frequently enacting rough justice against people who have hid behind authority or society, comes up over and over again in pop culture even after the blaxploitation heyday of the 70s.

          1. CPRM

            Melvin Van Peebles and Bill Cosby exploiting them blacks.

      3. Heroic Mulatto

        I’m as confused as you.

    2. Timeloose

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w

      Love this song for some reason.

      1. slumbrew

        You’re not alone. It’s a jam.

        1. slumbrew

          I don’t know why this made me laugh:

          Mike Whipkey
          2 weeks ago

          I’m a 33 year old Farmer I got this cranked up in my Tractor

        2. slumbrew

          The girl in that still looks good

          1. Chafed

            Yes she does.

          2. Yeah, but homeboy’s slant fade didn’t hold up well. Not exactly a classic.

    3. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

      The best blaxploitation flick is The Mack

      I about near had an anxiety attack, thinking I was going to have to argue with the HM about this.

      Then, I remembered that Black Dynamite is a blaxploitation parody, and I realize that we can peacefully co-exist.

      BD is my favorite comedy, and I’m putting it up against giants like Mel Brooks (who I adore as much as you lot do). I just give it extra credit because of what the group accomplished with so much less.

    4. AlexinCT

      No love for Blackula?

  3. blackjack

    Sounds like a perfect Glibs movie, but I don’t remember any blackjack. The movie itself may not be that great, but it had an interesting impact on movies that came later.

    Yeah, I wasn’t in that one…

    1. DenverJ

      Yeah, it’s quote from Bender Rodriguez, the greatest robot ever: link

  4. commodious spittoon

    We clearly need a Sweetback sockpuppet. I nominate CPRM. HM might have done, but, you know… I don’t think he’s black enough.

    1. slumbrew

      Too Jewish.

      1. slumbrew

        I sincerely hope everyone hears this when they read that.

        1. RegicidalManiac

          That is exactly what I heard, so well done!

    2. The Bearded Hobbit

      You ain’t black enough

      Skip to about 4:35

      1. commodious spittoon

        Wow. That is some authentic WTF. I’m going to need to do some more research.

        1. commodious spittoon

          I think I need a couple more classes on racial theory to understand how fucked up this shit is.

          1. commodious spittoon

            Oh my God, treasure trove does not describe this well enough. Is there a term for something you discover which isn’t enriching for yourself, or for anyone at all, but is a goddamn goldmine? Uranium, maybe? What the hell even is this?!

          2. slumbrew

            It’s not exactly an obscure movie.

          3. commodious spittoon

            I am pure as piss driven snow, my friend.

          4. The Bearded Hobbit

            Really? This is a surprise to me as this was cutting-edge sarcasm at the black-white divide in 1970. Blacks were crows, cops were pigs. No subtlety here.

            If you haven’t seen the whole movie then check it out. I particularly loved the pool/death scene and the tweaker rabbit..

            An aside, my best man took me to this movie for my bachelor party in 1972. His sister provided a couple of joints.

          5. Winston

            Dammit I thought movies made before last year did not have any leftist messages but were pure entertainment!

          6. Bobarian LMD

            Ralph Bakshi did a lot of ‘groundbreaking’ animation in the ’70s.

            The first LOTR movie, Fritz the Cat, Wizards, American Pop…

            I think he created rotoscoping to do more life like animation.

          7. Winston

            I think he created rotoscoping to do more life like animation.

            Um no.

            he rotoscope technique was invented by animator Max Fleischer in 1915

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

          8. CPRM

            rotoscoping is very old, Disney used it for Snow White and Max Fleicher used it for the 1940s Superman cartoons, and the technique wasn’t new even then,

          9. Bobarian LMD

            I went and looked, apparently he utilized a new method of rotoscoping with a IBM copier that made his LOTR possible to do at budget.

          10. CPRM

            Yeah, rotoscoping has changed with technology, what they do with CGI now works on a lot of the same principles just with newer tech. See: Serkis, Andy.

          11. Spudalicious

            Fritz the Cat was cutting edge shit.

          12. Brett L

            Well, if you haven’t seen American Pop, watch that after Fritz.

          13. The Bearded Hobbit

            Then Wizards.

          14. commodious spittoon

            Holy shit, this resolves a little spot of contention I’ve had with my brother since I was a child. I’ve tried to describe to him this scene countless times, and we thought it had something to do with the Dark Crystal, but I’m pretty sure this is it.

          15. The Bearded Hobbit

            Yeah, that’s Wizards.

          16. commodious spittoon

            We’ve been debating this shit for over a decade. For some reason, that scene featured heavily in my memory. I don’t know how young I’d have been. I don’t know how or why I’d watched it. But I’ve quizzed my brother about it for years. I don’t even talk to him anymore. but here it is.

          17. Heroic Mulatto

            Wait until you discover Bakshi’s Coonskin.

      2. Heroic Mulatto

        My step-father was the insurance agent for this film.

        1. Winston

          Can’t tell if serious…

          1. Heroic Mulatto

            Completely serious. I mentioned this fact before. He worked for the department of Prudential that handled productions that were seen as “adult” in nature. Thus he was nicked named around the office as “Filthy Phil”.

          2. Chafed

            He must have been seen as the coolest insurance agent.

  5. kinnath

    This is how I know about Mario Van Peebles.

    Sonny Spoon

    1. slumbrew

      Is… is that a man with no legs on a skateboard?

        1. kinnath

          In the 1988-1990 TV series Sonny Spoon, Wieland played the character of Johnny Skates.

        2. slumbrew

          Yah, ended up there.

          June 14, 1969

          Dear Mom and Dad.

          I’m in the hospital. Everything is going to be O.K. The people here are taking good care of me.

          Love, Bob.

          P.S. I think I lost my legs.

          Badass.

          1. kinnath

            https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0927395/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t3

            Trivia: Became a marathon participant using his arms. He is the only double amputee to finish the Ironman triathlon without a wheelchair.

      1. Rhywun

        I wonder if that’s the guy I saw panhandling on the subway the day I moved to NYC.

  6. Raphael

    That is quite a rollercoaster of a movie, both on and off the screen. I also love Earth Wind and Fire so that’s pretty awesome they did the score.

  7. blackjack

    OK, it says, “from the director of ‘New Jack City’, which came out around 1990 or so. This one’s from ’71.

    1. CPRM

      The first Trailer is the movie made by Melvin Van Peebles, the second trailer at the end is the movie his son made about Melvin making the movie.

      1. blackjack

        Got it. Thnx.

  8. slumbrew

    Big Z with the shot from distance. Bruins looking far better this game.

    1. Rhywun

      WTF I walk into the kitchen for a minute and the Leafs score twice.

      *makes another note that my next apartment WILL have a kitchen/LR combo*

      1. slumbrew

        I was downstairs, throwing laundry in the machine. I clearly need to knock that shit out and just sit here staring at the TV, drinking heavily.

        1. slumbrew

          There we go.

  9. straffinrun

    So what is the line between blaxploitation and blaxpromotion? Can we use the term “blax” in our writing? And, most importantly, “Baad Asssss” sounds ridiculous when read phonetically.

    1. slumbrew

      It sounds awesome if you imagine Isaac Hayes saying it.

    2. CPRM

      “Baad Asssss” sounds ridiculous when read phonetically.

      It only makes sense in the original Jive.

      1. straffinrun

        Any connection between Spaghetti Westerns and Blaxploitation movies as far as the camera work? Those rapid zooms in on people’s faces seem similar to me.

        1. CPRM

          It was just the style that developed, it can be seen in lots of movies of the era, could have been an inspiration or not, I don’t have any info on it. I think, like I said no facts, a lot of these independent films were quickly shot on a low budget and didn’t have prime lenses (where each focal length like 100mm is a different lens) and instead used the cheaper telephoto which has a zoom, so they probably just saw the zoom and liked it.

      2. The first word makes you sound a little sheepish.

    3. commodious spittoon

      The Latinx have a lock on that letter.

      So much so that Firefox doesn’t try to correct “Latinx”.

      1. Raphael

        I really do not like that Latinx is even a thing.

        1. Rhywun

          Maybe another, less ungainly euphemism will come along. Hey, it could happen!

        2. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

          I really do not like that Latinx is even a thing.

          You and me, Raphael….

          /don’t get me started about pronunciation

  10. Spudalicious

    Thanks, CPRM. That was fun.

    And when it comes to blaxplotation, let’s not forget Linc Hayes on ModSquad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZiPijyoDGs

    1. kinnath

      I loved that show when I was young — one black, one white, one blonde

      1. Spudalicious

        That was being “woke”, circa 1968. Lasted five seasons.

      2. The Bearded Hobbit

        Daughter #1 was almost named Cinnamon.

        1. We almost gave our youngest an old Gaelic name pronounced “Kaylee” but we were going to use the original spelling, “Ceilidh,” until we imagined dumbass elementary school teachers trying to pronounce it: “See-lee? Cee-I-Lieed?”

          So we named her Rebecca instead.

          1. Rhywun

            You made the right choice.

          2. Chafed

            Definitely

          3. Ugh. Becky?

            Just kidding.

          4. I have a friend who named both of his daughters very Gaelic names, Saoirse and…the other one escapes me. Public school is gonna be a bitch. They’re going to need laminated name tags with phonetic spellings.

          5. Rhywun

            Hm… “Sersh”? Irish orthography can be a bit tricky.

            But hell yeah – if I were the kid-producing sort, I would only choose classic names. Hell, my cats are named Betty and Maggie.

          6. slumbrew

            Ser-Scha

          7. slumbrew

            Siobahn, perhaps?

            ‘Colleen’ is a favorite – ‘girl’.

          8. Tundra

            My daughter has a very ancient, yet perfectly simple, Welsh name and people still fuck it up.

            Definitely go with a boring classic.

          1. The Bearded Hobbit

            You got it. My mom disapproved because her knickname would be “Sin”.

          2. The Bearded Hobbit

            knickname

            Really? Did I do that?

          3. Spudalicious

            Cheers!

            *raises glass of whiskey*

          4. Gustave Lytton

            I was hoping it was a Mission Impossible reference.

    2. CPRM

      I’m a fan of good spoofs, Black Dynamite is a movie I would make.

      1. Raphael

        Reminds me I should get around to watching that movie and I think Adult Swim had a cartoon show as well?

        1. Bobarian LMD

          With most of the same people voicing it.

          DYNO-MITE, DYNO-MITE!

          1. Raphael

            Really? Okay, that’s pretty friggin cool.

          2. CPRM

            Michael Jai White is also making a sort of sequel.

          3. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            Unless Michael Jai has something in his background/life that shows him to be a shit-heel (see: Cosby, Bill), he is one of my favorite Hollywood people.

          4. CPRM

            He did Spawn, and has been a recurring villain on Arrow as well, brother is just an Uncle Tom Oreo!

          5. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            Yeah, Spawn is where I know him from first (not best, obviously).

            a recurring villain on Arrow

            I….understand those individual words, but……..

          6. CPRM

            Arrow is the TV show based on The Green Arrow DC comic book, he’s a recurring villain on there.

          7. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            Yeah, I know (I even have a paperback novel of show/episode from a subscription box).

            It’s just…DCTV. And, me messin’ witcha.

      2. Chafed

        Let’s not overlook Undercover Brother. I loved that movie.

  11. Winston

    Can’t forget Mario and Melvin’s brilliant performances in that masterpiece beloved by OMWC titled Jaws: the Revenge

  12. Bobarian LMD

    I saw the original years ago. Weird.

    I seem to remember accusations between Melvin and an actress about who gave who the clap, because at least one sex scene was real.

  13. Winston

    So is this film woke for its time and since it is old therefore that is okay?

  14. Tres Cool

    Yo- ya’all niggas need some Black Dynamite.

    1. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

      Oh, I already have it, BROTHER!

  15. Winston

    https://spectator.us/embrace-white-guilt/

    At the tender age of 12, I watched a film which put it all into perspective: Ratatouille. I remember the impact this movie had on me as if it were yesterday. My mind was awash with confusion. How could a rat control a cook?! Even if it were possible, how is it doing it? It’s simply holding his hair! What method of ungodly witchcraft is being employed here?! Then it hit me. This film was an allegory of slavery. There was no actual rat, it was brilliantly symbolizing white man’s need to dominate. The fact that the ‘rat’ is hidden underneath the chef’s hat cleverly illustrates how white society in America turned a blind eye to the way black people were being exploited. The ‘rat’ is a metaphor for the detached way in which white power was used to oppress African slaves, the ‘food’ it cooks represents the benefits white Americans have enjoyed as a result of this inhumane hierarchical structure. I was gobsmacked that a children’s movie could encapsulate a complex multi-layered issue in such a devastatingly simplistic way.

    ….
    I remember that first wave of White Guilt washing over me. It was like an epiphany. I bathed in it, swam in it. Immersed my disgustingly pallid complexion in it until I was spent. Looking back, I’m not ashamed to admit it was an almost erotic experience. From then on, I was transformed. I found myself telling people to ‘educate themselves’, and would begin conversations with ‘FYI’, or ‘Dear fellow white people…’. I was using the word ‘problematic’ at least three hundred times a day, and it was wonderfully cathartic. The first time I called Father a ‘bitch-ass white cracker skank’ was an incredibly liberating experience.

    ….
    Many of my student chums are also aware of their White Guilt, and we regularly meet up to admonish those who do not acknowledge theirs. Only last weekend we berated a white homeless man sitting outside Taco Bell for his appalling lack of self-awareness regarding not only his own privilege, but his flagrant disrespect towards cultural appropriation. Eventually he became so violently agitated the police came along and forcibly removed him and his filthy blanket from the pavement. Of course, if he were black the police would have shot him dead, so I hope he realized just how privileged he is.


    We need to do more, and I am determined that when I inherit my family’s estate, I will make damn sure I only employ people of color to maintain it.

    1. slumbrew

      Meh, too crude. He’s got nothing on Titania McGrath

    2. Spudalicious

      OFFS. Guilt riddled ultra=rich white guy is going to hire black and brown people to take care of his estate.

      1. CPRM

        Batteries in the sarc meter need to be changed daily now adays.

        1. Rhywun

          I made it halfway through before I figured it out. It really is hard to tell these days.

        2. Spudalicious

          Ahh, found it. My guess is the writers at The Onion just stare at the walls and drink all day. There’s no way they can compete when the line between sarcasm and reality disappears.

          1. Raphael

            For real, in the age of the clown world, I’m still surprised they still have a business.

          2. Winston

            Haven’t they been bought by a Clinton supporter?

          3. Raphael

            I don’t know to be honest, I haven’t really checked out the Onion in quite a while.

      2. Pan Zagloba

        We need to do more, and I am determined that when I inherit my family’s estate, I will make damn sure I only employ people of color to maintain it.

        I mean..it’s Winston, but stuff in italics is usually safe.

    3. Raphael

      I almost got baited until I saw the other posters here, I’m just really tired of that whole racist “white guilt/privilege” trope.

      1. Winston

        I’m just really tired of that whole racist “white guilt/privilege” trope.

        Better stock up on caffeine…

        1. Raphael

          It’s not easy being green gaijin. It’s actually rather hard if I’m being honest.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            That’s what she said.

          2. Raphael

            Ka-chow, my tomodachi.

  16. Tundra

    I like Superfly.

    Fight me.

    1. CPRM

      It’s no Super Fuzz.

      1. Tundra

        I think I might have actually seen that…

        1. Rhywun

          I have seen that. In Austria, when I was a teenager.

          It’s some sort of spaghetti-cop thing, right?

          1. Bobarian LMD

            Terence Hill – From “My Name is Nobody” and all the ‘Trinity’ movies.

            All poorly dubbed Italian westerns except “My Name is Nobody” which had Henry Fonda in it.

          2. CPRM

            *Nerd fact: Italian movies (western or otherwise) were dubbed because they had all the actors say their lines in whatever language they spoke, and only used the voice track recorded on the day as guide. Because of this they didn’t quiet the set, Eastwood has said he looks so focused in the ‘Dollars’ trilogy because he had to focus to say his lines, because the crew wasn’t silent on set and were even playing frisbee off camera.

      2. Timeloose

        Super, super, super,super,super!!

      3. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

        Dayum, C–you’re on fire with the references!

        I watched the heck outta Superfuzz back in early 80’s…those 2 years when we actually had cable.

    2. The Bearded Hobbit

      I have the soundtrack on vinyl.

      Beat that.

      1. Tundra

        I can’t.

        Good man! I tip my pimp hat to you!

        1. Spudalicious

          Huggy Bear approves.

    3. CPRM

      and also, Spanish Fly. (which is now totes a rape drug, and not as the joke portrays it some tall tail)

  17. Tulip

    Frankenswine. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/04/17/714289322/scientists-restore-some-function-in-the-brains-of-dead-pigs

    Odds on how long it’ll be before Ted Williams runs for president as a democrat?

  18. Winston

    Whose version of LOTR is better? Bakshi’s or Jackson’s? Or would we trade Zardoz for John Boorman’s version?

    1. Tundra

      They both suck.

      Watch a blaxploitation classic instead.

      1. Spudalicious

        GTFO. Jackson’s directors cut is about as close as you can get without making it 20 hours long.

        1. Tundra

          And yet…

          …. it sucks.

          Go figure.

          1. Spudalicious

            So you don’t like Jaws, either?

          2. Tundra

            No. I love that.

          3. Spudalicious

            And now I can have confused.

          4. Tundra

            You, then?

            Look, it’s simple. Sometimes books should just stay books.

          5. Spudalicious

            I will admit the original film version left me pretty annoyed. I thought the directors cut did a decent job, given the constraints.

            And his ass fucking of The Hobbit kept me from watching a single second once I saw part of the trailer.

        2. Pan Zagloba

          I disagree. Almost every character (hobbits excluded) is worse in the movie than in the book. What he did with Denethor was enough to ensure I’d never love that movie, and after seeing the same actor on Fringe, I was baffled that he wouldn’t let him just play the character as in the book, a man whose every action and pronouncement seems correct and intelligent, until he breaks down in the end and you go “oh shit, that’s what was happening”. And it wouldn’t have taken additional time.

          1. Winston

            I can’t get over the lack of Tom Bombadil.

          2. Spudalicious

            The lack of Bombadil bothered me, but when you look at flow, and are trying to keep the series from being 20 hours long, Tom Bombadil is kind of an offshoot to the story.

          3. Pan Zagloba

            Ah, “if it’s not 100% it doesn’t matter what it is, it is not 100% pure” autism again?

            There’s a difference between cutting stuff out because it doesn’t fit the story and changing the story because you know better than goddamn JRR Tolkien. One is reasonable concession to the medium. The other is an act of unwarranted hubris, and how we end up with Gimli jokes.

            If you can, make a case that Denethor in the movie is a better character, or more relatable, or more complex or more in tune with the theme of corruptibility of men, good intentions still leading to bad outcomes, pride blinding us to the truth and leading to our fall, or ANY OTHER FUCKING THEME IN THE BOOK WHICH ISN’T “Fuck this Tolkien guy, I want him to scream and then get hit with a stick, that will get them laughing!”

          4. Winston

            It was a joke, man. Jackson clearly has some questionable skills as an adaptor: The Hobbit movies, a King Kong remake twice as long as the original, etc.

    2. Pan Zagloba

      As someone who watched both several times (give me a break, I was a kid and had a tape, what was I supposed to do?), it’s a harder question than I’d like.

      Because fuck, the Bakshi version was rough but it was…surprisingly accurate to the heart of the story. Whereas Jackson….God help me, it’s like he looked at the book, understood the tone and content and then said “yeah, fuck this, everything has to be more coarse, simple-minded and filtered through ironic detachment.”

      Boorman’s Zardoz is a treasure and he’d have fumbled Lord of the Rings anyway.

      1. Heroic Mulatto

        I’d agree with that assessment.

    3. l0b0t

      Tundra for the win! I was so very disappointed in the Jackson movies – removing key elements but adding a superfluous love story and a stupid car wolf chase. American movies. Always the car chase, uh?

      1. Winston

        Isn’t Jackson a Kiwi though?

        “American movies. Always the car chase, uh?“

        So I assume you only watch 4-hour long subtitled foreign art movies?

      2. Pan Zagloba

        God, I forgot the wolf dive.

        Is superfluous love story Arwen/Aragorn one? At the risk of triggering Winston’s autism, chalk that up to wokeness. We can’t not have a female character in first film, so let’s make Arwen a ninja warrior girl. Then waste time on that instead of focusing on the actual female character (Eowyn), her unrequited crush on Aragorn (who understands it and in one sentence gets the sense of his love for Arwen better than anything Jackson did in three movies), and then a surprising late romance with Faramir, which made me go “awwww” when I read it the first time. And when a love scene gets a twelve year old boy to go “awwww” you don’t fuck around it.

        1. CPRM

          Adaptations are always needlessly superfluous, this is something that should end, the book/comic/age old tale was successful for a reason, no need to fuck with the formula Michael Bay idiot.

          1. Winston

            So there goes about 90% of the entertainment industry…

          2. Winston

            Also the Transformers are based on a toy line based on a two Japanese toy lines.

          3. CPRM

            Doesn’t mean the story for the cartoon wasn’t good.

          4. Winston

            Wait so you were serious about stop adapting stuff?

          5. CPRM

            I’d say stop shittily adapting stuff.

          6. Winston

            Also plenty of movies are adapted from things that fallen helplessly into obscurity. The movie helps keep the original alive.

          7. Pan Zagloba

            This is why I hope we never get Robotech live action adaptation, even if I love the Macross arc to pieces (in both Japanese and English adaptation).

          8. Raphael

            Do you remember love, Pan?

        2. Rhywun

          I haven’t read the books, so… I enjoyed the movies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        3. Raphael

          I loved Eowyn and Faramir, both individually and when they hooked up(?) near the end.

    4. CPRM

      Look at you nerds discussing nerd books and nerd movies. Nerds! Now can we focus on something serious, like how much of Star Wars was based on Kirosawa, how much on Velarian and how much on The Princess of Mars, not to even mention Joseph Campbell…

      1. Winston

        How could forget the Flash Gordon influences! /nerdsense triggered

        1. CPRM

          Flash Gordon was more an influence on style than story.

      2. Pan Zagloba

        So, George is now rich and bored. Any way we can convince him to take a crack at The Princess of Mars, done properly?

        I mean, I enjoyed John Carter and everything, but fuck it fumbled the core of the story. And this is not Tolkien situation where I was lifelong fan, I read the book two weeks before the movie came out (and went “Fuck every asshole snide comment I ever read about this, this is awesome”).

        1. CPRM

          Lucas is attached to Episode 9 as a consultant, Disney hasn’t learned a damn thing. Yeah, let’s go back to the guy who put robot football in as a thing because apparently everyone getting paid to make movies is too dumb to figure out how not to make shit.

          On John Carter (the movie) if they cut out the framing device of the story being told through the journal, I don’t think it would have flopped. As for the books, never red them. Never read Lord of the Rings. I’m a movie guy. I research what the movies are based on, but unless it’s my fatted calf being gored I’m not too invested. I didn’t care for Jackson’s Lord of the Rings though. Even though I’ve heard and read how much they cut from the books they all felt too bloated, maybe by what was added instead of what was removed.

          1. Winston

            robot football in as a thing

            What movie was that?

            Anyway a big problem with John Carter was how in the 80 years(!) it took to finally make a movie was that everyone ripped him off so he looked like a rip-off instead of the other way around.

          2. CPRM

            Robot Football was in Attack of the Clones. Watch the TVs in the bar.

          3. Pan Zagloba

            Times like this is why I’m glad I’m not a visually-oriented thinker. I missed it in the theatre while I was cringing and hoping this won’t shit the bed.

            Which it did – until The Last Jedi that was my least favorite Star Wars movie by far (and second least favorite Star Wars thing, because Kevin J Anderson still stands as undisputed master with Darksaber), beneath even The Phantom Menace.

          4. Winston

            Ah yes Sleazebaggano selling “death sticks”.

          5. CPRM

            @Pan, I see the prequels as better, only because if you cut out the bloat there is a movie worth watching there if you can imagine the scenes shot better. Hence my edits, but the Disney movies have been bloated yet that bloat hinges the story, NOTHING LEFT TO CUT. I thought with how Disney seamlessly integrated the MCU they’d do well, but it’s shit. Utter shit.

          6. Winston

            I think the issue with George Lucas is that he really likes his pulpy space fantasy and the force. Also the first six movies were his vision, whatever it happened to be at the time that is.

            Conversely the sequels are the visions of two different men who aren’t really into pulpy space fantasy and the force and both men have very different visions to boot. And the first guy is now going to have to deal with the second guy’s vision…

          7. Pan Zagloba

            Did I mention recently that your edits were amazing and yes, they revealed a core of something good in there.

            I thought TFA was stupid but had a potential for an interesting followup (“OK, everyone lost their main force, so we will have to focus on smaller, more personal stories with these characters as they chase whatever Luke is going to reveal”) and then…agh. RLM is right, that thing is a comedy, and a badly done at that. Like Spaceballs but instead of bemused affection, it’s seething contempt driving it.

          8. CPRM

            Pan, you may go on about how you like my edits. Not many people take the time to watch them, and it flatters me you did. But, I’m super proud, my six year old niece who loves Star Wars has never seen anything BUT my edits. She’ll be shocked one day when she finds out Jar-Jar wasn’t just a side character.

          9. CPRM

            But Pan, after I read Richard’s article about living off the grid and only having a certain allotment of power per day, the fact that he watched all my edits AND spent power for the computer to comment, that made me feel really fuckin special.

          10. Pan Zagloba

            I’m sure Lucas is being paid for the name and kept away from creative team. Which is a shame, because he seemed to have been a mostly positive influence on Clone Wars, which I adore. I mean, “name a villain Cad Bane” is a pretty Lucas move, but so is “and base him on Lee Van Cleef in spaghetti westerns” and it paid off).

            Interesting that you think framing device was the only problem. So you think they should have started with him in crappy western town, and ended on cliffhanger of him looking for a way back? Cut the opening narration explaining Mars too?

            My problem is that they completely flipped Carter’s character. In the book, he is a guy who knows war and fighting, and is good at it (and has been doing it for a long time – he opens by telling us he’s centuries old and knows to be immortal), but has never found a place anywhere he lived (although he does have a soft spot for Virginia and the Carter family his paths crossed many times), until he finds himself on Mars. Which… come on, that would be more original than umpteenth iteration of “I was idealist, but then thing happened, now I don’t believe in cause, until I do because this is character growth”.

          11. Chafed

            I read the first 6 or so books in the series. I didn’t see the movie. I have no idea why you couldn’t do a straightforward adaptation.

          12. CPRM

            I’m sure Lucas is being paid for the name and kept away from creative team.

            No, after Rian Johnson they actually seemed to have gone back to him for advice, but we know that well is tapped dry ‘Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo’

            As far as John Carter (The movie) yes, I think the framing device is the problem, it connects the viewer to a story we don’t know anything about or care about and doesn’t get paid off. I’m not saying it couldn’t be done better, but by the end of that introduction I was lost (like I said, I’ve never actually read the books) and that isn’t even the confusing part of the movie to come. If I weren’t looking at it already with a critical eye (I watched on home release) I probably would have checked out after the that. After that the only other real problem with the film is trying to force too much cannon and the sin that way too many movies make, too many locations.

          13. Pan Zagloba

            Huh, they’re really pandering, then?

            I mean I don’t get it, whatever the Star Wars is today is not for me, so I’m not seeing it, but TLJ made a bank, maybe they should go after that audience and not try to bring back people they spent eighteen months alienating.

        2. Winston

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_of_Mars

          His character and courtesy exemplify the ideals of the antebellum South. A Virginian, he served as a captain in the American Civil War on the side of the Confederacy.

          There goes that next John Carter movie…

      3. Heroic Mulatto

        Kurosawa’s chanbara films are, in themselves, derivative of Chinese wuxia cinema. In a way, Star Wars is more faithful to the wuxia genre in that it gives back exaggerated qinggong powers to the protagonists.

        1. Winston

          Also John Ford. And Star Wars was also influcened by John Ford including a John Wayne movie! :notwoke

          Speaking of John Wayne that alien that tips off the Stormtroopers about the Millennium Falcon apparently uses an altered voice clip of John Wayne.

  19. CPRM

    One blaxplotation film I watched was only made so after the fact, and it was glorious. The original Inglorious Bastards was recut to focus on Fred Williamson’s character and re-released as GI Bro. The poor quality of the original combined with a bad edit that changed the original story made for something marvelous.

    1. Winston

      So when will Tarantino make the ironic hip and cool Weinsteinless pseudo-Remake?

  20. Van Peebles also performed unstimulated sex and successfully filed workman’s comp for an STD he caught during the filming.

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      I think he was actually very stimulated.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          A little too thicc, to be honest.

          1. Where’s Tre when you need him?

          2. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            I’m here, and I’ll take her.

          3. Tundra

            A little?

            *purges memory*

          4. Tundra

            Yes, as HM says – a woman needs a waist.

            Thanks, Q.

          5. Spudalicious

            Nope and nope.

          6. Spudalicious

            Doesn’t look any different than the last two.

          7. Pan Zagloba

            Meh, cute face covers a lot of sins, as far as I’m concerned. Red hair don’t hurt either.

          8. Heroic Mulatto

            A woman needs a waist.

          9. Raphael

            Amen, brother.

          10. Chafed

            Yes. Yes she/they/ze does/do/?.

          11. Bobarian LMD

            Well, that first one has a whole lot of waist.

  21. Timeloose

    The Last Dragon…. Blacksploitation or cultural appropriation????

    Who’s the Master?

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      Homage – considering that the film that basically solidified the martial arts movie craze in the U.S., Enter the Dragon was intentionally a blaxplotation/kung-fu hybrid with Jim Kelly.

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Most of the theaters that played Blaxploitation also played a lot of the kung-fu movies.

        Same audiences, it seemed.

    2. slumbrew

      That’s a deeply weird movie.

  22. Chafed

    Interesting article CPRM. Good job.

    1. Tundra

      +1

      I got distracted, but great article brother.

    2. Pan Zagloba

      Err… yes, I got stuck in a discussion of nerd shit because I needed that after shit day at work, but excellent article indeed.

      Badass sounds super-interesting, too. Not being streamed where I can get it, but I’ll look around and see if there’s an easy, legal way to rent it.

    1. slumbrew

      I find the total lack of muscle tone off-putting.

      The dungeon aesthetic of the place doesn’t help.

      1. Chafed

        Yup. This looks like the behindcthe scenes foitage from a human trafgicking website.

    2. Raphael

      I am not in a good environment to check out the link, but I must say you have me greatly intrigued with the magical OL.

    1. Rhywun

      The man told the church guards that he was just cutting through the church because his car, which was parked outside, ran out of gas.

      Seems legit. I mean, the nearest gas station might be five blocks in the opposite direction but hey.

      1. Chafed

        This is deep into Reno 911 territory.

    1. slumbrew

      That’s not real socialism!!111!

      1. CPRM

        I bet Obama would even say ‘He didn’t build that!’

    2. Raphael

      Fuggin state capitalists ruining our glorious workers’ paradise once again.

  23. CPRM

    For those of you not on earlier, I wrote a brainfart of a joke tweet based on the sycophants on Twitter, and not only did the ‘celebrity’ reply, but the sycophants keep liking and retweeting.

    1. slumbrew

      I clicked though to Lillard’s twitter account – he’s an almost-50-year-old man who writes like a stoned 13-year-old.

      1. CPRM

        So, he’s highly educated by today’s standards.

    2. Bobarian LMD

      Winning?

      1. CPRM

        Drinking.

    3. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

      Damn fine tweet/response, there.

    4. Rhywun

      It’s hard to read anything into his two-word reply. Maybe he’s in on the joke?

      1. slumbrew

        I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

      2. CPRM

        That would make it better, my laughter is more at the ‘likes’ GAH, had to explain this twice today!

    1. slumbrew

      “the two boys were released from the hospital after undergoing treatment for injuries sustained by repeated high-fives”

    2. Chafed

      She watched way too much Pornhub.

  24. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

    Well, looks like CPRM is having himself a winning day, here.

    Kudos!

    1. CPRM

      I only win in the stories I tell, and usually not even then, because failure is funny.

  25. CPRM

    I think I stupified everyone by writing this.

    1. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

      1) Good choice

      2) Not stupified. Just impressed with the write-up, and subsequent chat points.

      1. CPRM

        With the stupified reference I was going more with this.

        1. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

          Man, you just won’t take the compliment, will ya?

          1. CPRM

            Compliments are for housewives and racehorses! (Not sure what that means, but that sounds like great quote)

  26. straffinrun

    Crumbling inFRAHstructure.

    1. CPRM

      Grab a beer old friend, and regale us with your Asiatic adventures!

      1. straffinrun

        Nothing happening around here. Beer sounds like a good idea ?. 1:30 pm though?

        1. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

          Don’t you mean “Beer:30”?

          1. straffinrun

            The translation I’m working on is boring AF, so why not add some bar slang to it, eh?

          2. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            Well, either that, or, we could just talk some softball.

          3. CPRM

            Should have thrown the Fastball.

        2. CPRM

          Damn you bringing me down.

          1. straffinrun

            Alright, here’s a story from my single days. My friend and I picked up these two girls at the blues bar one night. University girls. They had come to the bar by bicycle, so I told my girl I’d give her a ride home on her bike. She sits on the seat and I’m standing as we ride double. Her feet were just dangling and her entire body weight was being supported by her crotch.
            I’m eager to get to her house and go flying down this cobblestone hill. Half way down she starts groaning in pain. Talk about a meat tenderizer. Of course, I didn’t end up getting any that night.

          2. CPRM

            Um, you read me wrong bro, where’s my rape whistle?! I can’t find it!!

          3. straffinrun

            *Shrugs* We still laugh about that.

          4. Raphael

            Thanks for the story, Straff. That got a couple chuckles from me over here.

          5. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

            #TenderVittles

            I got nuthin’, really.

  27. CPRM

    Something clever, synthetic.

  28. CPRM

    Alt right, What a Day. G’night.

  29. Chafed

    If we can judge someone by the company they keep….

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/17/tlaib-catron-hezbollah-pflp/

    1. Sir Digby’s The Golden Age of Ballooning

      Why are prog gashes so….unsightly?

  30. Sean

    [Redacted] [Redacted] [Redacted] [Redacted].

    Talking points activated!

  31. Sean

    80s flashback – Ben Elton interviews Rik Mayall

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHOmSZwLZE