Economics Corner with Paul Krugman and Winston’s Mom

Hey fellas?  How ya been?

Here’s tonight’s drivel from your favorite Nobel Laureate!

A peculiar chapter in the 2020 presidential race ended Monday, when Bernie Sanders, after months of foot-dragging, finally released his tax returns. The odd thing was that the returns appear to be perfectly innocuous. So what was all that about?

The answer seems to be that Sanders got a lot of book royalties after the 2016 campaign, and was afraid that revealing this fact would produce headlines mocking him for now being part of the 1 Percent. Indeed, some journalists did try to make his income an issue.

This line of attack is, however, deeply stupid. Politicians who support policies that would raise their own taxes and strengthen a social safety net they’re unlikely to need aren’t being hypocrites; if anything, they’re demonstrating their civic virtue.

This criticism is perfectly valid as Bernie’s entire message is the wealthiest among us should pay for every tom, dick, and harry snatch of a government program that he never seems to have an issue supporting.  If he himself makes more money than nearly all Americans and programs where he can pay more in taxes than is required by law, yet fails to do so demonstrates hypocrisy on his part. He can’t even say he donated to charity, as he donated a pittance compared to what he made.  Bernie is no saint and neither are you for defending him.

But failure to understand what hypocrisy means isn’t the only way our discourse about politics and inequality goes off the rails. The catchphrase “the 1 Percent” has also become a problem, obscuring the nature of class in 21st-century America.

Focusing on the top percentile of the income distribution was originally intended as a corrective to the comforting but false notion that growing inequality was mainly about a rising payoff to education. The reality is that over the past few decades the typical college graduate has seen only modest gains, with the big money going to a small group at the top. Talking about “the 1 Percent” was shorthand for acknowledging this reality, and tying that reality to readily available data.

But putting Bernie Sanders and the Koch brothers in the same class is obviously getting things wrong in a different way.

This is absolutely correct.  The Kock brothers donate generously to charity, as well as have a number of foundations in their name, including educations grants, research, k-12…. How much did Bernie donate again?

True, there’s a huge difference between being affluent enough that you don’t have to worry much about money and living with the financial insecurity that afflicts many Americans who consider themselves middle class. According to the Federal Reserve, 40 percent of U.S. adults don’t have enough cash to meet a $400 emergency expense; a much larger number of Americans would be severely strained by the kinds of costs that routinely arise when, say, illness strikes, even for those who have health insurance.

$400?  Sounds like a personal problem.  Even I have $2000 in cash hidden in my ass.

So if you have an income high enough that you can easily afford health care and good housing, have plenty of liquid assets and find it hard to imagine ever needing food stamps, you’re part of a privileged minority.

But there’s also a big difference between being affluent, even very affluent, and having the kind of wealth that puts you in a completely separate social universe. It’s a difference summed up three decades ago in the movie “Wall Street,” when Gordon Gekko mocks the limited ambitions of someone who just wants to be “a $400,000-a-year working Wall Street stiff flying first class and being comfortable.”

Even now, most Americans don’t seem to realize just how rich today’s rich are. At a recent event, my CUNY colleague Janet Gornick was greeted with disbelief when she mentioned in passing that the top 25 hedge fund managers make an average of $850 million a year. But her number was correct.

One survey found that Americans, on average, think that corporate C.E.O.s are paid about 30 times as much as ordinary workers, which hasn’t been true since the 1970s. These days the ratio is more like 300 to 1.

Why should we care about the very rich? It’s not about envy, it’s about oligarchy.

With great wealth comes both great power and a separation from the concerns of ordinary citizens. What the very rich want, they often get; but what they want is often harmful to the rest of the nation. There are some public-spirited billionaires, some very wealthy liberals. But they aren’t typical of their class.

Its not about millionaires like Bernie.  No, the problem is billionaires.  You’re starting to sound like this guy.

The very rich don’t need Medicare or Social Security; they don’t use public education or public transit; they may not even be that reliant on public roads (there are helicopters, after all). Meanwhile, they don’t want to pay taxes.

…but…but…muh ROOOOOOAAAAAAAADZ.  Billionaires never use ROOOOOOOOAAAAAAADZ.

Sure enough, and contrary to popular belief, billionaires mostly (although often stealthily) wield their political power on behalf of tax cuts at the top, a weaker safety net and deregulation. And financial support from the very rich is the most important force sustaining the extremist right-wing politics that now dominates the Republican Party.

Well shit.  Could it be prominent politicians in the Democrat Party, like Bernie, having anything to do with that?

That’s why it’s important to understand who we mean when we talk about the very rich. It’s not doctors, lawyers or, yes, authors, some of whom make it into “the 1 Percent.” It’s a much more rarefied social stratum.

None of this means that the merely affluent should be exempt from the burden of creating a more decent society. The Affordable Care Act was paid for in part by taxes on incomes in excess of $200,000, so 400K-a-year working stiffs did pay some of the cost. That’s O.K.: They (we) can afford it. And whining that $200,000 a year isn’t really rich is unseemly.

But we should be able to understand both that the affluent in general should be paying more in taxes, and that the very rich are different from you and me ­— and Bernie Sanders. The class divide that lies at the root of our political polarization is much starker, much more extreme than most people seem to realize.

Last I checked, with a single exception, none of the billionaires you are lambasting are running for president.  The number of billionaires is also such a tiny number in comparison to the general population that simply taking their money will never pay for his programs.  No, he will have to tax people like him, like you and nearly everyone else to pay for turning the entire country into a marauding gang of whores.  When given the chance to pay more than his “fair share” of taxes, or even to charities that do a lot of good helping the poor and downtrodden, he chose not to.  This is what makes him a hypocrite, because he knows better than everyone else who actually produced anything of value to society and was rewarded with wealth beyond what any one person might require, until it cums to his own money.

Which is fine for you to defend him, you advocate the same bullshit he does, and as it turns out, you also donated absolutely nothing to charity, either.

Comments

464 responses to “Economics Corner with Paul Krugman and Winston’s Mom”

  1. Tres Cool

    Yo! Winston’s Mom! I got about $25 in change in the ashtray of my truck….

    1. Sean

      No theme musc?

      1. Sean

        Music

        1. Tres Cool

          HIT THAT ISH!!

          Lyrics PG-13, in case the kids are around

          1. Spudalicious

            That was PG-13?

          2. Lackadaisical

            His R-rated music is just women cumming on tape.

          3. Spudalicious

            Go on…

          4. So he’s a big Zappa fan then?

          5. Lackadaisical

            I almost linked to 2LiveCrew, but lets do this instead for Hyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4hzVpYAP-U

          6. MikeS

            +1 $40 bill

          7. I was thinking of this but that works.

        2. Nephilium

          Here, have some. If you can’t sing along with the main parts, there’s something wrong with you.

          1. Spudalicious

            Hey, something actually worth listening to.

            Fun fact. I under sugared my last two batches of beer. I used three teaspoons of honey instead of three tablespoons. Gonna take a bit longer before they’re ready, I’m thinking.

            Glad I figured that out before I bottled my mead.

          2. Nephilium

            If you didn’t put enough sugar in for the carbing, they won’t get more carbonated unless you add more sugar. You may have to deal with still beer if you can.

            And the lead singer from the Atomic Fireballs was in a ska band called Gangster Fun before who recorded this song which seems to fit in with the group here. Do any bands release songs like this anymore?

            Blew the smoke away from the barrel, walked away with my cash and my life

          3. Nephilium

            Not Adahn: I was expecting this on the link. If you haven’t listened to the song I linked, I recommend it.

          4. Tres Cool

            Too much like Nathan Rateliff. Or maybe vice versa.

  2. Rhywun

    There are some public-spirited billionaires, some very wealthy liberals.

    I’m beginning to think Mr. Krugman is trolling us.

  3. Rhywun

    the extremist right-wing politics that now dominates the Republican Party

    Well, that IS how they won extremist right-wing Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. I mean, duh.

    1. Crosses burning on every corner.

    2. Winston

      “extremist” means 9.9% spending increase instead of 10%.

  4. The Late P Brooks

    Why should we care about the very rich? It’s not about envy, it’s about oligarchy.

    Keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

  5. Spudalicious

    I read through that and everything Krugman wrote translated in my brain as “derp, derpity, derpity, derp. Doouble derp.”.

    And, a Greyhound made with apple vodka is sublime. That is all.

    1. Nephilium

      I’m trying to teach the girlfriend the theory behind tiki drinks now. I have to break in these new mugs somehow.

      1. Spudalicious

        Put her in a lounge chair next to a pool while she’s drinking one, and that should be all the explaining that is necessary.

  6. DEG

    So if you have an income high enough that you can easily afford health care and good housing, have plenty of liquid assets and find it hard to imagine ever needing food stamps, you’re part of a privileged minority.

    I have a decent income now and I don’t have problems paying my expenses. I can even afford nice extras like guns, booze, and vacations.

    Things were much different when I was growing up. I remember those days.

    Krugabe, you and your ilk can go fuck yourselves.

    1. Spudalicious

      Yep. I remember the days when I paid my rent in cash two weeks at a time, and ate generic macaroni and cheese made with water, because I couldn’t afford milk.

      1. Fourscore

        As a kid we ate a lot of potato soup. Fridays were always a treat, my mother worked late, my dad made French toast from all the dry bread or heels and we could dump Karo syrup on it, the light colored stuff.

    2. “Privileged” – do tell, Krugabe. Am I “privileged” at law? – no, everyone else seems to be a “protected class” – privileged in fact. Am I “privileged” socially? – no, I am the villain of every TV, movie and social media piece (including yours, you putz). Economically? – The Office of Diversity and Inclusion ain’t looking for me.
      As long as you just let everyone get by on their own merits, and don’t bar anyone from gubmint services or facilities, what is the problem, you dork?

      1. “what is the problem”

        Insufficient opportunities for graft.

        1. DEG

          Don’t forget insufficient chances for control of others.

          1. DING, DING, DING! WINNER!

          2. DEG

            If the prize is a visit from STEVE SMITH, I’ll have to rethink my answer.

          3. ALL VISIT FROM STEVE SMITH IS PRIZED!

      2. The Swiss are the villains in TV and movies? :-p

        1. Spudalicious

          At least they’re not the Dutch. Nobody likes the Dutch.

          1. The Bearded Hobbit

            Their doors only open half-way. Half-way! What are they trying to hide?

          2. Old Man With Candy

            Fucking cheese-breathed wooden shoe-wearing tulip sniffers, every goddamn one of them.

          3. *shakes fist at Delicious Potato*

            MY FAMILY IS MADE UP OF THE FINEST DUTCH DIRT SCRATCHING PEASANTS!!!!

      3. what is the problem, you dork?

        You can’t do the whole Marxist oppression narrative thing if you don’t have an oppressor.

    3. MikeS

      This sentence caught my eye, too. What a load of shit. I would think practically anyone who is “middle class” would fit in that category…with maybe the exception of “have plenty of liquid assets“.

    4. So if you have an income high enough that you can easily afford health care and good housing, have plenty of liquid assets and find it hard to imagine ever needing food stamps, you’re part of a privileged minority.

      25 months ago we were down to our last $200, all the credit cards were maxed out, and the only option left if my first paycheck didn’t come through that Friday was a 401k loan on the pittance I had saved during my internship. I hadn’t received a paycheck in over 6 months, and my wife was making $8.50/hour. The fact that we have scraped and scrimped to get to the point where we now own 2 cars outright, have paid over $100k in debt off, and have a small but growing emergency fund has nothing to do with privilege and everything to do with hard work, good decisions that overcome prior bad decisions, and the discipline to say no repeatedly.

      Fuck you Paul Krugman, for insinuating that we have it easy. Fuck you. You werent the one biting his fingernails trying to figure out how to pay for the hospital bills for a newborn. You weren’t the one constantly saying no to social function after social function. You weren’t the one eating ramen 3 days a week. Shove your entitled ideology so far up your ass that you have to digest it again.

      1. Lackadaisical

        You weren’t the one eating ramen 3 days a week.

        Luxury!

        *tucks in to his pork loin…*

      2. westernsloper

        Nice work! You are an inspiration trash. And ya, fuck Krugman.

      3. Tulip

        You should write an article about how you did it.

        1. I’ve thought about doing so, but we’re still a few years out from repairing all the damage of being a stupid young couple diving into homeownership and law school in the same year we got married.

          I haven’t really found a compelling way to write the story yet. I’m hoping that paying off the rest of the student loans provides some inspiration. On the other hand, I am working on a more generic article about prosperity based on this article.

          1. Lackadaisical

            stupid young couple diving into homeownership and law school in the same year we got married.

            Uh… yeah. Heh, glad you learned your lesson and lived to tell the tale.

            One guy I knew in grad school sold plasma on the side to feed his family.

          2. Tulip

            Yeah, I’ve been there, when dropping out of college and working two jobs. And later, going to grad school. I still, when I need something, head to thrift shops first. (I broke the carafe from my coffee pot, I bought a replacement at a thrift shop – actually the same model/brand coffee maker – for $4 and threw the rest away. Amazon wanted $17 for a replacement carafe.)

        2. DenverJ

          It would just be flagged as spam.

      4. Amen to that. We’d just gotten on the sunny side of that kind of situation when my wife was laid off, which wiped out half our household income. She’s slowly but surely getting back to where she was through contract work, but let’s just say the few days before payday are always a good opportunity to clear out the pantry. It’s a valley, in my opinion, and something that’s not particularly alien to either of us, from childhood on. We’ve got health care and good housing because we work and hustle. We find it hard to imagine needing food stamps because the last time it got really bad I took a second job.

  7. Yusef drives a Kia

    So, if you are wealthy and don’t give to charity your evil? Why does it matter? It’s your money, get a fucking job charity….

    1. Nephilium

      It depends on your politics, if you’ve got a D after your name, charity isn’t needed. If you’ve got an R, then charity just shows that you’re guilty, and donate to assuage your guilt.

      1. Urthona

        The most generous society in all of human history that gives the most — by far — to public and private charity?

        I’ll give you a hint. It starts with United States and ends with of America.

    2. Urthona

      That’s basically Democrats though. Conservatives give a great deal more to charity.

  8. The Late P Brooks

    Even I have $2000 in cash hidden in my ass.

    That sounds… uncomfortable.

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      I’ll pull it out if I can keep it, that’s charity!

    2. Spudalicious

      Especially if it’s small denomination bills.

    3. OneOut

      You shouldn’t judge people and their kinks.

    4. Not Adahn

      *runs to file patent on novel new type of hollow butt plug*

      1. Spudalicious

        Too late. I read “Papillon” as a kid and everybody in prison had one.

        1. Prison? But I…. nevermind. *runs from room*

  9. Yusef drives a Kia

    Excellent jazz show right now at kspc.org worth an open tab…

  10. Sean

    So what do the musical/antique minded Glibs think of this:

    https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/7YE6zPiFQoOjjsobEggd2w.FjMy0vempV0Ds3h_CX1Uo8

    Does it have much value?

    This paper was in the box – https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/HUNWZdA6SMSf4pG408dfyw.D3PN1L2J2q7r6PQOvgrDVn

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      Very nice! Martin saxophone? I have no idea how much?

    2. Raven Nation

      There’s a whole bunch of ebay with prices ranging from a couple hundred to $1500. Different types, etc.

    3. Spudalicious

      I’ve always been partial to Selmer. Never could afford one when I was playing, though.

    4. Not an Economist

      There are lists with serial numbers of Martin saxophones on the Internet. That might help with the value.

      1. BakedPenguin

        Damn. A lot of sax playing Glibs. Any of you Duke Silver?

        1. Is he related to the Duke of New York, who is A number one?

    5. The Bearded Hobbit

      Any guess why Amazon photos won’t open for me? Spud’s link earlier in the day was the same way, page with an icon.

      1. MikeS

        You called Jeff Bezos a bad name on the internet and he blocked you?

        1. “I thought it was Jeff Bezos’ dick pics!”

      2. DenverJ

        Clear your cache and history. Duh. Is it plugged in?

  11. blackjack

    The fuck? Not ever needing food stamps is being priviledged?

    1. Nephilium

      Hell, I remember when my sister told people to piss off and refused to take WIC when she was a teenager.

      There’s a reason I’m proud of my sister every once in a while. Sorry Glibs, she’s married (and I approve of her husband).

    2. OneOut

      Bread lines are a good thing.

      Bernie

    3. Rhywun

      They think the 99% should all be on food stamps.

      1. Fourscore

        Back in the ’60s my folks were getting some kind of food stamps. My mother could use them at a particular store in trade for my dad’s pipe tobacco and for dish washing liquid. Black market was alive and well then, too. It was some kind of elderly assistance. There was also a food supplement she called “Commodities”, basic stuff, like yuuuuggge blocks of Velveeta like cheese product, flour, powdered milk, etc. Maybe state, I dunno.

        1. When I was growing up, our small tow got more government cheese and flour than it could use, so it gave the stuff to the senior citizens.

        2. DenverJ

          Yeah, that’s where all the jokes about welfare cheese and the “that’s not yo cheese” joke came from.

    4. My aforementioned dipshit friend’s dipshit wife with the student loans files tax returns separately so she can stay on food stamps.

      The world she and her ilk would bring about is terrifying.

      I hope for my friend’s sake the pussy is the greatest ever.

      1. MikeS

        What a sad way to go through life.

        1. Chafed

          Yes and there is a good chance she is lying on her government assistance application/yearly reenrollment. Most, if not all, means tested programs consider family income when the applicant is married.

          1. Lackadaisical

            Indeed, thats what I couldn’t understand.

            But they probably accept her tax filing as gospel.

      2. Akira

        That’s fucking pathetic.

        My ex-girlfriend had a full ride to Ohio State with a combination of private and public scholarships. But she decided to go to Franklin University instead. Now she’s in massive student loan debt and enthusiastically votes for Bernie Sanders in the hopes that he’ll wipe all student loan debt.

        Also, she hates black people.

        1. Rhywun

          Also, she hates black people.

          Yeah I had some exes like that. Only in Buffalo though, not NYC. Sometimes I miss Buffalo but that is not one of the things I miss.

        2. What a dumbass. A sheepskin from OSU > Franklin.

          1. CPRM

            The funny thing about this whole admissions scandal is that it was about trying to get into UCLA, not a good school. The only elite things at UCLA are the film school and 2QBs a decade (and the film school is still coasting on the talent that graduated in the 60s)

  12. Nephilium

    For the small intersection of beer geeks and MCU fans, someone has identified one of the beers that Thor was drinking in Endgame as this. A berliner weisse made in Georgia.

    1. … I likee Berliner Weissen!

  13. No, he will have to tax people like him, like you and nearly everyone else to pay for turning the entire country into a marauding gang of whores.

    Yeah, I’m not a high earner by any means, and the amount of income tax I have to pay to the state (NY) is obscene.

  14. hayeksplosives

    Getting ready for Mr Splosives’ debut with the band he auditioned with last weekend.

    Polished my rose embroidered Doc Martens, got my best Stevie Nicks hippy dress laid out. My work here is done.

    I hope this helps the Hubs get past the pain of moving away from his old band.

    1. You’re a good wife.

      1. hayeksplosives

        Thank you. It’s an ongoing struggle

        1. Is he still having problems adjusting to the move?

          1. hayeksplosives

            Yes, but he has made progress in the past month. He’s starting to experience the reality that now we live in a destination spot so he sees visiting friends he hasn’t seen in years.

            He will come around.

        2. The Struggle Is Real?

        3. J. Frank Parnell

          You know who else had a struggle?

          1. MikeS

            Lemmiwinks?

          2. Spudalicious

            Harry Houdini?

    2. Spudalicious

      Break a leg!

    3. MikeS

      Tell him we say, “break a leg!”

      1. BakedPenguin

        Thirded.

    4. DEG

      I hope it goes well.

    5. Nephilium

      Polished my rose embroidered Doc Martens

      Steel toed? And what color laces you wearing?

      Hope you and the hubby have a good time tonight.

      1. hayeksplosives

        Composite toe. I banned steel toed boots from the high voltage lab—asking for trouble. Black laces….here and there

        1. Nephilium

          You don’t want to give people the wrong idea. The last job had a budget for safety footware, I decided it would be pushing things too far to be an IT guy ordering steel toed Docs on the company dime.

          Besides, I’ve got two safety rated pairs, and a non-safety rated pair of steels already.

          1. blackjack

            We get an annual check for 260 (minus taxes) for shoes. We have to wear ansi spec footwear. I use composite toed cat sneakers (because they don’t make ansi rated Vans.)

          2. Rhywun

            Be attentive of your back-pocket hankies too.

          3. Nephilium

            I have never carried a hankie in any pocket. I have worn a pocket square with a suit, but that was just to match my tie and hat.

            There was a local fetish party that had a similar color code with the name badges though.

          4. I have never carried a handkerchief. I do carry a bandanna. It’s a cloth with a million uses.

          5. I carry a handkerchief in my laptop bag. It has come in handy from time to time, if only to clean my glasses.

          6. Nephilium

            trshmntsr: There’s a reason I have a microfiber cloth in my pocket at any time (hell, they give them out for free with most screen protector purchases now). And I don’t need glasses (yet).

          7. I carried a microfiber cloth for a while in my wallet, but it got nasty and i tossed it. I don’t remember if I tossed one into my laptop bag or not, but I should check that.

          8. Every grown man should carry a lighter a knife and a handkerchief/bandana at all times.

          9. Fourscore

            …and a concealable 6 shot defensive piece of equipment…

          10. Lackadaisical

            Every grown man should carry a lighter a knife and a handkerchief/bandana at all times.

            Not sure why you’d exclude kids there, except the bandana part, they can just pick their nose.

          11. Spudalicious

            My dad always had a handkerchief in his back pocket. Mom would do laundry and there would be a whole pile of them that needed to be folded. I swore as a kid that I would never do that.

            I’ve had a knife in my pocket since I was ten. Even when going to school.

          12. Akira

            I got a 12-pack of plain white handkerchiefs a few years ago; I always have one in my back pocket. I don’t use it for snot, but it has come in handy for other things many times.

            I don’t wash it unless I use it for something, or if I carry the same one for seven days straight.

          13. Chafed

            If I knew about your secret code system when I was young I would have considered joining your team.

          14. Tulip

            During summer I frequently carry a small Terry cloth towel. Very handy on days when it is 95 degrees and 95% humidity.

        2. Tres Cool

          When you work in steel, its metatarsal or GTFO: https://www.georgiaboot.com/georgia/mens/work/metatarsal-guard/
          The “drill dog” (in the currently unavailable all black) is my jam.

        3. zwak

          Oxblood Docs with yellow laces means commie. Just sayin’.

    6. Old Man With Candy

      You need to YouTube at least one song.

    7. Chafed

      I hope it helps too. Maybe Q can provide one of his pharmaceutical suggestions, like he used too, to really make it a good night.

    1. Chafed

      I’m setting 7 aside for Tres Cool, Jr.

  15. Spudalicious

    Go Chu Jang barbecue sauce. You want it. I’m about to slather some on a racked of smoked ribs.

  16. Grumbletarian

    That’s why it’s important to understand who we mean when we talk about the very rich. It’s not doctors, lawyers or, yes, authors, some of whom make it into “the 1 Percent.” It’s a much more rarefied social stratum.

    Yeah, when we say the rich are evil, we’re not talking about us rich guys, it’s only those other rich guys there. Us rich guys are the rich guys you can trust.

  17. Fuck Krugabe.

    I wouldn’t wish death on another human being, but if he got horrible, intractable, recurring C diff that eventually caused toxic megacolon and required a colectomy, let’s say I wouldn’t shed any tears.

    That’s all.

    1. Not Adahn

      What if he just moved to a farm upstate where he could chase rabbits and never get on the media again?

      1. “Oh, honey. We gave Mr Krugman to a farm family. He’s having a nice time on their farm.”

        1. Raven Nation

          “Oh, Bart, your hamster didn’t run away. It died and dad buried it in the backyard – although not necessarily in that order.”

  18. Sensei

    The steady growth in both charitable contributions and government spending, especially government spending on education, health, and other social services, has sparked much economic research on the question of whether individuals who contribute to charities reduce or increase their contributions in response to more generous government spending on charities. The research question has been whether government spending crowds out or crowds in private contributions to charities.

    Studies differ in terms of the type of data used and the sector in question; most studies used cross sectional or panel methods to analyze either survey data or more aggregated data on
    charitable giving. A summary of the previous empirical studies suggests that government spending is most commonly associated with partial crowding in or partial crowding out of charitable giving.

    Government Growth and Private Contributions to Charity

    1. Tax deductions or not – if the G crowds into funding something, I might just move my charitable giving to somewhere they aren’t…

      1. Sensei

        I feel the same way.

  19. The Late P Brooks

    This line of attack is, however, deeply stupid. Politicians who support policies that would raise their own taxes and strengthen a social safety net they’re unlikely to need aren’t being hypocrites; if anything, they’re demonstrating their civic virtue.

    Wrong. That’s not civic virtue. That’s just making plain an authoritarian belief in unlimited government power over the lives and possessions of the little people.

  20. Rufus the Monocled

    “That’s why it’s important to understand who we mean when we talk about the very rich. It’s not doctors, lawyers or, yes, authors, some of whom make it into “the 1 Percent.” It’s a much more rarefied social stratum.”

    Yet.

    On Krugman never giving to charity. A) Are we surprised? and B) conscience of a liberal, eh?

    On not having enough to cover a $400 emergency, you have to be a special kind of dope who can’t handle money to not have $400 in the bank account. Also, I’d love to know a tad more about this. It sounds like ‘1 in 4 dentists agree’ and ‘97% consensus’ and ‘1 in 5 rape’.

    Honk, honk.

    1. Most of those polls don’t take credit cards into account. They have enough credit limit to handle the emergency, but not enough cash in the account.

      Personally, I believe that means you can’t cover that emergency, but I’d still use a credit card if the emergency were expensive and dire enough.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        There’s also the term ‘asset rich, liquid poor’. That is, there are people who own properties/buildings (illiquid assets) worth a lot but don’t necessarily have liquidity in capital.

        Something like good revenues, low-leverage but no liquidity to pay for, say, a $50 000 renovation so a mortgage is taken out.

    2. blackjack

      I live in an EXPENSIVE assed house and pay more for everything in CA. I keep low 5 figures in the bank all times and have maybe 50-60k in extra motorcycles and parts I can sell quickly and easily if need be. That’s EXTRA motorcycles, keeping the three I can never sell. I’m not a genius (well, close maybe) and if I can do that, anyone can.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        I’m Canadian and have more than the ‘average American’ in a bank account in the U.S.. This strikes me as odd.

        1. Nephilium

          Having worked with the ‘average American’ I’m not surprised. I overheard people in the call center I worked at complaining about the 401k value going down. Mind you, the company did a 100% match up to 5% with vesting at 20% every year (these people complaining had been there for more then 5 years, so they were already at 100% vested).

          “My 401k keeps going down, I should stop contributing to it”

          While the 401k went down, it wasn’t going down 50%.

        2. Spudalicious

          It’s a cultural mindset. A lot of people that can’t handle a $400 emergency have an iPhone X, a large tv with a sound system, a nice car in the driveway, etc., etc., etc.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            I had a CA (whose husband was a shoe importer and does very well) complain to us that we increased our fees a whopping….$1….two years in a row.

            And then she drove off in her BMW X3.

            So yeh. Mindset.

          2. Sensei

            And that’s in loonies so not real money either.

    3. Nephilium

      Meh. I’ve been in the paycheck to paycheck trap in my youth. And had no savings or open credit. But I’ve also made other bad decisions in my past that led to that. There’s a reason I take some pride in where I am now.

      1. Spudalicious

        I have zero guilt for where I am today. We worked hard for this. I feel sorry for those that didn’t fare as well, but that’s not on me.

        1. Nephilium

          I’ve got no guilt as to where I am now. I know what I’ve done wrong in the past, and I’ve tried to learn from those mistakes. My credit score has improved immensely over the past couple of years based on my choices, and I’m at the point where I’m able to put about 40% of my income into savings now. It’s the same reason I can’t be upset at my younger relatives making bad decisions. I’ll support them as long as they’re willing to deal with the consequences of their decisions (this deals more with the 20 year old niece then the pre-teen nephews).

          1. Spudalicious

            It’s the recovery, not the mistake. If you get to middle age and don’t have baggage, you’ve been doing it wrong.

  21. Rhywun

    the burden of creating a more decent society

    Yeah, those five-year plans don’t write themselves. It takes Top Men and those noble servants need to be well-compensated for carrying that massive burden.

  22. The Late P Brooks

    The research question has been whether government spending crowds out or crowds in private contributions to charities.

    I doubt it is possible to filter out the effect of deductibility of charitable contributions on giving.

    1. I give to something because I think it worthy…not for tax reasons… I have always wondered about people looking for the tax advantage.

      1. Well, the nice thing about the deduction is it’s like you’ve done two good things for the price of one: given money to people who need it, and kept it away from people who will abuse it.

  23. The Late P Brooks

    Ray Dalio, hedge fund genius, recently was whining about how he and his cohorts are undertaxed. Leaving aside the burning question of why doesn’t he just send a check to the United States Treasury on his own initiative, I’d be fascinated to hear his response if I just wrote him a letter asking for $250,000,000 or so (I’m not greedy) so I could just “do some good stuff”with it.

    1. Chafed

      He suffers from the same hubris afflicting Bill Gates and the utter lack of comprehension the tax he proposes is unlikely to be as targeted as he proposes. If it is then it will expand over time.

      His hubris is believing Very Smart People will use that money to do Good Things. He is unwilling to acknowledge it will be used inefficiently like every government program. There is also a good chance it will simply be wasted.

  24. Lackadaisical

    So if you have an income high enough that you can easily afford health care and good housing, have plenty of liquid assets and find it hard to imagine ever needing food stamps, you’re part of a privileged minority.

    Not privilege dickhead, hard work.

    I can see why a working girl can beat him so severely every time, well, that and he pays for it.

    1. Rhywun

      But the oppressed can’t work hard, because the privileged keep them down. That’s why the privileged have to take care of the oppressed for them. Do you see now why you can’t win this argument?

      1. Lackadaisical

        …Because they’re mentally deranged?

        /uptalk

    2. Seriously, this guy is a cancer. I worked my fucking ass off to get where I am. Maybe he’s “privileged” and feels inexplicably guilty for it, but that’s his own self-hatred and no one is stopping him from giving it all away and becoming a Hare Krishna.

      1. Lackadaisical

        But that won’t do anything about the *really* rich, who are the problem, not simple millionaires like Kruggie and Team D.

      2. Tulip

        Yeah, I grew up in a manufactured home (aka trailer). He can go fuck himself.

        1. Rhywun

          Yeah, I had the whole food-stamp, free-lunch childhood. Eventually the conditions were right for my mom to work full-time and I felt like a king bringing my own damn lunch to school.

    3. Rufus the Monocled

      One guy told me one thing just before I opened my business. He said Ruf, ‘I didn’t name you Sue* but remember one thing. People will only see the result. They will never see the blood, sweat and tears that went into the success.’

      *I made that up.

      Krugman is a disingenuous ‘liberal’ for suggesting otherwise. Go back to rubbing two heliotropes together Paul.

    4. Raven Nation

      TBF, Krugman got rich while not working very hard (not a comment on his earlier Nobel-winning work but on his political hackery).

  25. Chafed

    Thanks Winston’s Mom. This is so much more entertaining than Contra Krugman.

    1. Lackadaisical

      It is a great feature. Always good. Kudos to whoever is behind her.

      1. Chafed

        Oh… we’re back to doing euphemisms.

        1. Lackadaisical

          We have an impressively short refractory period.

      2. Spudalicious

        That was me. While she was typing this column. That woman has some talent.

      3. Heroic Mulatto

        That would be…

        STEVE SMITH

        1. Lackadaisical

          Go on…

          1. westernsloper

            That’s what she said.

        2. Spudalicious

          I don’t have that much body hair.

          1. MikeS

            You have more?

          2. Spudalicious

            I buy wax by the drum.

  26. Lackadaisical

    New belgium Doubel ale… delish. Like it significantly better than the Trippel actually.

    Planted a bunch of grape vines today with the help of my whole family who stopped by to help watch the little guy and dig holes. Good times, makes it worth being stuck in this state.

  27. Rebel Scum

    Idk how I feel about the local pro soccer team’s fanclub being called The Red Army. Additionally, Winston’s mom makes for an attractive redhead.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Idk how I feel about the local pro soccer team’s fanclub being called The Red Army.

      Yeah, I didn’t understand how their marketing team thought that was a good idea. Do they play Germans and rape them?

      Additionally, Winston’s mom makes for an attractive redhead.

      If you’re talking about the vacuuming picture, yes, yes, yes.

        1. Lackadaisical

          I’ll be in my bunk.

    2. Rhywun

      I’m sure they’re waving enough rainbow flags to make up for it.

      1. Rebel Scum

        Didn’t see any of those while watching the game. But I did see a rainbow Canadian flag in the Philly/Vancouver game earlier. I can’t fathom what lgbt bs has to do with soccer, but whatever.

        1. Rhywun

          I see it nearly every game I watch when the camera turns to the supporters’ section. It’s all part of this “antifa” image they try to project – you know, the good, anti-hate ones, not the bike-lock wielding totalitarian ones.

          1. Rebel Scum

            Antifa: Putting the fascism into anti-fascism.

            But jokes aside, injecting that crap into sports really grinds my gears.

  28. westernsloper

    So if you have an income high enough that you can easily afford health care and good housing, have plenty of liquid assets and find it hard to imagine ever needing food stamps, you’re part of a privileged minority.

    Yes, yes indeed. The privileged minority in Bernie and Krugman’s mind that deserve it though are the political and media classes. Why does Bernie want Medicare for all and not the health care system he is afforded as a member of congress? Should we all not be on the same plan he is on?

    1. Lackadaisical

      They want you on that really good free one from the government, whats that you say, you get what you pay for?

  29. Rebel Scum

    “the extremist right-wing politics”

    ‘Extreme’ is a relative term.

  30. Rufus the Monocled

    My daughter just came and asked me if the world will end in 12 years. Her friends are all buying it and calling her an ‘anti-vaxxer’ for not agreeing. I told her a) tell your friends I’ll bu them all pizza in 12 years’ and when she pressed for more details I told her ‘you’re too young to get the complexities of the cynicism and politics of it. By the time you will, it won’t matter I reckon so let’s plan our next trip.’ It’s the best I could do while watching hockey, eating Timbits and trying this Anima Leonardo beer (it’s excellent).

    FUCK. YOU. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ and everyone else too numerous to name here feeding the climate-system change complex. May you all burn in hell for sowing the seeds of fear and discord among the youth of today with your fear-mongering lunacy.

    1. Tres Cool

      “…sowing the seeds of fear and discord among the youth of today with your fear-mongering lunacy.”

      Umm, Im not certain, but I kinda think that’s their plan, Muppet

    2. hayeksplosives

      Only acceptable outcome at this point would be for them all to Heaven’s Gate themselves in 12 years to fulfill prophecy.

      1. Chafed

        In the words of Jean Luc Picard, “make it so.”

    3. Spudalicious

      “Timbit”. You mean “donut hole”. And if you’re drinking beer while eating donut holes, there’s something wrong with you. Or, your Canadian.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Definitely not mutually exclusive.

        1. Spudalicious

          True, but I was trying to be polite.

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        To be honest, I had the beer earlier.

      3. Rufus the Monocled

        The hate speech level in here is high.

        1. Spudalicious

          Rule #4: It’s not offensive if it’s true.

      4. LEAVE TIMBITS ALONE!!!!

        *sobs into camera*

        1. Spudalicious

          WTF is wrong with you? I thought you were a ‘Murhican? It’s a friggin’ donut hole.

          *slaps Swiss across the face*

          Snap out of it, man!

    4. slumbrew

      All you Gen X’ers, remember when we were all going to die of AIDS because it was an equal opportunity disease and non-intravenous-drug-using heterosexuals were every bit as likely to die from it as everyone else?

      Fear has always been a useful tool.

      1. blackjack

        That shit pissed me off. All my friends were terrorized and obediently went for testing. It took a couple of weeks for results. Exactly none of them tested positive. Lotta terror and drama, though.

        1. slumbrew

          I got a HIV test at some point; so ridiculously unnecessary, in retrospect, given my behavior.

          That scare didn’t help my teen-aged sexual activity.

          1. westernsloper

            I have been tested for HIV numerous times. Many countries require it to get a work visa.

          2. Count Potato

            I once got a false positive.

          3. Holy shit that must’ve been terrifying.

          4. Especially because he was celibate at the time, and didn’t use needles!

          5. MikeS

            Immaculate Infection

        2. Rufus the Monocled

          Poison. And the politicians and jerks who pushed it don’t have to account for the fear they spread.

          1. KSuellington

            Yes, absolute dear mongering. I remember how scared I was waiting the week for the results to come in.

            That time I had zero to really worry about. I had to do it again after getting IV and injections at a shady Colombian clinic because I got cholera in a shithole port town in the late 90’s. That was terrifying. But damn Count, I cant even imagine how fucked up it would be to get a false positive.

      2. J. Frank Parnell

        Yeah, I remember that.

        It was weird, because it seemed like they were trying to walk a fine line between “anyone can catch this” and “but, you know, it’s not so contagious that anyone who has it should be quarantined or stigmatized or anything”.

        1. slumbrew

          It was, as ever, “good intentions”: “we don’t want to stigmatize people who have this incurable disease that’s strongly correlated with lifestyle choices, so we’ll tell a ‘good lie’ and say just about anyone can get it”.

          That was a huge lie, told to avoid having a tiny population stigmatized. The simple truth would have sufficed: “people who do [these behaviors, that have blood-to-blood transmission risks] should be extra careful and take extra precautions, everyone else is mostly OK”.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Until it reaches epidemic rates like some third world countries.

      3. AIDS
        Kids with Uzis.
        Crack

        We grew up paralyzed by fear.

        The worst, however, was girls dressing like fucking Blossom. Jesus. Raid Dad’s closet for the XL Flannel shirt, and button it to your neck with a stupid brooch and some dumb hat. How I am supposed to guess what kind of body you have under that get up?

        1. CPRM

          AIDS
          Kids with Uzis.
          Crack

          I don’t remember you attending a party at my house, but clearly you must have.

    5. Lackadaisical

      Sorry to hear they’re getting to your kids.

      I always needle my proggie nieces, trying to get them to question. Its not the kids’ fault, at least not entirely.

      Anima Leonardo beer

      Whats this now?

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        http://www.birraanima.com/eng/birre

        I picked this up along with a Polish beer (I forget the name). It was a sour.

        1. Lackadaisical

          Looks a little pretentious…

          I’ve had a few decentish polish beers, I actually like Ockocim (sp?).

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            Meh. It tasted good. Took it on a recommendation from the sales guy. Maybe he got a cut to go along with his Exxon-Mobil check. Lol.

    6. Plinker762

      My friend’s son once said that he didn’t want to get burned by the acid rain.

    7. westernsloper

      If she is getting this from school, tell her to ask her teacher what is the point in doing homework then? What is even the point in going to school? We will all be dead in 12 years after all.

  31. Old Man With Candy

    Tonight: Sal’s New York pizza (which is shockingly good), several varieties of beer, some gin drinks, a seriously good red wine, and the company of another libertarian couple.

    We’ll pretend that the asphalt outside isn’t bubbling.

    1. westernsloper

      Bubbling asphalt in April?……..You will love August when you can’t open your car because the door handle burns your hand. Buy welders gloves asap.

      1. Old Man With Candy

        It was only 100. Perfect weather for running.

        1. Nephilium

          One of my favorite scenes from Arrested Development is when Michael finally goes to Phoenix, walks out of the airport and burns his hand on a cab door handle before turning around and walking back into the airport.

        2. Tulip

          Puts an extra line through Phoenix as a potential retirement home.

          1. Old Man With Candy

            Other than the heat and the high cost of living, it’s great.

          2. FLAGSTAFF, HERE I COME!

          3. westernsloper

            The high cost of living is due to Canadians who bought there during the housing crisis of 2008’ish and after. They ruined the PHX housing market because they live in a frozen wasteland and need to thaw out. Keep with the American first theme and always blame the foreigners.

    2. And it’s not even May yet!

    3. KSuellington

      Sounds like global warming has hit Arizona too.

      “I’ll be taking those Huggies and whatever cash ya got.”

      *Sorry, couldn’t resist a quote from the documentary film about your current state*

      1. Old Man With Candy

        SP had never seen that until about a month ago. It got the desired reaction.

        1. KSuellington

          Ha! That is an all time classic. I hope she liked.

          1. Damn straight, Top 10 movie.

          2. Old Man With Candy

            Oh yes, very much so. I’m more of a Coen fan than she is, but this one tickled her.

          3. slumbrew

            Has she seen Miller’s Crossing? Love that movie.

    4. Rebel Scum

      Sounds fun. I smoked some wings with this rub and my new pellet tube*. Now sipping on cheap chardonnay as I am wont to do.

      *Interesting product. I think I’ll use it mostly to get quick smoke for quicker cooks such as grilling dinner during the week and stick to my cast iron smoker box with wood-chips for longer cooks. Also, it occurred to me that it can be used for cold smoking since it burns independent of the grill. Smoked cheese/bacon/fish/etc is in my future.

        1. Rebel Scum

          Yup.

    1. slumbrew

      Full-on belly-laugh.

      1. Lackadaisical

        +1

        *puts on MAGA hat*

    1. MikeS

      Good reply:

      David Drooping
      ‏ @hogganbeck
      2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @MattWelch

      Since the 2016 election, it has become increasingly clear that allowing dying news organizations to control the conversation concerning their replacements might have been an error in judgement.

    2. westernsloper

      The article Welch references is whack.

      The “shared reality” metric, for instance, captures “what percentage of the conversation shares the same facts,” Dorsey said, not “whether those facts are truthful.” At a time when conspiracy theories are gaining traction across social media, it seems naïve to embrace a standard of conversational health that allows for mutual delusion.

      I doubt the author was thinking “Russhun Kllusssion” when writing that.

      Dorsey also took the time that day to call Representative Ilhan Omar, of Minnesota, to discuss a tweet by Trump, sent earlier this month, that combined footage of the Twin Towers on September 11th with out-of-context excerpts from a speech Omar recently delivered on Islamophobia.

      It’s hard to take, “some people did something” out of context. That one seemed a reach to me. What Trump should have said in his Tweet is that she was speaking to a group that supports terrorists. Fuck that cunt and the asshats she was speaking to.

    3. Chafed

      That’s a clever take by Welch.

  32. Alternate Headline: “Scandal Plagued North American Catholic Church Desperately Needs Butts in Pews to Stop Hemorrhaging Members”

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-04/pope-francis-central-american-migrants-aid-peters-pence.html

    1. Lackadaisical

      *Catholicism waning*

      I mean, yeah, God does tell us to help the poor, but it certainly seems like grandstanding and politics when they then write an article about it.

      1. Agreed. I think the most meaningful charity is anonymous.

        1. No, you are supposed to stand on the street corner and blow a horn….”look, the alms I am giving!”

          wait, got that backwards.

  33. Plinker762

    Visiting San Diego for a long weekend for business. (Who schedules meetings on Sunday?) Did the USS Midway tour. The water front here is much better than Seattle. A lot fewer bums but I can see why the powered scooters drive some people nuts.

    1. slumbrew

      Who schedules meetings on Sunday?

      The deuce you say!

      I’m not even devout, but that’s out of line.

      1. Plinker762

        Yeah, I went WTF when I saw the schedule. Usually they are Mon.and Tue.

    2. (((Businessmen)))?

    3. Chafed

      Next time give us San Diego (and San Diego adjacent) Glibs a little warning and we can schedule a meet up.

      1. Plinker762

        Yeah, I had thought of that. I figured I was going to meet some other attendees tonight but that didn’t happen.

  34. Count Potato

    In other news, fuck this guy:

    “Where Presidential Candidate Joe Biden Stands On Marijuana: “I still believe it’s a gateway drug. I’ve spent a lot of my life as chairman of the Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize.””

    https://twitter.com/MarijuanaMoment/status/1121435168655458304

    https://www.marijuanamoment.net/where-presidential-candidate-joe-biden-stands-on-marijuana/

    1. Lackadaisical

      That seems like a tactical error.

      1. Sensei

        My thoughts as well.

    2. KSuellington

      Ha! Biden is so not woke enough for 2020.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Whats your avatar from?

        1. KSuellington

          From an utterly bizarre Mexican film from the 1970’s.
          (No reason for that really, other than it has a bunch of great images that I like)

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmR0vi0ifzE

          1. Lackadaisical

            Yes, they’re striking visuals.

          2. slumbrew

            Ah, Jodorowsky. What might have been.

          3. KSuellington

            Yes, I really have to see that one. I’ve read a few tales of his failed Dune attempt. I can only imagine what he might have put out. Holy Mountain and El Topo are two of the most insane things ever put to film. That shit could’ve only happened in that time period. Like the stuff that Herzog and Kinski made, it can never even be attempted today.

            And yes, Nap, baby hippos are damn cute.

          4. BakedPenguin

            It’d have been better than Lynch.

          5. I feel like I’ve just done acid.

            Also, I’m not sure why but I find baby hippos to be unusually adorable.

          6. Breet Pharara

            I always liked El Topo more than Holy Mountain, but both require an excessive amount of drugs to feel like you understand them.

    3. Rhywun

      He’s the OG drug warrior. That is a lot of pain and death that he will never be called to answer for.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        The faint hint of cherry blossoms in a young girl’s hair is all Joe needs to catch a bitchin’ buzz.

        1. westernsloper

          +1 caressing the bony shoulders of an adolescent

          1. Trigger Hippie

            ‘sloper! How have you been? We haven’t spoke in ages.

          2. westernsloper

            All good. Took a break from the news and here for awhile thinking something good was happening at work. No Joy there and seems I was delusioned. Now I am trying to be delusioned here more often but got out of the habit.

      2. KSuellington

        Yep. I cringe every time someone tells me how “reasonable” Biden is. Fuck him. I can’t wait to see his sorry ass lose to the Orange Menace.

        1. Rhywun

          He’s going to lose to Harris first.

          1. MikeS

            I don’t know if it will be Harris, but I agree that he won’t make it past the primaries.

    4. Chafed

      Arrogant politician learns nothing from experience. Proves he isn’t nearly as capable as his former boss. News at 11.

  35. Rebel Scum

    Some really strange calls happening in this New England/Kansas City game. And by strange I mean totally fucked.

    1. Rebel Scum

      And that, children, is why you crash the net after a penalty kick.

    2. Spudalicious

      What? Are you watching an NFL rerun?

      1. slumbrew

        5th-sport, dude.

        Why anyone would be watching MLS when playoff hockey is on, I dunno.

        1. Rhywun

          Heh. I would be, but yeah – the siren song of hate-watching the Bruins is hard to resist.

        2. Rebel Scum

          Soccer is a gentleman’s sport for hooligans and hockey is a hooligans sport for hooligans.

          And this is an interesting, high-scoring game. I’m glad I do not really favor either team because the ref is being really fast and loose with the cards to the great disadvantage of New England.

          1. Rhywun

            I thought the rejoinder was “rugby is a hooligan sport for gentlemen”. Buy yeah, I see that when I watch Aussie rules. Those guys are way more gentlemanly than soccer players, even when they’re smacking each other around.

          2. Lackadaisical

            “rugby is a hooligan sport for gentlemen”.

            Both are true, the rugby one is just more enjoyable.

        3. Breet Pharara

          Already watched the Roope Hintz show earlier. My heart needs a break.

    3. My Crew SC suck.

  36. slumbrew

    TIL the guy who sings the anthem at the Bruin’s game works a bar at the Garden before & after doing that

    That’s pretty cool.

    1. Rhywun

      The… robust gentleman? He’s really good.

      1. slumbrew

        Yep. Todd Angilly: probation-officer by day, works a bar at the Garden during games, take a break about 30 minutes before the game, gets into his suit, belts out out (New England Conservatory grad), then changes back and goes back behind the bar.

        He was one of 52 people who competed to replace Rene Rancourt when he retired last year.

        That’s awfully cool.

        1. Rhywun

          Heh that’s great.

    2. Nephilium

      Although I have some black and gold Dropkick Murphy’s gear, I need to cheer on the Blue Jackets for this series.

  37. Rufus the Monocled

    Anyway. Krugman is a bore.

    1. Chafed

      Paging KK.

  38. DenverJ

    I got tired of buying 2 bucks worth of mint, using 24 cents on drinks, and having the rest go bad before I got to it- so I bought a potted mint plant for my balcony.
    Drinking a Moscow mule right now.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Herbs in most stores are such a fucking rip off.

      A lot of them grow really well with minimal tending, not sure i could get rid of the oregano in my garden if I tried.

      1. Spudalicious

        I have to dig out half of my oregano every year. It’s now growing in the gravel outside of the bed.

      2. Tulip

        I go to the “immigrant” grocery stores – global, la Latina, best way or la grande market. All have cheap herbs and great produce. The produce turns over so fast, it’s always fresh.

    2. Akira

      I need to get planting some stuff before summer. I ought to get a nice herb garden going.

      One summer, I grew cilantro in a planter outside. They say that’s a hot weather plant, but oddly enough, it seemed to really spring up during the cold, rainy Ohio autumn.

      I remember making Indian curry and garnishing it with some cilantro leaves straight off the plant… Excellent.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Cilantro does poorly when it is too hot, it goes to seed and then you can’t get any decent leaves.

        1. Spudalicious

          You have to plant Cilantro every two weeks. Even the slow bolt variety bolts as soon as it gets hot.

          1. Lackadaisical

            Thats a great idea.

            I don’t know how Indians ever have any to speak of, especially when you see the quantities they use it.

    3. Spudalicious

      Since when did mint go in a Mule?

      1. westernsloper

        He didn’t say it did. You make assumptions.

        1. Spudalicious

          Wait…what?

          1. MikeS

            I assume he must be joking.

          2. westernsloper

            Never did DJ say he put mint in his Moscow Mule, he just stated he was a proud owner of a fresh mint plant. Or perhaps he has created a new drink, “The Kentucky Mule” which might be a ginger beer vodka/Julip sort of thing and might be something to be investigated. The facts are unknown at this point. Perhaps a Special Counsel is needed to see if Moscow has infiltrated the Mule recipe in DJ’s mixing area.

          3. Spudalicious

            Kentucky Mule is made with bourbon, instead of vodka.

            It is known.

      2. slumbrew

        That’s a good point – mint belongs in a whiskey (or rye) smash, mojitos, julips, etc. – not in mules.

    4. westernsloper

      I potted some plants started from seed this week.

    5. Rhywun

      Speaking of, uh, drinking… anyone know if whiskey instead of rye works in a Manhattan? Like, is there any reason I shouldn’t try it and instead wait and find rye? (I’ve looked at a couple of the mom-n-pop liquor stores and didn’t see any).

      1. Rhywun

        PS. when I say whiskey I mean Jameson’s.

        1. MikeS

          I say give it a shot and see how it turns out.

          1. Chafed

            Damn your nimble fingers.

      2. MikeS

        Bourbon works well. Canadian whiskey might work be OK.

      3. Chafed

        No idea. Let us know how it works out.

        1. Rhywun

          Yep, I will. Working on a Negroni now. It’s really different with the sweet vermouth rather than the dry I was using before. Not sure which I like better.

          1. slumbrew

            Negroni’s remain fantastic.

            Also, I miss “Negroni Please”, if only for that great handle.

          2. Rhywun

            I’m sure he was around recently, in the last day or two. I salivate at his avatar.

      4. Akira

        You can absolutely do it with any kind of whiskey/whisky.

        Bourbon works just fine. It’s sweeter than rye, so you may want to use dry vermouth instead of sweet (or, as I prefer, half dry and half sweet).

        You can even do it with Scotch, although my understanding is that this is called a “Rob Roy”.

        Still, you can absolutely get the Manhattan experience without rye.

        1. Rhywun

          You can even do it with Scotch, although my understanding is that this is called a “Rob Roy”.

          *googles* Yup. I’ve always liked scotch the most so that will definitely come into the rotation some day.

      5. slumbrew

        non-rye Manhattan’s are… fine. I know plenty of people who use bourbon. But the rye spiciness is what makes Manhattan’s great, IMO.

        1. Rhywun

          I’ve never actually had rye, so was not aware of what’s different about it.

          1. slumbrew

            I love rye; you’ll hear it described in terms of “heat” or “spice” – you’ll see when you have some.

          2. Akira

            Agreed; rye is whiskey taken to the next level.

            (ri)1 rye whiskey is one of the best distilled spirits I’ve ever had. I called around every liquor store in the area (Dayton OH metro region) but none of them have it. I might have to drive down to Kentucky and buy a whole case at one of their awesome liquor stores.

          3. westernsloper
          4. slumbrew

            Bulleit is incredibly rye-forward, almost to a fault. I’d suggest starting with something like Sazerac, which is very reasonably priced.

          5. MikeS

            And it’s name-sake cocktail is very good, as well.

      6. Count Potato

        Actual U.S. whiskey that uses mostly rye isn’t that common, even though a number of large distilleries make it. Irish whiskey, such is Jameson’s, isn’t commonly used in Manhattans. Most bartenders use Canadian, which originally used mostly rye, but are now generally blended to taste like rye . Although, there are a few 100% rye whiskeys made in Canada, they are an expensive minority of Canadian whiskeys.

        American whiskeys are fine, but I wouldn’t use bourbon with a heavy presence of corn.

        1. But Enough About Me

          Alberta Premium is a 100% rye made in Canada, it’s almost stupidly cheap, and it’s won a number of awards. Ubiquitous up here.

          1. Count Potato

            Are you in Canada?

        2. slumbrew

          Actual U.S. whiskey that uses mostly rye isn’t that common

          ¿Que?. There’s plenty of rye available.

          I suppose I could be in some rare booze oasis…

          1. Rhywun

            I live in a city that doesn’t have stores like that. So yes, you live in an oasis by my standards.

    6. Tulip

      Keep mint in a pot. It’s invasive.

      1. I have mint growing in my aerogarden and if I don’t keep on top of it, it tries to send runners into the fish tank sitting next to the aerogarden.

  39. Lackadaisical

    You know you’re old when the most exciting thing about your wife being out of town is that you might finally do all the dishes and laundry and have the house clean for 1 whole day.

    1. Chafed

      You could show us all a little respect by getting blind drunk.

      1. MikeS

        Right?! Christ, what a responsible asshole!

      2. Spudalicious

        ^^^This. What an asshole. Even though I would do several hours of cleaning before getting blind drunk.

        1. Lackadaisical

          Still have to look after mini-me, otherwise I’d probably be a few more than 4 deep.

          1. Spudalicious

            Ahh. Dealing with spawn changes the whole equation.

          2. Chafed

            Wait a minute… you said you were old. Is your kid 50?

          3. Lackadaisical

            I have a very different standard of old than the ancients here.

            /1.5score

          4. Chafed

            1.5 score!?! Jeez put out a second glass and get to it.

          5. Rhywun

            Good lord. That’s like 0.97 evans.

          6. Lackadaisical

            Yeah, I’m just a few months less than an Evan. Its like a little embarrassing hanging out with all you greybeards?

          7. CPRM

            I don’t even get how an Evan became the measurement, I’m sure Winded is younger, and there was was a poster here for abit that was rebelsomething that claimed to be 19.

          8. Spudalicious

            An Evan is an Evan because the Glibertariat deemed an Evan to be an acceptable measurement of age.

            Srsly, you would never make it in the Moose Lodge.

    2. Rebel Scum

      I have the same dynamic with the gf…

      1. Lackadaisical

        I want to find those OCD women who like to clean.

        I fucked up by marrying a girl who used to have a maid.

    3. slumbrew

      My wife has been gone for much of the day and I’ve done about 5 loads of laundry.

      Preach, brother.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Last weekend I did 3 loads, folded everything… asked her to put it away, that only took a week, and she had the gall to ask me to help her.

        Uh… no.

        1. slumbrew

          It’s like we’re living parallel lives.

          Her suitcase is still in the corner of the living room, from 5 days ago.

          1. Rhywun

            LOL, for some reason

          2. Lackadaisical

            ROFL.

            Everyday she leaves her bag on the floor, then somehow the contents get strewn throughout the house. It is almost like 1-year olds will play with anything and just leave it lying around. Nah.

        2. straffinrun

          Winston’s mom did 5 loads yesterday.

          1. Spudalicious

            And didn’t bother cleaning in between.

          2. DAMN YOU …. for getting in first.

    4. straffinrun

      And you can do your business with the bathroom door open. Bombs away.

      1. Chafed

        So much this. One of life’s simple pleasures.

    1. RAHeinlein

      Flashback hot? See 2019 Hall of Fame induction – Stevie Nicks.

    2. BakedPenguin

      Mmm… damn. Nerd girl hotness.

      1. Chafed

        If Q is still here I’m hoping he takes that as a challenge to provide some NSFW links.

      2. CPRM

        Lisa Loeb did give me one of my most memorable dreams ever…erm…STOP OBJECTIFYING BLACK WOMEN’S BODIES!

    3. Count Potato

      Fake glasses.

      1. Rebel Scum

        And?

    4. westernsloper

      Big mental flashback to shooting pool with whats her face number two in smoky bars in the 90’s. Havn’t felt that for awhile.

  40. Spudalicious

    Captain Obvious puts bourbon through the nose.

    “You dream big, for a man on a plane to Omaha.”

  41. slumbrew

    Nice dive, asshole.

    *grumbles at the hockey*

    1. Rhywun

      Yeah, he sold that. Sadly, it didn’t amount to shit.

  42. MikeS

    Another drinking question: Has anyone had Dickel Tabasco Barrel Finish? It’s currently on a BOGO sale at my local liquor store.

    1. straffinrun

      Thx. It’s been a while since I’ve been asked for ID.

      1. MikeS

        Right? Fucking annoying.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Do the konbini clerks still reach over and tap the over 20 button for you?

        1. straffinrun

          Yes the do. Always thank them for the reach around.

    2. slumbrew

      BOGO sale makes me think “nobody wants to drink this swill”.

      1. MikeS

        Nah, this is a yearly thing they do. “The Penny Sale”. For years it was only wine, but recently they started adding a few different liquors and a couple beers.

    3. Tulip

      Is your local Happy Harry’s?

      1. MikeS

        You betcha

        1. MikeS

          Well, I live 50 miles away, but work close by.

          1. Tulip

            I miss Happy Harry’s.

    4. Gustave Lytton

      I mistakenly picked up a mini bottle thinking it was the regular stuff. I still haven’t opened and was thinking about dumping it to make room for others.

  43. slumbrew

    Blue Jacket’s goalie is standing on his head – some great saves.

    1. MikeS

      Jeezus…now he’s fighting Judge Nap?

      1. Rhywun

        I can’t even with any of that. Twitter is so fucking toxic I want nothing to do with it.

        1. straffinrun

          Can’t even…? You trust us to fill in that gap?

          1. Lackadaisical

            Winston’s mom did, and she was let down.

          2. Chafed

            1. No
            2. Oo… more euphemisms
            3. I do expect something gunny.

          3. slumbrew

            She’s a bit of alright.

        2. Lackadaisical

          I usually avoid it as well, the format is obnoxious and the content is worse.

      2. Lackadaisical

        Libertarian Moment.

      3. Chafed

        Yeah, I lost an IQ point reading that tweet. What’s the source of Trump’s grumpiness?

        1. Spudalicious

          I like Judge Nap, but he’s had some commentary recently that Trumpians don’t like. Not being a Trumpian, I’ve scratched my head a couple of times and thought, “huh?”.

        2. Fatty Bolger

          He’s been making the argument that Trump probably obstructed justice. It’s very weak stuff, by this standard every sitting President you can name has “obstructed justice.” He’s also arguing that impeachment is a political process not a legal one, so Congress can impeach the President for pretty much whatever reason they want and the courts can’t stop it.

    2. CPRM

      ….Ever since Andrew came to my office to ask that I appoint him to the U.S. Supreme Court

      So, Trump does read our fanfic…

  44. Rebel Scum

    It’s about time to just HIT IT.

    1. Chafed

      51 was meant as a reply to you. Gilmored/SFed/Brooksed it.

  45. Chafed

    Excellent call.

  46. CPRM

    Heard a bit of Trump’s speech in Green Bay tonight, he did a bit right out of Hat and Hair where he called Pie onstage and then said she was more popular than him so she was fired. Fucking comedy gold, yet SF and I seem to be the only two people able to bring the comedy to life.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Uhhh… lets be careful about invoking SF’s tales into this universe.

      1. Chafed

        Sage advice.

    2. straffinrun

      The stream of consciousness slam poetry of his rallies is getting stale. Better than listening to most politicians’ yammer away, but I tapped out about a year ago.

      1. CPRM

        I have to listen, to give you mongrels cartoons. Plus this was in my backyard, also Sports radio was trying to talk NBA even though it’s NFL draft time, so I switched over to News Talk.

    1. Rhywun

      I was wondering how the vague “he was stopped” reports I saw earlier was going to turn out.

    2. straffinrun

      The scramble to plant your tribe’s flag on top of dead bodies like it’s Iwo Jima is probably the worst trend I’ve seen on Twitter. *Your being the general “your”.

    3. Spudalicious

      Proggies are going to have a very hard time spinning this one.

      19 year old anti-Semitic nursing student shoots up a Synagogue because he’s pissed about the Muslims shot in Christchurch. He’s a Trump/conservative hater because they support Jews, who used and AR-15 and was stopped by an off duty CBP Officer.

      Mind. Blown.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        So… need to ban AR-15s.. got it.

        1. CPRM

          Any gun that has a thing that goes up.

          1. MikeS

            My gun is a thing that goes up…

          2. CPRM

            So, the liberals are right, gun rights are all about men with small dicks. Thanks for ruining the argument Mike.

        2. straffinrun

          Don’t forget to ban the internet. Can never be too safe.

      2. westernsloper

        Listen to NPR tomorrow morning. I have a wrinkled dollar bill that they will mention this attack and follow with their standard “black churches attacked” some months/years ago to demonstrate that the real problem is white supremacy but in the end, Trump has emboldened all the racists regardless of who they hate.

        1. Chafed

          I’m sure you are right. Reason 145399 I gave up on NPR.

      3. Chafed

        Ergo, it’s Trump’s fault.

  47. Gustave Lytton

    Amazon Prime has 6 seasons of Thriller. Anthology series varies between a Hammer horror and good ole English whodunnit. The early 70’s camera work and background music make it feel like it could be Pertwee Who. One season in, recommend.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(UK_TV_series)

    1. MikeS

      Thanks. Will check it out shortly.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        The guy behind it did work on The Avengers and a host of others (skip Highlander II).

    2. Rhywun

      Oh, wow. I might remember this from kidhood. I’ve been searching the tubes for “series of creepy early 70s English movies” for years. If this is it, I remember watching them on Saturday or Sunday afternoons some time in the late 70s or early 80s.

    3. slumbrew

      I briefly thought you were talking about Chiller, which was nightmare-fuel when I was a kid.

      1. Chafed

        OMG yes it was.

  48. BakedPenguin

    Akira – if you’re still around, I did eventually read your question about Klezmer / Eastern European music a while ago.

    I think the thing is, some of the scales used in those types of music have intervals that are minor, as well as major intervals. Some of the scales have minor third intervals (e.g. E-G) while “Western” music only has second intervals, either major or minor (e.g., F-G, or E-F).

    However, I think the biggest thing is context. Keep in mind that every “Western” major scale has a relative minor, and vice-versa. The exact same notes for C maj are the notes for A min. Every Western scale has 2 minor (semitone, E-F or B-C) intervals and 5 major (G-A or D-E) intervals.

    Also, the Ukrainian song you linked was a dance, so it was obviously meant to be a happy song. I’m sure there are sad dance songs, but not at the tempo the song you linked was playing.

    1. Akira

      I’m still here!! Thanks for the reply.

      Interesting response; I’ll have to give it some thought (I’m not nearly as well-versed in musical theory as you are).

      1. BakedPenguin

        Thank you, Akira. I could have explained that better, since every scale contains both major and minor intervals. But I’m at 10 beers now, so maybe let’s leave it for a later time.

  49. CPRM

    The part of my brain that enjoys music Enjoys THIS. The Part of my brain that gets paid to play country music adds this.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      You’re doing gods work on the air in WI.

  50. The torn libertarian… it is Prom Night, in our local skool distrikt. The Yutes down a few houses are generally fine, upstanding kiddos…but they are noisier than shit tonight. I have thought of narrowing my gaze over a the iron sights of a pellet gun, and whistling one into the fence near where they are a hootin’ and a holerin’…. and also contemplating just getting another bottle of beer and leaving them be, as it is their senior prom. I think I will get the beer and let them be…for now. This shit goes on past, say an hour more…and it is ping! time.

    1. CPRM

      For the last 17 years I’ve raised my niece to love all things geek and be who she is. Tonight was a her Jr Prom, somehow my raising her to not be gender stereotyped was morphed by this world into her thinking she’s perhaps trans; She was running for Prom King. I mean, that’s cool, but I just really hope no ‘Dr’ convinces her she needs a fake dick to make her whole.

    2. Spudalicious

      I own the title of the only large high school graduation party in my town that didn’t get shut down by the cops. Planned and organized by my family.

  51. PieInTheSky

    Last chance for a lower seed to win a first round series… 1 minute left.

    Good morning glibs.

    And Happy Real Easter

    1. PieInTheSky

      nope. nuggets have it

      1. Ha! Screw you Popovich! I used to like the Spurs, then you had to go shoot your mouth off and get political…now I laugh when you lose.

      2. Oh, and WTF, Golden State, getting bored are we? I mean, losing 2 to the Clippers?!?!?!

        1. PieInTheSky

          i fear houston have a good chance

          1. CPRM

            Woo, Bucks, Grfeek guy, Wisconsin sports/ don’t give a shit. Let me know when you can legally hit someone fag basketball.

          2. PieInTheSky

            i would like it if bucks won… anyone but rockets and celtics really but bucks above others

        2. straffinrun

          And in one of those losses they were up 31 in the third quarter. Pop gets way too much credit for the Spurs past success IMHO. Duncan and his supporting cast were the monsters on that team.

    2. Get a real calendar!

    3. CPRM

      Happy Real Easter

      You Orthodox only celebrate everything a week late so you can get everything on sale, almost like the Je…sus freaks.

    4. straffinrun

      OK. Just watched the end of that game. Denver up by 4 with the ball and 27 seconds left. The shot clock at 24 and the Spurs decide NOT to foul. That is ridiculous.

      1. PieInTheSky

        Slipped their mind

        1. straffinrun

          We forgot it’s game seven and wanted to win.

  52. CPRM

    Ok, I’ve been up almost 20hrs, I leave yall with some Collective Soul.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’d say we’re fucked.

      People are openly advocating for throwing out all the safeguards in order to achieve a political outcome now.

  53. Chafed

    The local radio coverage of the Poway synagogue shooting is driving me nuts. This synagogue is about 10 miles from mine. After reporting one person was killed and three injured, they conclude by telling us the shooter may be charged with hate crimes. *head explodes*

    Hey mister newsreader, how about one count of first degree murder with special circumstances, three counts (maybe more) of attempted murder, and assault with a deadly weapon?

    1. Rhywun

      The hate is the only reason this is (inter?)national news. Well, that, and the chance to pretend this is some sort of ongoing escalation instead of SSDD.

      1. Chafed

        I’m sure you are right. What is SSDD?

        1. Rhywun

          same shit, different day

          Sorry, it’s from a Stephen King book.

  54. DrOtto

    Last!?

  55. Suthenboy

    “Cilantro does poorly when it is too hot, it goes to seed and then you can’t get any decent leaves.”

    As God intended. It’s called ‘growing coriander’.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Ha!

      Fresh coriander is something else. Tastes different fromstore bought