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For our third installment of learning Japanese through anime titles I’ve picked a title to introduce honorifics in Japanese.
Japanese: かぐや様は告らせたい ～天才たちの恋愛頭脳戦～
Romanized :Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai – Tensai-tachi no Ren’ai Zunōsen
Common English Title: “Kaguya-sama: Love Is War”.
かぐや – “Kaguya” – female given name.
様 – “sama” – honorific – equivalent to Mr., Mrs, Miss, Ms, etc. In Japanese it can be used with both first and last names.
は – “ha” romanized as either “ha” or “wa”, but pronounced “wa”in this usage. This is the topic marker – frequently translated as “as for” in English.
告らせたい “kokurasetai” – passive form of the verb “kokuru” – to confess (one’s love), to propose (marriage), to ask out (on a date) plus “tai” which expresses desire.
I should probably do another entry on passive verb use in Japanese. The passive voice is widely used in Japanese as compared to English. Things happen in Japanese “just happen” similar to the way police officers’ guns just simply discharge in English news stories. Culturally it helps save face and nobody has to accept blame for causing a problem.
～ used as a dash here as far as I can tell. If any of our more Japanese fluent Glibs want to explain the Japanese use of the tilde I’m interested.
天才 – “tensai” – genius
たち “tachi” – makes things plural as relates to people. Japanese usually doesn’t distinguish between singular and plural unless there is a reason to be specific.
の – “no” shows possession. Similar to ” ‘s” in English.
恋愛 – “renai” – love, love-making, passion, emotion, affections.
頭脳 – “zunou” – head, brains.
戦 – “sen” – war, battle.
So a literal translation is “(As for) Kaguya-sama (she) wants to be confessed to ~ geniuses’ love brain battle”. Not particularly close to the English title.
Here is your quick lesson on honorifics in Japanese. There are many honorifics so I’m only going to touch on the most common ones here. I’m also freely going to “borrow” and summarize from Wikipedia.
San (さん) is the most commonplace honorific and is a title of respect typically used between equals of any age. Although the closest analog in English are the honorifics “Mr.”, “Miss”, “Ms.”, or “Mrs.”, -san is almost universally added to a person’s name; -san can be used in formal and informal contexts and for both genders.
Sama (様【さま】) is a more respectful version for people of a higher rank than oneself or divine, toward one’s guests or customers, and sometimes toward people one greatly admires. Deities such as native Shinto kami and the Christian God are referred to as kami-sama. When used to refer to oneself, -sama expresses extreme arrogance (or self-effacing irony), as in praising oneself to be of a higher rank, as with ore-sama (俺様, “my esteemed self”).
Kun (君【くん】) is generally used by people of senior status addressing or referring to those of junior status, by anyone addressing or it can be used when referring to men in general, male children or male teenagers, or among male friends. It can be used by males or females when addressing a male to whom they are emotionally attached, or who they have known for a long time. The suffix is also used by juniors when referring to seniors in both academic situations and workplaces. Although -kun is generally used for boys, it is not a hard rule. In business settings, young female employees are addressed as -kun by older males of senior status.
Chan (ちゃん) is a diminutive suffix; it expresses that the speaker finds a person endearing. In general, -chan is used for babies, young children, close friends, grandparents and sometimes female adolescents. Although traditionally, honorifics are not applied to oneself, some people adopt the childlike affectation of referring to themselves in the third person using -chan (childlike because it suggests that one has not learned to distinguish between names used for oneself and names used by others). “Chan” is only used between people who have known each other for a long time or who are of the same gender.
So with this little bit of knowledge you can now quickly determine the relationship of people and social status by how they address each other. Note that for word order in Japanese for native Japanese people your family name goes first followed by your given name. BUT for the gaijin you retain western name order of first name followed by last name.
Japanese people generally don’t use first names until they have an established relationship with a person. However, since westerners don’t usually follow this practice most of the time westerners will be referred to by first name + “san”. This tends to annoy “woke” Westerners in Japan from my readings. It’s never been an issue for me.
Most older Japanese will almost universally use an honorific plus either first or last name. The only time the honorifics get dropped is if the relationship is very close or you intend to be insulting. My understanding is this may be changing with younger people. However all the Japanese people I communicate with including my close friends, we all use honorifics. In the case of my friends first name plus honorific. If any the Glibs that actually live in Japan want to comment about this I’d be interested to hear how they address their close friends and what their experiences are.
Summary
Student council president Miyuki Shirogane and vice-president Kaguya Shinomiya appear to be the perfect couple. Kaguya is the daughter of a wealthy conglomerate family, and Miyuki is the top student at the school and well-known across the prefecture. Although they like each other, they are too proud to confess their love as they believe whoever does so first would lose. The story follows their many schemes to make the other one confess.
Source: Wikipedia
This one I can actually recommend. It’s a spoof on the usual high school student council romantic comedy. The two protagonists obviously like each other, but continuously scheme to get the other one to try to confess his or her romantic interest. It doesn’t take itself too seriously and the “will they or won’t they get together” isn’t the point of the series, it’s the gags. Specifically the reason the protagonist is dressed as first name + “sama” is done to suggest high class status and the idea of aloofness.
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302 responses to “Learn Japanese Through Anime Titles – かぐや様は告らせたい ～天才たちの恋愛頭脳戦～ Kaguya-sama: Love Is War”
Turning Japanese =getting Nippy,
I really think so……
Honorifics bug me. Trying to shoehorn in unearned respect into common politeness or something.
*biting virtual tongue not to make pragmatic language impairment joke*
Even though that link says Wikipedia, since it came from you I am gonna assume it is NSFW…
There is a whoooole lot of NSFW content on wikipedia.
I would think you would find the opposite offensive. The point of honorifics/use of last name not first etc. is to not force or imply an unwelcome level of intimacy and familiarity. Mr. servant isn’t respectful in the “Oooh I admire you” sense. It is respectful in the “I respect your right to choose how intimate this interaction will be sense”. Calling you by your first name, or worse a nickname based on that name (which may not actually be one you use) is presumptuous.
We should all be speaking in Lojban anyway.
James Cooke Brown has a sad.
Sounds like a sitcom. I fucking hate sitcoms. If admitting attraction first is ‘Losing’ then these two would be miserable together since their relationship would be based upon trying to gain or maintain a position of superiority over the other.
Dang, UnCiv. Who salted your oatmeal this morning?
Perhaps it was the touch of cinnamon?
I’m sorry, it’s the paperwork I’m trying to muddle through.
It’s the kind with no instructions, but the slightest error in a field content gets the request denied and the form thrown back at you with little guidance.
You’re filing an 855A with CMS? I love the way they don’t save any of your info, and you have to fill out every single fucking field every single fucking time.
No, it’s a server build request form.
The process keeps “evolving” so it’s a different form… again.
Try doing an EDGAR filing with the SEC as an occasional user. Everything you list plus the joy of having to obtain a temporary password AND the “only the government could be this stupid” joy of having to fill out the form online, then print it off, sign and notarize it (better have the notary there because you then have to attach the notarized copy to the form BEFORE you submit it, and it times out in 5…4…3…
*jots notes for internal policy adoption and amendment process*
It is precisely like that. However unlike heaven knows how many seasons of “Cheers” most anime run in “cours“.
So they generally come to some kind of conclusion.
The core “problem” can be resolved in five minutes with a touch of honesty and common decency. That would nag at me each and every scene where the characters go to lengths to avoid it.
It’s why sitcoms aren’t funny either.
If admitting attraction first is ‘Losing’ then these two would be miserable together since their relationship would be based upon trying to gain or maintain a position of superiority over the other.
Or maybe they should just hang out on FetLife.
Im curious how Hungarians would be treated in Japan, since Hungarians also use family name first, personal name second. While they use the same name order as the Japanese, Hungarians aren’t as reserved about using their personal names. Would my grandfather be Jan-San or Kovács-San? He’d probably prefer the former simply to ease pronunciation, Kovács contains too many phonemes that aren’t available in Japanese.
If we follow the standards set by the American corporate press, a Hungarian would be named based upon how he votes. If he votes for one of the anti-EU party then his name is “Nazi” by default.
Mostly true; if they voted for Jobbik they are ultra-Nazis instead of regular Nazis.
Since I didn’t know this either my guess would they would take the clue from how he made the introduction.
Whatever name was said first would be assumed the first name.
First names are usually easier for Japanese people to pronounce so I have no issues with people using my first name after an introduction.
I’d assume they’d use the order the speaker used, and just figure that the first name given was the personal name; could lead to some mild linguistic humor over the confusion. In your, and Japanese speakers in general, defense, Hungarian is an outlier among European languages, as it isn’t part of the Indo-European language group. There’s actually a longstanding debate about where it actually belongs in relation to other languages, and for a time it was placed in the same family as Japanese.
I don’t know of any mainstream theoretical school that definitively placed Hungarian and Japanese together. Japanese is basically a language isolate in its own language family, whereas, Hungarian is Finno-Ugric/Uralic. Now, there have been some theories posited as to a distant genetic relationship between the Uralic languages and languages like Mongolian, Japanese, and Korean, but no one had ever shown the smoking gun to get a consensus of agreement then or now.
Goddammit, what is it with all the facts and shit around here today. This is the internet! This is no place for facts and information!
I’ve found the Korean and Japanese distant connection theories really interesting. It really does seem like there is a connection, but linguists can’t seem to quite make it.
What mucks up the waters is the close geographic proximity. You have to prove that any similarities aren’t a result of language contact, but are evidence of genetic connection via a common mother language.
That sounds a tad impossible… Especially since both languages historically used Chinese characters for writing.
The writing system is arbitrary to the phonology and morphology of the languages, so that’s not a problem. It’s more about looking at the various phonological features of the language, lexicon, and syntax, and winnowing out which changes were due to known phono-morpho-syntactical laws and which are borrowing and claques.
Also, you need a large enough data set of historically attested words to have the statistical power to definitively prove the hypothesis.
I want to hear your name pronounced by a Japanese.
Heloic Muratto?
I LOL’d.
弥助
I’m on the left.
Doing the Glibs a public service here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
Ninja please!
I didn’t mean to imply that they were ever considered to be closely related, and I find all the different classifications like the Altaic family and the one you pointed out to be bunk. I was just pointing out how much of an oddball Hungarian is compared to other European languages.
That’s because Hungarians are not from this planet.
You mean, they’re gingers?
Most people outside of Hungary are not aware of this Hungarian convention. I’ve seen many Hungarians in the U.S. and all of them followed the standard convention of listing their given name first and family name second. Despite having a Hungarian partner of 14 years, I probably wouldn’t have heard about it if I didn’t pay attention to closing credits in Hungarian movies that I watched as a kind in the Soviet Union.
as a kid
Only in Japan….
I first saw that as “Learn Japanese Through Anime Titties”.
Seconded.
*makes twisting motion with arms*
Come in Tokyo!
From my practical experience caused by the yellow fever bout I have been going through, anime titties will be much closer and larger than the real thing.
I’ve been Time -San in all conversations with my Japanese co-workers. I use honorifics in all of my correspondence with my Japanese coworkers except for one that insists on being called Yoshi. He is a PITA, so I enjoy not using San when addressing him.
I do the same with German’s if they are a customer, but I stopped using Herr and started using Mr. One person, Mr Pickle, makes me chuckle every time I send him an email.
Since everyone in Germany of any status seems to “have to have” a doctorate – are you forced to use “doctor” as well?
According to my German teachers, in formal settings it will be expected. Informal settings, maybe.
Oh heavens yes.
Um Gottes willen.
My last job was working for a big German firm and was always struck that they insisted that all forms that collected personal information included an honorific and that it had to have “Dr.” as one of the options.
Those fuckers were the worse about insisting that people use Dr when addressing them.
Germans are also weird about not having nick names. Always Stefan, never Steve or Stevey. I was always James. Even if all the Americans were calling me Jimbo, the Krauts stuck with James.
“Look, Fritz, every time you use the wrong name you’re openly insulting me. So there won’t be any ‘Herr Doktor’-ing from me until you learn to address me in the manner I requested. Capiche?”
“But the papers say your name ist…”
One of the Krauts I liked a lot was a guy named Stefan Exxxxxxxx (not real name). I would always call him Stevey-E on conference calls. Us Americans all laughed and liked it, but I think he was embarrassed by it. Which makes it the best kind of nick name.
Honestly, I think calling someone a name they don’t offer is pretty rude. Maybe acceptable in some informal situation but definitely not work.
My actual rule for human interaction is to ask what someone wants to be called and use that (as long as they’re serious), and give them one “please call me ___” before getting irritated. I prefer to avoid addressing people with a proper noun before I can ask that question.
Did you always open up the call with “Hey, Stevey-E, what my neger!!”?
Nope. It was more like “Stevey-E, ya hey dere“
Those fuckers were the worse about insisting that people use Dr when addressing them.
Try calling anybody in health care “doctor” who doesn’t have an MD or DO, and watch the fur fly.
Not even a DDS?
*clutches pearls, collapses on fainting couch*
Dr. NP?
Are you kidding? Our docs complain that we use “provider” to refer to physicians and nurse pracs. They are insulted that we would ever put them and *spit* nurses in the same category.
What about the *swallow* nurses? I bet they like them
I do the opposite. I call my doc by his first name. The first time, he was a bit taken aback, but now we are Jimbo and Javaid.
Just to be a dick, I refer to all the docs on our medical staff as “doc”.
Of course, I also call our (female) chaplain “Padre”.
I always use doc instead of doctor. “One in a Million Shot Doc”
When I was in the infantry, any medical type was called “doc.” If you went to the field and had an E-2 medic fresh out of the 91A school assigned to you, the whole squad invariably called him “doc.”
Having worked at a Thai-German engineering school, I can confirm this.
Jarheads are the same way. ‘ I’m Staff Sgt Goatfucker, not Sgt Goatfucker’. Yeah, well it says US Army on my blouse, E5-E7 gets addresses as “sgt”.
Bullshit. We are relaxed enough to allow you to call an E7 “Gunney”. You don’t have to call him Gunnery Sergeant Goatfucker.
*Seriously? I didn’t know the Army doggies were so loose with rank.
And Master Sgt E9’s, too. Forgot that one.
First Sgts were just that, unless you had a grizzled old school one that didn’t foam when addressed as “Top”.
And the proper way to say Sgt is to slur it so it sounds more like “Sar’nt”. I can’t imagine having to say “Yes, Sgt First Class” when speaking to the platoon Ain’t got no time for that.
My beloved Top Fenwik was a Vietnam War draftee who was a raging alcoholic but kept that in check by being an avid long-distance runner (his favorite Monday morning hangover cure was 12 – 14 mile battery run down Beach Range Road for PT).
I find the whole Lance Corporal thing fascinating. In my Army experience, corporal was sort of a dead-end rank. If you were thought likely for promotion into the NCO ranks, you went from PFC to Spec-4 to E5; if you were perceived to be uninterested in reenlisting, you went from PFC to Corporal and stayed there.
I’ve seen it used if you were in the position but not yet promoted. Or when the rule came down that only NCO’s could pick up mail. All of the platoon level RTOs became CPLs so they could do mailruns.
Nicknames are for family. I don’t have a problem with that policy, TBH.
Huh? I can’t even remember some of my friends’ real names.
My family uses my name, my friends use a truncated form of my name.
So I’m family? That’s pretty cool, man!
I was known by my last name all through high school and college. There were many people who didn’t know my first name.
Look, let me explain something to you. I’m not Mr. Lebowski. You’re Mr. Lebowski. I’m the Dude. So that’s what you call me. That, or His Dudeness … Duder … or El Duderino
I’m talking about Germany.
People all over call me Animal. I’ve carried that nickname around since about 1985. All my old Army buddies call me Animal. Lots of my present-day friends call me Animal. My wife calls me Animal.
And, yes, you can draw whatever conclusions you like from that last one.
I’ve noticed the full name thing with some of the people I work with who learned English as a second language. I don’t go by my full name, but the standard nickname. It’s in my signature, my phone, any web conference I join, and some of the people still refer to me only by my full name. I generally default to whatever name they put in the ticket/e-mail signature.
The Philippinos I work with all use nicknames with a hard to determine basis. Not related to or a shorter version of their first or last name. The Chinese typically pick a nick name to prevent the butchery of their given name.
Quite a few of the Indians (from India) that I work with go by whatever name is the least likely to get butchered by American pronunciation. Some of the names people go by I have no idea if they’re given or nicknames.
The furriners I deal with must be making an effort to fit into American culture.
Neither of the Germans I deal with seem put off by us not using “doktor,” and one of them even goes by “Andy” instead of “Andreas.”
The Japanese guy keeps signing his emails as “Katsu,” not “Kawabata.”
Ofc, these are also people looking to sell us additional equipment, so that might explain their cultural accommodation.
“Katsu” 勝つ – not sure what character(s) are used for the name can mean “to win”.
So the fact that a vendor uses it shouldn’t be surprising!
I’m kidding of course. It’s generally a female name written in hiragana. A woman in sales role for a Japanese company is a bit surprising!
Hungry for sales and cutlets!
+ 1 Kit Kat
https://kotaku.com/why-kit-kats-are-good-luck-for-japanese-students-1832417610
If it’s a customer then Dr. is used if they are a PhD. I refer to my co-workers by their first name. They are an American company so they get treated as such.
Hey UCS,
I must have been drunk last night. Amazon has informed me that I preordered Beyond the Edge of the Map and I have no memory of ordering it.
At least I stayed away from Gunbroker.
Well, if your copy shows up missing a chapter titled “Palm Coast”, let me know.
I’m going to be uploading a corrected file to Amazon well before the release date, but they had been known to send out the first file instead of the most recent when processing pre-orders before.
I should be able to get Amazon support to push the updated file if the bad file gets used when release date rolls around.
I don’t like reading books on Kindle – is there a paperback edition coming out? I didn’t see a pre-order for it.
Paperback does not have a preorder option, it will just pop up as available.
But yes, it is going to be there.
Cool, thanks
The blurb is good. Looking forward to reading it.
Sigh. Well, I think its probably safe to begin by assuming everyone is lying.
Makes it hard to know what the truth is, but OTOH, whatever happens next won’t be based on the truth anyway, so maybe it doesn’t matter.
Everyone seems to agree that a drone was shot down. The dispute is whether it was in Iranian airspace, and who knows what the truth of that is.
First question – Ignoring the position of the drone, do we even agree with the Iranians on where their airspace extends to in the abstract?
Good question, and I would bet that the answer is likely no.
There seems to be a lot of disagreement on who bombed those tankers. Even the Japanese owners of those vessels said it was not Iran. Next thing you know we’ll be bombing Iran, because Bolton showed Trump some pictures of women in skirts under the shah or something. If President Trump were smart, he’d realize that started a conflict with Iran will ensure that he loses in 2020
Well, I can see all sides having their own reasons to claim a drone was shot down, regardless of whether one actually was, so I wouldn’t even take that at face value.
As in:
IRAN: “We shot down a US drone! Death to the great Satan! We will drown all the foreign interlopers!”
US (internal): “We aren’t missing any drones, but we are looking for a reason to fuck up Iran’s shit, so let’s go with it.”
US (public): “Iran shot down a drone in international airspace, this is an act of war!”
When are these decisions ever based upon truth?
Well, there was this time when another country flew into Hawaii and blew up a bunch of our shit, killing thousands of our people.
Damned Germans. Remember the Maine!
“Let it go, he’s on a roll!”
You mean, some people did something?!
Yeah, that was crazy. I mean we were neutral. That’s why we put an embargo on oil shipments to Japan and were arming the British, but they were totally going to just return all the weaponry after the war or something.
So, you’re saying America had it coming for oppressing the peaceful Japanese Empire?
Clearly, what I’m saying is that I am a Nazi sympathizer or something and I love Tojo, too
Naw, you’re just Stalin for time.
I knew it!!
At least we know you’re a true libertarian, because Nazi.
Tojo.
they were totally going to just return all the weaponry after the war or something.
Hey now! They said “US PROPERTY” on them. That means something right?
FDR knew all about that shit before it happened and did nothing so he could finally get his war boner on.
By the time Pearl Harbor happened, the National Guard had already expired their initial 1 year call up and was on to indefinite mobilization.
FDR knew there would be an attack coming, they just weren’t sure where it would hit. They assumed someplace closer to Japan, and were genuinely surprised when Pearl Harbor was hit.
[Laughs in John McCain]
BREAKING: Feminist Libertarian Proclaims That, Yes, She Is In Fact Retarded
https://twitter.com/KatMurti/status/1141727506451619840
Cato people never want to talk about the real divide between Mises and them: war. You’ll find articles at Cato defending just about every military engagement. You won’t find any of that at Mises. But, I guess we can just pretend like Brink Lindsay didn’t write this https://reason.com/2002/10/29/no-more-9-11s-2 when he was vice president of Cato.
Honestly, I think I hate woke libertarians than the other stripes of woke. They should know better.
You would think they would know better, but by and large they don’t know much of anything. As far as I can tell, the only thing that that stupid Feminist Libertarian group does is harass Julie Borowski online and call everyone who doesn’t accept intersectional orthodoxy “racist”. What a group of shit stains
Woke ANYTHING is the fucking worst. People like that can turn absolutely anything to complete shit.
Woke libertarians first principle is being woke. Everything else lines up behind that. IOW, “just embrace that boot on your neck and it become voluntary; Libertarianism!!11!”
Her pinned Tweet reads: “Libertarianism is consent culture applied to everything.”
So yeah, she puts her Woke Faith before all else.
The larger conversation about Europeans just don’t seem to get liberty, even when they claim to be libertarians was interesting though.
Romanticism is the mind-killer.
Europe is a land of soft tyranny. The mere fact that people pretend as if the continent of burka bans and forced public schooling is part of any mythical Liberal tradition discredits liberalism more than anything.
Europe is by far my favorite example when someone says “a homogeneous white population is essential for the principles of liberalism to grow” or something stupid like that. Oh yeah, you go white people with your pronoun laws, burka bans, hate speech laws, weak property rights, and gun bans. Let’s be more like France!
Listen, you cuck libtard, he hits you because he loves you.
All of the most oppressively progressive places in the US have politics driven almost exclusively by wealthy whites.
^ THIS, SO MUCH THIS
At work, we have one gasoline powered truck. The rest are diesel.
Last night some asshole stole the catalytic converters from the truck.
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/w2IMf3LoQPi3FO-s_qBXqw.ZR5qmNVJC-YIIV1IAKgw6U
What an asshole.
All I know about catalytic converters is that they run hot and contain platinum.
And can be removed from a Dodge truck with a 9mm ratchet, but you will need an extender to get to the top bolt.
I mean, everyone knows that, right?
Palladium, actually. Platinum is only used when the Russians fuck up the palladium market, which is easy for them to do since about 70% of palladium deposits that we know of are in Russia.
Speaking of, looking at the current prices, seems to be the case. Palladium is usually about half the price of platinum, but they’ve traded places the last few months. Interesting.
How do you say “Bitch gimme some ass” in Japanese?
I can say it, but not correctly. And I’m not sure she’d understand what I meant.
Slang is really tough. Fortunately, I can usually ask my friends. Problem in this case is most of them are women…
Come on! if that is not a great way to set them up to get you some-some I don’t know what is….
I read through as much as I could bear of that Vox thing about women “gun lifestyle” influencers linked at the end of AM lynx.
Good lord. It’s loopholes, all the way down. Just get on with it. Ban guns, all of them. Then ban bb guns, and toy guns, and then anything which looks like a gun.
And then, when some woman dies at the hands of her domestic partner wielding a pointed stick, we’ll ban them, too. We’ll all be safe and happy, and live forever.
“You’ll find out” from Trump basically means “oh shit, please find me a way out of this. You don’t understand, John Bolton is scary. He’s always yelling at me. Why was I stupid enough to bring him into my cabinet.”
Honestly, situations like this are why I hope Trump watches Tucker Carlson at night. At least he doesn’t beat the war drums.
We’d be fools to react. This is mainly a Chinese problem (also a Euro and Japanese problem). The Chinese want to swing a big dick, so remind them we are pretty self-sufficient for oil, so if they want their oil to keep coming through the Straits, they need to take care of it.
Naturally, I expect us to bomb Iran instead.
His odds of re-election will sink to the low single digits if he attacks Iran, in my opinion.
You’ve seen the average Trump rally attendee?
I don’t think Trump wins the working class and therefore wins those Midwestern states by running as the more militarily aggressive of the two main party candidates.
If foreign policy skepticism were not part of his base then Tucker Carlson would not be the most watched cable news program. He knocked Trump for interfering in Venezuela at a time when even the LP was heralding regime change there. People are underestimating how well foreign policy restraint plays among working class Midwesterners.
All my life, the only commonality I heard throughout the Midwest was “tariff China” and “I don’t want my son to be sent overseas because of this nonsense”.
You’re thinking too rationally. Trump’s cult of personality is the prime directive. Cognitive dissonance is easy to deal with when you can tell yourself that you’re owning the libs.
That’s possible. No doubt cult of personality is part of his support. But, I’m not sure how strong it is. For instance, I think he’s in real danger of not winning Iowa because of his China tariffs, which impacts farmers. If nothing else, I think this action will temper support for him from rural or the exurbs of Midwest (suburbs are always down with war, because their kids don’t fight the conflicts) that he needs in order to win these states.
There is something different between him and Romney that made it possible for him to win states like PA, WI, and MI. It might be just that “Trump owns the libs”, but I’m not sure if that explains all of it.
I think he’s in real danger of not winning Iowa because of his China tariffs,
As long as the leading Dems continue to promote policies that fuck over 40-60 year old factory workers, they will not win Iowa.
There aren’t that many farmers in the state, and they’re being paid off by the feds.
It’s possible. But, all of the industry in Iowa is largely tied to farming, so it’s not so much the farmers, themselves, who will consider not voting for him so much as it is the workers in these industries who may be experiencing hours being cut back and even layoffs in some instances.
I’m not going to claim to understand this more than you, Kinnath, because you live there. I just visit there often and I have some friends who live on the eastern part of the state and I’ve noticed a marked turn against him. And generally, I’ve always viewed Iowans as more pragmatic voters rather than ideologues. But, I may be completely wrong on all points.
But, all of the industry in Iowa is largely tied to farming,
Iowa has a pretty diverse economy — manufacturing of wind mills; call centers; server farms for at least one of the big tech companies; appliance manufacturing (Whirlpool, formerly Maytag, formerly Amana), ag equipment; ag processing (ADM); etc.
Ag related is maybe 50% of economy and declining.
SKYNET!
If OMWC is hanging around — Here is a more recent version of Hey Joe from Popa.
Except for my work computer, I use Apple devices. I am liking the sound of this.
Assuming this isn’t bullshit, I’ll probably be a customer. Given that Android is written to be a data collection tool for the biggest owner of data cattle on the planet, I doubt anything like this could be done for Android.
Interesting. 10 bucks a month, though?
That is a little high. Also, quis custodian ipsos custodes?
Well, throw in the VPN and its not so bad on cost. Nobody should trust a free VPN – if you aren’t their customer (and if you aren’t paying, you aren’t), who is?
Everybody’s gotta trust somebody. I’ll be hanging back to see what the reviews/reactions are.
In general, -chan is used for babies, young children, close friends, grandparents and sometimes female adolescents.
And
ping pongtable tennis stars! Although in fairness, Ai Chan was a little kid when she first hit the spotlight.And oddly Princess Mako is generally called Mako-sama which is her first name.
I asked one of my Japanese friend if she had an official title and after a quick conversation with her husband came back with that she didn’t know. Everyone just calls her Mako-sama.
Looking at Wikipedia, there doesn’t appear to be a family name. It does list a title of Naishinnō, but I guess that isn’t a form of address?
I believe that not being a form of address is correct.
The first time I worked over there I was assigned an interpreter, about 25, cute as a ginger ale ad. She was introduced to me as (neither are her real names) Kanagaw-san, but after about three weeks I started referring to her as Mariko-chan. She grinned and giggled the first couple of times I called her that, and then just took it for granted.
HT: Raphael.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/fe/db/03fedb6c9380a66f00cce3cdbe3759b6.jpg
Don’t get me wrong – I would enjoy ahem, visiting her every night (hour) until I kill myself from exhaustion. But aesthetically speaking I would like just a tad more tone to her body.
Now is the time to call the doctor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7OemIMKj6s
I made the mistake of looking at the comments on the Oregonian Article from the AM Links comments:
Funny how the left goes full #bluelivesmatter when they are arresting/beating/shooting someone they hate. See also Mahlure WLR, Branch Davidians, etc….
Of course yearning for bondage crosses all party lines……
But still I think I found the winner…
J tap-dancing C
You owe me some brain cells, Bob.
What alternate universe does that lunatic live in?
Get some thorazine over here stat.
The police are agents of the state. That’s why the Left doesn’t actually dislike police. It dislikes that some of its members are not woke. Religious zealotry is the only correct way to understand the progressive mindset.
I think they love seeing heretics, apostates and unbelievers humiliated and destroyed and they don’t care much who’s doing it.
Like all religious zealots- punishing the infidel is central to their belief system.
So. much. this.
More than agents of the state, they are tip of the spear for true believers. Every one of their central control schemes requires a compliant private army of thugs to carry them out on an unwilling populace.
They are the holy crusaders venturing fearlessly into unfamiliar and hostile lands filled with unbelievers that must convert or die.
They only hate cops who step out of line and apply punishment equally to protected castes.
I disagree, and here’s why. It’s never the local beat cop who is counted on to bash in some heads. They’re too close to the community to destroy it. Sure, after power is consolidated, the cops may be useful. However, at the start they’re just in the way. Leftist violence always starts with a bussed in mob. From there, they predictably lament that the cops are overwhelmed and that a paramilitary force is required to help.
as another commenter pointed out, Boquist’s in the valley. armed state troopers move in and the militia will be called.
I doubt it. And it’s all moot. Just need to round up 2 or 3 Republican senators, there’s quorum and the cap & trade scam becomes law.
There is no Second Amendment guarantee to a CLL.
The right to . . . bear arms shall not be infringed?
There is actually a Second Amendment right to carry concealed without any license at all. Totally unprotected/unenforced of course. The ink must have faded on SCOTUS’s copy.
Technically, only the right to bear arms cannot be infringed, not to bear concealed, so I imagine under a strict interpretation all jurisdictions would be required to allow either open carry OR concealed carry, but would not have to allow both.
only the right to bear arms cannot be infringed, not to bear concealed,
Banning concealed carry is a limitation, and thus an infringement, on the right to bear arms.
Allowing it under license is also a limitation on the right to bear arms, as you are still prohibited unless you have a license.
A license is nothing more than a prohibition wrapped in a bureaucracy.
Anyone who believes Apple allowed this on their app store without some kind of a backdoor is an idiot.
https://guardianapp.com/blog/2019/06/introducing-guardian-firewall-for-ios/
If you had to sideload it from a third party, I might be more likely to believe their claims.
Maybe. But my understanding is that Apple is in the hardware business. Not the data-harvesting business.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they dabbled in that too.
Apple has been better than any other Big Tech company when it comes to privacy.
OT as fuck:
So my company was bought out by a Singaporean telecommunications company a couple of years ago but this year they have really taken control of the reins. So the new CFO outlined what his vision was and basically said that some of the accounting positions would be transferred to our Poland HQ. They gave us some mealy mouthed reason but us being accountants know they are doing so because they can pay some accountant in Poland half than what we make here in the states. What they are doing now is if a Staff Accountant leaves or is promoted, they put the job vacancy on Jobvite for the Poland site. They aren’t going to let us all go right away but I think that in a year or two for those who are left and didn’t get the message, will be let go.
So I got to brush off and update that dusty ol’resume.
Sorry to hear that. I hope someone asked the CFO “how many poles does it take to do the work of one American accountant?” At least that would have lightened the mood
LOL.
The CFO is a good guy but they have to find somewhere to cut costs and I guess my area is on the list.
It doesn’t bother me the least bit because for a while now, I’ve been wanting to move and do something a little different and challenging.
If you are leaving Illinois then I am very jealous
Don’t believe OMWC; its not that hot in AZ.
*checks thermometer*
Alright, it is. But its a dry heat!
Actually, its pretty tolerable as long you stay out of the sun.
Good luck on the job hunt. If you make your way back to Ohio, it’ll be nice to have someone else from the North coast instead of all these Mid-Ohio people.
They will need local people to work with the business units and work local time as well as coordinate with Poland.
Your other option, if possible, is to try to tee up one of those roles.
Oh man. It’s already a clusterfuck. I thought they were going to fly in the new staffers from Poland into Chicago and we trained them but nope, they want us to train them through telecommunications. It can work but some of the stuff we do is somewhat technical and would be much easier if the person was flown in for two weeks for training and then go back to Poland.
Or the other way. Who wouldn’t want a pierogi vacation?
But, that would require entering the EU.
It only burns the first time.
It can work
Barely. Maybe.
Sorry to hear that. The job search sucks. Good luck and keep us posted.
Kind of like how the mothership that took over my company prioritized its low-paid IT developer staff in Ohio and let the NYC staff go. I’ve seen their operation there – all I can say is “good luck with that”.
Sorry to hear that Ed but I think you’re wise to take the hint and start lining up the next thing now rather than waiting it out. Sounds like they made the strategy clear.
Sorry Ed. Didn’t you just land there not too long ago?
It’ll be a year in July. But it’s a good thing because while I like everyone there, revenue accounting isn’t what I really want to do.
My old company outsourced almost all of IT to India. I’m sure it saved the company zillions, but the service suffered horribly.
It saved the company in visible costs, but racked up invisible costs in lost productivity and downtime.
Sorry Ed. Best wishes for your job hunt.
Good luck, man.
I hope you knock it out of the park (and get the fuck out of there)!
Ruh-roh.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article231618473.html
“They also waged an aggressive straw man campaign against socialism, casting their opponents, including the centrist Nelson, as leftists in the mold of Fidel Castro and Nicolás Maduro.”
Straw man? ORLY? No need to “cast” modern Dems as socialists, they proudly proclaim it.
They’re Democratic socialists get it right!!!
“It’s OK to call all Republicans fascists, because, well, reasons, but to call a party that has open socialists within its ranks socialists is damn offensive”
The corporate press is the enemy of the people
Yee-Haw?
Yikes, marketing fail.
I don’t know, it is for the UK crowd. They probably don’t know anything about Kansas City.
Just cover the wrapper with gun silhouettes and call it a day.
One of the bars I visited in Dublin had a bartender, who after learning we were from Ohio, responded with, “Go Buckeyes!”
After ordering a pint, we asked him if he knew what a Buckeye was. He admitted he didn’t, but the staff at the bar had been trained with a different greeting for each of the US states.
The girlfriend won a bar bet with someone who was quite certain that Ohio bordered Wisconsin, and did not share a border with Canada.
Geographic ignorance is all around, and can be quite entertaining at times.
Water Borders don’t Count!
We’re in the border control search zone regardless of your beliefs.
That’s nothing special, that covers the entire country as far as I can tell.
Once space tourism starts, that vertical height put everything well within the 100 mile Constitution free zone.
Well over half of the states in the US have at least some part of their state north of the Canada’s southern border.
http://www.barelybad.com/north_of_canada_map.htm#states_entirely_north
Eh, it’s just the UK version of the silly “Spanish” and “Australian” items McD is selling here.
Everything’s up to date in Kansas City.
Say, I know where I’ve seen things like this before… now where was it…. oh right! India!
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/01/17/storm-toxic-discharge-waterways/
How dare you say India is home to toxic discharge, xenophobic bigot!
/socjus
Cali needs to relax their zoning laws and allow flophouses and ultracheap hotels to reopen. That’d solve ninety percent of the issue right there.
We’ve had issues with that here in Ohio. It doesn’t help that it’s been almost constantly raining these past couple months. There’s been some flooding and flash flood warnings almost every day for the past couple weeks.
That’s not good, Lake Erie was up on some of the roads when I was in the area.
Yeah, there’s been heavy flooding in Summit county (near Akron), and up in the Cleveland area, there’s now standing water on some roads.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2019/june/19/even-libertarians-believe-the-russian-collusion-nonsense/
“tHe lIBeRtaRiAN pArTY oPpOSes tHe InTeLliGeNce cOmMuNIty” (but only when it’s popular to do so)
What kind of galaxy brain requires you to accept the intelligence community’s talking points at face value?
WTF is with that Sarwark guy and htf does he keep getting elected? What’s wrong with the LP is wrong all the way thru.
Also
PAULISTA GOOBER BULLY!!!
What’s startling to me is the Sarwark thought this was a smart take. “Muh…how can you say these things when the intelligence community disagrees *send tweet*”.
You can always tell a war is afoot, because cosmos start scrambling to wrap themselves in the flag. And then when that war becomes unpopular and the cosmos start virtue signaling their sudden opposition to said war we all have to pretend like they didn’t go all neocon at the beginning. Rinse and repeat.
Dumb takes seem to be his trademark. How he’s taken seriously is beyond me. I hope Dave Smith thoroughly humiliates him in their upcoming debate.
Yeah, he’s not as stupid as Ocasio-Cortez, but practically nobody is.
The national LP is a sad joke at this point.
I imagine it will be similar to his comedy set that he did when Cato and Mises debated fiat currency versus specious currency.
It was brutal and, in part, completely uncalled for, but funny.
It was a debate about fractional reserve banking (my mistake).
The Reason link cut out his stand-up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLCa7maGZA&t=40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhak2KhN66A
This link has it. Starts at the 3 minute mark
The LP is a bad joke, played by grifters, on idiots.
How anyone can look at Clapper and Brennan and not think “these are lying scumbags” amazes me. Their faces have settled into that smug shitweasel “I am above the law” expression after so long being untouchable.
Especially Brennan. Holy shit does that guy have some balls to act as self-righteous as he does given the number of illegal things he’s done and lied about under oath.
He’s the epitome of why we need to bring back tar and feathering….
I have to disagree.
Getting the tar and feathers out of your woodchipper is a major PITA.
Good point. We’ll slather him in 5W 30 instead
WD-40? STEVE SMITH GET EXCITED!
We hear all the time that owning the libs is a thing. Perhaps, this is owning the trumpkins.
#reason
Except it was directed at Ron Paul. So I guess it’s “own the consist libertarians who don’t bow down to the intelligence community”. Sarwark is literally cancer
*consistent
I don’t doubt that Russia thinks it’s interfering in our elections. Or that they would dearly like to. That’s what enemies do. And while we may think they’re toothless, have no doubt we are their enemy (or at least Putin’s).
Unless Russia actually hacked into our voting machines and changed votes, it didn’t “interfere” in our elections. It is amazing to me that people think Photoshop, social media, and memes are some sort of mass Hypnotron, capable of brainwashing entire swaths of people. Like those Iowan 40-60 year old factory workers that kinnath wrote about upthread were all set to vote for Hillary Clinton before they saw a cartoon frog in their Facebook feed. It is ridiculous. Individuals on both sides take this whole social media bullshit way, way too seriously and overestimate its importance and influence in the greater society.
I cannot believe that this point even needs to be argued. Sick memes does not equate to election interference. And the memes were pretty shitty too.
The amazing thing is that if that counts as election interference then every time Facebook blocks Gavin McInness or some other pro-Trump personality then they too have partaken in election interference. It’s nonsensical.
Are you telling me that Satan really wasn’t pulling for Hillary?!
Haha. That meme is so hilariously bad.
If people want to look at real election interference maybe they should look at who funded and agitated for the Ukrainian protests that toppled the pro-Russia government.
You can acknowledge that Russia is bad and still have the state of mind to ponder “why would a government located thousands of miles away from our shores view us as an adversary?”
It’s about friction on our Alaskan/Siberian border, coupled with Russian nationalists’ revanchist desire to reclaim Russian America.
You troll too well
Well, that’s why you have mouthbreathing NatPops arguing that posting on social media is a “civil right”.
They’re also really, really unhappy with us.
eh, fuck em
I think big tech is a threat. But as of yet, big tech can’t throw my ass in jail.
As I have said before, “But it’s haaaarddddd…..” is not an argument that’s going to get me to change my principles.
Yes, and I’m not suggested that this is what you are doing, but some people seem to think that criticizing private business is somehow a violation of principle which is nonsensical.
Also, I am not very apt to listen to bake the cake libertarians who are suddenly all about freedom of association. Sorry, you said bake the cake.
I agree with your point, though, even if I dislike some of the messengers
“Like those Iowan 40-60 year old factory workers that kinnath wrote about upthread were all set to vote for Hillary Clinton before they saw a cartoon frog in their Facebook feed. It is ridiculous.”
I’ve had to work very hard to maintain a straight face when fellow academics solemnly assure me that Facebook ads were responsible for both the Trump presidency and Brexit. Of course, it’s consistent with the majority of academics believing most other people are stupid.
Well, most other people are stupid. Astoundingly so. Granted, this stupidity is often domain-specific. As such, this is true whether that person is “gown” or “town”. This is why people should have as little control over other people as possible.
We have a winner!
Relevant (pls excuse the LP logo though): https://www.flickr.com/photos/caveman_92223/8469942866
Individuals on both sides take this whole social media bullshit way, way too seriously and overestimate its importance and influence in the greater society.
I agree. It’s nuts how political types seem to think a handful of assholes on Twitter constitute a huge mass movement.
What people meant by Russian interference was always uncertain. Many could find a comfortable niche somewhere: hacking into voting machines, Facebook memes, hacking the DNC server and delivering emails to Wikileaks. A variety of options. And if one was confronted that some of them were utterly ridiculous, then they could always jump to another interpretation of the interference.
Red Diaper Babies, the Next Generation
Is that like “The Red Shoe Diaries” but with more diarrhea?
More struggle sessions and class enemy persecution
“Our goal is to provide a free, safe and encouraging space for youth to learn, express themselves, and engage critically with the issues they encounter individuals and as a group. We strive to help them cultivate the necessary tools to be active members of our communities through experiences of collective decision-making and democratic education. At camp, youth of all ages play a leadership role alongside adult counselors and make collective decisions about the activities and format of the day. Each day opening and closing assemblies provide a space for youth and counselors to democratically plan activities for the day, resolve conflicts, and build interpersonal leadership skills.”
IOW we’ll teach them to despise individualism, subvert their will to that of the mob and to shun critical thinking…..
I weep for the kids born to parents who would subject them to this.
So, verbal diarrhea.
I’m currently reading this: https://www.amazon.com/Bravest-Battle-Twenty-eight-Warsaw-Uprising-ebook/dp/B0023NVA2E/ref=sr_1_22?keywords=warsaw+ghetto&qid=1561056845&s=gateway&sr=8-22
Polish resistance outside the ghetto refused to arm a particular Jewish militia within the ghetto b/c they were communists linked to the Soviets. a real enemy-of-my-enemy quandary. at what point does the Dem party assess the Marxists as not worth the liability?
I think a better question might be “at what point do the Marxists conclude the Dem Party is surplus to requirements”.
Will you review it next week on the book thread?
sure. it’s enlightening. i think one of the militia kills some judenrats. i’ve never watched Schindler’s List but the German businessmen in Warsaw who employed Jewish labor at their factories are not painted in a glowing light.
it’s mostly about either starving and death by despair or going out with a bang and “GODDAMMIT WE NEED MORE GUNS AND AMMO”.
What denomination is hosting this abomination?
Says on the flyer it’s a non-religious group that is just using the church facility.
Which will probably be vandalized as the camp wraps up.
“As our final training session we’re going to practice our brick throwing and club wielding. Don’t worry about breaking anything kids, this facility belongs to the same people we’ll be purging someday. Who wants to smash some stained glass?”
From said group’s website:
“Budding Roses is a volunteer-run collective of educators, students, and activists who provide free social justice summer camps and year-round workshops for Portland-area youth in 4th-8th grade…
Daily Activities
Include a combination of community-building activities, discussions on social justice topics, interactive workshops, movies, arts, games, and free time. Workshops and discussions are often held in collaboration with local activists and community organizations. In the past two summers, we have worked with the Burgerville Workers Union, Critical Resistance PDX, the Transformative Lenses Collective, and DUG (Deep Underground)!..
With funding from the Black Rose Anarchist Federation, an online fundraising campaign, and in-kind donations of space, supplies, and services we were able to offer two hot meals a day, school supplies, and a back-to-school haircut for youth last summer.”
Their reading list includes “Pedagogy of the Oppressed.”
With funding from the Black Rose Anarchist Federation
I wonder where they get their money.
Well, THEIR website doesn’t say but check out the flyer near the top of the home page: http://blackrosefed.org/
Also, “Libertarian Socialism” who want “a world where people collectively control their own workplaces, communities and land and where all basic needs are met.”
“Well you get a choice between going along or being lined up against the wall, so it’s voluntary socialism”
“Also, “Libertarian Socialism”
Ah, so the LP is sponsoring this?
Rhymes with “Ouroboros”.
They may regret this when they find out the first project is to organize a pro-choice rally.
I doubt the Episcopalians will mind.
Episcopalian. Where’s my shocked face at? I guess the summer camp is a bit too right wing for the Unitarians.
https://spsppdx.org/
Antifa formed in the 1930s to oppose the rise of the Nazi party and to try to bring a Marxist revolution to Germany.
I think the socialists/marxists/commies were already trying to do that before the Nazis. If anything, Naziism has its roots in reaction to the commies.
Antifa formed in the 1930s
I seriously doubt that. Sure, the German Communist Party was formed back then, and their black-shirted street thugs are the ideological and tactical forebears of antifa, but I would be amazed if there was a direct organizational link with antifa.
The Germans had a Communist Party since the end of the Great War, and the end result was voting for Nazis over commies by the 30s
Yup few people know Bavaria was briefly a failed socialist state after the great war.
I saw a book written by an obvious supported in the media about Antifa and it’s origins being in 1930’s Germany on Amazon. I’m not Derpologist so no way I’m subjecting myself to that drek and I certainly wasn’t going to give them my money (although I find their specious participation in Capitalism to be problematic), but I too am skeptical their is any connection beyond “they fought Fascists Nazi’s, we fight fascist Nazi’s” (Nazi’s being anyone they disagree with).
It Seems the German people were more fearful of the Commies, the Industrialists also liked what the Nazis had to offer, and Propaganda. the fact is in 1932, the Nazis won a minority of seats in the Reichtag, then the real work began….
Utter and complete bullshit
That said, yes they do share a lot of the violent tendencies of their communist forebears.
I think the socialists/marxists/commies were already trying to do that before the Nazis.
The Bavarian Soviet Republic says hi. It should be noted that the BSR was founded (and overthrown) in 1919, and the Beer Hall Putsch took place in 1923.
The Beer Hall Putsch took place in Bavaria, BTW.
Also BSR was hilariously bad. It’s a shame that it’s rarely mentioned when talking about the failures of socialism.
The passive voice is widely used in Japanese as compared to English.
Absolutely! And it still trickles into design-for-quality and problem-solving . . . which sounds unwilling to get to the bottom of things to western team-mates. Contrast with Germans who will tell you that you were simply incompetent . . . . so: where should we go for lunch?
And yet, Toyota developed the 5 Whys (in the context of manufacturing), Kawasaki developed Ishikawa diagrams, and Japanese industry as a whole adopted Deming’s ideas well before they were commonly accepted in the US.
no doubt . . . that’s precisely what I mean by design-for-quality and problem-solving: I would be much less the man if it weren’t for the Japanese firms I’ve worked for and their techniques
Lean management (the Toyota system) is very much focussed on the process, not the people. Saying “the problem is so-and-so won’t do X” is not something that you really do. Saying it will just get you assigned another “5 Why” exercise. In that sense, it is kind of passive, and I find it interesting that their language (and thus, IMO, their thought processes) are biased that way compared to ours.