Thursday Afternoon Links

After yesterday’s SF horror double feature, I bet you’re ready for some nice, boring links. #MeToo.

I think this sentence is about right. The defendant didn’t set out to kill anyone that day, but he certainly provoked a confrontation and then shot a man who did not appear to be engaging him once he was down on his ass. “An armed society is a polite society” needs to go for the gun carriers as much as those who would be dissuaded from being impolite by others carrying.

God, I love humanity.

News to absolutely no one who knows cats.

I’ll admit it. I’m jealous.

 

Shit it’s been a long week. I wanna be higher than Elvis in this video. But I’ll probably just drink a couple of beers tonight and call it good.

Comments

361 responses to “Thursday Afternoon Links”

  1. Tres Cool

    You wanna be handicapped? I’ll make ya handicapped !

    /BLAM

    1. Tres Cool

      …and I oop

    2. AlmightyJB

      He was going to shoot somebody eventually.

  2. Yusef Adama

    Howdy!

    1. Tres Cool

      HEY YUFUS

  3. Count Potato

    “Climate denial (and lately, anti-Thunberg memes) also crops up among the Flat Earth community, which believes the planet is a flat disc, probably covered by a dome. For some Flat Earthers, climate denial is part of a cohesive worldview that claims most of the world’s ills are actually hoaxes. This set of Flat Earthers claim that the people involved in covering up Earth’s true pizza-like shape are also lying about climate change and the existence of free, unlimited energy. It doesn’t help that climate change is sometimes called “global warming.””

    It’s nuts all the way down.

    1. Plinker762

      We are living in the age of science!

    2. Rhywun

      That whole dumpster fire of an article is a campaign telling the smart set that “climate deniers” are no saner than flat-earthers and the chemtrail nutters. All of whom are “far right conspiracists”, by the way.

      1. Chafed

        The quotes from the psychology professor were telling. There is no rational reason to doubt climate change. Yeah, ok. Thanks for telling us it is beyond debate doctor science.

  4. Plinker762

    Finally, good news from Mexico.

  5. AlmightyJB

    The worst thing about cats is they don’t bark. The best thing about cats is they don’t bark.

    1. Plinker762

      Thet know the rules; shelter in place until the authorities arrive.

      1. Chafed

        That made laugh.

      2. Juan-Baptiste Emmanuel Seguin

        CAT CAFE STRONG

  6. Count Potato

    “The 29-year-old unified welterweight champion was rushed to a Dallas-area hospital early Thursday morning and is expected to recover. ”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7560141/Horrifying-security-video-shows-moment-champion-boxer-Errol-Spence-Jr-rolls-Ferrari.html

    wow

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      I’ve watched that video about a dozen times over and I still can’t figure out how he survived, let alone survived and will apparently fully recover.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        It must be the peerless Italian engineering that kept him alive.

        1. R C Dean

          Since Ferraris are traditionally wrecked by first-time owners as they leave the dealership, I would expect they actually have pretty good safety engineering.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            Italian engineering takes a ridiculous bad rap.

          2. Mad Scientist

            Fix It Again, Tony!

      2. Tundra

        Looks like he was ejected. Ironically that may have saved him.

        I’ve said it before: every dude thinks he’s great at driving, shooting and fucking. He’s wrong.

        I don’t understand why these fuckheads don’t take their supercars to the track and take a lesson or two. It’s not even that expensive!!

        1. A Leap at the Wheel

          I am not a good driver.

          1. Tundra

            Which is why you ride shotgun 😉

        2. TARDIS

          driving, shooting and fucking

          Those should be required classes in High School; Along with Critical Thinking. Although shooting and fucking should probably be separated.

          1. A Leap at the Wheel

            ATFE SHOULD BE AN ELECTIVE< NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!!!!!11111

          2. The Last American Hero

            Especially for the homeschool crowd.

        3. Mad Scientist

          The track is SO MUCH cheaper than trying to go fast on the street.

          1. Tundra

            There was a great Top Gear segment where Hammond took out a no-shit F1 car for a couple laps. Even a guy who has spent half his life in fast cars was terrified and kept fucking up.

          2. Mad Scientist

            I remember he couldn’t even get the tires up to temp.

          3. Tundra

            And brakes. Those things are insane.

          4. Mad Scientist

            Every time I take my car to the track it takes me a few laps to calibrate my brain to the brakes. The track car stops a LOT faster than the F350 I’m used to driving. An F1 car would make my track car’s brakes seem like a garbage truck’s.

          5. Tundra

            Did you go out last weekend? How did it run?

          6. Mad Scientist

            Yeah, but I didn’t get to drive it. My teammate ran about 15 laps and then it died on the front straight. Seems to be an issue with an open ground to the coils which I haven’t isolated yet, because I’ve been too busy tinkering with the Spitfire.

          7. Tundra

            Nice!

            Email me some progress pics if you are of a mind.

          8. Mad Scientist

            Done!

          9. OneOut

            Supercars’s live are ultra documented these days.

            Especially with the advent of vinwiki.

            In many cases taking your car to the track can void the warranty.

            For example: warranties can be purchased on some Mclarens.

            If you take your car to a track it is immediately void. The documentation is such these days yu can’t hide a track day from Mclaren.

        4. Tulip

          After the first 5 years, I was a pretty good driver of my trans am. I was really good at the end when I’d had it for 15 years. I knew exactly how it would respond to what I was doing. I am an ok driver of my Rav 4.

          1. Tundra

            What year T/A?

          2. Tulip

            1995. Sold it when I bought the Rav 4. My dad was horrified, but it was never practical and starting to need about $1k maintenance a year.

        5. Re driving in general: I have found myself at that “familiarity breeds contempt breeds car wrecks if you don’t fucking pay attention” stage of my driving life.

          I don’t text or anything else while I drive, but my mind wanders and I let muscle memory take over. I’ve done some stupid shit lately. Small things. Still stupid.

          1. Tundra

            Situational awareness plummets when most of us climb behind the wheel. The fact that you are ware of it puts you light years ahead of most.

      1. Shirley Knott

        So easy a caveman could do it.

  7. Certified Public Asshat

    Playoff baseball comes to our backyard. pic.twitter.com/mKVxw7FPbI— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) October 10, 2019

    Heart attack shmartattack. This man can still crush it.

    1. A Leap at the Wheel

      “Playing baseball without being shot. Way to show off your Democratic Lawmaker privileged there Bernie.”
      -Steve Scalise

      1. R C Dean

        Quick, somebody with a Twitter account post that in the replies.

        1. Florida Man

          Playa owns a Twitter.

        2. Unreconstructed

          Done.

          1. R C Dean

            Danke.

    2. I found the missing final scene of yesterday’s H&H. Hillary’s appearance.

  8. Count Potato

    “A pair of Florida businessmen who worked with Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani to promote politically-charged investigations in Ukraine were arrested on federal campaign finance charges as they tried to flee the country, it was revealed Thursday.

    Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who were each born in former Soviet Republics, assisted Giuliani’s effort to get Ukraine to investigate his theory about the 2016 elections, and also help Giuliani’s effort to dig up dirt on a company tied to the Bidens in Ukraine.

    The two men cultivated ties with a series of top Republican officials. They had dinner with President Trump and Donald Trump Jr. in 2018, and Parnas bragged about dining with the president at the White House that year.

    Giuliani has said both are clients of his.

    In an indictment unsealed Thursday in the Southern District of New York, the men are accused of funneling $325,000 from a mystery Russian businessman into America First Action, a pro-Trump super PAC in violation of U.S. campaign laws banning foreign donations and efforts to conceal campaign funds.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7558955/Florida-businessmen-tied-Rudy-Giulianis-Ukraine-effort-arrested-campaign-finance-charges.html

    1. Dr. Fronkensteen

      They got Trump now.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Well if somebody was going to fuck up, it would be Guiliani.

    2. leon

      Geeze. Trump sounds like a bad dude. No wonder they want to impeach him.

      1. grrizzly

        That captures well the public opinion.

    3. Bobarian LMD

      There is no way that the Southern District of New York would conduct a politically motivated indictment, is there?

      1. Sean

        Nope. Never, ever.

      2. Trials and Trippelations

        If this is, it would be the first

    4. Tonio

      SDNY anti-corruption unit is Preet’s old shop. He still looms large even though in private practice.

      1. Rhywun

        This is the same outfit going after Trump’s tax returns. I’m sure they still find time for their usual pursuit of shaking down Wall Street, too.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      ; ‘ , . / : ” ?

      1. You gotta pump those brakes when I post a period. It just means I’m going back and editing my comment with a link because I can’t be arsed to remember how to do it in the regular comment box.

    2. Plinker762

      They already had a wracked out bird that had hallucinations

      1. Count Potato

        When they released the old episodes on DVD they said they weren’t safe for children.

    3. Sesame Street is woke AF. I didn’t see that coming when HBO bought it, but here we are.

  9. Tres Cool

    Higher Education update, via Dave Barry. He commented “Well at least he didnt waste it“.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      There’s no higher education bubble.

      1. Certified Public Asshat

        He was just filtering the funds back through to the students.

        1. A Leap at the Wheel

          He’s supporting working mothers.

    2. Jarflax

      at least they punished the professor:

      “He was also banned from federal contracting for six months.”

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Oh for fucks’s sake

        1. Chafed

          They really dropped the hammer on him.

      2. Tres Cool

        “Drexel University said it will pay the U.S. government $189,062 to settle claims a former professor spent federal grant funds…”

        At least the school has deep pockets.

        1. Viking1865

          Tuition is going up an extra 20 bucks for every undergrad student.

          1. Jarflax

            Some of them can pay it in singles

    3. Bobarian LMD

      The hero we need!

  10. leon

    <emMexican mayor dragged through streets by angry villagers on truck

    Libertarian Moment?

    Locals were reportedly unhappy that he has failed to deliver on a campaign promise to repair an important local road.

    There are no Roads in Libertopia.

    1. Dr. Fronkensteen

      A US politician was showing a Mexican politician a bridge. He said you see that bridge there. I got 15% of the money earmarked for it. The Mexican politician nods his head and seems impressed. Later the US politician goes to visit the Mexican politician. The Mexican politician show his counterpart a river valley. He says. “You see that bridge there?” The US politician says there is no bridge there. The Mexican politician says 100%.

    2. Francisco d’Anconia

      There are no Roads in Libertopia.

      Because of the flying cars.

      1. Mad Scientist

        I want my Mr. Fusion!

        1. TARDIS

          I used to want that too. Since I know I’m not getting one, I want a replicator instead. Might as well dream big.

          1. Tundra

            I want the ability to get a new body like in Altered Carbon.

          2. TARDIS

            Aren’t they just used cars?

          3. Mad Scientist

            Used cars you can’t get out of that their previous owners have taken to places and done things with…that you don’t want to think about.

  11. Certified Public Asshat

    Big day of negotiations with China. They want to make a deal, but do I? I meet with the Vice Premier tomorrow at The White House.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2019

    Oh you tease.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Trump vs Xinnie the Pooh, one on one basketball. Winner takes all.

      1. Jarflax

        I say we buy the Mongols a few thousand tanks, a few million rifles, ammo, arty and sit back with some popcorn and see what happens.

        1. The Last American Hero

          They did pretty good with composite bows and horses. Imagine guns and tanks.

      2. Certified Public Asshat

        Tigger vs. Pooh?

        1. Bobarian LMD

          The most wonderful thing about Tiggers?

          He’s the only one.

      3. Trials and Trippelations

        Trump vs Xinnie the Pooh

        Nice!

  12. Rebel Scum

    A beloved cat cafe was burglarized Saturday in Birmingham, Alabama, and the cats did exactly what you’d expect a bunch of cats to do: They sat and watched.

    Cats are assholes. I’ve watched mine jump on to the nightstand and proceed to deliberately push my phone off of it onto the floor.

    1. Cats ARE assholes. Fuzzy ones.

      1. TARDIS

        Where is RA Heinlein when you need him? Or is she a her?

    2. PBRstreetgang

      What is a “cat cafe”? Does this mena the cats: a) employees; b) the clientele; c) atmospheric accoutrements; or d) menu items?

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Like all multiple choice questions, the answer is (c)

      2. Jarflax

        I assume a bordello that has coffee.

        1. Red flocked-velvet walls FTW!

      3. Gender Traitor

        Coffee shop with cats milling about, available for adoption. There’s a fairly new one in Dayton, but I’ve not been there.

        1. Tonio

          It’s where lonely cat women go when they are out-of-town. Sane people, including most cat owners, avoid such places.

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          L

        2. PBRstreetgang

          Not a cat person, so a pass from me. But good on anyone that loves animals this much.

          1. R C Dean

            Yeah, I file this under “harmless eccentricity”, which earns it minor karma points in my mind.

      4. Mad Scientist

        If we had one of these in my town, my wife would not only prefer it to Starbucks, but she’d need to go get coffee 5 times a day.

    3. Spartacus

      I always know when someone is coming up the driveway because ours come scrambling down the hall looking for a hiding place. There’s no way anyone could approach the house without our knowing it. After that its up to me and Mr. Shotgun.

      1. Florida Man

        I always have coffee before Mr Shotgun!

      2. Tulip

        Mine runs TO the door, ready to claw and bite the intruder if they show any signs of petting him. Except Kristen. Kristen is the Oscar whisperer

  13. A Leap at the Wheel

    Re: Michael Drejka

    1) You can go watch his interrogation on youtube. He uses some pretty clingy “force multiplier” and “21 food rule” shit.

    2) I always interpreted the polite society as an admonition for those who are armed that they must be polite and deescalate when others are impolite, not the alternative meaning where armed people will shoot you if you are impolite. But its been a long time since I read whatever book that came out of and the details are fuzzy atm.

    1. I’ve always understood it as the “mutually-assured destruction” principle at the individual level. If you live in a society where anyone can use lethal force against you with relative ease, the smart play is to avoid conflict as much as possible. Michael Drejka is the target of that saying; if the victim had been armed, or if Drejka believed he–or really his wife–had been armed, I doubt he would’ve picked the fight.

    2. Bob Boberson

      At any rate I’m very happy with that sentencing. That dude willfully took a life when he absolutely did not have to. I hope he’s haunted by the face of the life he took.

    3. peachy rex

      If it’s Heinlein you’re thinking of, he definitely meant it in the “don’t be a dick or someone will ventilate you sooner rather than later” sense.

  14. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    *The Awful Story of How Disney Submitted to China* PART II
    Xi: 张自拍 你了
    Translator: He say “Goofy too- come in- undress”

    Mickey Mouse: Ah…Goofy too?

    Translator: You no understand? Goofy- big dog- get him- he undress too

    Mickey Mouse: But…but…Goofy’s just a stupid dog, he can’t….

    Translator: *raises hand* GOOFY- UNDRESS- NOW!

    Mickey Mouse: *cowering* Ah, yes, sir, Mr. Chairman, sir

    *Goofy enters room*

    Goofy: Garwash…Minnie, you got your clothes off *laughs like an idiot*

    Micky Mouse: Ah, Goofy, I’d like you to meet Mr. Chairman Xi. He flew in from China

    Goofy: From China? Garwash, that’s a long trip. Your arms must be tired *laughs like an idiot*

    Xi: 他为什么笑得像个白痴

    Translator: He ask “why this dog laugh like idiot?”

    Mickey Mouse: Mr. Chairman, Goofy’s just a stupid dog. He doesn’t understand

    Xi: 让狗脱下衣服

    Translator: He say “dog take clothes off now- bend over desk, next to sexy mouse”

    Goofy: Garwash, this is a weird game. *laughs like an idiot*

    *Translator slaps Goofy*

    Translator: You take clothes off now- bend over desk, next to sexy mouse

    Goofy: *laughs like an idiot* Well, let’s see here. How do I get these suspenders off *laughs like an idiot*

    *Xi pushes Goofy down over desk and strips off his clothes*

    Goofy: Garwsh, awfully aggressive aren’t we Mr. Chairman *laughs like an idiot*

    Translator: *bends down to eye level with Goofy* Do not be afraid, Mr. Chairman has special lubricant made from the tears of Uygher Muslims

    Goofy: GARWSH! *laughs like an idiot*

    Mickey Mouse: *winces* It’s OK, Goofy. After this we’ll get that slave labor we need along with the harvested organs to reanimate Walt

    Xi: *loud grunting*

    Goofy: GARWSH! *laughs like an idiot*

    Mickey Mouse: *turns away*

    Translator: *grabs Mickey Mouse by the chin* After Mr. Chairman is finished with your dog and the sexy mouse, he want you give him Pooh bear

    Mickey Mouse: No, please…Pooh is one of our most profitable assets

    Translator: Mr. Pooh is a thought criminal and you will bring him to Mr. Chairman or no slave labor and no harvested organs

    1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Sorry, last one.

      1. Tres Cool

        I was expecting Goofy to become an entree.

      2. A Leap at the Wheel

        That was a lot of work for a fucking goofy pun.

      3. Gustave Lytton

        Don’t be sorry. Why aren’t you submitting those and give SF a run for his money?

    2. Tonio

      Where is Kmele saying “what the fuck is wrong with you?”

      But I like your little sketches. That’s how Sug’s work started out was in the comments. But TOS didn’t publish satire, unlike here.

      1. Caput Lupinum

        But TOS didn’t publish good satire, unlike here

        FTFY.

        1. R C Dean

          I would have gone with “didn’t intentionally publish satire”.

          1. Shirley Knott

            +1

      2. Bobarian LMD

        But TOS didn’t publish satire

        Maybe we just haven’t been reading Shikha correctly?

    3. Juvenile Bluster

      What state do you live in and does anyone know anything about involuntary psychiatric holds because I think you need it

      1. Ozymandias
      2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        I really should be committed. Questioning the Chicoms while calling yourself libertarian make no sense. If you read Vichy libertarian publications, business kowtowing to the Chicoms is the tits.

        I’ve learned the error of my ways. I believe in freedom and individual rights and that isn’t compatible with being a libertarian and that’s why I don’t identify as such anymore.

      3. R C Dean

        does anyone know anything about involuntary psychiatric holds

        *raises hand*

        1. Tundra

          Dr Chet could weigh in, except for the fact that PG&E just transported him back to the 19th century…

    4. Florida Man

      So what is the deal with Winnie the Pooh and China? I missed it.

      1. Florida Man

        Never mind. Found it. Also…dumb.

        1. Remember, next time someone talks about how amazing China is and what a proud history blah blah blah, they passed laws banning comparing the leader of the country to Winnie the Pooh. That is the king of all bitch moves.

          1. Florida Man

            You know, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone says “China is great because of X”.

          2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            You don’t read CATO or Jeffrey Tucker’s articles.

          3. Florida Man

            No. I don’t consume any news outside of Glibertarians.

          4. AlmightyJB

            Tom Friedman loves him some Chicoms.

  15. Florida Man

    IRT climate change.

    https://youtu.be/ztninkgZ0ws

    Interesting video on climate change from PBS’s Spacetime.

    1. Fatty Bolger

      “Is an Ice Age Coming?”

      If the answer isn’t “almost certainly, but we don’t know when” then they’re full of shit.

  16. Count Potato

    “To avoid nudity, 1 must embrace pants. 4 without pants, u freeze in the winter, due 2 pantslessness.”

    https://twitter.com/ArianaGrande/status/238294832420892672

    1. Certified Public Asshat

      Throwback Thursday I see.

    2. Rhywun

      “i luv u plz follow me” repeated 1000x

      Kill me.

      1. Florida Man

        Kill me.-

        Like right now or do you want it to be a surprise?

      2. Kill me.

        Kinda tied up at the moment. Can you get somebody else to do it?

      3. TARDIS

        No killing. How about some wiffle-ball bat therapy? Stings like hell, but the marks are light and heal quickly.

    3. R C Dean

      I would think wearing pants would be more effective than embracing them.

  17. Count Potato

    “BATWOMAN: The epitome of F E M A L E empowerment”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXZjE2wO9oM

    1. TARDIS

      If she had only farted when talking about the vegetables, I would have given that 5 stars.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      The advertisers are banking on the massive lesbian buying populace.

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Buying lesbians? How much are they?

        1. Spudalicious

          $20, same as downtown.

    3. That was a masterpiece of a review written masterpiecefully.

      1. Chipwooder

        “It premiered last night and it was……many things”

  18. Count Potato

    “Police have kettled a giant octopus on Whitehall and are marching it back to Trafalgar Square.”

    https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/1181855978406457345

    Have ever noticed that no one in England speaks English?

    1. Jarflax

      105 years ago they were the preeminent power on Earth. This is what WWI did.

    2. Chipwooder

      “Blagged? English, Tony, please. I mean, I thought this country spawned the fuckin’ language, but no one here seems to speak it!”

    3. Raston Bot

      definitely some squid pro row shenanigans.

      1. pistoffnick

        Squid row vs. skid row?

        1. Your crime is time and it’s eight arms and life to go.

          1. ^^^ opera applause gif plz

  19. Ozymandias

    Okay, OT, and spicier than the listed links – sorry, Brett!
    FBI FISA Abuses continued

  20. Ozymandias

    I wondered why she had recently gone silent. This helps explain.

    And I concede that yes, it’s ostensibly about her private life – except that was a pretext for being granted citizenship, and now it looks like we’ve got a completely unrepentant immigration fraud staring us in the face, helping to make laws in Congress.

  21. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Don’t you just love it when the ssh key for the server you set up three years ago was on your last laptop, which you formatted?

  22. grrizzly

    The Economist:

    Light to all nations? There is little evidence that electricity and light truly transform people’s lives

    1. Dr. Fronkensteen

      The money quote from the article.

      Solar lamps appear not to rescue people from poverty.

      1. Fatty Bolger

        I guess that depends on how you define poverty. All other things being equal, seems like people without light are poorer than ones with it.

    2. Rhywun

      Good lord.

      1. A Leap at the Wheel

        Not if he wasted all that energy saying “let there be Light” instead of educating us about the gender wage gap.

    3. Urthona

      Can I transfer my joke comparing solar powered lamps to wind powered fans?

    4. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      I guess you could argue that if you are dirt poor, electricity on its own won’t transform your life, and there are other higher priorities. But I gotta believe that electricity is still a high priority.

      1. Urthona

        I mean… yeah. Electricity is better when you have stuff to plug in. I think it’s the headline that’s misleading. The article is pretty understanding of this fact.

        I think what they were hoping is that if poor people could stay up later and read or something they would become more innovative. But I doubt that.

        1. Fourscore

          Getting REA electricity on the farm in ’53 was biggety time. Cows could see who was milking them.

    5. Chafed

      That is criminally stupid.

    6. Count Potato

      Well, without electricity I couldn’t read The Economist.

  23. TARDIS

    Couldn’t get past Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish climate activist.

  24. Bob Boberson

    I’m listening to POTP where Dave is hosting a Paleo-Con. It’s interesting stuff but damn I didn’t realize how authoritarian Paleo-Cons are. I’ve always been a fan of Pat Buchanan even if I don’t totally agree with him on everything. This Nick Fuentes dude Dave’s talking to is pretty forthright in that he just wants to take the reigns of power so he can organize society in the way he prefers (quasi-ethnostate traditionalist Catholic)…….which I have to say I find somewhat abhorrent.

    Is Paleo-Conservatism by and large a Catholic ideology? I thought I was raised in that tradition more or less, but as an evangelical protestant it was never, ever about the return of Church and Crown.

    1. Chipwooder

      I’m not sure if it’s inherently Catholic, but they do seem to loom large among prominent paleos.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Buchanan being the foremost paleocon and a big Catholic.

        I actually read, a while back, an article by a pro-war libertarian trashing the Mises people as paleocon and one of her arguments was….that so many of them are Catholic, ergo paleocon.

    2. A Leap at the Wheel

      You are supposed to notice, but not comment on it.

    3. as an evangelical protestant it was never, ever about the return of Church and Crown.

      Not in those terms. It is about the return of the country to Christianity, although without the use of one head honcho. “Separation between church and state” to them only means they can’t establish an official US church.

    4. Don Escaped Texas

      I’ve long since divided folk into two camps:

      A/ people who generally leave others alone

      2/ people I hate

      The flavors of (2) are only mildly interesting anymore.

      I think my memoir on this path to pleasefuckoff drops at 7CDT.

      1. No, I think mine’s dropping at 7CDT today.

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          You can both drop at 7CDT

    5. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      “Is Paleo-Conservatism by and large a Catholic ideology?”

      Most of them are Catholic or converted to Catholicism. That’s part of the reason why they are so anti-war. And to their credit, you can depend on them to defend the antiwar position. That certainly cannot be said for libertarians and probably part of the reason why Dave has him on his show, rather than someone at Reason or CATO who is going to hem and haw about pulling troops out of a war, because their Georgetown friends don’t like it.

      1. Bob Boberson

        I guess what struck me about this guy is that he is in no way for diminishing the role and reach of government, he just wants to wield it against his enemies. Dave isn’t pushing back nearly as hard as I would be. To me that’s like saying grape Jonestown Kool-aid is way better than the cherry.

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          Yeah, the dude sucks ass. He doesn’t even strike me as a paleocon, just a Trump supporter. Paleocons typically write for The American Conservative or Chronicles. They like literature, rather than the social sciences, and they usually have a good grasp of history. This guys sounds like a little bitch trying to play a paleocon.

      2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Also, Nick Fuentas is trash. I wouldn’t even consider him a paleocon. He’s a Trump supporter and that’s it.

        1. Bob Boberson

          Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. I’m wondering if he really is even somewhat representative of true Paleo-Con viewpoints. I know Dave likes to play nice with his guests but it strikes me as cowardly how (with the exception of NS) he basically just tries to find common ground all episode and then voices his objections on the next episode.

          1. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Buchanan is the archetype of a paleocon, Fuentes is just an oldschool socially conservative authoritarian and he’d be more at home in 1940s Spain.

          2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            “1940’s Spain”

            You mean like Buckley’s brother-in-law?

            In all seriousness, Bozell wasn’t even a paleocon- he was an integralist. If far-right Catholic thought could be etched out, the farthest right that you could get is integralism.

          3. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            The dirty little secret of Franco’s regime’s attempt at integralism and corporatism led to economic stagnation. And then Franco was forced to abandon these ideas and embrace more free-market alternatives which resulted in the “Spanish Miracle”.

          4. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Corporatism is always going to lead to stagnation but at least Franco had the sense to back off a bit. I wonder if we will.

          5. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            He gave Soave a pass on a lot of stuff too. He likes to play nice with guests, which is understandable, but I can understand why he couldn’t play nice with Sarwark. Sarwark had accused his friends of being Nazis without any basis in reality. Dude deserved being treated like trash.

            Chronicles Magazine is the preeminent paleocon publication. Raimondo wrote for them and to their credit, unlike some libertarian publications who all share the same funder, Chronicles and The American Conservative wrote multiple articles mourning Raimondo’s passing.

          6. Bob Boberson

            IMO TOS would have to stand on their mother’s shoulders just to kiss The American Conservative’s ass. it’s the superior publication by far and have remained consistent for decades.

          7. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            The American Conservative is absolutely superior to TOS. Mainly because they actually have libertarian writers there and you’ll never catch them parroting the pro-war caucus on foreign policy issues. Case in point:

            https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-doesnt-belong-in-syria/
            “America Doesn’t Belong in Syria”

            But, they still have a lot of paleocon writers still

        2. Also, Nick Fuentas is trash.

          Thanks for the dox, bro.

    6. Scruffy Nerfherder

      They’re generally Hobbesian in outlook.

    7. AlmightyJB

      Very Nationalistic, they don’t want to waste American “Blood & Treasure” on foreign wars, but do support a strong military. Tend to be protectionist on trade. Perpetual chicken littles on changing demographics. Yeah, I don’t think they have much issue with the police state keeping the proles in line outside of their gated communities. Not against welfare, with strings attached.

      1. Bob Boberson

        I’m realigning some of my thinking the more I look into it. I used to think their wasn’t much distinction between a paleo-libertarian and a paleo-con but it seems that paleo0-conservatism, while very good on a few key issues, is still at it’s heart a reactionary ideology whereas libertarianism is not.

        1. AlmightyJB

          I slide further from minarchy to anarchy with each passing year.

          1. Bob Boberson

            #metoo

          2. Florida Man

            Good. Gooooood.

      2. AlmightyJB

        Buchanan knows more about Presidential history than about anyone. He’s certainly not stupid. His Hitler apologetics and race hysterics are fucked up though.

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          I wouldn’t even call them “Hitler apologetics”. He says things that people are either too ignorant of history to realize or unwilling to say. “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War” is a provocative book, but it doesn’t excuse the Nazi regime.

          His immigration views are his most distasteful positions, in my opinion.

          1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            When him and McLaughlin would go back and forth on some obscure history point, I always enjoyed that.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiuuCZYzbNU

          2. AlmightyJB

            It’s always fun to watch those old guys debate.

          3. AlmightyJB

            Buckley and Friedman on the Negative Income Tax. I miss both those guys.

            https://youtu.be/xtpgkX588nM

          4. AlmightyJB

            He makes a lot of assumptions about what Hitler’s true motives were, and therefore how he supposedly would have behaved if not for Ally interference. He gives him way too much credit as a rational leader. Credit he in no way deserves.

          5. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            Fair enough. Hypotheticals can’t be proved. He does make a lot of assumptions. I just think a lot of people who were pissed about that book never read it and probably mythologized that war. MSNBC used that book as a reason to fire him, but the reality is that his antiwar schtick was no longer welcome once Obama came into office

          6. AlmightyJB

            I didn’t read that book but I’ve read a ton of his old Human Events opinion pieces back before it lost all it’s writers but Coulter. Looks like their trying to make a come back. I have one of his books “A Republic, Not an Empire”. I think I bought and read it 20 years ago when it came out.

          7. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            “A Republic, Not An Empire” was my red pill moment when I stumbled upon it accidentally.

          8. AlmightyJB

            “probably mythologized that war”

            That I would agree with, and there are certainly arguments that we should have stayed home. Especially now that Europe’s going Fascist voluntarily 75 years later. I just disagree with downplaying Hilter’s psychopathy as one of those reasons.

          9. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            Yeah. I think that’s fair

          10. Jarflax

            The really good plan would have been to stay home in 1917.

          11. AlmightyJB

            Yeah, that’s a good book. He is quite the historian and a pretty smart dude despite my disagreements with him.

  25. DEG

    Attorney Benjamin Crump said he hoped the case would be a wakeup call “that stand your ground is a racist law that allows for there to be open season on black and brown people.”

    Of course they through that in. Crump, go fuck yourself.

    Merlan noted that conspiracy theories can also act as a balm for people faced with a complicated problem like climate change. “Climate change denialists functionally preach that we all just need to ignore scientists, experts and activists—or maybe accuse them of being globalist tools or brainwashed by a Satanic Cabal—and do absolutely nothing else,” she said.

    That’s some good projection.

    “Open a dog cafe and it wont happen lol,” posted Caleb Tyler Hinton on Facebook.

    I’m reminded of a chocolate lab someone I used to know owned. The owner described the lab as, “Bark worse than his bite. If a burglar isn’t scared off by his barking, I’m in trouble because my dog will just cower in a corner when burglar gets in.”

    I really like this beer.

    1. Tulip

      My dog might, might, trip them in her excitement of trying to get a stranger to pet her.

      1. Tres Cool

        50% of this duo would have actively confronted an intruder.
        Unless the intruder was in possession of a vacuum cleaner or a back-up beeper from a large truck.

        1. Tres Cool

          At all times when i was home, I was well protected.

          1. Sean

            At first look, I thought you had underwear on your head. ?

          2. Sean

            ?

            Ayup.

          3. You were waiting for someone to post that, weren’t you?

          4. Sean

            I wasn’t even expecting a reply.

          5. Tres Cool

            That was taken at a time that I didn’t for once. Thankfully.

  26. Tundra

    Fuck you, Apple.

    Somewhere there must be a company willing to go to the mat for freedom. It’s not as if Apple and Android are the low cost leaders.

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      I see your fuck you Apple and raise you a fuck you Google:

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/google-caves-china-pulls-revolution-our-times-hong-kong-game-app-store

      That’s expected of Google though.

      1. Tundra

        Goddammit.

    2. TARDIS

      The illusion of choice.

    3. Urthona

      I still can’t get over that the company that said “Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything” is now sucking China’s dick and pulling Houston’s apparel from their store.

      I’m not going to change my buying behavior or anything because that’s now how I roll, but I’m sure as shit going to bring this up about all these companies now every time they try to virtual signal and laugh at them.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Boycotts are sometimes silly. This time, though, a boycott is well deserved. I most assuredly will be changing my buying habits as best I can

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        Hypocrite cowards are gonna hypocrite coward.

        Now we know who the enemies are really.

        The sucking of China cock has been despicable.

        Imagine being a dissident and having to listen to all these shit heads? Must be disheartening.

    4. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Your elites are merely representatives of the Chinese communist party and they should be treated as such

    5. Gustave Lytton

      You know it would be one thing if they just flat out said they removed it from the Hong Kong/Chinese App Store at the directive of the government, that would be one thing. But the lying and justifying the Chinese thuggery takes it to another level.

    6. Jarflax

      And even that article takes more shots a Trump than at the Chicoms.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        TDS makes you believe that orange man is just as bad as murders

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          I mean all presidents are murderers, but not on the same level as the Chi coms

      2. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Jesus, you’re right. What a douche.

    7. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Apple needs China at this point. Their manufacturing capacity is completely dependent on their Chinese supply chain.

      I would cut them slack if they started transitioning out of the country, but I highly doubt they will. Thus damning themselves even further.

      1. Lie down with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas.

      2. Urthona

        Also, is there an alternative to Apple not in bed with China?

        1. Tulip

          Samsung is much less in bed with China

          1. Tulip

            Built in the us

          2. Tulip

            Built a plant in the US. Final assembly all asia

          3. Stinky Wizzleteats

            The problem there is Google’s in bed with the Chcoms. You just have to pick the least egregious offender.

        2. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Huawei makes a hell of a phone and they aren’t in bed with the Chinese government because they are the Chinese government. Seriously though, there aren’t any nonChinese choices really.

      3. Rhywun

        They have been making noises about moving some manufacturing out of China.

        But seriously, is anyone surprised by any of this? We have moved a ton of manufacturing to China. WTF did people expect?

      4. OneOut

        Apple recently announced they were moving some production facilities out of China to Texas

        O think it was the IPad. Not sure.

  27. Rhywun

    Salt the earth to ward off the evil spirits.

    The Council’s land use committee voted 11-2 with two abstentions in favor of a measure aimed at designating Rikers a “public place” so anyone can easily access it and ensuring the island won’t be used to incarcerate individuals.

    De Blasio hopes his plan will reduce the city’s jail population to 4,000. There are currently about 7,000 in the jail system, compared to 9,400 in 2017.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      1970s Death Wish here we come.

      1. Jarflax

        Bernard Goetz for Mayor

        1. TARDIS

          Bernard Goetz for Mayor Duke of New York.

    2. Rhywun

      It’s the same idiotic nonsense he and his ilk have been pushing for years about “bad schools”. Oh, they’re not full of teachers who can’t teach and students who don’t want to learn – it’s a “bad building”. Build a “good building” and everything changes!

    3. Rufus the Monocled

      Gotham is about to go full Gotham.

      The vigilantes will rule the day!

    4. Chafed

      I’m a little confused by the article. Are there new jails being built that will take the current inmate population or is the plan to close it and hope they don’t need the cells?

      1. Rhywun

        The plan seems to be to close Rikers by 2026 whether the new jails are ready or not.

        (Note – there is NO new jail being built right now. It turns out that nobody wants a jail in their neighborhood. Who knew?)

        Yes, this is the kind of serious thought that is typical of the clown circus running the place.

        1. Jarflax

          Where are they going to put people who sell a loose cigarette or large soda? Or god forbid put something in a plastic bag?

          1. Rhywun

            *snicker* but the reality is that Rikers is full of “bad dudes”. The happy horseshit they’re pushing about keeping them “in their neighborhood” is not going over well with the plebes.

          2. Jarflax

            They miss the 80s. Make Times Square sleazy again!

    5. Raven Nation

      City Journal did a short piece on this a couple of years back: https://www.city-journal.org/html/rikers-island-fiction-15097.html

      There’s a lot of boilerplate in there about Broken Windows policing, but he concludes with this:

      In theory, closing Rikers is a reasonable idea. There is no reason why the city couldn’t have county jails adjacent to its borough courthouses. New York City doesn’t need to have an insular penal colony holding most of its inmates, who are largely awaiting trial and not guilty of anything (yet). It would be more humane to embed smaller jails in local communities, where family and lawyers would be able to visit more easily…

      The reality is that the plan to close Rikers and build smaller jails is politically unrealistic and probably impossible. But the pretense of that goal is a useful screen behind which to eviscerate Broken Windows policing—and return New York to a justice system that focuses primarily on the welfare of the criminal instead of the community.

      1. Rhywun

        It would be more humane to embed smaller jails in local communities, where family and lawyers would be able to visit more easily…

        That is the happy horseshit I had in mind.

        BTW, the decriminalization the article mentioned as not happening – has since happened. That is one way they’re getting the numbers down.

    1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      The morally bankrupt people in America are wokeheads. In a city where Chicom bootlickers are based, rich white liberals are most alarmed by a local business man who worked with orange man. Morally bankrupt

    2. Gustave Lytton

      I’m tempted to play the same game and complain to businesses serving Salt & Straw that they are supporting a politically motivated company.

  28. Jarflax

    Having read a number of articles from military personnel who served in Iraq and dealt with the Kurds. I would like to formally retract my comments from the other day re owing them anything as allies. I had taken too much media reporting as true. If the things I have read over the past day are accurate the Kurds and Turks can bleed each other white and the world will only benefit. Does anyone have first hand experience of the Copts? Is there anyone decent in that whole region I can sympathize with besides Israel?

    1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Everyone is good and bad, even the Israelis which is unpopular to say here which is strange. The US isn’t a good guy either, because there are no purely “good” nations in foreign affairs.

      I feel for the Kurds, but we can’t wage war against NATO ally and host to American nuclear weapons, Turkey. It’s a fucked up situation and if the US hadn’t been arming and funding ISIS and the “moderate” jihadists to try and overthrow Assad to appease the Saudis after the Iran deal things might have been different.

      Also, Copts are good

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        End NATO was frankly one of the best ideas that orange man stumbled into.

        1. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

          I’m not really sure that he wants to end NATO. He just wants them to pay what they promised and is calling them on it.

          1. Viking1865

            I mean, who the hell knows with Trump, but generally his issue with NATO seems to be that he thinks it should be an actual military alliance, where the Europeans actually have a capable military force which can actually be used to fight wars.

            So his thing is “Wait, if you guys as a whole have an economy as large as the USA’s, how come you can’t actually sustain more than a brigade of troops overseas, and how come you need us to actually do all the logistic support and most of the fire support, and oh by the way your troops don’t actually seem to do anything resembling effective combat.”

            I think Trumps fundamental world view is built on “is this a bad or a good deal”. He correctly identifies NATO as a bad deal, but he still can’t quite understand that international trade is not quite as simple as “trade imbalance bad”

      2. Jarflax

        All we like sheep and all of that, but apparently the Kurds are as enamored of the “boy game’ as the Afghans, and tend to deliberately starve their little girls when food is scarce. No culture is perfect, some cultures are demonstrably better than others.

        1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

          True. In the Middle East, though, most cultures are shit save for Israel and the rump of what’s left of the Christian community with a sprinkling of Zoroastrians and Druids

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      No administration has ever given a shit about the Kurds and the media has never complained until now when it was useful to them.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Except for ten years of operation northern watch (and OSW). Granted the motivations aren’t as pure as the driven snow.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          Iraqi Kurds, in that case. The PKK has always been a sore spot with Turkey.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Yes, although the Turks would say there isn’t much of a distinction.

    3. Rhywun

      The only winning move is not to play.

    4. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I think there’s about a dozen Copts left.

  29. Gustave Lytton

    Local rag for some reason is waging war on a local international charity (*full disclosure, I’ve had misgivings about Mercy Corps and other international charities for a while and think they largely serve to enrich their top execs with outsized administrative bloat. And that’s before the market distortion of their work)

    https://projects.oregonlive.com/no-mercy/

    Yeah, their co-founder was scum. But they aren’t a criminal justice agency, there was no criminal proceeding, and nothing occurred in the scope of employment, I can see why they didn’t sever ties years ago even if I disagree. Also understandable that the daughter want to destroy everything that her father built. Which is what that story says to me, more than Mercy Corps “failed” her. They didn’t have a duty to her and chose not to do anything years ago. Later, after her father is dead, still unhappy, her husband makes a complain to their integrity line about their original response. Again, what are they supposed to do then? But unhappy with that, they enlist the local rag to drum up a hollow emotional appeal. And now Mercy Corps is apologizing and the ceo has resigned.

  30. Count Potato

    “This is HuffPost attempting to bully Facebook into silencing a political campaign’s advertising reach because they know how many people Facebook reaches. Don’t lecture us about a free press and pull antics like this.”

    https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1182398193587212288

  31. Count Potato

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGhwz2YX0AA95P4.jpg

    This transgender bathroom thing is getting out of hand.

    1. Jarflax

      Caption, how many Democrat Legislators does it take to open a lipstick?

    2. l0b0t

      JIMINY CRICKET! That’s the intro to a scene by SF come to brutal life.

      1. Rhywun

        In which we learn that Nadler’s been hiding Kuato in there all this time.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’m confused.

      1. Jarflax

        Good news! That means you now qualify for bathroom privileges.

        1. TARDIS

          Nice!

  32. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    Sure are a lot of publications that went all in on “sanction Russia for lolz” who are pulling the old “muh…free market” in defense of Chicom apologists.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      Hey, when are the employee protests of their companies’ policies?

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        LOL. Their employees are woke (as in “morally bankrupt”)

        1. Gustave Lytton

          Not that I would expect it. Just like their employers, something to call them on in the future and laugh.

    2. Bob Boberson

      everyone love’s free markets when they are politically expedient

    3. kbolino

      Well, there is a sort of twisted consistency to it. They didn’t give a shit about Russia when it was taking over parts of Georgia or Ukraine. It wasn’t until Russia “meddled in an election” (read: did nothing of any real consequence, at least not in the U.S.) that anybody bothered to care. Just get China to endorse Trump, they’ll be sanctioned before the end of the month.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I particularly like Marriott during someone for liking a tweet that China for not approve of.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        firing

      2. Jarflax

        How thoroughly is your HR surveilling you when they monitor your ‘likes’?

      3. Gustave Lytton

        They liked the post from an official corporate account, not their own. That the least egregious compared to Cathay Pacific firing employees for posts on their personal Facebook account or harboring pro HK sentiments off duty.

  33. Jarflax

    So can I get an opinion on this from some of you car guys?

    TW facebook

    1. Tundra

      Absolutely beautiful. The snark, the camera work, the cigarette and especially the exhaust system.

      Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I never before have felt like a master mechanic.

    2. Wooooowwwwww. That’s actually quite impressive.

      1. Tres Cool

        Yeah…..he didnt let anyone hear it, but- I was impressed.

        And since he mentioned ‘coat hangers’- Ive used them plenty of times for brazing rods.

    3. Tonio

      Vertical video is all f*ked up, and stuff.

      Also – sure, lame “whatever the fuck works” engineering, aka dragging and sparking on the pavement engineering.

    4. Mad Scientist

      That is some grade A sarcasm.

    5. straffinrun

      Other than the bent pipe, did it work?

  34. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    If people don’t start leafleting and protesting places like Apple stores it’s only going to get worse. The Chicoms know now how much they can get away with and they’re only going to push more

    1. Gustave Lytton

      The problem of dealing with an immoral country like China is there are no bounds. Oppose them and the force of the state will be against you. Your local employees will be co-opted by force or patriotism. Your assets will be taken or compromised. Simply getting your product dropped like the Houston Rockets is the least of the possibilities.

  35. grrizzly

    This is one of the most racist things I’ve seen.

    A recent local city government meeting in Oak Park — which lies just outside of Chicago, Illinois — devolved into an angry board member silencing her opponents because they have “been white from birth!” The only thing is that trustee Susan Buchanan, who refused to let anyone else speak on the question of rewriting the town’s diversity statement, is herself white.

    Buchanan yelled for others to “shut up” concerning the resolution, and wouldn’t let any other town government leader so much as utter a word: “Why are you arguing what is a system of oppression? You’ve never experienced one, so shut up! I don’t want to hear from you!”

    “You stop it, you are a white male! You stop it! You are a white male! Your skin is light enough!” she shouted while pointing her finger at a fellow council member trying to speak.

    1. Viking1865

      That should honestly be a Trump campaign ad if Warren is the nominee.

      1. LJW

        Trump vs Warren if a third party can’t beat either of them this country is doomed.

    2. Spudalicious

      She seems nice.

    3. Rhywun

      The last decade or so has turned a lot of people’s brains to mush. I worry about how much further it will go.

      1. Tres Cool

        From “mush” to akshual ‘slurpee’

    4. She wouldn’t “let” them? I’ve seen the video. Sue couldn’t stop anyone from speaking if they were really motivated to do so.

  36. Viking1865

    THE KURDS HAVE BEEN BETRAYED is apparently like the peak oil of the Middle East warmongers.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/344906/

    1. kbolino

      And yet, oddly, the Kurds never flew a plane into a building. Meanwhile, our “betrayal” of the mujahideen (read: not paying for schools or some shit) is “why” OBL hated us.

    2. Rhywun

      Even KDW went there – and with a complete non-sequitur. For some reason I expected better.

      1. Christ. Again, Kevin, as with anyone else, either go there yourself or point to the people you’re willing to sacrifice to build a Kurdish state and defend it. Or, consider that perhaps the point of the American military (or any national military) is not to go and set the world right by fire and sword but instead to defend its own citizens. If you really feel strongly about it, advocate for granting the Kurds blanket refugee status and bring them here.

        1. Tonio

          How dare you deny the legitimacy of KDW posturing?

          How dare you?

    3. straffinrun

      This is exactly why the perpetual war state is perpetual. If you have bases in a 100 countries and are carrying out military actions all over the place, you will automatically be “betraying” someone if you pull out. Maybe the Kurds really are getting screwed, but the war machine says the same thing every time in every situation.

    4. Fatty Bolger

      “Sure, a large swath of the American public is sick of forever wars.”

      To be sure. But fuck them, right? What do they know.

  37. Sean

    So my gf took her 2018 Escape in for a check engine light. The dealership said she needs a new engine.

    ?

    At 20k miles. Under warranty, of course…but damn.

    1. Jarflax

      Stop putting it in neutral in the driveway and playing Speed Racer!

    2. Count Potato

      wow

    3. Gustave Lytton

      Which engine?

        1. Gustave Lytton

          Ford-ah ain’t got a motor in the back of her SUV-ah.

      1. Sean

        I asked her….she said “no fricking clue”.

        *shrug*

        1. Tundra

          Is it the Titanium model?

          1. Sean

            SEL

          2. Tundra

            Yikes. That’s the twin turbo Ecoboost, I believe.

            I would be very interested in what failed.

          3. Sean

            I was told something about a 5 hour pressure test. It failed, coolant was leaking…New engine.

            Gf is awesome, but not a car person.

          4. Tundra

            Head problem at 20K?!?

            Well, at least she’s not out of pocket. I’d consider an extended warranty, though 😉

    4. pistoffnick

      Mine went at 73,000 miles. Warranty expired at 70,000.

      I will not be buying another Ford.

      1. LJW

        We had a Chevy. The transmission went out at 60k. Also went through 3 camshaft actuators, a timing chain and had issues with oil consumption. Never buying a Chevy again.

    5. I too have a seething hatred of Fords. Found On Road Ded.

      1. Fix Or Repair Daily.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Four old rusty doors

      2. Spudalicious

        I drove an F250 for sixteen years. Only major problem was replacing the oil intercooler at 15 years, and a 180,000 miles. I’ve been driving a Chevy Tahoe for a little over three years, and have already had to replace a $1300 sensor, out of warranty.

        1. Tundra

          My 2003 Tahoe was bulletproof. 220K without breaking a sweat. Body absolutely sucked, though.

          My 2018 F-150, at 20K, has had a bunch of recalls and just had this “really rare” problem fixed. So rare that another guy at the office with a 2018 has had it done twice.

          Note the symptom – intermittent grinding noise. The last two times I went in, the response was ‘could not duplicate’. This time I brought the TSB in with me and gently explained the nature of “intermittent”. Funny, they kept it for another day to fix it…

          Great complexity means more problems. I don’t care what kind of system you are talking about.

          1. Spudalicious

            That’s why I pretty much put Chevy and Ford on the same level. Don’t even get me started on Dodge.

      3. Gender Traitor

        I wubs my Subadoo. That is all.

        Though after reading some of the “Horror Theatre” installments, I may keep a closer eye on it ’round Halloween.

        1. Tonio

          My suby is olde enough to vote, Just Sayin’.

          1. Mine’s 15 years old and doing reasonably well.

            I’m not certain if my next car is going to be a Subaru, though, because I feel like I got treated badly by the dealership on the airbag recall.

        2. AlmightyJB

          I was thinking about an Ascent for my next vehicle. Probably a few years off though.

      4. straffinrun

        This^. I had a Ford Escort. It was a tow truck.

    6. Ho Lee Shit.

      I’ve got a 2000 Silverado with 203k on it that’s still going strong. We traded our old Highlander Hybrid in yesterday for a new Traverse that runs on dinosaur juice as God intended. Cheaper in equivalent dollars than the Highlander we got in 2010 with twice the features. And, just like that, we went from an import family to a Chevy household.

    7. Sean

      I drive cars like I’ve stolen them, I’ve never needed a new engine on a new production car. Ever.

    8. So my truck, which got towed to the mechanic today, is a 2003 Dodge Ram. We have put 10,000 miles on it in the time we’ve had it and is, at the moment, my daily driver, but I don’t drive much.

      It also has 360,000 miles on it. So all in all, by comparison, it’s deal-with-able.

      1. Tres Cool

        My 06′ Ram cummins eats water pumps every 30K. Its a $25 NAPA part, and I can change it in 15 minutes. I dont mind.
        However, the BOSCH fuel pumps and the $70 oil changes…..

  38. AlmightyJB

    Hey Upper Middle Class. Join us in creating a Socialist Utopia by confiscating all of the greedy rich people’s money (didn’t we just see this play out in Venezuala?) The only possible reason any of you could disagree with this is because you’re “committed Trump-supporting reactionaries”. Yeah, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with stealing other people’s money.

    https://theweek.com/articles/870604/why-uppermiddle-class-benefit-from-socialism

    1. AlmightyJB

      Linked in the article. Good God, they’re all spoiled children. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

      https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/

      1. Rhywun

        Does the “family fun pack” come with free passes to the happy camps?

        1. AlmightyJB

          Included with free daycare and pre-kindergarten which will, of course, be government-run. Can’t start the brainwashing too early.