Thursday Afternoon Links

Happy Thursday everybody. I wish it were Friday. Holy crap these weeks get long. And then I’m traveling for work all of next week. For some reason my wife thinks those are vacations instead of 12-14 hour death slogs punctuated by being in a hotel room. I mean, I stay at the same hotel every time and they take great care of me, but its still a hotel room. I’d rather be home.

There’s an app that will wait on hold for you now. In 2008 or ’09, a friend and I sat in a bar in Tallahassee and tried to figure out a business model for this at the time. Getting people to download an app for $3/month was less feasible then than other things we thought of. And I’m totally not jealous.

A long form article where an ethics professor discovers libertarians are weird. Although, remember these are college libertarians, so they often solve the “trolley problem” by killing the least amount of people, where more mature libertarians think those people endangered by the trolley should get themselves out of the way.

Brexit is happening!

 

 

Comments

438 responses to “Thursday Afternoon Links”

  1. Spudalicious

    Boris wins.

    1. Count Potato

      Boris? Obviously a Russian plant.

    2. Tonio

      Boris Johnson’s team were pasty-faced with exhaustion…

      They’re Brits, pasty faced is their natural condition.

      1. Hyperion

        Because there’s no sun. Which is also why they have to suck on limes all the time, wards off the scurvy.

    3. Stinky Wizzleteats

      As long as parliament passes it, right?Now we get to see if the quislings want even an agreed upon Brexit.

      1. Spudalicious

        If they don’t, no deal Brexit happens at the end of the month.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          I’m obviously not familiar with the particulars but it looks like a decent deal for all parties involved so hopefully it’ll be passed.

          1. pedantic

            I dunno, looks like the Unionists of Northern Ireland don’t just want Northern Ireland to be able to vote yea or nay on extending the customs arrangements every so often, the want specific veto power for *their political/religious party*. Seems pretty fucked up to me. Hopefully Boris can push it through without them, otherwise no deal here we come! And I go take a trip to Britain once that pound sterling becomes peso worthy (temporarily)

        2. Gadfly

          This. Parliament forced Johnson to ask for an extension if no deal was reached. By reaching a deal, any deal, even one he knows will lose in Parliament, he no longer has to ask for an extension. He can force Parliament to understand that a yes vote on this deal achieves Brexit via this deal while a no vote achieves Brexit with no deal. Remain is off the table.

          1. Lackadaisical

            Nice, I had forgotten about that bit.

          2. Rhywun

            Oooh, that’s clever.

          3. Until the judges say FYTW.

            There’s already one asshole lawyer who vows to sue against the deal.

          4. Gadfly

            That’s crazy. How can someone say that a new law is invalid for being the opposite of an old law? If that were the case, laws could never change.

    4. Rhywun

      Not if Northern Ireland gets a chance to break the deal every four years. Yikes.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        And DUP has said they won’t support it so I have no idea where he is going to get the votes. Dude better have a stiff spine, because he’s going to either crash out of the EU or bow before Belgium like May did.

    5. grrizzly

      I thought Becker retired decades ago.

    6. Hyperion

      “Boris wins”

      So, Teresa May tried it for how many years? I mean pretended to try it, and this guy takes how many months?

  2. Certified Public Asshat

    There’s an app that will wait on hold for you now.

    The Pixel phones have a call screen feature that is pretty amazing.

  3. Count Potato

    Chiefs-Broncos? I could care less.

    1. Bobarian LMD

      Go Chiefs!

      Hopefully playing Humperdoo will allow the KC defense to get some confidence back.

      1. Who’s Humperdoo?

        (Aside from the Jesus clone in Preacher.)

    2. Ayn Random Variation

      couldn’t

    3. Go Broncos! Even though you still suck even after winning 2 games.

    4. I am not hanging my hat on the Chiefs, but I also still have PTSD from the Marty Schottenheimer years. SOOOOOOO close …

      … and yet so far away.

      When it counts, they almost always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

      1. slumbrew

        Andy Reid is still surprisingly bad at clock management. I can’t believe he’s been in the league this long and still makes mystifying timeout/non-timeout decisions with some regularity.

        1. Ayn Random Variation

          I grew up with Parcells as the HC of my team. he was a master of the little things, especially clock Management. I am amazed at how often coaches fuck this simple thing up.

          1. Ayn Random Variation

            for example, in the SB vs the Bills, the Giants had about a 40 to 20 minute time of possession advantage. Between then end of the first half and Buffalo’s first second half possession, Buffalo’s offense didn’t see the field for about an hour in real time.
            if Buffalo had even 30 more seconds at the end of the game, they would have won.

      2. Ayn Random Variation

        Marty screwed you the year (1998?) he started Grbac in the playoffs over Gannon. Grbac was the starter, got hurt, Gannon played his ass off and got them to the playoffs, and Marty went back to Grbac and they lost to Denver.
        Good HC, but his brain malfunctioned in the playoffs. His spawn came along later to screw another franchise

        1. his brain malfunctioned in the playoffs

          You ain’t whistlin’ Dixie.

          And my husband doesn’t understand why I’m not buying into the “Mahomes Magic” thing.

          I will say this: Mahomes is a good egg.

          1. Ayn Random Variation

            loved Mahomes in college. o think he’s for real. But his ankle is really messed up now, and he can’t move. He probably shouldn’t be playing. He’s one hit on that ankle away from being done for the season

          2. But his ankle is really messed up now, and he can’t move.

            Agreed BUT from what (very little) I’ve seen, the Chiefs/press is minimizing this. It’s almost like “Shhhh don’t talk about it or you’ll jinx it.”

            But again, I’m not watching all the locker room shows or listening to sports radio.

  4. Count Potato

    “Donald Trump hails five-day ceasefire deal in Syria as ‘a great day for civilization’ and boasts of ‘incredible outcome’ claiming ‘great leader’ Erdogan and the Kurds are happy – but Turkey hits back that they have only agreed to a PAUSE”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7585159/US-Turkey-agree-deal-five-day-ceasefire.html

    Isn’t that what a ceasefire is?

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      They’re all throwing around rhetoric for domestic consumption. It’s probably best to just ignore what’s said by anyone on any side until the pausefire’s over.

      1. Fatty Bolger

        “pausefire”

        lol

    2. dontreadonme

      What right do we have to negotiate with Turkey over Syrian territory? What does the USA owe Kurdish citizens living in Syria? The lives of its soldiers? How is withdrawing 100 military advisors allowing the ‘resurgence of ISIS’? Those must be some badass ‘advisors’.

  5. Count Potato

    “President Trump orders American flags in the US and around the world lowered to half staff in honor of Rep Elijah Cummings who died today, despite animosity that existed between the pair, as tributes pour in for the ‘giant of integrity’”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7583379/US-Rep-Elijah-Cummings-died.html

    I’m sure there is article somewhere explaining how Trump didn’t know Cummings was black.

    1. PBRstreetgang

      Why only “half” staff? Why not FULL staff for Cummings?
      You know why…

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      “giant of integrity”

      Yeah, right…

      1. Lackadaisical

        Spit take material right there.

      2. Enough About Palin

        You know who else was a giant of integrity?

        1. The Jolly Green Giant?

        2. bacon-magic

          John Holmes?

        3. Bobarian LMD

          Andre.

    3. Rhywun

      How dare he adhere to the same norms the federal government always has! He’s just doing it to fool you.

    4. Fatty Bolger

      Trump really liked his poetry. Well, he heard it was good, anyway.

      1. dontreadonme

        yes

        fuck

        me

        in the ass

        —e cummings

    5. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      I’m pretty sure that there’s a protocol that spells out what to do when a Congressman or Senator dies. But of course Trump will probably threaten our democracy by changing it somehow.

      1. If memory serves, that protocol was followed at the White House when John McCain died, and when the flag was raised back to full staff as the protocol suggested, everybody had a shit-fit.

        1. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

          In that case, he’ll threaten our democracy by sticking to the protocol.

        2. Ownbestenemy

          He did…he followed 4 U.S. Code Section 7

          “…and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress.”

          Everyone flipped he followed it…

          1. It was a snub and everyone knows it. ‘Lemme do the least that I can under the guidelines to acknowledge this asshole’s death” Trump is a thin skinned vindictive drama queen, It’s purportedly what many people like about him. Then he gets called on it and suddenly it all “TDS” “Orange Man Bad”. Own it, He’s an asshole counter-puncher that’s why he does these things. The ‘He’s just following the rules’ defense is just as much a derangement as the freak out.

          2. Ozymandias

            Poe’s Law?

    6. Enough About Palin

      “and around the world lowered to half staff”

      Who the fuck does he think he is ordering other countries to lower their flags to half-mast? What a fucking dictator!

      /TDS victim

  6. Prompted by this morning’s rather surprising (though brief) discussion about regrets, I was wondering if anybody would like a short article on regret.

    1. Count Potato

      Will you regret reading it?

      1. She’ll regret writing it.

        1. Spudalicious

          I regret being in the worst chat room on the internet.

          1. Gadfly

            But not so much as you’d regret leaving, so here you are.

    2. Private Chipperbot

      Sure now. But how will I feel about it later?

    3. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      “R” rated only

      1. Well, the discussion was built upon this song.

          1. Rhywun

            Prolly not this one.

          2. I’ve got HM’s insta-pregnant link on repeat.

            I do not regret it.

          3. slumbrew

            Damn, that’s great.

            I strongly agree with this comment:

            You maybe cool but you’ll never be cool as joe Dart strumming on the bass with his legs crossed cool.

          4. Innit?!

            A dude commenter says: “I’m pretty sure I’m pregnant now.”

            LOL

          5. Homple

            Ted S, that is the correct choice.

      2. Lackadaisical

        You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve turned down perfectly good poon. Probably like thrice.

        So yeah, three regrets.

        1. It takes three regrets to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop.

    4. Regrets? I’ve had a few.
      But then again, too few to mention.

      1. I think I like Sinatra’s better.

        1. Ayn Random Variation

          Sid Vicious for the win

      2. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

        AKA, The Loser’s Anthem.

    5. Tonio

      Don’t go getting all serious on us, Mojeaux. This place is all boobie links, dick jokes and barely acceptable shitlordery.

      1. barely acceptable shitlordery

        Do you mean that it’s substandard shitlordery?

        1. Tonio

          Owwwwiiieee!

        2. Galt1138

          I really miss this place.

      2. Count Potato

        Hey, if you want to post some big hairy man links, it’s fine with me. It’s just not my thing.

    6. Drake

      I could write a book.

    7. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      No Regerts.

    8. bacon-magic

      No Ragrets.

    9. Ayn Random Variation

      I’d like a few

      1. You’d like a few regrets?

        1. Mad Scientist

          Too few to mention.

  7. Count Potato

    “‘Cheeky buggers!’ Cody Simpson’s mum Angie shares cringeworthy response to her son’s X-rated photo with Miley Cyrus where she slips her hand down his pants in racy selfie”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7582983/Cody-Simpsons-mum-Angie-shares-cringeworthy-response-sons-X-rated-photo-Miley-Cyrus.html

    1. Rhywun

      That is not X-rated.

      1. Lackadaisical

        But is she thicc?

        1. Certified Public Asshat

          Miley is closer to anorexicc

          1. Count Potato

            She’s thinn, but muscular. Her asana is very impressive.

      2. Ownbestenemy

        Yeah thats just racy or tacky but not x-rated. You get more action in a Netflix show nowadays

    2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Classy people

      1. Sean

        ^^^ This

        Click bait.

        1. Sean

          Huh. That was supposed to reply to Rhywun.

          I need a drink.

          1. Gadfly

            But it works either way, so you’re good.

    3. RBS

      I don’t know what any of that means.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Herpes, it means herpes.

      2. Suthenboy

        Or who any of those people are. Or why anyone cares.

        1. Count Potato

          I’m pretty sure you know who Miley Cyrus is, not that you should care.

    4. Bobarian LMD

      WTF is a Cody Simpson? It looks like a Federline.

      And his Mommy should tell him about herpes, because he looks to be on the fast-track.

      1. Rhywun

        They do look made for each other.

  8. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Finding a place to teach ethics in the South was more difficult than I had imagined. My initial idea was to go to the most remote school that would have me, but most don’t even offer an ethics course. The philosophy department of a community college in rural Tennessee was interested until the administration balked at my qualifications. They’d have accepted a degree in religion, but not one in law.

    Southerners aren’t that dumb.

    1. Is the guy’s name Conrack?

      1. Galt1138

        Apparently Jon Voight wanted a nice change of pace after DELIVERANCE and MIDNIGHT COWBOY, and that’s why he sought out the film adaptation.
        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071358/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

    2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      “They’d have accepted a degree in religion, but not one in law.”

      What a bunch of rednecks. Who would think that someone who studied divinity would understand more about ethics than someone who studied law? Clearly they are dumb and the researcher is smart.

    3. Suthenboy

      There is also a good chance that they made that up on the fly to get rid of him because….him.

      That ‘in the south’ has a condescending tone as if the south is some backward foreign country. My guess is that they smelled it on him the minute he walked in the door.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Also, how is Appalachia “the South”?

        1. Ayn Random Variation

          anyplace south of Philly is The South for me.

    4. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      On the one hand, I wouldn’t trust a lawyer to teach about ethics. On the other hand, to catch a thief…

    5. I would’ve offered to exchange an F for myself for almost everyone getting an A in that class, but I would also want $5000 dollars.

  9. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    “so they often solve the “trolley problem” by killing the least amount of people, where more mature libertarians think those people endangered by the trolley should get themselves out of the way.”

    Or the deontological libertarians who think that utilitarians are monsters (accurate) and “no action” is the only moral approach to the situation. “Do no harm” does not have a clause that says “depending on the amount of people”.

    What kind of libertarian would even take a trolley? Sounds more like a San Francisco commie to me.

    1. I solve it by killing Judy Garland.

      1. You just ruined it in Toto

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          You guys are wicked

          1. Dr. Fronkensteen

            It sounds like the whole trolley problem is a straw man argument.

          2. egould310

            This thread is a road we don’t want to follow.

          3. But it’s a golden opportunity.

      2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Ok. Well that’s a different way to look at it. There are a lot of merits to your argument.

      3. Bobarian LMD

        Somebody should beat the stuffing out of that strawman.

    2. AlmightyJB

      I don’t know why this is difficult. You obviously get out your phone and video the Trolly crashing and share it on social media. Only a few people die so everyone can be entertained.

  10. The Late P Brooks

    these are college libertarians, so they often solve the “trolley problem” by killing the least amount of people, where more mature libertarians think those people endangered by the trolley should get themselves out of the way.

    Wait- doesn’t the trolley have a horn?

    1. Nope. It goes “clang”.

      1. slumbrew

        Now I have a terrible song stuck in my head.

        Your work here is done.

        1. You didn’t get that from the Judy Garland reference above?

          1. Bobarian LMD

            He was too busy ding ding dinging his bell.

      2. AlmightyJB

        Clang. Snap.

  11. slumbrew

    re: the picture from the front page – the two genders are clearly divided in their reaction to Little Miss Astros there, and it is hilarious.

    1. Ayn Random Variation

      I love it when that pic is posted. and yes I’d be staring at her ass all game.

  12. I first encountered a version of the Trolley Problem at church, as an analogy for the atonement of Christ, to wit:

    A switchman went out after dinner to switch tracks. He decided to take his son with him. Kid was playing on the tracks out of shouting distance of dad. Train comes down the track. If he switches, the child dies. If he doesn’t, the train runs into another. He couldn’t get to his kid and the boy couldn’t hear him shouting. With tears in his eyes, he switched the tracks, sacrificing his son for all the people on the train.

    Me: Why did he take his son with him? Or else put him on a backpack leash?

    *crickets*

    1. Lackadaisical

      Everyone on those trains totes dies if I’m the watchman. *not sorry*

    2. Fatty Bolger

      Good answer. I’ve always hated these types of hypothetical scenarios. I do the same thing, except I’m usually more of a smart ass about it.

      1. I’m surprised nobody’s ever tried to duct tape my mouth shut during Sunday school.

        That said, I usually say what half of the room’s thinking and either can’t frame it right or don’t want to speak up.

    3. Suthenboy

      In our system of ethics triage is the normal practice. You save the most and most savable people possible. When confronted with such an unbearable moral dilemma we reduce it to cold mathematics. See: ancient tales of saviors that sacrifice themselves for humanity.

    4. Don’t switch it and throw your kid onto the other tracks.

      MAXIMUM DEATH.

    5. Dr. Fronkensteen

      Wait who are the people involved? If one track has the next Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Castro and another has the next Norman Borlaug then you go for the one with five people.

      1. Galt1138

        It has all the passengers from that section of “Atlas Shrugged.”

    6. The kid is too stupid to get out of the way?

      1. DrOtto

        This is how I view the problem. Score 1 for Darwin.

    7. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Your church took a difficult moral problem and turned it into a heart wrenching analogy for Christ. Well done.

      1. Well, when you put it that way…

      2. I could do that for Howard Roark too.

        Actually, I have done it. If Objectivists had torches and pitchforks…

      3. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Good observation

    8. Raven Nation

      There’s a youtube for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs3rRDWQw5w

      1. Oh. So [[[we]]] didn’t think up that drivel. What a relief.

        1. Raven Nation

          I actually used a clip very like that one in a religion class in a high school many years ago. I wouldn’t now because (a) it’s too much of an emotional appeal and (b) my view of atonement has changed (or evolved, if you prefer).

          1. It’s just so manipulative I can’t stomach it.

            I don’t mind being manipulated when I want to be (underdog movies) (sad songs) (sappy books) (having my hair played with), but I was on the wrong end of a gaslighting grandmother too long to tolerate it at all.

          2. Raven Nation

            Agree. For me emotional appeal (in religion) = manipulative.

          3. Y’all are gonna love my article on modern Christianity. I really hope I have the opportunity to finish it soon.

          4. I cannot WAIT for that to drop.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    On the first day of my “Justice in America” seminar at Appalachian State University, I offer a deal to a student named Forrest Myers. I explain that I’m a tough grader and that the class average will be around a B-minus. “I’ll give you an A,” I say. “All you have to do is designate someone to get an F.”

    The other students laugh nervously while Forrest considers the deal.

    I’ve asked this question at the beginning of every semester for over 20 years, mostly to liberal northeasterners at Harvard and the City University of New York. It’s a good starting point because it tends to show commonality. The beginning of ethical thinking is to accept that other people’s interests matter. In all my years of teaching, I’ve never had anyone take me up on my offer.

    But I’ve come here seeking difference, not similarity. The 2016 election exposed a national rift so deep that it feels as if even reasonable conversation is impossible. I’m a liberal New Yorker, but I know that plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum worry that this divide poses an existential threat to the American democratic project. On the most controversial issues—race and immigration, to name just two—we’ve lost the capacity for compromise because we presume the most sinister motives about our opponents. I’ve arrived here in the fall of 2018, hoping to find a wider range of views—not to change anyone’s opinions but rather to see whether there remain principles and a shared language of ethics that bind us together.

    Good grief.

    Also- I’d love to see the look on that idiot’s face if somebody auctioned off the “Don’t give me the F” option.

    1. AlmightyJB

      I’d probably call his bluff. Pick the most princess looking chick in the class and her daddy will kick that dude’s ass just for making her sweat.

    2. Fuck off slaver.

      1. Also, what happens if two people designate each other?

        I’m thinking this story is bullshit anyway.

    3. Shirley Knott

      Or, assuming he words the question precisely as quoted, I’d logic bomb him.
      Give me an A if I designate someone to get an F?
      Okay, I’ll take it.
      And I designate myself for the F.
      Now what Mr. Hotshot Ethicist?

      There’s *always* more to the situation than the merely the scenario as presented.

      1. “Order of operations means you get the A and it gets cut to an F for being designated.”

        1. Shirley Knott

          Descriptive order is not necessarily operational order. Grades can be assumed/declared to be assigned simultaneously.
          Or I get the average of the two.
          Or I took one for the team, and can blow off the rest of the class.

          1. Automatic Fs override automatic As.

          2. Bobarian LMD

            Shorter UCS: You’re getting F’d in the A.

          3. Scruffy Nerfherder

            This is always the correct answer.

      2. Gadfly

        Or, assuming he words the question precisely as quoted, I’d logic bomb him.

        Indeed. And if this was his precise wording, that “someone” be designated for an F, you designate the Prof.

        1. Shirley Knott

          Even better.

    4. I explain that I’m a tough grader and that the class average will be around a B-minus.

      Isn’t “C” supposed to be Average? Sounds like you’re a lenient grader, probably because your class is bullshit.

      1. Ayn Random Variation

        thank you for pointing this out so I didn’t have to.

    5. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      “I’ve come here to school and condescend to these simple folks. Join me on my journey into the wild.”

      There are so many of these bullshit articles and yet they still cannot grasp why Trump won. The answer is right in front of their faces.

      1. Gadfly

        I assure you, sir, that the dampness on your leg is rain. It most assuredly is not piss.

    6. Bobarian LMD

      Easy answer: assign us a 6 person group project and within a day I’ll probably have five candidates I’m ready to fail and murder.

    7. Fourscore

      “capacity for compromise”

      Compromise = 1/2 way between 2 bad ideas. Good ideas stand on their own

      1. tarran

        My then two year old daughter to a cousin three months younger than her when they were arguing about how to play a game.

        “I have a compromise, and my compromise is this.” … /dramatic pause

        “We do it my way because I’m right and you’re wrong.”

        1. Suthenboy

          Barack Obama is your two year old daughter?

    1. slumbrew

      They really have been on an amazing groove for the last couple of years.

      Was The Onion ever that savage to anyone with a D after their name? I don’t recall if they used to do equal-opportunity satire.

    2. Certified Public Asshat

      I have been wondering, how soon does one of them start supporting the transabled?

    3. AlmightyJB

      Speaking of killing it. Another gem from Remy.

      https://youtu.be/QwqnRYPcrl0

      1. Gdragon

        I think you screwed up the link but thank you for that one too! Here’s Remy’s latest

      2. dontreadonme

        That was pretty awesome.

  14. The Late P Brooks

    That ‘in the south’ has a condescending tone as if the south is some backward foreign country. My guess is that they smelled it on him the minute he walked in the door.

    I haven’t been in “the south” lately, but Illinois is looking more and more like a third world country every time I drive through.

    1. Enough About Palin

      I figure Trump’s smart move will be for him to comp the entire event.

      1. Suthenboy

        Same thought here.

        1. Spudalicious

          From what I’ve heard, he is. Covering costs but no profit.

          1. Lots of people get very wealthy running non-profits.

          2. Spudalicious

            That’s because they give themselves healthy salaries. Doesn’t apply in this situation.

          3. Why not, where has your skepticism gone? If you don’t think Trump (The king of making money while going broke) knows how to cook books in his favor than you have a healthy dose of ‘Orange Man Good’.

          4. I am all in favor of book cooking.

            The IRS is immoral and if I had any money, I wouldn’t hesitate to cook my books.

          5. Spudalicious

            I have plenty of skepticism, but if Trump would actually think profiting off the G7 summit while he’s in the oval office wouldn’t get him hung up by the short hairs, he’s a very stupid man. There are a lot of things I don’t like about Trump, but lack of intelligence isn’t one of them.

          6. Not about the IRS, It’s about Trump (or his sycophants) claiming he isn’t gonna ‘profit’ by hosting a huge multi-government summit at his place. Now I may be open to the argument that ‘fuck it, who cares if he profits’, but the lack of skepticism that alows accepting the claim that he’s doing it ‘at cost’ on it’s face amuses me.

          7. Spudalicious

            If this goes through, Congress and the press will be crawling all over it. The IRS has nothing to do with it.

          8. I am not saying the IRS will be all over HIM.

            I’m saying that because of the IRS, cooking books should simply be assumed.

            Book cooking has been going on since the Italians invented double-entry bookkeeping.

          9. dontreadonme

            No profit?! How unAmerican! burn him!

    2. tarran

      Here’s the thing.

      I doubt Trump is trying to misuse his office to enrich himself.

      If you analyze Trump’s situation using Machievelli’s approach, you can see Trump is a prince who is unpopular with the nobles and has enough popular support that he is difficult to depose.

      The nobles being out to get him, he has to take steps to protect himself, and ensure the only people participating in his councils are loyal to him.

      His properties are the only place where he trusts people not to wire-tap him.

      That would make a good explanation as to why he’s been running the government out of Mar Largo as much as possible. If he wanted to enrich himself, all he needs to do is to stay away and allow guests to stay and pay.

      Instead, the guests have to go through all the unpleasant crap of dealing with his security. Which is definitely impacting the resort’s business in a negative way.

      I think he’s actually harming his business interests in order to ensure his political survival.

      The nobility hate him and would take his head without hesitation if he ever were to give them the chance. He has to look to his protection and ensure that he retains the initiative in his plotting.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        Fair enough, but it is still ridiculous that he would not think that having the G7 at his own property would raise suspicions about abuse of power.

        1. tarran

          Dude. Everything Trump does is considered an abuse of power. If he had increased Troop presence in Syria it would be an abuse of power. If he pulls out it’s an abuse of power.

          When you are going to be called a monster no matter what you do, you don’t really have to worry about optics anymore.

          America’s hereditary nobility are such useless morons. All they needed to do was not behave like spoiled toddlers, and they’s be in a position to take on actual instances of Trump being corrupt. I have zero sympathy.

          1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            Those are all good points and I absolutely agree that the vast majority of “abuse of power” arguments are utter bullshit (moving money for the wall, I think was legitimate, because Congress controls the purse). I just think that this is really bad optics. But, I admit that if you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t what’s the difference anymore.

          2. Spudalicious

            Unless you take into account that Trump expects to gain no profit from the summit. And it’s far cheaper than any other site they looked at because of that.

    3. Grumbletarian

      It’s a violation of the emoluments clause every time some liberal gives Trump the finger.

  15. The Late P Brooks

    A switchman went out after dinner to switch tracks. He decided to take his son with him. Kid was playing on the tracks out of shouting distance of dad.

    Ol’ Dad is kinda inattentive, I reckon.

    1. Yeah, he’s not gonna wanna go home to wifey after that.

      1. Fatty Bolger

        That’s way worse than “Honey, I shrunk the kids.”

        1. Zombies ate my darling

          Are we sure it’s not a Hansel and Gretel scenario?

    2. Shirley Knott

      He’s also lacking at least one of omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.

      1. My point was that it was a bad analogy.

        1. Shirley Knott

          Oh, agreed wholeheartedly. It’s a truly horrible analogy.

          1. There was another one that so utterly offended my libertarian sensibilities I nearly threw a(nother) fit:

            Dude buys a boat. Next-door neighbor asks if he can use it for a scouting activity. Dude says, “No, I haven’t even used it myself yet.” Next-door neighbor gets mad because it’s FOR THE CHILDREN.

            “And isn’t that selfish of the guy with the boat?”

            OMG my head nearly blew off, but I managed to be chill while still blowing it apart.

            The one I DIDN’T keep my cool on is just too noxious to discuss. Walked out of Sunday school so pissed off I was crying.

          2. Dr. Fronkensteen

            Well you as a libertarian know how common boating accidents are.

          3. Sean

            *sigh*

            I’m gonna need a bigger boat.

          4. How is it selfish? I only see a grasping freeloader with no social skills.

          5. I only see a grasping freeloader with no social skills.

            I pointed that out not quite as delicately as you did.

            Killed that discussion ded, d-e-d ded.

          6. Gadfly

            The one I DIDN’T keep my cool on is just too noxious to discuss. Walked out of Sunday school so pissed off I was crying.

            Now you’ve piqued my curiosity. Not that I want you to dwell on something that brings up bad emotions, but at the same time I kind of want to know. It’s like an HM link. I know I shouldn’t click on it, but the knowledge that I shouldn’t is like a siren song calling me towards it.

          7. Okay, I will try without getting into specifics of Book of Mormon politics…

            After much logical wandering, it came around to the parable of the rich man and the Beatitudes and boiled down to this:

            Having money is a sin.

            Now, this is a church that low-key sees wealth as a virtue, so that was one thing that shocked me. Another thing that shocked me was that the dude who was endorsing this view is wealthy.

            But throughout the discussion, starting with a discussion of the Gadianton Robbers (yes, that’s where our esteemed but AWOL Glibbie got his moniker), it just devolved into a circlejerk of “poverty is a virtue” because somehow Jesus said so. Um, whu? Nooooooo he didn’t and if you had money, you were no better than a Gadianton Robber.

            I just couldn’t stand it and I blurted out, “I cannot believe I am hearing this.” Then went on a rant for a good 10 minutes. Whole place was silent–and it was in a very big echoey gym. You could’ve heard a pin drop and the more I talked the madder I got until I was crying.

            Then I stormed out.

            Note: I did not FLOUNCE. I STORMED.

          8. Gadfly

            Thanks for sharing. My curiosity has been satisfied.

            And I can see how that situation would be rage-inducing, especially given all the context you provided.

          9. I was raised with a low-key “poverty is a virtue” vibe. I always FELT something was wrong with that, but I was very young and couldn’t pinpoint what the problem was.

            Here it is 40 years later and I have not quite shaken myself of that vibe totally, but I fight it tooth and nail.

            That discussion hit a REALLY sore spot.

          10. Mad Scientist

            If all those junkies who live under the bridge down by the river are going to heaven…I’ll pass.

          11. Scruffy Nerfherder

            Poverty is educational, not a virtue.

          12. Gadfly

            Yeah, the whole “poverty is a virtue” doesn’t make sense to me, for anyone coming from one of the Christian traditions, given how often in the Bible it is commanded to help the poor. The poor wouldn’t need all that help if poverty was a good thing. And in fact, wouldn’t it be a vice to give to the poor if poverty was a virtue? But that’s clearly not so. I think I would’ve liked to have heard your rant on the topic.

          13. I think I would’ve liked to have heard your rant on the topic.

            This was years and years and years ago, so I don’t remember much of what I said. What I do remember was that I was fresh off a re-read of The Fountainhead, so I was primed.

            I know I said things along the lines of:

            1) How do you take care of the poor if you yourself are poor? The parable of the widow’s mite doesn’t work here because if everyone’s poor, nobody has anything, that’s it. You’re dead. For real. Cuz you’ll starve.

            2) Jesus never said poverty was a virtue. He said blessed are those who are poor, which is an entirely different thing.

            3) Let us reflect upon the parable of the talents. Jesus made it clear that the servant who buried his talent was the slothful one, but the two who doubled their money were the good servants.

            4) The book of Proverbs is chock full of financial advice for gaining wealth. Why? If poverty is a virtue, Proverbs would have let you know, fast and hard.

            5) How dare you (pointing to person who said it–who, by the way, was the bishop) compare people with money to a criminal enterprise (Gadianton Robbers). Having money is not a crime.

            6) Why are there no poor bishops, stake presidents, or higher general authorities? Because they don’t have the luxury of time and resources to fill a volunteer position the way well-off men do.

            That’s all I can think of, but it was a vicious rant. I got a couple of thanks later on.

          14. Scruffy Nerfherder

            There’s a lot more discussion about suffering as a virtue in the Christian faith.

            Personall, I think it’s a post hoc explanation for the existence of suffering under a loving God.

          15. slumbrew

            Gadianton Robbers

            Were they a secret band of robbers, by any chance? Because that would be an awesome crossover.

          16. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadianton_robbers

            Just a regular ol’ Mafia type situation.

            Not secret.

          17. slumbrew

            The Gadianton robbers (/ˌɡædiˈæntən/),[1] according to the Book of Mormon, were a secret criminal organization in ancient America.

            It says “secret” right there, so I shall now engage in some sort of tenuous Lysander Spooner / Mormon conspiracy theorizing.

          18. There’s a lot more discussion about suffering as a virtue in the Christian faith.

            I think a lot of it comes from Job.

          19. The Mafia’s “secret” too.

          20. Fourscore

            A friend came to my office one day, asked if he could borrow my Rem 1100 to go hunting. I’d almost said ‘yes’ when I remembered and said, “You have a shotgun, that Browning over-under” He said “I don’t want to take a chance in scratching it”

            Me: “I’ll be hunting this week end myself.” He never asked again

          21. He said “I don’t want to take a chance in scratching it”

            What a cunte.

          22. You were far more polite about it than I would have been. I’d have told him to go fuck himself.

          23. Spudalicious

            I have a Citori Gran Lightning o/u. I has plenty of scratches.

          24. Spudalicious

            * it

          25. Fourscore

            Guns are to be cared for and enjoyed. Rust and government are bad, a scratch is character and a memory.

          26. a scratch is character and a memory.

            That’s how I feel about hardback books. The more worn, the more beloved.

          27. slumbrew

            I have a Citori Gran Lightning o/u. I has plenty of scratches.

            That’s a quality humble-brag right there. Well done.

          28. Spudalicious

            LOL! I guess it was, wasn’t it.

          29. Viking1865

            My toothbrush? Sure. My wife? Maybe. My gun? Never.

    3. AlmightyJB

      Well at least the gene pool will slightly improve.

    1. AlmightyJB

      One and done

  16. Festus

    On the hospital. Acute pancreatitis and some other things. Will update if possible. Only have my phone.

    1. Dude! Get well! That’s an order. We cannot be without you.

    2. Dr. Fronkensteen

      Ug, Get better as soon as you can.

    3. Tres Cool

      Holy shit! Get it together. Tres Sr. went in 2X for pancreatitis. I understand its no picnic.

    4. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Get better.

    5. Bobarian LMD

      and some other things.

      Just tell them you fell on it and that’s how it got stuck up there.

      Get well.

    6. Spudalicious

      Take care of yourself. Pancreatitis is no picnic.

      1. Fourscore

        What everyone else said X 2. Good luck, Pardner and get well ASAP

    7. Ow. The Old Man came down with that when he was 90. It’s no joke. Get better soon.

    8. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I don’t know what a pancreas is, but I sure hope they help you get rid of it soon.

      1. Fourscore

        I learned a lot about pancreatitis today, thanks to Festus. I’m glad its not contagious via the internet. One more thing to worry about. Damn

    9. Tulip

      Yikes, get better

    10. Sorry to hear that! Hopefully they get you fixed up and you’re on the mend soon!

    11. Gender Traitor

      Aye yi yi! Please get betterquickerfaster! Hope you have great nurses & good drugs!

    12. Count Potato

      Get well soon.

    13. Sean

      Apply some maple syrup and get better fast.

    14. Galt1138

      Yikes! Hope all goes well and you have a quick recovery!

  17. The Late P Brooks

    The 2016 election exposed a national rift so deep that it feels as if even reasonable conversation is impossible. I’m a liberal New Yorker, but I know that plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum worry that this divide poses an existential threat to the American democratic project.

    For some reason, I suspect this person couldn’t give a fuck less about the “rift”. What grieves him so badly is the wrong TEAM won.

    1. Rhywun

      Perhaps, but from reading/skimming the article he seems more open-minded than most of his peers.

      1. Ayn Random Variation

        I’ll still NEVER FORGET the DAY AFTER. people were hysterical at my job and everywhere. it was the end of the world. Literally Hitler. We’re all getting deported. Concentration camps. End of Democracy. Economy will collapse….

        You’re in NYC so you know what I’m saying.

        1. Fatty Bolger

          “If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.” -Krugnuts

        2. Rhywun

          Enh, it was pretty mild for me. Nobody at work said anything. Pretty conservative industry, though.

          There was one crazy bag lady on the train, that’s it.

        3. slumbrew

          Here in deepest-blue Mass, my one out conservative friend and I were having dinner at a local place the night of the election, both of us resigned to 4-to-8 years of Herself.

          The unease of our fellow patrons as the night wore on was palpable and hilarious – the two of us had to stifle ourselves before someone flipped out on us.

          The next few days were delightful. I can’t believe putative adults would let a lost election impact them that much.

          It’s not like Trump is any friend of liberty but that few days of schadenboner was an unexpected surprise.

          1. Galt1138

            Indeed. And as the years of Trump continue on, much of the left gets more and more hysterical.

            Trump is a boorish clod. But, my god the left are having grade A conniptions, and it’s glorious to watch.

      2. ruodberht

        Yeah, is this Bizarro World? The article seemed…fine? The comments here are odd.

        1. Brett L

          The difference is between people who read the article and people who read the title.

          1. Narratives aren’t just for breakfast anymore.

          2. Rhywun

            I suspect the same.

          3. Viking1865

            The issue for me is that I’ve seen so so so very many of these “conservatives in the mist” type articles that, yes maybe there’s a guy writing it from an open minded POV, but I’m not betting money on it, and sorry, I don’t think this guy is very different.

            Imagine a gun control debate that avoided an argument over the value and necessity of guns, but instead was framed around how to protect civil liberties and limit gun violence without excessive governmental involvement. Imagine if care were taken to frame the discussion not as outsiders trying to impose their will on people whose culture they did not understand, but rather as one among people with a shared interest in protecting the safety of their children.

            This is Obama style “there are some who say and some who say , I believe there is a moderate middle way, and that way is ”

            It presumes that more gun control will protect children, and that those opposed to more gun control are, by the fact of their opposition, placing children at risk. The author is trying his best to be open minded, but he just can’t help himself. Notice also how he contrasts civil liberties and gun violence, as though the more civil liberties we have, the more gun violence results.

            Some fish don’t know they are swimming in water, but even the fish who do realize they are swimming in water are unable to breathe air. He’s not actually quite yet realized the other sides fundamental premise. Or he has, and he doesn’t want to articulate it.

          4. Galt1138

            Not only that, but his gun control hypothetical ignores that there WAS such a discussion like that, and it largely happened in the 1980s. When the gun grabbers realized they can’t win on the facts, the mask slipped, and they stopped pretending they wanted to compromise. Fuck those statists.

    2. Fatty Bolger

      Yes, yes, somebody you didn’t like got elected, so clearly the country is ungovernable. *yawn*

  18. The Late P Brooks

    Jeepers, Festus. Heal yourself up.

  19. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    Mr. “Present” could learn a lot from Massie

    https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1184924791381352449

    Thomas Massie

    18 years, thousands of US soldiers’ funerals, hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, millions of refugees, and trillions of dollars later, both of Bush’s wars are still dragging on and he has the audacity to say this. ?‍♂️

    1. tarran

      I am a very community minded fellow, and hate selfish people who isolate themselves.

      Therefore, I will be firing a few rounds into my neighbors’ homes every week or so… just so that they know I care. 🙄

      1. Hyperion

        Just for good measure, lob a few grenades over there at least once a month. Just to show how much you care.

        1. Hyperion

          And if there would happen to be a wedding party, you may want to buy a bazooka for those festivities.

        2. tarran

          Would using a flame-thrower be too forward? I don’t want to be overly affectionate.

          1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            Just use a couple sky robots to kill their kids. They’ll appreciate it

          2. Hyperion

            Yep, that will make them luv Murica and then the survivors will come here and vote democrat. Ask Hillary, works every time.

      2. Sell both spouses baseball bats for their next domestic dispute. Oh, and tell them scandalous thing about one another behind their backs. Oh, and if one starts getting their ass kicked, go over their and kick the winner’s ass just enough that they stop brawling.

    2. leon

      Isolationist: moving 50 soldiers Out of region the United States has no legal ground to be in.

      1. dontreadonme

        ^Exactly

    3. Tulip

      Real question, if the rest of the world (aka Europe) thinks this is so important, why don’t they send troops? Last I heard France was taking steps to protect French citizens in the area.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Because they know we’re stupid said that will do it for them while they get to criticize us for domestic political points.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          said = saps

    4. Ayn Random Variation

      what a dick. though seeing leftists on the same side as Bushhitler is comic gold

    5. Aus

      I highly recommend following Massie’s twitter feed. It’s one of the few I go out of my way to check up on.

      1. Aus

        Oh… and he follows me which was my proudest moment on twitter lol 🙂

  20. The Late P Brooks

    I have to invent a tool, so i can mount my truck tires. Either I am old and feeble, or these tires are so big and heavy duty that I can’t “just” shove the back side bead down over the rim. Probably both.

    Inventing and fabricating tools is actually fun and rewarding, but I really really don’t need another time sink.

    1. Mad Scientist

      Harbor Freight makes a tire mounting/demounting thing, but it’s really, really tough to do anything larger than a motorcycle tire. If you have large sidewalls on your truck tires, you may be able to get it done with lots of lubrication. Just remember to keep the bead in the well while you’re prying it over the rim.

      1. Bobarian LMD

        That is a lot of euphemisms.

        1. Mad Scientist

          Just wait until we start discussing rapid inflation and bead seating with combustion!

          1. Bobarian LMD

            Oooh, kinky!

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Ruglyde and leaving the tires in the hot sun helped when I needed to change tires on a tractor where the wheels were rusted onto the axle and couldn’t be removed.

  21. The Late P Brooks

    Perhaps, but from reading/skimming the article he seems more open-minded than most of his peers.

    I bailed out after about a half-dozen paragraphs.

  22. Hyperion

    I just got home, traffic sucks balls right now, 1 hour to drive 9 miles.

    1. Hyperion

      Which is why I still find it amazing that my wife wanted a car and she’s out driving around and shopping right now, in this shit traffic. Sometimes I swear I’d never leave the house if I didn’t have to visit clients.

      1. dontreadonme

        Shopping for chicks is like chasing tail for dudes….there is no obstacle too large….

    2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      “traffic sucks balls right now”

      would traffic?

      1. Hyperion

        Don’t stick it in crazy.

  23. Raven Nation
  24. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

    In a just world, the US would fight regime change wars with the children of NYT, WaPo, CNN, and Fox reporters while lower income Americans get to cheerlead “more, more, more”

    1. Hyperion

      “NYT, WaPo, CNN, and Fox reporters”

      Don’t forget Congress.

    2. Ownbestenemy

      My brother who is severly on the left is pissed about Trump pulling out of Syria.

      Not more than 16 years ago complained that I was a Bush lover for joining his new crusades.

      I told him to call his soon to be 18 year old nephew and let him know he supports him going to war now in a land he was pissed we ever went to war for in the first place.

      1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

        The fact that murder is such a partisan issue is disgraceful. If you cannot explain in one sentence why you need to go to war somewhere then you should not go to war

      2. Hyperion

        “left”

        There are 2 sorts of lefties. The serious ones who are true bleevers, and the signalers. The signalers, they’re just mad because their team didn’t win. So it’s no surprise they love war when Trump pulls out of a war, but also pissed when Bush went in. It’s like how if a player is on another team, they hate the dirty hit that guy just put on their QB, but if he gets traded to their team, they love the same hit on the opposing QB.

        1. slumbrew

          how if a player is on another team, they hate the dirty hit that guy just put on their QB…

          For the record, I said Aqib Talib was a dirty player even while he was still with the Patriots.

          1. Hyperion

            Obviously, you aren’t a lefty, or you probably wouldn’t be hanging out here, since we’d make you blow a fuse. But I’m like that also, as a Raiders fan, I was perfectly fine when Vontaze Burfict got suspended for the season for an intentional helmet to helmet on the Colts QB. I mean if he didn’t have a long history of this type thing, maybe different, but he did. The guy is just an intentionally dirty player with no respect for rules or the safety of others. I even got into it with another Raiders fan for defending the guy, because it was bullshit all the way.

          2. slumbrew

            Indeed, you’d have to be a wild homer to think the Burfict suspension was totally out of line. He’s been a shitbag for years.

        2. Ownbestenemy

          His left is borne in his 1-year residency in a Socialist Democracy country and 6-7 years in college.

          1. Hyperion

            “6-7 years in college”

            That long in your typical liberal college these days, he’ll probably never recover from it.

  25. Tulip

    Another question, we had an agreement that we would defend Georgia, but we didn’t honor it. Why is this different?

    1. Spudalicious

      We didn’t have an agreement we would defend the kurds. They were allies of convenience and they knew it. They knew at some point we would be leaving.

      1. Viking1865

        Yeah the whole RULE OF LAWW!!!11111 thing is puzzling to me.

        Last I checked, the US can only be committed to an alliance with the advice and consent of the Senate, which legally speaking means the Senate ratifies a treaty. That’s why we are committed to the defense of Turkey.

        I’m not sure how exactly the US as a political entity can be committed to a the defense of a stateless ethnic group without defined borders.

        1. Spudalicious

          Because facts no longer matter.

    2. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      Did we? We got friendly with them, but I don’t think we ever said we’d defend them.

      1. Viking1865

        They’re not a member of NATO, but they might have had some kind of unconstitutional bullshit agreement.

        1. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

          I remember talk about letting them into NATO, but as far as I know that went nowhere, especially once Russia had troops in Georgia.

  26. Fatty Bolger
    1. Rhywun

      Jeebus. A “happy ending”, at least.

    2. Hyperion

      He’s lucky he didn’t get shot dead over his tomato plants that look like marijuana. I mean, I don’t think that has ever happened yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I guess the most dangerous thing these days is for you to be holding a cell phone (that looks just like a gun) in your hand. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    3. Hyperion

      Reason number one trillion why controlled substances are the worst idea ever, and definitely unconstitutional. But I doubt we’ll ever have a court with the guts to challenge that.

  27. Suthenboy

    On the possibility of Trump comping the whole G7 circus: My brother loves to fish. He can cast in my yard and reel one in, geez. I told my wife I like fishing with him but not here in our bayou. “Why not?” she asked. “Because letting him down there is just like seining the whole damn bayou. ”

    Bonus points if Trump serves them crow.

  28. Hyperion

    I guess Trump killed Elijah Cummings.

    1. Gender Traitor

      Or Cummings had something on the Clintons.

      1. Hyperion

        My first thought was that he died of no functional brain cells, but that’s sort of mean, so no, Trump did it. You could know it, because Trump said mean things about Balmer, which totally aren’t true, I mean it’s not a shithole (really about 15% of the city isn’t!). I’m just a few miles from Cummings having been my rep, and really, Sarbnes is no better, none of them are. Every politician is this city is both a democrat and corrupt as any third world despot.

    2. hayeksplosives

      I think irrational hate and paranoia can’t be good for one’s health.

      1. I will always believe that my dad’s need to die on every hill killed him at 51.

        1. Hyperion

          Yeah, sorry for your loss, but you gotta pick your battles, if you can’t possibly avoid them.

          1. Thank you, but no condolences needed.

            I have grown very, very careful about picking battles why, how, when, and where.

            I also stopped having some sort of false pride in “winning.” Winning what? At what cost? Does it matter? Does it enrich me? Does it make anything better? Is this Entity worth arguing with?

            It occurred to me that smart commanders retreat to fight another day. If the greatest commanders the world has ever known had to retreat, it is no reflection on me if I do.

          2. AlmightyJB

            I never battle. If something’s that important to me, I just declare victory and move on. Otherwise, I just don’t care.

          3. My husband has won battles with companies through sheer tenacity. Of course, we have a lot more to lose than they do.

            Humans are scary motherfuckers.

          4. Shirley Knott

            Ah, Mojeaux*, you have the most eclectic set of not-quite-bizzare links.
            Je t’adore 😉

            *Autocorrect really really hates your nym.

          5. *blush* Awww, thankssssss.

            Here’s another one for you, but it’s more of a girlie joke:

            Me: *looking through a telescope*: Wow, the universe is so beautiful

            God: *placing hands inside black holes*: Thanksssss, it has pockets

          6. Shirley Knott

            Mo — LOL
            Pockets are essential.

          7. Galt1138

            That link you posted is funny. But, I’d say there a LOTS of sci-fi stories where humans are the antagonist, and the “wise, intelligent, rational” aliens have to show us how dangerous our destructive nature is.

            Granted, the link was talking about a different and unintentional danger from humans.

          8. Hyperion

            “I also stopped having some sort of false pride in “winning.” Winning what? At what cost? Does it matter? Does it enrich me? Does it make anything better? Is this Entity worth arguing with?”

            Wise words, Moj, you have to weigh the value of things. Is it worth it? In a lot of situations, it is not. But I have myself known a lot of people who would fight with you or anyone else all day, at any cost, over the most trivial of things.

          9. Gender Traitor

            I suck at interpersonal conflict if high emotions are involved. I get a mild panic reaction, so the issue at hand better be one I feel strongly about and believe in wholeheartedly if I’m going to consider it worth fighting about. If that makes me a sissypussywuss, so be it.

          10. Hyperion

            “If that makes me a sissypussywuss, so be it.”

            No, it actually makes you a better person, perhaps one who someone might be able to get along with. Trivial is trivial, it’s never worth it, ever.

          11. AlmightyJB

            No, that just makes you sane.

          12. I can go to bat with the best of them but I would rather not. The fight-or-flight adrenaline rush is nauseating.

            And I can’t get seriously pissed off without crying, which kind of defeats the point of being pissed off. It’s not in the least bit intimidating.

          13. Galt1138

            A wise way to look at it.

            I have to deal with a lot of interpersonal conflict at work, due to the large number of freelancers we employ on our various shows.

            Between the freelancers complaining about not getting enough shifts, and producers complaining about not getting their favorite editor, graphic artist, audio mixer (“It’s post season MLB! Nobody outside of the MLB and NFL groups get their favorites!”), it’s never a boring time.

      2. Hyperion

        “I think irrational hate and paranoia can’t be good for one’s health.”

        It didn’t work out too well for Hitler or Saddam Hussein, in the end.

        1. In the end, life doesn’t work out too well for anybody.

          1. Hyperion

            Well, we don’t know yet, Those 27 virgins might be awaiting us.

          2. AlmightyJB

            I’d rather have one girl who knows what she’s doing and 27 different beers every day. Also, my team never loses.

          3. Hyperion

            Man, I ain’t saying you got to live with them. How would that be Heaven? But yeah, lots of beer, that’s for sure part of Heaven.

          4. AlmightyJB

            I don’t know. I don’t want to live forever.

          5. Hyperion

            I do. What is wrong with you man? It can’t be that bad, there’s still beer to try.

          6. Hyperion

            And pussy, I mean titties, let’s see em, titties.

          7. AlmightyJB

            I’m not ready to go anywhere now. I want to enjoy a nice long retirement at some point:) I just know that getting old sucks and at some point I’ll be done with the bullshit. If I could be young forever, that would be different.

          8. Hyperion

            “If I could be young forever, that would be different.”

            Well, that’s the goal, man. Of course no one wants to liver forever old.

          9. Have I mentioned my idea for a vampire novel? Frumpy, middle-aged housewife gets turned.

            I thought it would be a very fun book to write, but then I realized she’d be living paycheck to paycheck for the rest of eternity and I got depressed.

          10. AlmightyJB

            “Frumpy, middle-aged housewife”

            I’ll be in my bunk

          11. slumbrew

            They sort of did that on True Blood – Stephen Root plays a middle-aged, frumpy dude who got turned.

          12. Fatty Bolger

            I do. Or at least until I decide I don’t.

          13. AlmightyJB

            What if you could upload your brain to a computer? Would you do it? What if there was a chance you could never unplug? Would you still do it?

          14. Fatty Bolger

            Good question. I’d be tempted. But losing any choice in the matter would give me pause.

          15. Gender Traitor

            What if you could upload your brain to a computer?

            “Donna Noble is in the library. Donna Noble has been saved.”

            (From my favorite episodes of Doctor Who. Best Doctor, best companion, and the introduction of River Song.)

          16. Hyperion

            JB, the upload brain into a computer is another story. That would probably be an unproven technology, forever. How would you know it was you, you’d be conscious of it? How could anyone prove it? ‘Hey is that you?’. Yeah, it’s me.’

            as a last resort maybe. But I’d rather just stick around here in this body for as long as possible.

          17. AlmightyJB

            River Song is cool.

          18. Gender Traitor

            “Hello, Sweetie!”

          19. Hyperion

            I find that the biggest hurdle to radical life extension is people’s attitudes. Maybe it’s because of religious beliefs ‘Hey, only I get to live forever! And it’s free! Because I said so! Because it’s my Gawd and he only loves me!’. The technology is a definite reality eventually if we don’t kill ourselves off yet. I think that is changing, if we don’t kill ourselves off with political correctness.

          20. Rhywun

            Spoilers!

          21. Shirley Knott

            Careful what you wish for. Jorge
            Louis Borges and Neal Asher* both painted really quite horrific possible outcomes. Per Asher, consider that you need not just immortality but complete regeneration. Or, well, eventually bits fall off, and eventually they’ve all fallen off … then where are you?

            *[same universe, entirely different galactic superclusters]

  29. AlmightyJB

    I’m glad they had men there to turn the machines on and off for them. Lol.

    https://youtu.be/cxpAVCan4CQ

    1. Yusef Adama

      How very dreary it all seemed, Socialism strikes again….

      1. AlmightyJB

        Bernie and Liz are promising to build these in every city.

    2. Rhywun

      I guess “laundromat” is an Americanism?

  30. KibbledKristen

    Waving emoji

    My favorite part of this shit week was watching that skinny-pant-wearing hipster get dragged off the roof of that tube train by those Eastenders.

    1. KK! Howdy!!!

      1. KibbledKristen

        Helllooooo my similarly-breasted friend!

        1. Do you think we should bring that discussion over here? *side eye at the gentlemen*

          1. KibbledKristen

            LOLbA few of em have already seen it, I’m guessing

          2. KibbledKristen

            Ayup 😀

          3. You really think there are any gentlemen in this bawdy den of iniquity?

          4. I like the word “gentlemen.” It’s classy.

          5. Gender Traitor

            Giving them the benefit of the not-inconsiderable doubt.

          6. Rhywun

            It’s classy.

            Which is why it has to go, citizen.

          7. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

            Yeah, like gentlemen’s clubs. Classy.

          8. “Gentlemen” is hate speech and hate speech is not free speech?

            Also, triggering?

            Also, assumes gender?

            Also, microaggression?

          9. Fatty Bolger

            Oh, don’t mind us. Carry on. *whistles*

        2. AlmightyJB

          Pics?

        3. Gender Traitor

          Was a side-by-side comparison involved?

          1. AlmightyJB

            Or front to front?

          2. Sadly, no bearing of the breasteses happened.

            We were bitching that when we lose weight, the boobs go first and the double chin goes never.

          3. Sean

            After going keto, my gf waxed unpoetically about this. Though the double chin thing never came up.

          4. I didn’t notice that until KK mentioned it and then I realized she was right.

          5. KibbledKristen

            I’d rather lose my double chin than my tummy, any day. But newp…nature sez the boobs go first, the double chin last

          6. KibbledKristen

            I feel like even Megan McCain’s breasts would disappear if she went down a few sizes

          7. Gender Traitor

            Yeah, dammit! WTF is up with that??? ::crosses arms, scowls::

          8. And then they disappear like a Cheshire cat, leaving only nipples behind…

          9. Shirley Knott

            ^Mo, that made me laugh.

          10. I can only take credit for “leaving the nipples behind.”

            A Twitter friend said the Cheshire cat part. I am trying to lure him over here, all siren-like and whatnot. He would be a good fit.

          11. Riven was in on this conversation too.

            *looks around* Where’s Riven?

          12. *sigh*

            *baring, not bearing.

            Ted, I am disappoint.

          13. Sean

            Maybe an independent third party evaluator?

            Bow chicka wow wow.

        4. You both have cubic breasts?

          Kinky.

    2. Gustave Lytton

      Hey KK! I think I remembered the videos from when you were gone.

      Flying into ORD on a Cessna

      https://youtu.be/vipvtaRbQho

      Errol Morris’s interview with Denny Fitch (DC10 check airman riding as a passenger on UA232)

      https://youtu.be/o8vdkTz0zqI

      1. KibbledKristen

        Cool!! Denny Fitch!!

        1. Gustave Lytton

          Yeah, I came across it when Al Haynes died back in August.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Both men are/were giants. I don’t they could have done a better job if they’d each just taken a wing underneath like Superman and brought that DC10 down that way.

      2. KibbledKristen

        My personal aviation emergency heroes:

        Al Haynes
        Denny Fitch
        Sully
        Lenny Skutnik

        1. Shirley Knott

          Um, are you (KK, Gustave, others?) into the history of aviation? I’ve got a metric fuck-tonne of info on WW1 aircraft. Videos of 2 fly-ins dedicated to reproductions, restorations, etc. Bristol F2B and Sopwith Triplane were my personal favs, but lots of good stuff.
          Rotary engines are pretty funky. Fun to watch, and hear.

          1. KibbledKristen

            Awesome SK!! I am almost exclusively into commercial aviation (historic or otherwise), but I will always oogle a nice C5 or C17.

          2. Gustave Lytton

            Same here.

            I believe Mad a Scientist is the resident rotary engine aficionado.

          3. whahappan

            Different kind of rotary.

      3. KibbledKristen

        Speaking of flying, I just got a notification that my 2:55pm flight to JFK in December is now 9:40am. WTF? I had kind of planned to work a 1/2 day, gize.

        (I’m going to NY for a weekend at the TWA Hotel. Hashtag avgeek)

        1. KibbledKristen

          (also when I fly JFK to LCY next year, I have to fly from DCA to LGA because American offers almost no flights to JFK. Like, two daily. Then I gotta take a bus to JFK. Luckily I travel light.)

        2. Gustave Lytton

          Do you care if you get in late? Get AA to move you to the 3:xx arriving 8:xx via RDU or 5:xx arriving 11:xx via CLT. Schedule change is enough that they will waive the change fee and fare difference.

      4. KibbledKristen

        I’m have to get some o’ this https://siouxcitygifts.com/collections/fly-sux

    3. straffinrun

      A little more blood wouldn’t have harmed the plot line, but yeah, that was great.

    4. Suthenboy

      You must have missed Pelosi, Schumer and Hoyer’s 3 stooges act all jostling to be the first one in front of the mic after their walking out on Trump tantrum. That was at least as good.

      1. Hyperion

        I hear that all 3 of them won and that Trump will be impeached and removed from office, or maybe just quit, any day now. /Matt Drudge

  31. Sean

    Is Friday yet?

    No?

    *pours deep glass of bourbon*

    *sigh*

    1. Gender Traitor

      It’s Friday Eve!

      1. Hyperion

        Yes, this, drank up Glibs! I mean if you’re working at home tomorrow. Otherwise, drink responsibly.

    2. straffinrun

      Yes.

      *Drinks can coffee*

    3. JaimeRoberto: Gentleman, Scholar, French Tickler

      It’s Friday somewhere.

  32. KibbledKristen

    Even though it’s supposed to be in the 40’s tonight, I’m reluctant to turn off my fans. I feel like summer is going to show up again like a creepy stalker.

    1. AlmightyJB

      I just turned on the heat two nights ago. I keep fans running year round for the noise.

      1. KibbledKristen

        I like the noise, too. I avoid fans that advertise themselves as “quiet”. But I have an app for the noise now so I don’t miss the fans when I turn them off.

      2. Sean

        I will run both the heat and the ac on the same day to maintain my comfort. No apologies.

    2. Hyperion

      Didn’t you move to VA? It was sort of chilly here in MD today, but I don’t think it will get below 50 tonight. I have the heat on though, it is a little chilly.

      1. KibbledKristen

        My weather app says 44 for a low tonight

        1. Hyperion

          I’m seeing 50, still pretty chilly.

    3. KibbledKristen

      Also, the dog gets cold in the temps I like to sleep in, so there’s another reason the fans gotta go.

  33. straffinrun

    “Let me be clear [ridiculous bullshit]”

    Warren gonna ride this formula to victory!