Wednesday Afternoon Links

My oldest kid is sick, which is really not surprising given the other little plague vectors he interacts with on a daily basis. Still, he’s getting to that age where he can be put on a couch with a bucket, a big container of Gatorade, and the remote and whoever is nominally watching him can get things done. So that’s nice.

Makers of liquor sued for… encouraging a drinking culture at work. Next you’ll tell me that dental hygienists are encouraged to keep their teeth clean.

I don’t know exactly what I’d call this, but not suspended animation. It cools you down to slow the rate at which your cells consume oxygen to increase the time surgeons have to get your blood pressure up.

I’m really interested to find out what the standard is for “corrupting labor talks” with the UAW is. Did Fiat-Chrysler bring bigger suitcases full of cash or just more of them?

Charles Barkley at his best.

Comments

353 responses to “Wednesday Afternoon Links”

  1. Count Potato

    Sorry, about the sick kid. Hope he gets well soon.

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    Qaaaa, I have to drink at work

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      Waaa, and Second!

    2. Count Potato

      Heating, Ventilation, And Cans?

    3. Florida Man

      I knew a sales rep that was complaining because she “had” to drink during all the sales pushes. She was contemplating having to quit even though it paid well because she was afraid of becoming an alcoholic.

      1. Mad Scientist

        That’s totally how it happens. People who drink reluctantly suddenly become insatiable drinking fiends who can’t stop no matter how many baby strollers they crush on the way to the next bar.

        1. +1 day of wine and roses

        2. Bobarian LMD

          That’s how it happened to me…

          Oh wait, you said ‘reluctantly’ and not ‘incessantly’.

          Never mind.

      2. Enough About Palin

        Order Virgin Bloody Marys.

      3. Tundra

        Jesus. Man up a little.

        I’ve never had any issues ordering a club soda with a lime. I hate drinking with co-workers, anyway.

        1. Florida Man

          I hate coworkers.

          1. What is this word, “coworkers,” please?

          2. Florida Man

            Coworker: lazy POS I have to pickup the slack for, while they get paid the same per hour.

          3. Oh, I have one of those. She shows up when I am not properly medicated.

          4. commodious spittoon

            properly medicated

            Speaking of drinking.

        2. Not Adahn

          Jesus. Man up a little.

          H-Hate Speech!!!

  3. Count Potato

    “Next you’ll tell me that dental hygienists are encouraged to keep their teeth clean.”

    I don’t go to the dentist. However the last time I went, the dental hygienist kept smushing her tits in my face while cleaning my teeth. I’m not complaining, but it just seemed odd.

    1. pistoffnick

      address, plz?

    2. Drake

      Sounds like a brag to me.

    3. Mad Scientist

      Thicc?

    4. Florida Man

      I have some women put their breast on me and I’ve wondered if they are hitting on me or just careless.

      1. Count Potato

        It seemed deliberate because she cleaned teeth for living. There are plenty of women out there with histrionic personality disorders that do outrageously sexual things, but then play innocent if men respond.

  4. Certified Public Asshat

    Just FYI Charles Barkley told me tonight “I don’t hit women but if I did I would hit you,” and then when I objected to that he told me I “couldn’t take a joke.”— Alexi McCammond (@alexi) November 20, 2019

    I don’t have anything to add, but she is very attractive.

    1. leon

      She also takes offense at him not treating her like one of the boys.

      1. RBS

        Her bio reads exactly like what you would expect.

        1. Chipwooder

          Christ, another child right out of college who purports to lecture to those of us who have been out in the world for more than twenty minutes. Political writer for Cosmo and Bustle – very very impressive stuff there.

          1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

            I wonder how her woke beliefs sell in her hometown of Rockford

          2. Chipwooder

            I literally have t-shirts older than her

          3. Enough About Palin

            And Barkley’s quote would be great on a t-shirt.

          4. Enough About Palin

            Oh and I have t-shirts twice her age.

        2. Count Potato

          “She’s Been Drugged Twice

          While working at Cosmopolitan, McCammond wrote about her experience of being drugged in 2014 when she accepted a drink from a stranger. She warned readers to be careful while going out drinking with friends. Unfortunately, on April 6, 2019, she announced via Twitter that she was absent from digital communication because she was recovering from being drugged while getting drinks at the St. Regis hotel in Washington, D.C.”

          That’s turrubell.

          1. Florida Man

            Toxicology reports says she was drugged with “alcohol”.

          2. R C Dean

            being drugged in 2014 when she accepted a drink from a stranger

            So, she’s stupid.

            drugged while getting drinks at the St. Regis hotel in Washington, D.C.

            How? Did she get shot with a tranquilizer dart?

          3. Fatty Bolger

            Didn’t happen, anyway. This one’s dangerous. She’ll eventually move on to making false rape accusations.

        3. Pope Jimbo

          My favorite is that she has been drugged TWICE!

          While working at Cosmopolitan, McCammond wrote about her experience of being drugged in 2014 when she accepted a drink from a stranger. She warned readers to be careful while going out drinking with friends. Unfortunately, on April 6, 2019, she announced via Twitter that she was absent from digital communication because she was recovering from being drugged while getting drinks at the St. Regis hotel in Washington, D.C.

          “Drug me once, shame on you. Drug me twice, shame on me”

          HA! What am I talking about? There is no shame into being drugged twice. And I’m sure that that second episode of being “drugged” was just her off on some bender with friends and that was her excuse when she came back to work.

        4. Bobarian LMD

          Website: Earn the Necklace.

          Hmmm?

          What kind of necklace?

    2. Gender Traitor

      Probably wise NOT to say “I’d hit that.”

      1. Tres Cool

        What you just did there- it was noticed.

      2. DrOtto

        I suspect that is what he was really getting at and it went over her overly sensitive head.

    3. Enough About Palin

      I have never hit a woman. Never. But I once told my physiologically abusive ex (while we were married) that she helped me to understand why some men are driven to do so. She begged me to hit her. Fucking bitch.

      1. Tres Cool

        Ex-Mrs Tres was a boxer in the evenings/weekends (the Malevolent Malefactress of Malfeasance), and once she started to hone her skills I made if very clear that if she were to ever lose her cool and come at me like a man, expect to get dealt-with in kind.

        1. I have written a character whose philosophy was that men should not hit women, but any woman who hit a man and he hit back got what she deserved.

          1. Tres Cool

            Luckily, despite some of the arguments we had, I never had to test that theory.

          2. TARDIS

            My wife and I had that discussion out of the blue before we got married. I don’t know what brought it up. It was so sudden, I was stunned and a bit perturbed. She stated that her father was verbally abusive to her mother and her, and had battered her mother a time or two. (Mom got a nice ring out of it.) He also beat the crap out her brother regularly for stupid shit like not disobeying his little league coach for telling him to bunt instead of swinging for the fence. She told me if I ever hit her she would kill me…seriously. The air and light went out of the room. I was so pissed, i just about walked away. I said two things. I’m all for equality, but I won’t put up with double standards. It goes both ways You hit me, you will get back what you gave, and then some. Maybe not immediately, but eventually. (She’s not a fragile flower, she could probably cheap shot me and take me out.) She paused and agreed with me. She thought that would smooth things over. It didn’t. I followed up with, “Why would you marry someone you thought might be abusive?” It went on from there….

            29 years coming up fast. She recently asked, “When do I get paroled?” Heh.

          3. Tundra

            I know a dude whose wife was no-shit physically abusive. A lot.

            Trouble was, he was a martial arts freak of nature.

            Happily, he and the little asshole are long divorced, but man, it was a really weird time. I kept waiting for the call from the cops to come bail him out. To his credit, he never laid a finger on her.

            It is possible to fight in a healthy way, but some people just don’t know how.

          4. Mad Scientist

            It is possible to fight in a healthy way, but some people just don’t know how.

            Naked, in a tub of Jello. It’s the right thing to do.

          5. TARDIS

            To his credit, he never laid a finger on her.

            I guess if you have the training and a calming sense of inner peace, you can avoid lashing out. Did he treat it as defensive sparring or something?

            I listen to my Marine co-workers’ stories of their multiple divorces and I just goggle at them. Seriously, the shit they put up with with blows me away. I’m much calmer now, but if the shit they endured from their psycho wives happened to me at a younger age; One word: Dexter.

            They mock us farce guys by saying, “You air force guys are just too scared to divorce your wives.”

            *Checks how the kids are doing* *Checks credit card debt* *Checks 401K balances* *Looks around the house*

            Yup, but nope.

          6. Tundra

            Did he treat it as defensive sparring or something?

            Nah. Just took the punches and went somewhere else. It sucked.

          7. Gender Traitor

            Naked, in a tub of Jello.

            Make it Jello pudding and we’ll talk.

      2. R C Dean

        Dang. My ex just slept around on me and generally turned into a proto-SJW while getting her Ph.D. I thought that was bad enough.

        1. Enough About Palin

          To be fair, she was bipolar and having a manic episode.

          1. OneOut

            My ex once screamed at me, ” I’d like to slap the shit out of you right now”.

            I calmly replied that if she did just be prepared for me to whip her ass.

    4. Jarflax

      So of course the whiny bitch interprets a clear statement that he will not strike her as a threat of violence. Taking to twitter to stir up the mob about a joke, NOT a threat, that was made off the record IMHO disqualifies you from ever holding a reporting job again, and also deserves a smack.

    5. Not on the inside …

  5. Chipwooder

    A little Wednesday afternoon music….these chicks really nail the reverb of classic ’60s surf guitar.

    1. Count Potato

      Not the best players, but they have matching outfits.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR7wd4d19go

      1. Chipwooder

        Decent enough players and the sound is just right

  6. Drake

    Link to the careers page? Unfortunately it sounds like it was a French office where people complained. I thought French “workers” were always drunk?

  7. Count Potato

    ““My comment was inappropriate and unacceptable,” Barkley said Wednesday in a statement issued by representatives. “It was an attempted joke that wasn’t funny at all. There’s no excuse for it and I apologize.””

    So you you are saying it was “terruble”?

    1. Chipwooder

      Turrrrble.

      More turrrrble: the legion of white-knight wannabes who are tripping over each other to STRONGLY CONDEMN Sir Charles’s NOT OK comment!

      Fuckin’ pussy ass bitches. I swear, I’m nobody’s idea of a hypermasculine badass, but these fuckers make me look like Lee Marvin and Charles Bronson’s love child in comparison.

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Sounds like an ugly kid.

        1. R C Dean

          Probably. An ugly kid who would kick your ass, though.

    2. R C Dean

      “It was an attempted joke that wasn’t funny at all.

      I chuckled.

      So much is in the delivery, and I know Sir Charles knows how to deliver a joke.

  8. Certified Public Asshat

    Did Fiat-Chrysler bring bigger suitcases full of cash or just more of them?

    I am siding with Fiat-Chrysler, they don’t have any money to bribe anyone with.

    1. Certified Public Asshat

      Nevermind, they are more profitable than I realized. I guess they still sell a lot of Rams and Jeeps.

      1. Mad Scientist

        There’s a sucker born every minute.

    1. Pope Jimbo

      Fake news! Why don’t you blow it out your ass you scaremonger?

    2. -1 Farrah Fawcett

    3. Count Potato

      “What are the risk factors for anal cancer?

      Having anal sex

      Smoking”

      This is why people from the National Cancer Institute are no fun at parties.

    4. ChipsnSalsa

      Too much drug storage going on in people’s asses are causing this uptick in anal cancer.

  9. Pope Jimbo

    McCammond said “there are almost no times” in which she would break an off-the-record agreement, but that this particular instance warranted publicizing.

    McCammond tweeted in response to Barkley’s apology later Wednesday that “those kinds of comments don’t merit off-the-record protections.”

    So in an off the record interview, you get mad and publish what Barkley said? Way to prove that women are just as tough as men and can do exactly the same job.

    1. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Broke: Sexism prevents women from reporting on sports

      Woke: You prove yourself to be sexist if you don’t have women reporting on sports

      Bespoke: It’s sexist to treat female sports reporters as you would any other journalist

      I feel like there is a lot of circular logic that revolves around women and sports and I really don’t get it.

      1. Gender Traitor

        Revoke: Her journalistic license.

        1. JaimeRoberto Delecto

          Toke: I don’t care about any of this.

          1. R C Dean

            Yoke: Tow that social justice lion, shitlord!

    2. R C Dean

      “there are almost no times” in which she would break an off-the-record agreement

      Take note, future off-the-record interviewees.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        She’ll probably take to twitter to shame any source who won’t speak to her off the record.

        Eric Ciaramella won’t talk to me off the record! What a misogynist!

        — Alexi McCammond

      2. Rhywun

        Never, ever do an interview.

      3. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

        Back in the Elder Days when I worked for the Canadian FedGov, one of the few lessons worth learning from that experience was what I was told in an “Encountering the Media” session that all public-facing employees had to take: there’s no such thing as an “off-the-record” interview with a member of the media.

        That has stood me in good stead for decades now.

  10. Instead of Pasternak I saw Tuukka Rask shopping today.

    1. Tundra

      Did you geek out and get a pic?

      1. No, I didn’t feel like interfering. It was some kind of charity event.

        1. leon

          I bet if you donated some money they would have let you talk with him.

        2. Tundra

          Hockey players are a better class of pseudo celebrity. Pretty nice dudes, generally.

          1. Ozymandias

            Concur 1000%. They are the best professional athletes as a group. Has everything to do with the underlying culture of the sport.

          2. Enough About Palin

            The film Slap Shot supports your theory, Oz.

          3. Florida Man

            I nearly got in a fight with a Philadelphia flyer in ybor once, so…I can’t agree. I think part of his problem is I didn’t know who he was, because I don’t care about sports.

          4. Enough About Palin

            You were in Tampa?

          5. Florida Man

            Yes. I was visiting a friend and they were in a bar. I guess they had played the lightning.

          6. Ozymandias

            That’s ‘cuz he was with a team from Philly.

          7. Chipwooder

            I really, really want it to be Scott Hartnell.

          8. Ozymandias

            I think he should be glad it wasn’t someone from the 1970s Flyers.

  11. “That’s NOT OKAY!”

    I’m literally shaking rn.

    1. leon

      Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday that there was an explicit and well-understood quid pro quo between the U.S. and Ukraine: If the latter country wanted a White House meeting with President Donald Trump, then Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy needed to publicly announce politically-charged investigations into Burisma Holdings, where former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board, and into a conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

      https://reason.com/2019/11/20/we-followed-the-presidents-orders-gordon-sondland-says-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo/

      But the ambassador refuted a key part of several previous witness testimonies regarding a July 10 call between U.S. and Ukrainian officials, during which time Sondland mentioned the investigations. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a top White House adviser on Ukraine, and Volker both said Sondland was reprimanded for the remarks, whereas Sondland says that he received no such protestations.

      1. leon

        Damnit

      2. Bobarian LMD

        Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a top White House adviser on Ukraine,

        Who, to be clear, has never spoken to the President.

      3. R C Dean

        there was an explicit and well-understood quid pro quo between the U.S. and Ukraine: If the latter country wanted a White House meeting with President Donald Trump, then Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy needed to publicly announce politically-charged investigations into Burisma Holdings

        Also Sondland:

        During his testimony, Sondland told Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), chairman of the committee, “I finally called the president… I believe I just asked him an open-ended question. ‘What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want?’”

        “It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” the ambassador said.

        Puzzling.

        1. leon

          “It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” the ambassador said.

          I find this hard to believe Trump Said, because i have a hard time believing he knew what Quid Pro Quo was.

          1. R C Dean

            Trump did commercial real estate in NYC. He knows exactly what it is.

      4. OneOut

        Before he left the witness stand one of the R Reps got him to admit that he asked Trump what he wants from Ukraine ?

        Trump answered …Nothing. I doing want anything from them. No quid pro quo. All I want from the President is for him to do the right thing.

        This was before Trump’s call.

        The R looked at him flabbergasted and said….you wrote a 26 page opening statement and you didn’t include this ?

        He replied that he couldn’t fit it in.

        When asked why he said there was in hi s opening statement he said because He presumed there was one.

        I shit you not.

        I don’t know how to post a YouTube link but it’s all over.

        The easiest search will find it for you.

    2. Florida Man

      Why are you shaking a nurse? Hold out on your morphine?

      1. jesse.in.mb

        On behalf of Swiss: *narrows gaze*

        1. Florida Man

          You can’t take Swiss’s thing. That’s cheating!

          1. jesse.in.mb

            Pretty sure I just did.

          2. Not Adahn

            Huh. Swiss steps out and Jesse shows up…

            Has anyone seen the two of them in the same place at the same time?

          3. Einhorn is Finkle! Finkel is Einhorn!

      2. Yusef drives a Kia

        My thoughts exactly

  12. mexican sharpshooter

    Charles Barkley at his best.

    Turrible. Just Turrible

  13. leon

    Trump and his associates have accused Joe Biden of moving to depose a prosecutor in Ukraine to protect his son from a potential investigation related to his association with Burisma. Multiple international agencies sought the prosecutor’s removal on charges of corruption, and the former vice president maintains he was acting on President Obama’s foreign policy directive. George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, previously testified that there was no truth “whatsoever” to Trump’s accusations.

    https://reason.com/2019/11/19/kurt-volker-revises-testimony-and-says-corruption-allegations-against-biden-are-not-credible/

    I keep hearing that the allegations are not credible, but this is all the evidence i’m ever given, which is “The guy fired was accused of corruption and lots of people wanted him fired”. That doesn’t explain how what is alleged by Biden doesn’t stink. I just wish i could get some actual reasons more than just “Well i say it’s not credible”.

    1. Mad Scientist

      Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

    2. “Tulsi Gabbard Apologist”

      Is this the same Reason magazine that assured us that Brett Kavanaugh running a gang rape ring was a credible accusation? The same Reason magazine that pushed a wild eyed conspiracy about some prostitute holding the keys to the Trump campaign’s collussion with Russia?

      I don’t think they are any more of a credible source of information than the corporate press since they’ve gotten everything wrong in the Trump era. They are the alternative that wasn’t.

      1. Drake

        The DNC is the politcial wing of the Democtratic press.

    3. Chipwooder

      Multiple “international agencies”? Those are NEVER corrupt at all.

    4. Drake

      Biden himself bragged about getting the corruption proscecutor fired. How is this deniable?
      https://youtu.be/vCSF3reVr10

      1. It’s the “to protect his son” part that is being denied.

        1. Drake

          It sure sounds like bribery and “quid pro quo”.

          1. It was and as many Trumpsters point out bribery and ‘quid pro quo’ are just normal parts of foreign policy/relations. The argument is that Biden/Obama’s bribery was in the Country’s and international community’s best interests, proven by the fact that the prosecutor they ousted was found to be a corrupt, unreliable, con man, where as Trumps bribery was solely for his own electoral benefit.

          2. Ozymandias

            Except Biden isn’t even the nominee yet.

          3. Mad Scientist

            Nor was he even a declared candidate at the time.

          4. He had been polling as the most likely to beat Trump for month, even before he announced, any political Notradameus would have put him as Trumps biggest threat.

          5. OneOut

            Even if he was does that give him a pass on criminal activity.

            Kill someone.

            Run for President.

            They can’t touch you.

          6. leon

            It was and as many Trumpsters point out bribery and ‘quid pro quo’ are just normal parts of foreign policy/relations.

            Point of Order! I don’t think it’s fair that pointing this out makes one a Trumpster. I think it just makes one realize the reality of Diplomacy.

            The argument is that Biden/Obama’s bribery was in the Country’s and international community’s best interests, proven by the fact that the prosecutor they ousted was found to be a corrupt, unreliable, con man, where as Trumps bribery was solely for his own electoral benefit.

            Here’s the Argument from the other side: That while it may have tangentially helped Trump was pushing corruption probes and its in the nations interest to not be giving money to corrupt governments. One might argue that knowing a candidate is corrupt is also in the nations interest (though it ought to just be assumed). So if Trump is guilty of something then Biden is also guilty because it might have been in national interest, but it was also in his son’s interest. If not then they should both be let go.

            Neither side can let the other go. And this is just one big Circle Jerk of a Power Struggle.

          7. Pope Jimbo

            Power Circle Jerks are the best

          8. don’t think it’s fair that pointing this out makes one a Trumpster

            Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that. Yes anyone can point that out, and not be a Trumpster. But many Trumpsters do make that argument. Saying that many Glibs like beer does not imply that if you like beer you are a Glib.

          9. leon

            Saying that many Glibs like beer does not imply that if you like beer you are a Glib.

            True. your logic is unimpeachable.

            But yes. I’m firmly coming down on this is just more Circle Jerking by the Elites on deciding who get’s to run the show.

            And at this point i’m not sure i care anymore. Let’s just do away with elections so i don’t have to be lectured every 2 years about my “Civic” duty to participate in grabbing and jacking off some politician.

          10. Bobarian LMD

            If you ain’t in there helping with the jacking, you might end getting stuck with the soggy cracker.

          11. Not Adahn

            Except…

            The prosecutor fired by Biden was investigating Burisma. The allegation was “he was corrupt, so he was dragging out the investigation.”

            Once this corrupt, slow-moving-not-investigating-Burisma-fast-enough prosecutor was fired, he was replaced by one that ended the Burisma investigation without taking action.

            Biden’s actions directly benefited Biden’s company.

        2. leon

          And here’s my problem with that. In any other situation the average person would say “That looks fishy”. Any other situation, i’m not just talking politics. You go to a college and get a professor fired, and the professor was also giving your kid a hard time, people would say that looks fishy.

          1. Except the professor wasn’t giving your kid a hard time, a few years ago he was giving the frat your kid is now in a hard time but that was shelved before your kid got there, and now the only one claiming that your kid was ever under scrutiny is the same disgraced professor and he only mentioned this after he was fired.

          2. leon

            You’ve said this before, but everything i’ve seen shows that Biden’s kid was in Burisma’s Board at that time.

          3. OneOut

            And Burisma was petitioning the US State for face to face meeting while bragging that Hunter BIDEN was on their board.

        3. Jarflax

          It has been explained to you over and over and over that the idea is not that it was done to protect the son, it was to protect the company that had paid the son big piles of cash for exactly this kind of influence. One might think the fact that you keep beating this strawman up indicates less than sincere belief it in your argument.

    5. To accuse Biden of corruption is an impeachable offense.

      1. OneOut

        It seems so Grid.
        It seems so.

    6. Scruffy Nerfherder

      If the Ukraine thing is anywhere as deep and extensive as it looks like it may be, there’s a lot of very influential people in DC who have every reason in the world to shut the investigation down in any way possible.

      1. Ozymandias

        I’m reposting this comment from late in the morning links. It seems a propos of this whole impeachment farce.

        The Supreme Court has repeatedly held the President has wide authority in the area of foreign relations. The Executive is specifically granted the right to make treaties in the Constitution (of course with 2/3 Senate approval). We can debate the merits of the SCOTUS decisions and the limits on Presidential power WRT foreign policy, but he leads it. Which means he can largely do whatever the fuck he wants in that area and Congress has extremely limited “oversight.”

        The fact that Trump asked the President of Ukraine to look into a former VP bragging he got a prosecutor fired with $1B in aid money specifically named as the leverage – and that prosecutor happened to be looking into a company where Biden’s son sat on the board – falls under the “maybe Biden shouldn’t have bragged about getting a prosecutor fired specifically on condition of aid money” clause of foreign policy.

        But, of course, this is exactly the Media- DNC collaboration works. They ran the exact same playbook with Hillary’s emails. Trump mentions that people should look into Herself’s criminal activity? That gets you spied upon and THEN becomes the basis for a 3 year long criminal investigation. Again, the Media-DNC intentionally obfuscated what was in her emails AND the fact that under FOIA the America public had an absolute right to know what was in the emails she sent as SecState. That all gets flushed and they re-shape the entire narrative as Trump COLLUDING with Russia because he made a completely off-hand remark about the evidence that Hilary destroyed and the classified information she mishandled. But nothing to see here!

        Trump now asks someone to look into Biden’s criminality? Well, now that’s gonna get you impeached. Again, the entire thing is phrased as if Trump went after a “political opponent” except that Biden isn’t even the DNC nominee and looks very unlikely to win it. But sure, it’s going after possible-potential-maybe political opponent, not you know, investigating a corrupt former official.

        At this rate, if he ever approaches Obama’s shit, they’ll just have his Secret Service guys drive him off a bridge.

    7. leon

      My question is how can we know it is not credible without an investigation?

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        If the Russia/Trump investigation was warranted, then justifying the Biden/Ukraine investigation should be a slam-dunk.

        1. Winston

          Is a Trump a TOP MAN? If yes then no investigation. If no then impeach and remove.

      2. Because the MSM/DNC told us so. This is it. There’s nothing more to it.

      3. Pope Jimbo

        Matt Welch said almost exactly this on the 5th Column podcast. “We don’t know if it is a fishing expedition, unless the do the investigation!”

      4. leon

        I’ve thought about it more and want to take this back. There are plenty of things that are not credible that don’t warrant an investigations.

    8. leon

      But reading through the comments.

      Damn. that place sucks.

    9. R C Dean

      Trump and his associates have accused Joe Biden of moving to depose a prosecutor in Ukraine to protect his son from a potential investigation related to his association with Burisma.

      Plausible, given the way the timing lines up. Biden’s kid was on the board when the new investigation was announced. He was appointed shortly after Slow Joe was given the Ukraine portfolio to manage. I have no doubt Burisma thought they were buying influence; there’s no other plausible explanation. And lo, things fell out exactly as if Burisma successfully bought influence. Maybe they just got lucky:

      Multiple international agencies sought the prosecutor’s removal on charges of corruption, and the former vice president maintains he was acting on President Obama’s foreign policy directive.

      Of course that can be true, and it can also be true that Biden wanted him fired for investigating his son’s new honeypot.

      The argument is that Biden/Obama’s bribery was in the Country’s and international community’s best interests, proven by the fact that the prosecutor they ousted was found to be a corrupt, unreliable, con man,

      Found to be, by who? Both an effective and an ineffective prosecutor charged with looking into political corruption are going to have people who want them fired. Even if this guy was a corruptocrat, the fact that he was investigating Burisma still puts Biden’s kid, or at least his income stream at risk.

      Biden not telling his kid to resign before he went after the prosecutor is evidence that Biden was trying to protect his kid’s little racket. The fact that State Dept. staffers who raised the conflict of interest were either ignored or told to shut up is another point in the “Biden is corrupt” file.

      1. JaimeRoberto Delecto

        Found to be by The Interagency. That’s apparently who has the constitutional authority to run foreign policy now.

    10. Social Justice is Neither

      Look international agencies said so. What more do you want? Now these may be the same agencies profiting off the corruption that is totally not credible, but there is no reason to look beyond the fact that our international betters said so.

  14. Last call for Thanksgiving recipes! Email to me ASAP: sp@ this here website.

    1. Pope Jimbo

      Minnesoda Green Bean Hotdish (Warning SPICY)
      2 cans of green beans
      1 can of cream of mushroom soup
      Bake for 1.5h @ 325
      Pour french fried onions on top and serve

      1. leon

        Email to me ASAP: sp@ this here website

        Guess the don’t teach that Computer Literacy in Minnesoda. 😉

        1. Pope Jimbo

          Could you print it out for me? And mail it to SP? I’ll pay you back for however many stamps it costs to email stuff.

          I’d do it myself, but my youngest kid left for college and now I don’t have anyone to do this tecky stuff for me.

        2. OneOut

          It was a joke Leon.

          And a good one

      2. Mad Scientist

        I love that green beans and mushroom soup are considered spicy in Minnesota. I guess we know where UCS buys his cookbooks now.

        1. jesse.in.mb

          The cream of mushroom has too much salt for UCS

      3. Hotdish

        You misspelled “casserole.”

        1. Fuck a duck.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            Only with consent!

        2. Pope Jimbo

          HEY! You cannot throw shade at hotdish using my trademark blockquote failure!!!!!

          BBQ

          You misspelled “KC delusion of grandeur”

          Doesn’t feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot does it.

      4. Chipwooder

        I thought you guys told me hotdish always has tater tots on top

    2. Bobarian LMD

      This is a delicious pie!

      I substitute in some dark chocolate and almonds for pecans, because “Not a fan”.

      But it is delicious.

  15. Pope Jimbo

    I would say “suck it!” with regards to this story about Minneapolis and St. Paul getting a perfect score on the LGBTQ equality index, but I feel that might be problematic.

    Tuesday’s report comes as the Minneapolis City Council considers a citywide ban on allowing minors to undergo “conversion therapy,” the disputed treatment intended to change people’s sexual orientation or sexual identity. The bill unanimously passed a council committee on Monday and will go before the full council on Friday. Minneapolis would be the first Minnesota city to pass such a ban after the Minnesota state Senate derailed a statewide ban in the 2019 legislative session.

    For a quick second I was worried about Mpls’ perfect score being in danger because I – stupidly – thought that conversion therapy meant no lopping off (or sewing on) genitalia onto kids who claim to be trans. Then I realized it was about those icky Christians and breathed a sigh of relief.

    1. Tundra

      Shithole status confirmed.

      *counts the days to departure*

      1. Enough About Palin

        Where you going?

        1. Tundra

          No clue. I want to try something different.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            California. I think you’d like Cali a lot.

          2. Tundra

            Good plan.

          3. Pope Jimbo

            That is (((OMWC))) and his child bride who stole my bike.

            Tundra breaks out in hives at the idea of any mode of transportation that doesn’t have some engine in it.

          4. Tundra

            Nah, sold it.

          5. Bobarian LMD

            That..

            That’s kinda hurtful.

            Are you that mad about him leaving?

          6. Tundra

            It’s ok. He’ll be going, too. I’m not leaving without the gang.

          7. leon

            Don’t you have his Bike?

          8. Pope Jimbo

            DOH!

            See my comment directly above this with regards to my Bike. Mojeaux threw me off my game with her scurrilous attack on hotdish.

          9. Tundra

            Dang. I did it too.

          10. Pope Jimbo

            Dang I did it too

            Well I think we’ve proven ourselves to be ready for CA. With our level of competence, we’ll probably be elected to the state senate within a year.

          11. Mojeaux threw me off my game with her scurrilous attack on hotdish.

            I am Her Royal Highness Queen The Worst.

            casserole

          12. Spudalicious

            I’ve heard your The Wurst. I didn’t know you were German.

          13. Mad Scientist

            Seconded!

  16. Enough About Palin

    “My oldest kid is sick, which is really not surprising given the other little plague vectors he interacts with on a daily basis. Still, he’s getting to that age where he can be put on a couch with a bucket, a big container of Gatorade, and the remote and whoever is nominally watching him can get things done. So that’s nice.”

    Why are you having him pour Gatorade in a bucket?

    1. Pope Jimbo

      So he has an empty bottle to piss in. Duh!

      1. Enough About Palin

        Gold, Jimbo! Gold!

        1. Pope Jimbo

          Thanks!

          Wait a second…… Were you being sarcastic?

  17. l0b0t

    How have i not seen this before? Masters Of The Gridiron – featuring Tiny Tim and the 1986 Cleveland Browns.

    1. Enough About Palin

      Do the hit Tiny in the head with his own helmet?

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Bit of NSFW warning needed, but would.

      1. Count Potato

        Sorry, how is that NSFW?

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Every one gets mad when he starts whacking it at work.

    2. Mad Scientist

      Please post more photos of Winston’s Mom.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Hah!

        1. Mad Scientist

          You may want to consult the “About the author” section of her disagreement with Krugman today.

    3. Gustave Lytton

      Looks like younger version of Winston’s mom.

    4. AlmightyJB

      Would

    5. Winston’s Mom

      Hey ASSHOLE! You were nOt given permission to post links of mY likeness without my express written conSent! You will hear from My lawyer!

      GET HIM SWISS!!!!

      1. Tundra

        They are quite fetching.

        1. Pope Jimbo

          fetching

          Are you calling her a dog?

    6. R C Dean

      Love the look. Very go-go ’60s.

  18. AlmightyJB

    Well she can’t take joke.

  19. AlmightyJB

    I think it’s time to take a shower, then go get trashed.

    1. B.P.

      Have your head on a swivel; someone out there is drugging people’s drinks.

    2. Rebel Scum

      Sounds about right for Team Blue Debate night.

    1. Winston

      Bill Blair will take our guns. And why not? Aren’t guns some out of date right, er…right?

    2. Rhywun

      Gender balance has been maintained

      Whew!

      there remains just one ministry focused on the environment and climate change

      Oh noes! ?

  20. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

    The usual suspects are already starting to refer to Trudeau as Shiny Marquis De Blackface. Heh.

    I suspect we’re witnessing the end game for Confederation.

    1. leon

      At least your confederation might let you guys leave….

      1. Winston

        They didn’t let Nova Scotia secede in 1868 though:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Confederation_Party

        Federally, in the 1867 federal election, the Anti-Confederate party won 18 of Nova Scotia’s 19 seats in the House of Commons of Canada. Howe won the federal seat in Hants County, Nova Scotia, while William D. Lawrence won the Hants County provincial seat. Britain, however, refused to allow Nova Scotia to secede.

        While many anti-confederationists threatened to secede and join the United States, Howe was a pragmatist and ultimately accepted Confederation as a fact. He was soon persuaded to join the Cabinet of Sir John A. Macdonald, leading to the movement’s collapse (1869).

        Nova Scotia is now prime Liberal and Canadian territory.

        1. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

          Nova Scotia is now prime Liberal and Canadian territory.

          Of course. The fact that it’s also prime FSA territory probably has nothing to do with it.  ;-)

          1. Winston

            FSA? Is that a reference to the dole?

          2. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

            Free Shit Army.

        2. leon

          While many anti-confederationists threatened to secede and join the United States

          Foiled again!

      2. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

        Highly unlikely. There’s a theoretical mechanism enunciated by the Supreme Court of Canada, but it’s onerous in the extreme.

    2. Winston

      I suspect we’re witnessing the end game for Confederation.

      Westerners and what army?

      1. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

        Oh, nothing so dramatic as that. I think Canada will collapse eventually due to staggering incompetence and malfeasance on behalf of our betters in the corridors of power in and around Ottawa.

        1. Florida Man

          I don’t know. How long has France been a country?

  21. If you want to be The Only Girl In The Room, you have to know, think, and act like the boys.

    1. Winston’s Mom

      Tell me about it.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Hold on a second sweetie. Being on the other side of the gloryhole does not count as being The Only Girl in The Room.

    2. Florida Man

      Why would you WANT to be the only girl in the room?

      1. So I had this big explanation all typed out and then I realized: I have no idea why.

      2. jesse.in.mb

        You know why…

        via GIPHY

        1. The sad fact of the matter is that The Only Girl In The Room is most likely not getting laid.

        2. Florida Man

          I just wanted to hear it out loud.

          1. Dudes are cooler and more interesting than most dudettes, present unicorns myths excepted. Happy now?

          2. jesse.in.mb

            One of my departments has ended up entirely women. We had to fire someone and everyone involved pulled me aside privately “Please, please, please hire a dude. I CANNOT work with this much estrogen in the air.” or something very similar.

          3. I hate working with women. I NEVER survived those office politics. Women can’t just leave you alone to do your own thing. And they can’t stand friendly women who have no interest in gossiping.

            You are either the enemy or a frenemy. Enemies get driven out. Frenemies get to stay so they can continue to be catty together.

          4. jesse.in.mb

            The number of high-drama people who have told me they’re not here to make friends, they’re just here to work while in the midst of drama that crosses personal and professional boundaries cracks me up. And it’s certainly not just the women that applies to, but in a completely homogeneous department it’s turned up to 11.

            Frenemies get to stay so they can continue to be catty together.

            A few years back a friend and I were at a hipster public pool for a friend’s birthday in a hipster hotel in Palm Springs. I’m trying to get her to talk shit about the douches there and she finally says “my husband and I agreed I won’t be negative during my pregnancy.” I call her husband over “What the fuck have you done to [friend’s name]!?” “Oh don’t worry, I’ve got you covered.” He grabbed me a beer and set to work being as good or better at being a catty bitch. It was great. My friend was fuming.

          5. Mad Scientist

            In my experience, the people who tell you they “hate drama” are almost always the ones creating as much of it as possible.

          6. Men are GINORMOUS gossips. The difference is in the deadpan, matter-of-fact delivery and the fact that it’s just “shootin’ the breeze.”

          7. jesse.in.mb

            I should make it clear that the douches were just other people hanging out at the pool, not people we knew. Silver glitter stick-on tattoos and slatted plastic sunglasses were everywhere. I have a picture of a pregnant woman with a red-solo cup in white platform strappy sandals and an American flag one-piece bathing suit playing ping-pong someplace. It was shooting fish in a barrel.

          8. Florida Man

            I’ve always preferred the company of women. Then again, I’m not a woman.

    3. Shirley Knott

      Yeah. Egotestical as Sir Pterry described it.

    4. salted earth

      Not sure if that is true. Doesn’t that assume men will not respect women unless they behave like men? And it assumes that all women are incapable of putting in the hard work and incapable of being emotionally strong. Hopefully, a room full of men would respect a woman for the individual strengths she brings and the work she puts into an endeavor. Or, I might be taking your comment too literally.

      1. Florida Man

        Or, I might be taking your comment too literally.-

        Tulpas are known to do that.

      2. Too literally. It’s a “just one of the guys” situation. Some girls (me) find power and privilege in that, which sort of validates the “male privilege” narrative, which I don’t mean or want to do.

        1. salted earth

          Thanks, I can understand that perspective.

      3. Not Adahn

        Fu… Fuck off Tulpa?

    1. leon

      Standing in the middle of a usually busy central London street during Extinction Rebellion’s protests, the air noticeably cleaner, the area quieter, I was struck by the enormity of the challenge ahead of us. We need to create a transport system that is zero carbon in only a few years.

      We? Need? two things that got nothin to do with what you’re talking about.

    2. Fatty Bolger

      So the utopia of the future is… 1930’s Shanghai?

      1. Chipwooder

        They didn’t have electric scooters – duh!

      2. leon

        Think about it. No Cars -> who needs Roads? with no roads -> Libertopia.

      3. Gustave Lytton

        1970’s Cambodia.

    3. Chipwooder

      Oh sweet baby Jesus…..

    4. Rhywun

      the air noticeably cleaner

      Bullshit.

      On the recommendation of the People’s Assembly, the Department for Transport was renamed the Department for People’s Mobility.

      LOLOL pull the other one

      1. leon

        People’s Assembly,

        If it were libertarian it would be the Persons Assembly.

      2. Rhywun

        School days have been shortened, allowing all schools and universities to undertake community-based climate action sessions.

        LOLOLOLOLOL!!

    5. Pope Jimbo

      That has to be a parody right?

      After the government capitulated to mass public unrest in 2020, citizen’s assemblies met to plan the future of the country. … On the recommendation of the People’s Assembly, the Department for Transport was renamed the Department for People’s Mobility. … An army of newly trained people’s mobility officers started to implement the people’s plan. … But the biggest change is to the reasons we move around. School days have been shortened, allowing all schools and universities to undertake community-based climate action sessions.

      Let me off please…

      1. Fatty Bolger

        I just looked at the pictures. Holy shit. That’s some scary stuff.

        1. Fatty Bolger

          Hmm, meaning I only looked at the pictures. Didn’t read the article.

    6. Tundra

      Nope.

      Next idea.

  22. leon

    That looks awful.

  23. Winston

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191011-what-happens-when-a-city-bans-car-from-its-streets

    Crawford’s argument is that cars significantly reduce social interaction. “The places that are most popular in cities are always the spaces with no cars,” he says. They may be parks, squares or pedestrianised areas. He says that in US cities like Houston and Dallas, as much as 70% of urban land is given over to parking. “Today’s housing crisis stems from a lack of land. Get rid of cars and the problem is solved immediately.”

    1. leon

      “The places that are most popular in cities are always the spaces with no cars,” he says. They may be parks, squares or pedestrianised areas”

      I can’t stop laughing. I mean i expected the middle of the road to be the more popular place for people to conduct their business.

    2. LJW

      “Today’s housing crisis stems from a lack of land. Get rid of cars and the problem is solved immediately.”

      Really? I always thought it was overbearing city codes that drive the cost of building new homes so high that it’s not worth it.

    3. Chipwooder

      Why the fuck do these people think I want to interact with anyone?

      SmithGill also helped design the Legacy Masterplan for Dubai’s 2020 World Fair. The area is intended to be entirely walkable and largely free of cars on completion.

      Ah yes, Dubai – just the city I’d want to spend a lot of time walking around outside.

      1. Social Justice is Neither

        Just let your hair flow in the wind, unless of course you are a woman then accept the patriarchy as good and kind??

    4. Pope Jimbo

      Phones, tablets and computers also significantly reduce social interaction. Let’s start by confiscating those first.

      1. Spudalicious

        No kidding. Given that you’re all Tulpae, I spend a lot of time talking to myself.

    5. B.P.

      “The places that are most popular in cities are always the spaces with no cars,”

      Gee. The inside of a concert hall or a ball field are more popular places to physically be present than a parking lot or the middle of a street?

      Thank God for expertise.

      1. R C Dean

        Not to mention, places given over to cars require a bigger footprint per car than places given over to pedestrians require per pedestrian.

    1. Pope Jimbo

      I’m not sure what the law is, but does the bastard kid automatically have Ukrainian citizenship?

      1. JaimeRoberto Delecto

        This one doesn’t have Ukrainian citizenship, but he probably has some kids over there from all the Ukrainians he fucked.

    2. Chafed

      More fodder for the intertubes.

      1. Drake

        If Biden was debating Trump tonight, you know Trump would congratulate him.

  24. DEG

    Pernod Ricard allegedly encouraged a major drinking culture with the sales staff, one of the employees told Le Parisien. “It’s the company’s culture: if you say no, you’re not very well regarded,” she said. The incessant drinking caused her to experience hallucinations and hear voices, she added.

    Other current and previous staff members have come forward to claim that they also became sick from the alcohol consumption. Workers say they were mainly drinking Richard Pastis — an anise flavored liquor that is typically mixed with water and served as an aperitif — sometimes as much as 12 glasses a day.

    Why does this smell like horseshit to me?

    Known formally as emergency preservation and resuscitation, or EPR, the procedure is being trialled on people who sustain such catastrophic injuries that they are in danger of bleeding to death and who suffer a heart attack shortly before they can be treated. The patients, who are often victims of stabbings or shootings, would normally have less than a 5% chance of survival.

    It’s a small step towards getting us to the stars.

    General Motors filed a federal racketeering lawsuit against Fiat Chrysler and its former executives on Wednesday, accusing the automaker of bribing United Auto Workers officials to receive more favorable terms in labor negotiations.

    Can they all lose?

    1. Creosote Achilles

      I worked for a beer company. If you don’t see being able to drink all day for work as one of the perks of the job of being in sales for an alcohol beverage maker, find another fucking job. I also think the hallucinations and voices is more her description of watching Dumbo than anything real.

      1. Not Adahn

        Unless she’s getting the real absinthe.

        1. If I could stand the taste of licorice, I would totally try ansinthe just for the cool bad-ass factor.

          1. absinthe*

            I’m going back to bed.

          2. DEG

            Despite not liking licorice, I tried it. I tried it both straight and with water/sugar. I thought it tasted better straight. I wasn’t impressed either way and never had it again.

          3. Tundra

            I had it. It was gross. And I drink Grappa!

      2. DEG

        The tour guide at Dogfish Head had been drinking all day, and was drinking during the tour.

        My “horseshit” comment was more about the hallucinations, voices in her head.

        1. Creosote Achilles

          Yeah. That’s what I meant. I was agreeing with you and assumed you were referring to that part.

          1. DEG

            Ah, got it.

    2. leon

      “General Motors filed a federal racketeering lawsuit against Fiat Chrysler ”

      I thought racketeering was a crime. How does a private entity file that law suit?

  25. DEG

    I expect this will go nowhere

    A Gilmanton man has filed suit against the town claiming he should not be forced to pay the school portion of his municipal tax bill because he has no children enrolled.

    Joseph S. Haas Jr., of 67 Mountain Road, filed a complaint in Belknap County Superior Court, seeking $12,952 from the town claiming that on Halloween 2018 he gave the town’s tax collector notice “that there is no child nor children attending the local government’s schools,” asserting that the tax bill was an invoice for goods or services received.

  26. Chafed

    I don’t know when this will turn ugly but it will. Maybe it leads to violence, maybe self harm, or maybe emotional damage. Whatever it will be, it isn’t unforeseeable.

    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/11/20/my-privacys-being-invaded-young-woman-fights-back-tears-after-school-board-decides-that-male-students-identifying-as-female-must-be-allowed-in-girls-locker-rooms-video/

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      A lot of people are in desperate need of an ass kicking

      1. Certified Public Asshat

        With or without clothes on?

    2. Rhywun

      Sorry, girls, that’s progress.

      1. Spudalicious

        Feminism is so ’70s. It’s a tranny’s world now.

        1. JaimeRoberto Delecto

          This is a trans world,
          but it don’t mean nothin’
          without turnin’ boys into girls.

    3. leon

      She’s such a hateful bigot

    4. Florida Man

      Shrug*

      People lost the moral high ground when they allowed government to force kids to go to school. Now they can force your kid to do anything else they want.

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder

        Those people are mostly all dead

        1. Florida Man

          Parents are mostly dead? I can buy that.

      2. Winston

        Public school system has been around for a while.

        1. Florida Man

          And yet people always vote to increase funding for public school in the hopes that someone else will pay the bill for raising their children.

  27. Winston

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.cp24.com/news/2019/11/18/1_4691018.html

    The Crown said in court that it was not in the best interest of the public to prosecute them.

    Very useful idiots then…

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s one way to encourage vigilantes.

      1. Rhywun

        I’m surprised they didn’t give them all medals.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Nah, I don’t think there’s anyone left on Airshit One with their own balls attached. Oh, you mean climate change vigilantes? Yeah, that will be next. Because Mother Gaia demands blood sacrifice.

        1. Winston

          This Canada, close enough I guess.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Good enough for commonwealth work.

  28. Winston

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-brutish-origins-of-british-liberalism/amp/

    the question of how it was that the proto-liberalism we associate with the Glorious Revolution of 1688 — (relative) liberty, rights, equality, accountability, toleration, constitutionalism — could possibly have come from the less than glorious revolution inaugurated by Martin Luther in 1517, with its intolerance, sectarianism, political absolutism, biblical ‘fundamentalism’ and decades of grotesque violence.

    I could also point the religious bigotry of those proto-liberals and how they used paranoid conspiracy theories and fake news when it was useful to them: the Popish Plot, Irish Night, Warming pan baby, etc.

    a reformed society is one always examining and reorganising itself, asking questions of its structures and ambitions in a way that is central to any genuinely liberal polity.

    Always wonder how a “everything evolves and changes yet certain 17th-18th century ideas will remain unchanged” is supposed to work.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      The Glorious Revolution wasn’t about rights, equality, or liberty. It was about overthrowing the legitimate king who had the wrong religion in favor of a foreigner who worshipped the right way.

      1. Raven Nation

        True, but he also was a fan of French absolutism and had exhibited more than a passing interest in moving Britain a little closer to that model.

    2. robc

      Christian ‘fundamentalism’ dates to the publication of The Fundamentals about 1890 or so.

      1. robc

        More like 1910.

        1. Shirley Knott

          The Catharsis would like a word.

      2. Shirley Knott

        The Cathars would like a word.

        1. robc

          The Cathars are not only not Fundamentalist Christians, they arent Christians.

          I dont agree with the Catholic Church on a lot, but they got the latter right.

  29. leon

    How is it that everyone is so sure of themselves? We see persons being retarded everywhere around us and we never stop to think that we might be just like them.

    1. Tundra

      Nah, that’s retarded.

      And completely out of left field.

    2. Yusef drives a Kia

      I’m not an R tard…,…
      / Randy Marsh

      1. Tundra

        I’m sure many people think I’m retarded. I just have no extra fucks to give.

        1. TARDIS

          You’re a boomer wannabe. (I keed) My field is also barren.

    3. Creosote Achilles

      Don’t worry, scro. Plenty of tards are out there living kick ass lives. My first wife was tarded. She’s a pilot now. – Dr. Lexus

    4. R C Dean

      How is it that everyone is so sure of themselves?

      I always try to keep in mind that somebody is wrong, and it could be me.

      Occasionally, it has been. Occasionally.

      What seems different these days is that the Venn diagram of shared worldviews is pulling apart. It used to be, I think, that people largely shared a common narrative/outlook/whatever, and disagreed more on details. But now its like everybody is watching a different movie. Some people are watching the one where the Trump administration is a criminal conspiracy (with foreigners, even) and he has managed to obstruct justice so bad he gets away with everything. Which, actually, is pretty much my view of the Obama administration. I’m watching a movie where there is a criminal conspiracy in the government, alright, but its the slo-mo Deep State coup attempts. There is very little possible overlap in these movies. One of us is very, very wrong.

      It could be me, but I doubt it.

    5. JaimeRoberto Delecto

      Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half the people are even dumber than that.

      As for me, I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

      1. Urthona

        Average says nothing about distribution. 90% of people could be dumber than average.

        1. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

          Could be, but probably aren’t. Large populations tend to be excellent examples of normal distributions on all kinds of measurements, including intelligence.

          1. Urthona

            I heard that for men the distribution of academic inclination is wider because they evolved to handle a larger range of jobs.

          2. JaimeRoberto Delecto

            A wider distribution can still be a normal distribution.

          3. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

            Yep. The length of the tails has nothing to do with whether the distribution is “normal.”

          4. Urthona

            it was not an attempted refutation of your normal distribution idea.

  30. B.P.

    An actual AP news story that’s supposed to be straight news in the “Nation-World” section:

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/nation-world/fox-hosts-bash-hearings-their-network-spends-hours-showing/73-f90afdb4-d946-4e39-b9fd-554cc1a2b547

    “Fox’s wall-to-wall coverage of the House’s impeachment hearings against President Donald Trump is bumping up against its opinion hosts’ attempt to minimize the proceedings.”

    1. Rhywun

      The AP has been a joke of partisan hackery for a few years now.

    1. Tundra

      Comments are turned off

      I’m not.

  31. Winston

    https://www.aier.org/article/the-courage-to-be-utopian/

    why as true radical liberals we must be willing to question all existing political and social values, and submit them to critical evaluation, but also why epistemologically we cannot do so while assuming any “Archimedean point” from which to commence our evaluation.

    We must always question within specific contexts, and criticize on the margin while holding other values as given at that moment if we are to avoid serious errors in our reasoning about society. Root-and-branch constructivism is merely an illusion of the revolutionary, and a dangerous illusion at that. But that doesn’t mean we are trapped in the status quo either.

    We must “question all political and social values” yet hold “other values as given”?

    1. R C Dean

      Query – if you are questioning all existing political and social values, exactly what values are you holding as a given at that moment? Pardon the jargon, but aren’t values “social constructs” and thus all values are at some level social values?

      1. Winston

        Yeah, this is the key flaw in classical liberalism I would imagine. They pretty much invented “It’s Current Year!” which worked well for them until about 1900 when the socialists and progressives turned it against them with devastating effect.

        Not to mention that the New or Social Liberals used this “evolution” to justify their turn to welfare statism.

        Never gotten a very good answer to this though. Either liberals reject this concept and turn into…conservatives and reactionaries. Or they keep the concept but can’t carry through the inherent contradictions so they end with either claiming that the Forces of History are on their side or mindlessly defend whatever the current status quo which results in either majoritarianism or worship of TOP MEN.

      2. Winston

        Or in other words if we should challenge everything doesn’t that mean we should challenge laissez-faire economics, individualism, free speech, freedom of association, freedom of movement and the like? After all aren’t guns and free speech out of date in our modern world?

        1. robc

          I can’t keep the liberals straight in your posts here.

          Are liberals and classic liberals the same or different people?

          1. robc

            Also, your Mom writes more coherently.

          2. Winston

            Classical liberals. I should point out that AIER is a hotbed of “we are the true liberals” which confuses things

    2. Rhywun

      as true radical liberals we must be willing to question all existing political and social values

      No. Take your radicalism and shove it up your ass – nobody wants that shit.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      WHARRRRRGARBLEARGLEBLARGLEEEERRRR

  32. Yusef drives a Kia

    Star Spangled banner,
    https://youtu.be/XDSZxUlGZnA
    Meatloaf, awesome

    1. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

      How you doin’, Yusef?

      1. Yusef drives a Kia

        Cold, but out of the weather, got some hot food cooking and some Cobras, and a tiny space heater for Wendy, 250 watts 12$

        1. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

          Jay-zus. Anything we can do? (That includes send you cash via, say, e-transfer, BTW.)

          1. Yusef drives a Kia

            I may have a position opening with my old company, but for now you can use this,
            https://www.paypal.me/yusefthehomeless
            I may get a GoFundMe started to make the big move

          2. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

            Done. Lemme know when you get it.

          3. We’re not saying BEAM’s an alien, but . . .

            Plus, they actually make space heaters that small? Weird.

    2. Tundra

      Fantastic. Thanks, Yusef!

    3. Rhywun

      I love Meat Loaf. Meatloaf, too.

  33. Not Adahn

    robc on November 20, 2019 at 6:34 pm
    Also, your Mom writes more coherently.

    One odd characteristic of Glibs seems to be a remarkably thick skin. The only person I can remember that didn’t roll with their “assigned” joke was… well, actually I can only think of a guy who didn’t make it onto the Ark.

    1. John? Eddie?

      1. Not Adahn

        Eddie was fine with the papery bashing, John didn’t have a particular meme assigned to him.

        What did them in was their overall meanness.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          John had fat jokes.

          Which got prickly about at times

    2. Fuck off, Tulpa.